View Full Version : My mid-length is done!
This isn't really a new build, it's more of a re-configuration. The basic gun is the same but I switched out the LaRue BUIS for a Troy, ditched the vertical grip, moved the 6P over from another carbine and installed a Vickers sling.
Here are the complete specs:
- PWA 'Commando' lower receiver
- CMT/Stag Lower Parks Kit
- Tango Down grip
- Magpul trigger guard
- VLTOR buttstock with H buffer
- CMT upper receiver
- Sabre Defence 1:7 twist mid-length barrel
- LaRue 9.0
- CMT M16 BCG with MP'd bolt and Wolff Extra Power extractor spring
- PRI Gas Buster charging handle
- LaRue EoTech Riser mount
- EoTech 552 Rev F
- SureFire 6P
- VLTOR SureFire mount (Classic)
- MI #6 Sling Mount
- Blue Force Vickers 2-Point Sling
- Tango Down panels
- Magpul rail ladders
Here's a few gun porn pictures with a couple of M&P9s thrown in 'just because'. One's mine and one is Dingers.
http://members.cox.net/mwinder3/images/middy3.JPG
http://members.cox.net/mwinder3/images/middy2.JPG
http://members.cox.net/mwinder3/images/middy1.JPG
Nice looking build. What are those two "things" next to it.:D
Very nice looking rifle. But I'm with Dport...what are those two things next it? They sort of detract from what would otherwise be an superb visual experience. :p
Very nice, M4arc. Not too different from how my next build may end up. (I gotta get some lowers.)
How do you activate your light, with the knuckle of your left hand index finger?
Very nice, M4arc. Not too different from how my next build may end up. (I gotta get some lowers.)
How do you activate your light, with the knuckle of your left hand index finger?
Yep, that's it.
As for those two American made beauties in the picture, get used to it, the M&P is here to stay :p
Beautiful blaster Marc. I have a foliage green mid-length that just went through a reconfiguration:
http://www.coloradoshooting.org/usmc03%20new%20fg1s.jpg
-Removed the light and the vertical foregrip and replaced them with tango down pannels
-Replaced the LaRue with a Troy BUIS
-Replaced the Aimpoint with a TA11 ACOG on a LaRue mount.
Looks like this gun, but with a Vltor stock and in Foliage Green:
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/PRM-2006.11/?small=D100_5410_img.jpg
Beautiful blaster Marc. I have a foliage green mid-length that just went through a reconfiguration:
http://www.coloradoshooting.org/usmc03%20new%20fg1s.jpg
-Removed the light and the vertical foregrip and replaced them with tango down pannels
-Replaced the LaRue with a Troy BUIS
-Replaced the Aimpoint with a TA11 ACOG on a LaRue mount.
Looks like this gun, but with a Vltor stock and in Foliage Green:
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/PRM-2006.11/?small=D100_5410_img.jpg
Some of your changes were the catalyst for some of my changes. The switching to the Troy BUIS, and the way you mount the Vickers Sling through the VLTOR for instance. Based on LAV's advice I ditched the vert grip. I love the way the mid-length balances now!
However I did want a light on mine because this will be my primary carbine.
Nicely done. Looks very similar to mine.
Very nice. Have you got a chance to shoot her yet. Also how do you like the M&P pistols. I haven't gotten a chance to try one out. Wondering on out their out of the box accuracy and overall ergonomics.
Nice remodel job. :cool:
Nothing is ever done, I thought my middy build was done Dec. '05 but last fall I replaced my BUIS with Troy FDE and sling with Blue Force Gear IDF style with QR sling swivels. :p
Mine is similar to yours except mine is with tan furniture, Denny's Guns Operator Rock Creek medium contour barrel, TD VFG, MIAD grip, Aimpoint and Surefire M961C.
Robb Jensen
01-06-07, 18:42
Looks good man. I like the Forest Green as well. Here's my 10.3" LMT SBR in Forest Green.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v408/gotm4/gunpics/10.jpg
-Removed the vertical foregrip
Can someone answer me as to why the VFG's are being removed?
Mace
Can someone answer me as to why the VFG's are being removed?
Mace
I don't know why anyone else is doing it...... but here is my reply to the same question from another board a couple months ago:
Did you dump your Vertical Fore Grip for the shoot (match) or altogether now Jeff?
Xxxxx,
After much trial and error, I have come to the following conclusion: -Guns that I do a lot of CQB work with I prefer the vertical foregrip. The vertical foregrip helps me "drive" the gun on closer targets, is more ergonomical for accessing a weapon mounted light, gives more power on muzzle strikes and weapon retention, etc.
On guns that I do a lot of *long range shooting* with, I prefer NO vertical foregrip, because I can steady the gun much better on longer shots without the vertical foregrip. The lack of a vertical foregrip also helps me drive and stop the gun better when transitioning from one target to another at longer distances, and has an advantage on barricades, etc. The rifle match has 75%+ of the targets placed from 100 yards - 425 yards.
Something that I noticed when using a vertical foregrip and long range targets....when I would transition from one target to another, I would always pass the target I was transitioning to and have to come back to it (ie. I would "over shoot" or by pass the target).
I don't know why, but on close targets I can drive the gun and stop on a dime at close distances....but at long range targets, I would always pass the target and have to come back to it.
Without a vertical foregrip, I can stop on a dime when transitioning from one target to another at longer distances. Without a vertical foregrip, I wrap my hand round the forend and point my index finger in the same direction as the muzzle (index finger is pointing forward along the 9 o'clock rail) Example: demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/PRM-2006.11/?small=D100_5707_img.jpg (http://demigod.org/%7Ezak/DigiCam/PRM-2006.11/?small=D100_5707_img.jpg)
On my guns that have ACOG's, Leupold MR/T M2's, (guns set up for medium to long range shooting) I have removed the vertical foregrips and run just the LaRue handguard and Tango Down pannels.
On my guns with Aimpoints / Short Dots (work guns or guns set up for close to medium range shooting), I still run the vertical foregrips.
Distance = time. Time affords you the ability to get into more stable positions (ie. sitting, prone, braced kneeling, the use of barricades, etc, etc.) In these position a vertical foregrip has no advantage, and can often get in the way. When most of your shots are closer and you are in the standing position or on the move, this is the area where the vertical foregrip shines. I guess it's all about selecting the right tool for the job. Just my opinion based on my personal experiences, as with all things, your milage may vary. [;)]
Semper Fi,
Jeff
Can someone answer me as to why the VFG's are being removed?
Mace
Because Larry Vickers does, and if he does it, why shouldn't you?
I've never been a big fan of vertical foregrips. Just never felt right to me. Didnt feel bad mind you, just not right.
Looks good Bub! Nice and clean, pure business. I prefer the ladder panels on mine.
Looks grat and I'm sure it shoots great too! Welcome to the Sabre Mid-Length Club!;)
I've never been a big fan of vertical foregrips. Just never felt right to me. Didnt feel bad mind you, just not right.
I'm not either. So far it's been a decision between a magwell hold and something on the handguards.
Can someone answer me as to why the VFG's are being removed?
Mace
I think it's for no other reason than the user decided that he simply doesn't feel the need for it or likes the plain forend better.
Nice, I like your build.
Might as well add mine...KG'd OD VIS-1
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p309/MOD6/ODVIS1.jpg
Parts:
VIS-1
Colt USGI BCG w/ Mods
Noveske 7.5
Troy iron
Vltor low g-block. LMT tube
Jeff's VFG
KX3
PRI g-buster
PS - I like your sling ;)
To back-up what USMC03 said...
When I am engaging a small number of targets many times at close range, a VFG provides more control = faster follow-up shots.
When I am engaging a larger number of targets with fewer shots each, grasping the far end of a long fore-end is faster.
Put another way, when the situation is dominated by target transitions & acquisition, grasping the tube is faster. When the situation is dominated by re-engaging the same targets 3+ times, the VFG is faster.
ETA: "For me"
militarymoron
01-16-07, 17:42
nice build, M4arc. we've got similar taste in furniture :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/militarymoron/vis24.jpg
nice build, M4arc. we've got similar taste in furniture :)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v483/militarymoron/vis24.jpg
That is SWEET!
My next build is VERY close to what you have there but I think I'll use a POF billet lower. Other than that you're is pretty much what I had in mind.
I've been in this club for awhile too I guess...
http://cwhorley.zoto.com/img/800x600x1/d410c4d027a8b408dbb90b92f5169591-.jpg
Seth Harness
02-01-07, 20:46
My understanding of a vfg is to control full auto fire in quick close engagment.
I use it for manipulating my x200 light cap with my thumb. thats my reason until I obtain class III status.
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