View Full Version : Got my Class III SP1
CarlosDJackal
05-13-09, 17:12
After months of waiting, I finally got to shoot my Transferable Converted Full-Auto SP1. I attached my LWRC 10.5-inch upper on it and did my NFA Committee approval run today. My club allows the use of Class 3 firearms at certain ranges but only after members of the NFA Committee run you through the checklist.
Basically, they are making sure that you have all the NFA-associated paperwork and that you at least know how to manipulate your firearm. They also check to make sure that you can handle said firearm on full-auto by first having you fire a 3 to 5-round burst. If you are able to keep the first burst into the berm (at about 10-yards) they then have you shoot a full magazine's worth. If you do not place a round outside the berm then you are now approved to shoot your NFA item at the club.
So now, I am trying to figure out if I should keep this gun "original" (I already installed and ambi safety lever and a KNS "captured" Sear pin). I was thinking of "dressing" it up either into a Vietnam-era XM-177/CAR-15 'Commando' or into a more modern M-4A1 variant. NOTE: It is already in carbine configuration.
If I choose the Vietnam-era XM-177 'Commando' I cannot use this rifle in Carbine classes (like I would like to). But at the same time, if I go the modern M-4A1 direction, I will shoot the crap out of it and probably paint it (I already have a Ceiner M-16 .22LR Conversion kit and about a dozen Black Dog 15-round magazines).
My original purpose for buying this rifle was as an investment. But now that I've played with it, I'm starting to think otherwise. :D
What do you guys think?
30 cal slut
05-13-09, 17:28
nice purchase, carlos.
what did it set you back? transferable M16 receivers are running north of $15K in my neck of the woods.
as far as the receiver goes, shoot the f*ck out of it (if you can afford to feed it).
i'm not terribly big on firing RIFLES on full-auto, although I have some subguns to keep things interesting.
for me, the utility in having the full-auto lower is basically being able to put whatever length upper you want on it, and for shits and giggles (collector value).
Mo_Zam_Beek
05-13-09, 17:46
Put it in the configuration that is most practical for you to use in the exceptionally unlikely event that you ever need it. Pray that you won't. Shoot the piss out of it and SMILE everytime you look at it.
Good luck
Carlos,
You shoot at Metacon in CT?
CarlosDJackal
05-13-09, 18:18
Carlos,
You shoot at Metacon in CT?
Negative. I live in Central VA.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-13-09, 19:36
Shoot the hell out of it. I picked up a NIB M16A1 carbine last year and I dropped a 416 upper on it and have been blasting as much as my ammo supply allows. But then again, I am not a collector/conservationist by nature--I like to shoot my toys.
The Dumb Gun Collector
05-13-09, 19:38
Plus, it will always be worth a lot of money. There is ZERO chance that the NFA will be repealed and no real chance of the 86 ban being repealaed. Just put the upper and furniture in storage (that is what I did). So, theoretically I can just repark the lower later if I need to "restore it" which I wont.
Black Creek range?
<---- Richmond area
RetreatHell
05-13-09, 20:31
Well I for one would keep it and shoot the shit out of it as much as funds would allow me to.
As for how to dress it up, I would go the modern route just because you said you'd like to use it for carbine classes. I personally think it would be more fun making it into a modern-day, high-speed M4 as opposed to a plain-jane (yawn) Vietnam-era "commando." (Unless of course if it will primarily be just more of a "collector's item" and not be fired all that often, which, lets face it, probably will NOT be the case now that you've had some full-auto trigger time with her.)
I cannot afford a F/A lower as of right now in my life, so..... SHOOT IT FOR ME, MAN!!!:D Buy yourself a couple Beta C mags and let loose some hell on some paper baddies with extreme prejudice:D
CarlosDJackal
05-13-09, 20:38
Black Creek range?
<---- Richmond area
Actually, Charlottesville.
I do plan on doing a 100-round burst sometime. I'll try to video it and post it here. :D
Robb Jensen
05-13-09, 20:40
I didn't see the selection in the poll that says to Will it to me....I'll keep it warm when you're gone! :p
I voted M4-A1, only cause there wasn't a choice for you to let ME shoot the hell out of it!
-RD62
Oh yeah...
Where are the pictures man! I mean really!
-RD62
I don't care as long as I get to shoot it:rolleyes:
Actually, Charlottesville.
I do plan on doing a 100-round burst sometime. I'll try to video it and post it here. :D
I hear that's a fantastic range, I wish it were closer!
billybronco
05-13-09, 21:38
Dayyyyum dude.
I'm 50 miles down the road from you in Richmond.
I'd soil my britches just to watch that show.
Carlos,
I'd add new poll options:
_ Acquire S&W 5.45 upper and cut it to 12.5"
_ Acquire dedicated .22LR 10" upper and suppressor
Unless you reload and have unparalleled access to powder and primers, the 5.56 ammo bill will be pretty stout!
CarlosDJackal
05-14-09, 15:14
Carlos,
I'd add new poll options:
_ Acquire S&W 5.45 upper and cut it to 12.5"
_ Acquire dedicated .22LR 10" upper and suppressor
Unless you reload and have unparalleled access to powder and primers, the 5.56 ammo bill will be pretty stout!
I already have an M-16 (as in F/A) compatible Ceiner conversion kit with about a dozen BD mags (and about 6,000-rounds of Federal .22 ammo :D). I am looking to order an M4 upper (14.5-inch) for use primarily as a dedicated .22LR upper in conjunction with the kit. I don't want a .22LR upper because I would like to retain its utility as a 5.56/.223 shooter as well.
I am looking for an S&W 5.45x39 upper as well. But that's low on my priority list.
Convert it to .50 Beowolf!
RetreatHell
05-14-09, 15:44
Convert it to .50 Beowolf!
A Full Auto .50 Beowolf? That would definitely be interesting, to say the least.
A Full Auto .50 Beowolf? That would definitely be interesting, to say the least.
they have a video of one on YouTube somewhere.
Plus, it will always be worth a lot of money. There is ZERO chance that the NFA will be repealed and no real chance of the 86 ban being repealaed. Just put the upper and furniture in storage (that is what I did). So, theoretically I can just repark the lower later if I need to "restore it" which I wont.
I agree. It's worth a lot because it's a transferable machinegun receiver, not because it's some particular variant of M16. Don't do anything that might screw up the receiver, but otherwise set it up however you want and run it.
The only case where I'd even consider leaving it alone is if it were a true classic Colt with 100% original parts and in near new condition, but I'd never spend $15K on a safe queen in the first place.
CarlosDJackal
05-15-09, 13:35
I didn't see the selection in the poll that says to Will it to me....I'll keep it warm when you're gone! :p
LOL. There's a very long line of "friends" who keep asking me to add them onto my Trust.
Ran 26-rounds of S&B, 40-rounds of Wolf, and over a hundred rounds of .22LR through it with my LWRC 10.5-inch upper on it yesterday. Not a single issue.
I never thought it could be this much fun shooting .22LR on full auto!! The sucker sounds almost like a minigun. The only down side it is doesn't take much to burn through the 25-rounds my BD mags hold. I need to either find a speed loader or a 100-round .22LR drum that works. :D
RetreatHell
05-15-09, 17:57
...and over a hundred rounds of .22LR through it with my LWRC 10.5-inch upper on it yesterday. Not a single issue.
I didn't know you could use a .22LR conversion bolt on gas piston uppers. Is it a special kind/brand of .22 conversion kit? Or does the CMMG (which is the one I have) work on gas piston uppers? I have an LWRC too, is why I ask.
rrpederson
05-15-09, 21:30
shoot the hell out of it. if it breaks repair it. for the love of god, have a great time with it. it was money that u had to sweat to earn, so enjoy it.
Firstly, congratulations! In my opinion the M16 is absolutely the most versatile transferable fullauto one can have.....relatively inexpensive parts (especially compared to HK items) and the ability to fully perform all armorer support on your own rifle. You must be ecstatic.
Now onto semantics. It is not a "class-3" firearm. Class-3 refers to a type of FFL who deals in NFA items. It is a title-2 firearm. Sorry to pee in your Wheaties; it is just a pet peeve of mine when people say "class-3" firearm/weapon/etc as it is wholly inproper terminology.....analogous to referring to a magazine as a "clip" in my opinion.
As for what configuration and the affect on its value, given that your rifle is not a factory machinegun, you are not going to hurt the value by changing configurations. So swap it around to your heart's content. I would probably not paint it just due to the fact that I really like the Colt gray anodizing, but this is truly a personal preference. Your converted SP1 will retain all of its value and continue to go up in price regardless of how you configure it. My vote is that you configure it however you most want to shoot it.
CarlosDJackal
05-16-09, 00:09
I didn't know you could use a .22LR conversion bolt on gas piston uppers. Is it a special kind/brand of .22 conversion kit? Or does the CMMG (which is the one I have) work on gas piston uppers? I have an LWRC too, is why I ask.
It's the run of the mill Ceiner .22LR Conversion kit with FA capability. Incidentally, Ceiner makes CMMG's kits for them as well so there really isn't any difference otehr than the mark on te box.
I went through another 100+ rounds of .22 and 20 rounds of Wolf today, this time using my LMT 10.5-inch upper with my YHM SS Phantom attached. I didn't need my hearing protection and had absolutely no malfunction.
I think I'm gonna buy a dedicated upper for use with the .22 kit. :D
M4A-1, but do not paint it. If you ever need or decide to sell, the paint will kill the value by a bunch.
CarlosDJackal
05-18-09, 17:37
Shooting .223 ammo (http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/CarlosDJackal/?action=view¤t=FAShoot01.flv).
First mag was 26-rounds of S&B and the second mag was 20-rounds of Wolf Polymer. The upper is my LWRC 10.5. Notice how much recoil it produces.
I was shooting at this IDPA practice target at about 10-yards. The 26-round burst was aimed at the UCOM and the 20-round burst was aimed at the head (I forgot to adjust for offset both times):
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/CarlosDJackal/FATarget01.jpg
.22LR on Full-Auto (http://s176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/CarlosDJackal/?action=view¤t=22_FA.flv) :D
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