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get_the_roof
05-25-09, 19:30
I know there's a few cops here, and no disrespect is intended for posting this. Maybe it'll make you think though. Firefighters know best how to protect firefighters.

I feel very strongly about this one, especially after I saw the video! This bully-cop got off easy for what he did. Perhaps some of our MO area folks could give us some more information and input...

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MO. FIRE CAPT WINS AFTER "APPARATUS BLOCKING" ON-SCENE ARREST: Federal court jurors awarded $17,500 yesterday to a Fire Captain arrested by a Hazelwood cop in a dispute over where the fire apparatus was parked during a 2003 car crash rescue. Juror Betsy Vennemann said after the verdict, "We wanted to make a statement that this kind of behavior will not be tolerated."

Capt. David Wilson won $7,500 in compensatory damages and $10,000 in punitive damages. Jurors, including a nun, said they went easy on the defendant, Officer Todd Greeves, because he has a family and they weren't sure who would pay the costs. Fire Captain Wilson testified that the Robertson FPD apparatus was parked in a way to protect rescuers working to free a victim from wreckage along I-270. Greeves ordered that the truck be moved to accommodate passing traffic and arrested Wilson for ignoring him. Wilson was released after 23 minutes and never charged. He sued, claiming civil rights violations that opened him to anxiety and humiliation. Greeves told the court the truck was creating a hazard and not adding to safety at the scene. Jurors interviewed after the verdict said their feeling about Greeves was reinforced during the punitive phase of the trial, when they heard there had been other complaints about him. An internal affairs investigation determined that Greeves used excessive force in a 2002 arrest, court documents show, and was the subject of several other complaints. Before Wednesday's deliberations, U.S. Magistrate Judge Mary Ann Medler had already ruled that Greeves had no probable cause to arrest Fire Captain Wilson, who she said had state law on his side. She also dismissed the City of Hazelwood as a defendant. "The whole police and fire communities have been watching this case," said Bevis Schock, one of Wilson's lawyers. "Everybody wanted to know who controls the fire scene."
Greeves' lawyer, Peter Dunne, said he was disappointed in the verdict and the discussion of the other complaints against Greeves. Dunne also said it was unfair to suggest that Greeves did not care about the firefighters' safety. Dunne said that the city's insurance would not pay for the costs and that the issue is "complicated." Schock said he thinks the insurance probably would pay the compensatory damages, and possibly the punitive. Also at issue is payment of unspecified lawyers' fees.

Another lesson for fire & cops to get together before the next run...and figure out the laws and rules-and develop the plans... so everyone knows who will do what when operating on the roadways.

http://www.kmov.com/video/topvideo-index.html?nvid=217818&she=1

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parishioner
05-25-09, 19:38
The cop apparently didnt know the law.

JSandi
05-25-09, 20:03
As a cop all I can say is, wow...
:eek:

the1911fan
05-25-09, 20:30
From what I saw the break down lane and the right lane only had Crown Vics blocking which offer very little protection for anyone on the scene condsidering they catch fire when hit in the rear at high speeds. The right center lane was protected by the engine, you could park at an angle and the rig would cover both the right lane and right center lane.

Can I call the engine up every time I make a highway stop? cause it's really scary :rolleyes:

Decon
05-25-09, 20:41
I'm tired of this type of bullshit. Yeah, its fun to have some laughs at each others expense, but I got no love for any LEO or FF that takes it beyond that. And for what it's worth, I don't care if the law said I was in charge of the scene. If a FF asks for something to do their job, I'd do it.