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I know there is already a thread in the General Discussion area, but I wanted to do a seperate fresh one here.
First, I want to thank Rich, Drake, and all the guys at Magpul. They put up with my nagging questions, fondling the Masada, UBR, and Pmags, and were their usual great selves. They make some outstanding products and have the customer service to back it up. On to the Masada.
I have been shooting AR's since I was like 6 yrs old or so. There has never really been a rifle/carbine come out that has ever pulled my attention from the AR platform, until now. The Masada wont replace my AR's, but I see it as a must have addition to the tool box, that could see significant range time on place of some of my current AR range time.
I have read numerous posts around the net now about the Masada. Most of it is pathetic BS. If you dont like it or arent interested, then fine. Just be advised that not everyone feels that way. Its not an AR. Get over it. In my own opinion, Rich likes the AR, or he wouldnt make all the items for it that he does. The Masada is just something different.
It has a polymer forearm, lower, and stock, that is made from the same material as the new Pmags. Its a VERY strong material. The upper is aluminum, with steel rails inside it, and a full length picatinny rail on top with a built in flip up front sight. This allows the user to pic his own favorite flip up rear sight. The lower uses a AR15 hammer and trigger group in a metal "tub". The barrel is easily removed and installed, with what amounts to basically its own built in barrel wrench. Rich has two different forearms for it, one with removable rails, and one with built in rails. Ambidextrous mag catch, bolt catch, and safety.
The forearm comes off with a simple push pin removal. Two more push pins seperate the upper and lower halves. One more allows for the stock assembly to be removed.
Rich had two stocks for it, a collapsable folder and a PRS type one. The collapsable folder is awesome. It allows for a consistent cheek weld with the ability to adust the stock length as needed, and still be able to fold it for easier storage if need be.
Here are some pics going through a disassembly.
Push in the handguard pin and slide off the handguard.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0025.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0026.jpg
Pull down the "barrel wrench", push in the retaining tab, rotate, and remove the barrel after slightly retracting the bolt.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0027.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0028.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0029.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0030.jpg
Barrel showing the attached piston setup.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0031.jpg
Push the rear takedown pin and break in half like an AR.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0032.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0033.jpg
The bolt, carrier, and recoil spring assembly can be removed. A note here...there are steel rails inside the aluminum upper that the carrier rides on. The movement of the carrier on the rails is smooth as glass.
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0034.jpg
A simple push and twist of the recoil spring assembly allows it to be removed from the carrier.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0036.jpg
http://smg.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0037.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0038.jpg
Push in the stock retaining pin and off comes the stock assembly.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0039.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0040.jpg
Showing the folding mechanism of the stock with the very cool built in storage tube.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0041.jpg
The adjustable two position cheek piece.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0042.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0043.jpg
Stock folded and slightly extended, yet still clears the ejection port and trigger.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0044.jpg
Same as above but with the stock more retracted.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/IMG_0045.jpg
These pics really dont do it justice, but hopefully you can see some of the thought and design put into this.
One last note. Just forget everything you've heard about when it will or will not be available, to whom, time frames, pricing, etc., until you hear it directly from Rich and Magpul themselves.
Alpha Sierra
01-13-07, 19:10
I am in awe!!!! :eek:
That is one seriously well thought-out rifle.
IMO, this bumps the XCR and the SIG 556 to also-ran status.
Heavy Metal
01-13-07, 19:30
Does the trigger pack come out?
Ah hell, I gotta have one. :D
Hawkeye, Any parts at all interchange with the AR? Looks like at least small bolt parts?
Mark
Great write up and pics - thanks!
Question:
The charging handle - it appears in the first few pics (on the left side) but it isn't visible on the right side...
So - that would mean the charging handle is not truly ambi - as it isn't on both sides - but I am assuming that the user can choose which side the charging handle is located - right??
Thanks for your time,
cheers
tire iron
baffle Stack
01-13-07, 20:32
The QD barrel is very impressive.
Trigger pack is removable.
Great photos.
It looks like MagPul has hit a home run.
Is the Masada a mockup? Is it a functioning prototype? From your conversations with them, have they done any live fire testing? Any torture testing?
They are not to far along with testing yet; one rifle may have had 1000 rds through it. When the system is proven, sounds like they're planning on a mil and le release initially. It appears to be a well thought out rifle. FCG and barrels (with Masada specific parts) are AR parts. The lowers were shown with an AR magwell and an AK magwell which was an interesting option. They may be onto something here.
Yes, it has been live fired by them.
Correct on the charging handle. User determined as to which side it is on, and it takes about 10 seconds to switch from one side to the other.
Dude... very nice review and pics....
I'm warming up to this gun more and more....:)
Any plans for a dust cover on the ejection port or is it such a tight fit that it might not need one?
Can't you see the action through the two charging handle slots anyway???
Incredible! :D
Overall Weight please?
I tend to overlook the obvious.:)
I live in Magpul's neck of the woods. Guess I should "take one for the team" and offer to test it for them....
Since I was a 03 in the Marines I can let them know if it's at least Marine resistant, maybe even Marine proof. :D
No plans for a dust cover that I am aware of. Rich said that the way the carrier rides in the the action, it pretty well closes off the ejection port area.
Zak, I believe you can. As to whether that is a potential issue or not in regards to debris getting into the action that route, I'll defer to Rich and commpany to answer. Hopefully when they get back and settled in from SHOT they can give some better info and answers than I.
Cant give any exact weights. I can say that it feels VERY well balance and pretty light, even with the Krink brake on the one that I kept trying to run away with. :D
I'd post the pic that Rich took of me holding it looking like a cheshire cat, but you guys would laugh at my ugly mug.
militarymoron
01-13-07, 22:14
thanks for the pics and writeup, hawkeye. i like it.
MM, Man, I was hoping to run into you. Sorry I missed you there. Didnt you have something up on your site?
I have so far successfully managed to avoid the M&P craze. My only hope for avoiding this is to be underway when it comes out, I'm afraid.
Time to buy a bigger gunsafe, I guess.:(
I don't hop on the "Hey it's new, I gotta have it" train often, if ever.
I like this though. It's on my "get it" list.
Has anyone seen a pic of the front sight yet? Does it require a special BUIS (HK height maybe?) or will any AR BUIS do the job?
I don't hop on the "Hey it's new, I gotta have it" train often, if ever.
I like this though. It's on my "get it" list.
Has anyone seen a pic of the front sight yet? Does it require a special BUIS (HK height maybe?) or will any AR BUIS do the job?
Good point. Where's the iron sights?
Call me an old fuddy duddy but I like irons even as my eyes get old.
You can see a Troy rear BUIS mounted on the pictured rifle. They are probably smart enough to keep that geometry the same for the built-in front flip-up sight.
Robb Jensen
01-14-07, 06:28
While I don't plan to buy a Magpul Masada, I think it's a pretty cool well thought out design. IIRC they said that it went front concept to a firing rifle in 3 weeks. I see this, the SIG 556 and the other gas piston AR stuff good for the M4s/M16s that we like so much. This stuff is only making our favorite rifles better and with many more options. Some of the immediate hatred like behavior reminds of a Benjamin Franklin quote.
"We are all born ignorant, but one must work hard to remain stupid"--Benjamin Franklin
3 months, not weeks. ;)
Built in flip up front sight on the rail that uses a standard AR front sight post, and you put whateven standard AR rear sight on it you want.
Very nice looking rifle. 3 months is crazy but they went from drawing board to a flying P-51 in WWII in about the same time.
I digress - Hawkeye, were the rails steel/aluminum or plastic/polymer? I'm not a big fan of plastic/polymer rails.
Looks well thought out - you can see parts of the AR in there, some G36 maybe, and a little SCAR. Too bad they didn't have this bad boy up and running for the SCAR trials.
Spooky
Another cool feature is the two position cheek piece, although it would be nice if the high position was a bit higher.
The controls are fully ambidextrous. The right side selector hit my trigger finger knuckle and when I mentioned this to Rich he said it was already on the re-design list.
The top rail, stock and grip are about the same relationship as on the AR so the feel is very familiar. I think the height-over-bore is the same as on an AR also. Standard AR buis work fine.
Some of the design details are reminiscent of the M96. Hopefully this get to market without any teething pains.
Another cool feature is the two position cheek piece, although it would be nice if the high position was a bit higher.
The controls are fully ambidextrous. The right side selector hit my trigger finger knuckle and when I mentioned this to Rich he said it was already on the re-design list.
The top rail, stock and grip are about the same relationship as on the AR so the feel is very familiar. I think the height-over-bore is the same as on an AR also. Standard AR buis work fine.
I too like the looks of the stock. The folding/adjusting unit is a very practical concept.
I'm not familiar with the removable sights, never used them, but it does provide a lower platform to mount optics. All solid in the positive column.
Given the expansion of the Marines and Army coming down the pike and the nature of the war we are fighting and will be fighting for the coming decades a flexible weapon for the grunts is a must.
I'm really impressed with Magpuls offerings. From start to today all Magpul products that I have ever bought, I still have and they are still going strong.
This Masada is... interesting... going to have to check this thing out in the future.
Y-
You can see a Troy rear BUIS mounted on the pictured rifle. They are probably smart enough to keep that geometry the same for the built-in front flip-up sight.
I was holding the gun when Steve Troy mounted his BUIS. I was going to hand them the LaRue fixed BUIS I had in my pocket and had asked them about co-witness with the front sight and was told the front was at the correct hight for this.
Since I was a 03 in the Marines I can let them know if it's at least Marine resistant, maybe even Marine proof. :D
Richard is an ex-Recon Marine. The engineers design a product, then hand it to Richard. If he breaks it, they go back to the drawing board. ;)
I'm only half kidding here...
Aluminum rails.
The bolt carrier rides on steel rails. The receiver is 7000-series aluminum.
Can't you see the action through the two charging handle slots anyway???
Hey Zak,
Come down and play with it yourself. ;) Our engineers and designers already have modifications in the works to ensure dirt and grit have as little access to the action as possible. I'd like to try to explain it to you, but I don't know all the details, and I'd hate to start incorrect rumors.
The bolt carrier rides on steel rails. The receiver is 7000-series aluminum.
The top rail and forearm rails are aluminum. ;) Thats what I was responding to. I posted in my first post that the internal rails for the carrier were steel.
The top rail and forearm rails are aluminum. ;) Thats what I was responding to. I posted in my first post that the internal rails for the carrier were steel.
My mistake. I'm reading too fast trying to catch up on the e-frenzy this thing has caused. ;)
The forearm will have an extruded aluminum option, but the current "standard" version will be the same plastic our stocks are made of. There were a lot of rail manufacturers hanging around our booth at SHOT, and we at theirs. We welcome modification of the platform, and I personally would love to see what the masters can do.
My mistake. I'm reading too fast trying to catch up on the e-frenzy this thing has caused. ;)
The forearm will have an extruded aluminum option, but the current "standard" version will be the same plastic our stocks are made of. There were a lot of rail manufacturers hanging around our booth at SHOT, and we at theirs. We welcome modification of the platform, and I personally would love to see what the masters can do.
:D
I tried to cover as many of the bases as possible, just so you guys wouldnt have to. :p
Richard is an ex-Recon Marine. The engineers design a product, then hand it to Richard. If he breaks it, they go back to the drawing board. ;)
I'm only half kidding here...
I got ya, but hey you can't blame a guy for trying!
Like Zak asked, I too was wondering about the ejection port. The biggest problem I've had with cleaning the M16 type rifle/carbine is not the carbon build up but rather environments crud that gets in there. One helo ride and sand/crap gets down deep into the weapon. Within reason it does not hinder performance, again within reason. But it can catch up with you if you ignore it.
Then there's helo rides in the artic. :eek: Talk about ice build up.
I got ya, but hey you can't blame a guy for trying!
Like Zak asked, I too was wondering about the ejection port. The biggest problem I've had with cleaning the M16 type rifle/carbine is not the carbon build up but rather environments crud that gets in there. One helo ride and sand/crap gets down deep into the weapon. Within reason it does not hinder performance, again within reason. But it can catch up with you if you ignore it.
Then there's helo rides in the artic. :eek: Talk about ice build up.
The engineers have actually built more clearance around the bolt carrier than the M16 for that exact reason, and lots of ports/slots for the dirt and grit to drain from. Again, I can't make any statement on its effectivness just yet since we haven't test it, but I can promise we will beat the HELL out of this rifle before it comes anywhere near military or LE.
The engineers have actually built more clearance around the bolt carrier than the M16 for that exact reason, and lots of ports/slots for the dirt and grit to drain from. Again, I can't make any statement on its effectivness just yet since we haven't test it, but I can promise we will beat the HELL out of this rifle before it comes anywhere near military or LE.
I'd like to see those "drain holes" to see if crud can get out but not in. As I said, I've had more environmental crud than from fouling. But it sure looks like an interesting rifle, I'd love to see it hit the civi market.
FlyingHunter
01-16-07, 20:53
Congrats to all at MagPul. I'm proud a small American business can have this kind of impact. Question. I'm sure they will have the std 5.56 caliber but does anyone know if they will offer other calibers as well ? Thanks
Congrats to all at MagPul. I'm proud a small American business can have this kind of impact. Question. I'm sure they will have the std 5.56 caliber but does anyone know if they will offer other calibers as well ? Thanks
The direct answer is yes, but not yet. 5.56 is the standard for most LEO/Mil, and even for civillian AR shooters, and the intention is to nail that caliber down first, then pursue others. No decisions have been made as to what calibers will come first, but I'd assume you will see 7.62x39 and maybe 5.45 for the AK lower, and possibly 6.8 and/or 6.5 for the NATO lower. Again, I must stress that no decisions have been finalized for other calibers, but you will see them eventually.
Masada test fire video. (http://www.magpul.com/movie/masada002.wmv)
Hawkeye and Nick,
Thank you for the information.
The direct answer is yes, but not yet. 5.56 is the standard for most LEO/Mil, and even for civillian AR shooters, and the intention is to nail that caliber down first, then pursue others. No decisions have been made as to what calibers will come first, but I'd assume you will see 7.62x39 and maybe 5.45 for the AK lower, and possibly 6.8 and/or 6.5 for the NATO lower. Again, I must stress that no decisions have been finalized for other calibers, but you will see them eventually.
I'm in no way an expert on this, but I believe that in the case of the 6.5 Grendel all it would take is the 7.62 Commie Bolt (already planned), a Grendel barrel (already made) instal, and some of the CProducts Grendel mags (already made).
No other mods required unless the ejection port is smaller than the standard AR port. That would take some modification. However, since they have plans for 7.62 Commie, the ejection port is most likely large enough.
I'm in no way an expert on this, but I believe that in the case of the 6.5 Grendel all it would take is the 7.62 Commie Bolt (already planned), a Grendel barrel (already made) instal, and some of the CProducts Grendel mags (already made).
No other mods required unless the ejection port is smaller than the standard AR port. That would take some modification. However, since they have plans for 7.62 Commie, the ejection port is most likely large enough.
You very well could be right, MudBug. I've never had the chance to play with a 6.5, so I can't give you an accurate answer. I do know that Bill Alexander swung by the booth once or twice, though. ;)
Also when are those mags going to be for sale? I want one! :cool:
Also when are those mags going to be for sale? I want one! :cool:
Shipping in about a month.
NICK B FROM MAGPUL:
I have been telling some buds that this rifle is what we civvy shooters have been waiting for. Piston driven, modular in construction and the best part of all this is it's a US Weapon and made by Magpul! (A serious advantage)!
My buds, who are waiting for a couple of sig556 rifles, as well as I am, are always beeyatching about the serious lack of info and customer service from Sig on the SIG556.
Would it be possible for Magpul to have a section of your webpage designated for just "MASADA" information and photograph's?
Basic Idea:
A guy logs on to the Main Magpul site and up pops a section for MASADA data and anyone can hit the icon and bam!, updated photo's, accessories, dates and movies posted by Magpul only to show the progress of the system. Also, testing results, upcoming calibers and add ons that will be offered by Magpul.
This also ends rumors on the Net and provides one point of absolute Data from Magpul itself! Rails, magazines for the rifle, sites, mounts, preferred sites and photo's with the magpul with various sites and mounts. Additionally, Businesses that Magpul has partners with that have a waiting list for the rifle and their contact data.
Please don't make the absolutely stupid mistake that SIGARMS has done by failing to keep people motivated and most importantly, INFORMED!
If I know whats up, I will know "Whats up"! and I will be more inclined to spend my moolah on a company that really shows me, not just through a couple of outdated photo's but through good-up to date data.
Please consider the "MASADA" only section on the Magpul page. I know I will visit that thang 2 or 3 times a days to know whats up!:D :D :D
NICK B FROM MAGPUL:
I have been telling some buds that this rifle is what we civvy shooters have been waiting for. Piston driven, modular in construction and the best part of all this is it's a US Weapon and made by Magpul! (A serious advantage)!
My buds, who are waiting for a couple of sig556 rifles, as well as I am, are always beeyatching about the serious lack of info and customer service from Sig on the SIG556.
Would it be possible for Magpul to have a section of your webpage designated for just "MASADA" information and photograph's?
Basic Idea:
A guy logs on to the Main Magpul site and up pops a section for MASADA data and anyone can hit the icon and bam!, updated photo's, accessories, dates and movies posted by Magpul only to show the progress of the system. Also, testing results, upcoming calibers and add ons that will be offered by Magpul.
This also ends rumors on the Net and provides one point of absolute Data from Magpul itself! Rails, magazines for the rifle, sites, mounts, preferred sites and photo's with the magpul with various sites and mounts. Additionally, Businesses that Magpul has partners with that have a waiting list for the rifle and their contact data.
Please don't make the absolutely stupid mistake that SIGARMS has done by failing to keep people motivated and most importantly, INFORMED!
If I know whats up, I will know "Whats up"! and I will be more inclined to spend my moolah on a company that really shows me, not just through a couple of outdated photo's but through good-up to date data.
Please consider the "MASADA" only section on the Magpul page. I know I will visit that thang 2 or 3 times a days to know whats up!:D :D :D
Direct answer: yes. We had every intention of adding a couple new sections to our site before SHOT, but simply didn't have time. Now that things have slowed down, I think some sort of Masada update page is a priority. I know that Richard has some ideas on how he wants to structure things with regards to the site, so I'm going to sit down with him next week and draw up a plan.
The information about this weapon that is floating around the net is horrible, to say the least. I'm not sure where half this crap comes from, but we MUST post something soon to kill the BS rumor mill...
Direct answer: yes. We had every intention of adding a couple new sections to our site before SHOT, but simply didn't have time. Now that things have slowed down, I think some sort of Masada update page is a priority. I know that Richard has some ideas on how he wants to structure things with regards to the site, so I'm going to sit down with him next week and draw up a plan.
The information about this weapon that is floating around the net is horrible, to say the least. I'm not sure where half this crap comes from, but we MUST post something soon to kill the BS rumor mill...
You know I've just acquired the M93B stock, love the cheek weld!
I've used your "contact us" tool on your web site and I have to say you guys are very responsive. I've a real stickler for customer service and you guys deliver.
Keep it up, you're earning a customer. ;)
Slightly OT, but I was thinking that the stock on the Masada would work great, look good, and cure a lot of ills on an AK.
The information about this weapon that is floating around the net is horrible, to say the least. I'm not sure where half this crap comes from, ...
Good Lord thats the truth.
FlyAndFight
01-24-07, 13:53
Don't forget to keep us posted as to when the M4Carbine.net "group buy" will become available... ;)
Don't forget to keep us posted as to when the M4Carbine.net "group buy" will become available... ;)
I wouldn't hold my breath, man. Group buys are a HUGE pain. Magpul has tried it in the past, and it never works out very well. If you guys can put enough pressure on Rich over at ARFCOM he might cave, but don't count on it.
Nick's right on this one Fella's as far as it being a pain. Oh, about the pressure on Rich, don't bother, a group buy of the Masada will never happen. Just being honest.
I wouldn't hold my breath, man. Group buys are a HUGE pain. Magpul has tried it in the past, and it never works out very well. If you guys can put enough pressure on Rich over at ARFCOM he might cave, but don't count on it.
Nick's right on this one Fella's as far as it being a pain. Oh, about the pressure on Rich, don't bother, a group buy of the Masada will never happen. Just being honest.
I figured as much...
TigerStripe
01-25-07, 16:10
I plan on buying one and adding it to my collection. It has a lot of features that I'd like on an AR with a regular rail and is enough like a SCAR to quench my thirst for one unless the real SCAR is released. I have a POF and love it for its lack of need for constant maintenance and its accuracy but I've been waiting quite a while for a standard height rail for it and as yet there is not one. I like the Masada quite a bit for not having held or fired one.
TS
New Masada pics taken yesterday, enjoy.
http://www.magpul.com/pics/masada_b1.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/pics/masada_b2.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/pics/masada_b3.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/pics/masada_b4.jpg
Nick- you aren't going to find us running to TOS to start a GB.
:p
Army Chief
01-26-07, 14:12
Quite honestly, I'm so impressed by the concept that if this thing checks out on the proving grounds half as well as we expect it might, I couldn't care less about a group buy. I would gladly pay full fare and count myself fortunate Magpul even brought the thing to market at any price.
Truly exceptional R&D from the most unlikely of places - then again, perhaps we should have known that Rich & Company were capable of pulling something like this off all along. Either way, bravo!
Chief
That's exactly my stance and opinion every time I saw someone shouting "group buy!"
I just don't see how people can expect a group buy and subsequent discount on anything that is 1.) Great in and of itself and 2.) something that can be sold for people's souls when it comes out.
You usually get GBs on stuff that is a little overpriced and exists in an ABUNDANCE and a retailer doesn't mind making a little less in order to sell quantity. That will NOT happen with this rifle.
Pale Horse
01-26-07, 20:26
I just recently picked up a Sig 556 and thought that this was just about as close to the Holy Grail (Sig 550) as I was going to get......... then Magpul had to go and do this.:D
olds442tyguy
01-29-07, 17:57
http://www.magpul.com/pics/masada_b3.jpg
Right click, set as background.
That is freaking awesome! Thanks for the pics and updates. :cool:
ETA: You wouldn't happen to know the barrel length on that configuration would you?
Right click, set as background.
That is freaking awesome! Thanks for the pics and updates. :cool:
ETA: You wouldn't happen to know the barrel length on that configuration would you?
I believe that one was somewhere in the 10" range, but Drake may correct me. We made a couple very cool looking configurations when we were playing with the guns at SHOT. Rifle length handguards+KX3 or Suppressor on a short barrel = :cool:
olds442tyguy
01-29-07, 19:23
Awesome, thanks. :cool:
I keep dreaming up different MASADA configurations, but so far that one above has really grabbed my attention.
I definitely agree with you on the SBR rifle length handguard configurations being killer looking. I also like this one (below). With that meat grinder flash hider just barely sticking out of the front, for some reason I just can't stop drooling.
(Photo originally posted by Zak Smith.)
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-Masada/smaller/D100_8603_img.jpg
Close, ten point five plus the flaming pig.
I believe that one was somewhere in the 10" range, but Drake may correct me. We made a couple very cool looking configurations when we were playing with the guns at SHOT. Rifle length handguards+KX3 or Suppressor on a short barrel = :cool:
GastonG-NoVa
01-29-07, 19:33
Do you think Magpul will hurry up and sell us a bunch of receivers, then when the Democrats take over in 2008, we can all build our rifles!!!:mad:
That is one Hot new Rifle, I immediately fell in love with it.:p
Do you think Magpul will hurry up and sell us a bunch of receivers, then when the Democrats take over in 2008, we can all build our rifles!!!:mad:
Unfortunately it's the upper which is going to require the most work (I'd imagine.)
Or, maybe if they'd sell the serialized little metal plates that will be embedded into the polymer to us now and later on they can be fused to the polymer- that would be neat!
New Masada pics taken yesterday, enjoy.
http://www.magpul.com/pics/masada_b1.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/pics/masada_b2.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/pics/masada_b3.jpg
http://www.magpul.com/pics/masada_b4.jpg
Cool. Any high res pics?
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Cool. Any high res pics?
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I also would love some high res.
You guys need to upgrade your magnified optics, seriously!
You guys need to upgrade your magnified optics, seriously!
I tried to convince Richard to pick up a Short Dot, but he just wouldn't listen! :p
ETA: Sorry I didn't introduce myself the other day - I didn't want to interrupt, and you left out the back before I knew it. Next time I'll say hello!
I'll probably be down again this Friday.
I'll probably be down again this Friday.
What time? I'll be in around 9:00-10:00, Starbucks in hand.
If it works for everyone, morning again.
Feel free to drop off any optics you like this Friday Zak.
You guys need to upgrade your magnified optics, seriously!
Sure, I'll just rummage around in my trunk-o-optics... :D
Ran into this yesterday.
http://certops.com/certops/CERTChanMagpul07.html
Ran into this yesterday.
http://certops.com/certops/CERTChanMagpul07.html
Can I have your autograph!!?? :cool:
No! But here's a pic.
http://www.funny-games.biz/pictures/owned/poop.jpg
Can I have your autograph!!?? :cool:
Denied! :(
Oh well. At least I got a hug. :D
Ya'll dont mind me, Im just day dreaming a little.
Has the Masada been approved for production? Just read about it again in September Soldier of Fortune. Gary Johnston stated it would be available soon. Is this true or BS?
Not sure what you mean by "approved", but last I heard, Magpul was still shooting for the first part of 2008, hopefully right after SHOT or thereabouts if we're lucky.
I should have been more clear. It`s definitely going to be produced, not just a SOT Show "concept" Gun that never sees a gunstore`s shelves. That`s good to hear.:)
will some parts like the bolt carrier rails be T.I.N. coated for less wear and tear ? does the barrel locking system has taper threads/side lock pins to control wear and wobble as bring used ? bolt/carrier has better axle pin angles so less wear and breaking ?T.I.N. coated gas system ?flat or multi-wire springs used ? 2 stage recoil system ? i like to see some if not all this in the Masada ...we,usa can built better weapons here we not all dumbed down because most of us army uses is foreign made or owned by !thanks to illegal gun control laws which have done alot of damage to this nation -case in point fnusa backs out who will make the parts and weapons ?look how much damage the assault gun ban did !also the 1985 class 3 ban also done !
I want a Masada real bad but the thoughts in my mind and by reading the other posts mentioning Gun Bans is what happens if we get hit and cant get parts for new toys like these? :(
QuietShootr
08-27-07, 11:02
This is a really minor bitch, because the rifle itself looks like it could be a seriously good thing...
Did ya really think naming a new combat rifle after one of the best-known mass suicides in history is supposed to be MOTIVATING? Were 'Jonestown', 'Heaven's Gate', and 'Zalongo' already taken??
:D
This is a really minor bitch, because the rifle itself looks like it could be a seriously good thing...
Did ya really think naming a new combat rifle after one of the best-known mass suicides in history is supposed to be MOTIVATING? Were 'Jonestown', 'Heaven's Gate', and 'Zalongo' already taken??
:D
Actually, yes. :) I dont think a better name could be chosen. Especially given Rich's explanation of why he chose it.
Originally Posted By Magpul:
Originally Posted By Radiant556:
I wish they'd named it something else...hell, "JONESTOWN" would have been about the same.
Simplistic Thinking...
I posted why we named it the way we did in the industry section but here it is again.
The Masada rifle was a risky move for us so we decided it could not be a "safe" name like X234 or USA#1
The battle of Masada was where the Roman X Legion laid siege to the Jews in 72 AD. The fortress stood on top of a plateau and had a secure source of fresh water. Because of this, the Romans were forced to build a ramp to allow their formations to advance up to the fortress without breaking ranks. When the ramp was nearly complete, the Jewish defenders decided to end their existence rather than become the inevitable slaves of the Roman Empire. The citizens of Masada left their food out in plain sight to show the Romans that they were in no danger starving and through this act of defiance they have defined the nature of controlling one’s own destiny.
Many said we should have named it "the Spartan" or "Thermopylae" if we wanted a desperate battle. But that too is a safe choice. As much as I love the story of the 300 Spartans the power of the Masada story has always held me more.
The Spartans were trained and prepared to die as a symbol of the way they lived. Their families were safe from the harm of that battle. All of them went into battle knowing they had sons to carry on their fight and their bloodline.
I too stood on the embark line, armed and ready for the unknown (during Desert Storm) and at that moment I was surprised to find I wouldn't have chosen to be any other place. I was ready to die if that was what fate had for me that day.
The defenders of Masada were different. They had families, women and children. Even a fantastic fight to the death would hardly be noticed by history. It would be just another Roman massacre like many previous and to follow.
It was a cool calculated choice to deny the enemy any victory and was their only option to make their deaths stand for something.
They even processed their deaths so only one person would have to actually commit suicide (which is a sin under their faith).
Now I have children I can truly understand the strength of those people in the story. I know I can march to my death for a cause but to this day I hope I never have to find out if I am strong enough to achieve victory at the price the people at Masada paid.
I hope this explanation makes a little more sense to everyone. Trust us we did not choose the name lightly.
Edited to add:
Other aspects of story of the Masada also play into the name.
The full story was written down by Josephus, a Jew and failed general, who at the time had surrendered to the Romans. The fortress is there as is the ramp and Roman garrison buildings. Even the name of the last seven scrawled on pottery remain but only a handful of skeletal remains were found not the hundreds described in the story. The Romans could have removed the bodies but no record of the siege exists in the Roman texts (despite the fact the Garrison and massive man-made ramp exists).
It has been said that Josephus, might have made up the end the story as propaganda to persuade the rest of the Jews to “submit” to Roman rule. If so it had the opposite effect and the Masada has been a rallying story of defiance ever since.
It is like when the Communist Party started showing the US movie “The Grapes of Wrath” to the peasants in the old CCCP in order to illustrate the depression in America. Yet they had to pull the movie as the all peasants could comment on was the fact that, “In America, even the poor have cars!”
We love the anti propaganda message of this.
Another more obvious lesson of the Masada is that wars with small arms will be won in the streets. Fortresses, no matter how big or strong will fall with a determined enemy. To win you must be fluid, invisible and in the fight- not in a bunker waiting for “your chance” to face the enemy.
olds442tyguy
08-27-07, 14:51
I still think the name is a mistake. Mass suicide isn't cool no matter how you slice it. I'd rather die fighting than die giving up, but that's just my opinion. If you ask me, the whole Masada incident was the opposite of honorable and courageous. They could have fought to the death, but they didn't even consider fighting at all. They only considered suicide and surrender, which is pathetic IMO.
I'd rather the rifle be named Custer's Last Stand or something along those lines, as then at least the people died with their honor.
I've posted it on a few less tactical boards (4 to be exact), and on every one I had to explain in detail that it's not an Israeli made rifle. Even then people still questioned why an American made rifle's name was influenced by a catastrophic foreign event.
Regardless, I couldn't care less about the name, I just want the rifle! :D
Oh, and technically it has hit gun store shelves, as Magpul apparently sent out a customer evaluation unit to Jensen Arms.
QuietShootr
08-27-07, 15:07
I know the story well. I think it's not a good choice for some of the reasons articulated above, but I'm still going to buy one.
a stand against tyranny with honer, tried up the romans and cost them good !ITS a good name abit bloody if it lives up to its meaning ,it will make its own history and add to the history of its name !CONCORD is better but ok to rub salt on the new redcoats [Liberal-One-World]which are pushing to the tripwire !
a stand against tyranny with honer, tried up the romans and cost them good !ITS a good name abit bloody if it lives up to its meaning ,it will make its own history and add to the history of its name !CONCORD is better but ok to rub salt on the new redcoats [Liberal-One-World]which are pushing to the tripwire !
I love it! Preach it Brother.
a stand against tyranny with honer, tried up the romans and cost them good !ITS a good name abit bloody if it lives up to its meaning ,it will make its own history and add to the history of its name !CONCORD is better but ok to rub salt on the new redcoats [Liberal-One-World]which are pushing to the tripwire !
:rolleyes:
Dude - please in ENGLISH.
a stand against tyranny with honer, tried up the romans and cost them good !ITS a good name abit bloody if it lives up to its meaning ,it will make its own history and add to the history of its name !CONCORD is better but ok to rub salt on the new redcoats [Liberal-One-World]which are pushing to the tripwire !
(Scooby-doo sound):confused:
I don't like the name, but I appreciate that a lot of thought went into selecting it and I admire their willingness to roll the dice on new designs.
I would show my defiance by trying to kill the enemy, not mine or someone else's kids. But they're the ones who put the time and resources into designing and marketing a new rifle, while I sit at my computer and type. I mean why wasn't I consulted about this name?!:D
So is it ready yet?? I'll just call the damn thing the Magpul "Mazz"....
I want one. I want one sooner, rather than later. :D
I like to look at the name as a reminder to what happened, and that the Magpul Masada is a tool with which I can make sure that situation never happens again.
I don't understand why people get torqued up about the name....I just want one in my hands. :D
I don't understand why people get torqued up about the name....I just want one in my hands. :D
I HAD one in my hands..... Magpul took it away. :(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/Masada3.jpg
olds442tyguy
08-28-07, 15:29
a stand against tyranny with honer, tried up the romans and cost them good !ITS a good name abit bloody if it lives up to its meaning ,it will make its own history and add to the history of its name !CONCORD is better but ok to rub salt on the new redcoats [Liberal-One-World]which are pushing to the tripwire !
Let's apply the Masada incident to a more modern scenario.
A home invader is invading your home. Do you:
A: Go Masada style, kill your wife and children, then off yourself before the invader even gets out of his car.
B: Comply with the invader's every wish.
C: Call the cops and wait.
D: Kill the sum'bitch when he attempts violence.
My apologies for getting off topic again, I just think the name is that out of place. Then again, they could call it the fairy rifle for all I care. I just want one, even if I think the name is a little odd.
By the way, you know Magpul did something right when the only complaint you here about it is the name.
I HAD one in my hands..... Magpul took it away. :(
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/SHOT07/Masada3.jpg
Hawkeye...you don't look very happy about the whole situation.
I know that proof is actually shooting the rifle and some T&E, however, based upon your limited "experience" with the rifle, do you think that it's something that you could give up the AR platform for?
Drake had just said that I couldnt keep it right before the pic. That was my.... wanna wrestle for it? look. :D
At this point, with just simply handling it and talking to the folks at Magpul about it, no, I would not say I'd give up the AR platform for it. However, I DEFINITELY plan to get one and run it side by side with my AR's. Now, thats not to say that after getting enough range time with one that it might not very well take the lead as my goto weapon of choice, but even then, I dont think I could/would ever completely give up the AR platform. Even if the Masada turned out to be the absolute best thing since indoor plumbing, and thats all I wanted to use, I'd still have at least one or two AR's on hand. It could very well cause my AR's to gather a lot of dust though if I had to make a guess.
Its hard to quantify in words. But just the way the Masada is put together... The way the parts "feel" in the way they mate up together...The ergonomics.... The weight.... The balance.... The movement of the bolt carrier in the receiver.... if it runs half as good as it "feels", then its going to be a serious platform. Again, keep in mind my hands on time is just with the proto from SHOT. It seems to be running well for Rich and company though.
Let's apply the Masada incident to a more modern scenario.
A home invader is invading your home. Do you:
A: Go Masada style, kill your wife and children, then off yourself before the invader even gets out of his car.
B: Comply with the invader's every wish.
C: Call the cops and wait.
D: Kill the sum'bitch when he attempts violence.
This isn't quite right.
It'd be more like: you're in your house surrounded by a gang of 50 hardened, very angry criminals. They've just about cut through your front door with an axe. Do you:
A: Kill your wife and children, then yourself, before the gang can kill you;
B: Wait helplessly to see what they will do to you;
C: Call the cops and hope for the best;
D: Take as many of them with you as you can, knowing you'll never get all of them.
And with (D), you're going to make the inevitable survivors even angrier.
Tough choice.
They can call it Maryann for all I frickin care, as long as I get one.
And Ryan, that's Hawkeye's happy face, very similar, but with subtle differences from his sad, angry, and "I have gas" looks.
This isn't quite right.
It'd be more like: you're in your house surrounded by a gang of 50 hardened, very angry criminals. They've just about cut through your front door with an axe. Do you:
A: Kill your wife and children, then yourself, before the gang can kill you;
B: Wait helplessly to see what they will do to you;
C: Call the cops and hope for the best;
D: Take as many of them with you as you can, knowing you'll never get all of them.
And with (D), you're going to make the inevitable survivors even angrier.
Tough choice.
That's a no-brainer... You NEVER give up - Period.
I agree that the name just flat sucks, but I still want one (after I see that they're actually gonna work as advertised).
The whole Masada incident always seemed to me to be one of the low points in Jewish history. I don't see a lot of difference between the mindset of the people who committed suicide at Masada and the people standing in line for the gas chambers in Germany. In both cases, they were giving up without a fight. You can dress it up any way you like, but the fact remains - THEY GAVE UP WITHOUT A FIGHT.
Terrible name for a rifle.
....that's Hawkeye's happy face, very similar, but with subtle differences from his sad, angry, and "I have gas" looks.
Dang....we need to take him to Vegas. Hawkeye, do you know how to play Poker?
Jay Cunningham
08-28-07, 20:42
I don't care about the name of the rifle.
I hope the design is successful, however.
Been a LONG time.....
And when I have gas, the eyebrows shift a bit more....thank you very much.
They can call it Maryann for all I frickin care, as long as I get one.
And Ryan, that's Hawkeye's happy face, very similar, but with subtle differences from his sad, angry, and "I have gas" looks.
Hell, they can call ME Maryann as long as I get one.......:D
Hell, they can call ME Maryann as long as I get one.......:D
You will have to give me one before I call you Maryann. I've seen your mug shot.
That's a no-brainer... You NEVER give up - Period.
I agree that the name just flat sucks, but I still want one (after I see that they're actually gonna work as advertised).
The whole Masada incident always seemed to me to be one of the low points in Jewish history. I don't see a lot of difference between the mindset of the people who committed suicide at Masada and the people standing in line for the gas chambers in Germany. In both cases, they were giving up without a fight. You can dress it up any way you like, but the fact remains - THEY GAVE UP WITHOUT A FIGHT.
Terrible name for a rifle.
Opinions are like.......
Try this on for size. You're in your house with your loving wife and children. A ruthless band of savages who commit terrible acts, tries to enter your home on a Tues night in July of 1999. You're an excellent husband, father and sound minded man. You've prepared for such an attack by building a moat with fire breathing vagina monsters and have tank turners and land mines and all kinds of shit to ward off savages who enslave and beat the children in their capture.
You have a well in your house that gives you fresh water. You have an ample supply of food and an indoor self sustaining hydroponics garden. It will take years for these MFer's to get in there.
So you live your life no different then you had before the attack. You of course never had to leave your home for entertainment, you have Tivo, surround sound, sports package, jungle gym, you get the idea, fun shit for the whole family. So Aug 28, 2008 rolls around and those bastards make it around every land mine, filled in every moat, killed every fire breathing vagina monster and make it to the welcome mat. You've got lots of food and water still. You know that the army of these savages will kill you soon after they break in your front door. Several of these mother ****ers will die by my hand. What happens after I'm dead though? What of my family? I need to make a decision.
Are my wife and daughter raped daily for the rest of their lives? Do my sons become leaders among slaves? Or are they starved and thrown in a den of lions for entertainment? Or will they all be tortured to the death right then and their?
or
Could I possibly end the pain to them, by offering them to die at my hand? For them to look in my eyes as life slips away? Or the other option for the last thing they see.... some ****ing filth sodomizing her as he hits her in the head with an ax. As my sons watch unable to do anything.
I think deciding to go into battle and knowing I'm going to die is a lot to take in. Asking my self what the options are and is their an alternative that I could still win. Deciding to put my own family to rest to avoid my beautiful wife and loving daughter getting ass ****ed and beaten to death and my sons enslaved is a not nearly as difficult of a decision.
Just my opinion and thoughts. The above BS story has a lot in common with Masada history. The ultimate act of defiance.
GastonG-NoVa
09-03-07, 21:34
Enough raising caine............more building.
They need to sell lowers immediately, then finish building the rifle later.
Any idea about a time frame!!!
Ok folks from Magpul please say you will be offering replacement parts for sale? Unlike some other companies that wont sell them to you until you send the weapon in. Also what parts are interchangable with the AR?
Enough raising caine............more building.
They need to sell lowers immediately, then finish building the rifle later.
Any idea about a time frame!!!
You mean upper? :o
Any updates on approx availability times? It looks to be a nice addition to any collection and very well thought out.
TigerStripe
10-17-07, 15:12
Any updates on approx availability times? It looks to be a nice addition to any collection and very well thought out.
Don't expect one until they actually become ready and available.
TS
Don't expect one until they actually become ready and available.
TS
Makes sense to me.
Must be nice to be on the T&E team. :D :(
It would stand to reason to not expect one until they are ready and available now wouldn't it.
That question was for people in the know. Just curious if we are looking at approximately 6 months, 1 year, 5 years. You know, an educated guess.
Its interesting that the lower isnt going to be the registered part.
You mean upper? :o
I must be very mistaken but I thought the Magpul AR15 lower was a completely different animal than the Masada- completely.
Wait, I'm not mistaken. You guys don't pay much attention :p
The billet AR15 lower is not simply the Masada's lower...
Its interesting that the lower isnt going to be the registered part.
Why? HKs, FALs...
Why? HKs, FALs...
Because it is a ARish type weapon.
My point is that they can register whichever part of the receiver they want. Just because the AR crowd loves this and Magpul started out by making products for ARs (and other weapons) doesn't mean it has to have a registered lower.
My point is that they can register whichever part of the receiver they want. Just because the AR crowd loves this and Magpul started out by making products for ARs (and other weapons) doesn't mean it has to have a registered lower.
My post that you responded to was "Its interesting that the lower isnt going to be the registered part." I never said they could or could not do anything just that it was "interesteing" so in regards to me you really dont have a point.
Yeah you are right.
You "The lower isn't going to be registered- that's interesting"
Me "Why (should it be?) [there are plenty of others that don't work this way"
You "Because it's an AR-ish type weapon."
My point is that there's no reason NOT to register the upper instead of the lower.
You seem to think it should be the lower because it's AR-like. You've suggested that twice.
"AR-ish" isn't one of the deciding factors in why they'd want to do it one way or another.
The reason would be because where the most work is involved in creating it. I think the upper is WAY more work intensive than the lower in this case- same as an HK.
That's why. It's not interesting. It was interesting to the Mayans why the sun came up like it did every day. It's not interesting to me because I already know why.
I was just trying to tell you why.
I wasn't clear the first time.
Sorry.
Friends? :)
Since most of us won't be able to get our hands on one anytime soon (if ever :( ), does anyone have any new pics for us mortals to drool over?:D
Yeah you are right.
Friends? :)
Of course friends bicker all the time:p
Now to why I find the upper being registered interesting. The ability to change lowers for changing to a different caliber without going through all the paperwork is a great idea. You will already have the upper so ordering a different barrel or lower for a different caliber is a revolutionary idea. Currently its not abig deal for me to order whatever registered part I want and than transfer it to myself. In the not so far off future it may be hard for me to keep my license depending who is in office. The ATF is already trying to stomp out the little guy and I see that getting worse here pretty soon.
I wasnt going to get a Masada because of all the crap coming up and how hard it will be to get parts for it but I have decided to not let that stop me. Now the only thing that might stop me is my wife and credit cards as i will have to buy 2 or 3 of each thing for it just in case.
Can't wait to get my hands on one. Great effort by the design team and it looks like it will be very popular.
Keep up the good work guys.
Canonshooter
10-20-07, 05:26
Let's just hope they can get it done in 2008 and build enough of them to fill civilian demand. I plan on making at least one "high end" rifle purchase in 2008 and if they come through, a Masada will be one of them.
Since most of us won't be able to get our hands on one anytime soon (if ever :( ),
I swear, if I hear this again I am going to break something.
Since most of us won't be able to get our hands on one anytime soon (if ever :( ),
Why do you think it's not going to be available?
does anyone have any new pics for us mortals to drool over?:D
There are some new pics in the Guns & Ammo 2008 Buyers Guide.
Sorry guys, I didn't mean to start anything. I was just hoping for some more pics for now until it's actually released.
I'm really hoping that enough will be produced and that dealers don't jack up the price so that the average person that is interested in buying one (like myself and others here that do not have connections) will actually be able to purchase one.
Sorry guys, I didn't mean to start anything. I was just hoping for some more pics for now until it's actually released.
I'm really hoping that enough will be produced and that dealers don't jack up the price so that the average person that is interested in buying one (like myself and others here that do not have connections) will actually be able to purchase one.
Im sure that at first getting them at retail will be tough. Just look at the Sig556 and on top of that the plitical climate will be heating up even more.
Thanks for the pics Hawkeye, with all those features it looks like magpul has a sure thing.That internal quick change barrel system is the shit! Any one know the weight
Thanks for the pics Hawkeye, with all those features it looks like magpul has a sure thing.That internal quick change barrel system is the shit! Any one know the weight
From what I have read it is pretty light.
I printed several tech posters with cut away views off the Magpul web site and showed several of my co workers. They were so impressed with the Masada one guy even told me he would sell his Bushmaster dissipator and a good hand gun just to get one! I think Magpul is going to be very busy in the up coming year.
Breaking it down video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2yWoMZIOCE)
60 rnd test video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8u1OTfJS5U)
That makes me happy. Very happy. :D
That makes me happy. Very happy. :D
Good times.
Damn... after my last experience being the first kid on the block with a new carbine system, I swore I'd let any new stuff mature a while before I threw my money at it. But this thing just looks frickin' nice!!!
I want one yesterday.
Breaking it down video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2yWoMZIOCE)
60 rnd test video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8u1OTfJS5U)
You tease! :D
Damn... after my last experience being the first kid on the block with a new carbine system, I swore I'd let any new stuff mature a while before I threw my money at it. But this thing just looks frickin' nice!!!
I want one yesterday.
XCR perhaps?
After looking at the video of disassembly and firing at the shot show this past year of the Masada it looks awesome. I can't see how you can go wrong. and as for Hk 416/417 who cares, buy American!
Failure2Stop
10-28-07, 07:56
This is the first time I have ever been truly anxious to buy a firearm that is a brand-new design. I am hoping that the proven technologies that are included in the design will reduce or eliminate initial issues.
I don't know if it is due to the appeal of the weapon or the fear that the gun grabbers will prevent me from owning one.
Man I want one of these. It's like waiting to lose my virginity all over again. Come on Magpul, I love you baby. . .
Breaking it down video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2yWoMZIOCE)
60 rnd test video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8u1OTfJS5U)
It makes me cry with tears of joy!
LonghunterCO
10-28-07, 22:25
Breaking it down video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2yWoMZIOCE)
60 rnd test video (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8u1OTfJS5U)
Alright. Give us the low down on the Eclan.
Alright. Give us the low down on the Eclan.
Digging it for now. We put over 1k rounds through the Masada with it on today. Very versitle sight.
YouTube and Magpul. Great combo. It's really cool that you're posting this stuff.
OK, Magpul, let's get them to market :D
I just wanted to bump this up because I hope (and pray) the time is getting near :)
Your not the only one. ;)
Your not the only one. ;)
Nathan_Bell
12-29-07, 14:38
Perhaps some good news at SHOT? *crosses fingers*
General info below.
Thank you for contacting Magpul about the Masada. Due to a high number of emails Magpul receives on a daily basis about the Masada we have created this auto reply to better answer your questions. Please read the info provided
Release of the Masada is expected to be in mid 2008. There will be a semi auto civilian version for sale. The Masada will be released in 5.56 with other calibers to follow with those dates to be determined. We’re shooting for a retail price of $1400. We have not made any distribution plans and there is no “waiting list” as of November 2007. We will announce T&E info as it becomes available. Military and LE personnel inquires that require more detail please contact us directly at 303 828 3460.
Listed below are links with information on the Masada.
Information links
http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/masada_technote.pdf
http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/masadafront.pdf
http://www.magpul.com/pdfs/masadaback.pdf
Video links
http://youtube.com/watch?v=MTnlNyhuO_U
http://youtube.com/watch?v=t2yWoMZIOCE
http://youtube.com/watch?v=e8u1OTfJS5U
NATIONAL FIREARMS ACT (NFA) CONFIGURATION QUESTIONS (MACHINEGUNS, SHORT-BARRELED RIFLES):
Masada™: Will the Masada be made in a select-fire version?
Yes. The select-fire Masada™ features a proprietary auto-sear that is not compatible with the standard M16. The fire selector has a standard 90 degree throw to the semi-auto position identical to the M16. The fully-automatic position is accessed with a further 30 degrees of travel. This combination ensures a good combination of safety and the ability to access fully-automatic firepower when necessary.
Masada™: Can I buy a select-fire (full-auto) Masada™?
The select-fire Masada™ is available ONLY to qualified buyers. The select-fire Masada™ is classified as a “machine-gun” under the National Firearms Act (26 USC 5845 (b)). As such it is subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations (27 CFR 479).
Masada™: Is there a transferrable, select-fire (full-auto) Masada™ available for civilians?
No. The Masada™ is a completely new weapon platform and was not produced prior to May 19, 1986. The select-fire Masada™ is considered a “post-86 dealer sample” and is only available to military, law-enforcement and qualified dealers.
Masada™: Are short-barreled (< 16” barrel length) Masada™ rifles available for civilians?
Short-barreled versions of the Masada™ are available ONLY to qualified buyers. The short-barreled Masada™ is classified as a “short-barreled rifle” (18 USC 921). As such it is subject to NFA transfer and possession regulations (27 CFR 479).
Masada™: Can the Masada accept a 3-Round Burst Mechanism?
An optional three-round burst mechanism is tentatively planned for the Masada. This may or may not require the use of proprietary parts and will ONLY be made available to military, law enforcement and qualified dealers in accordance with NFA transfer and possession regulations (27 CFR 479).
ADDITIONAL INFORMATION RESOURCES:
Masada™: Where can I see videos of the Masada™?
Milspec Monkey – Masada™ Introduction at Shot Shot 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UaYOI1waCYI
Masada™ Initial Prototype Test Firing – Jan 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_e_lWZzO8rM
Masada™ Test Shoot – May 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1SlWXdoT5QM
Masada™ Full Auto Function Test – 2007
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MTnlNyhuO_U&NR=1
Masada™ 60-Round Full Auto Test
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e8u1OTfJS5U
Masada™ Break Down (Field Strip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t2yWoMZIOCE
Masada™ Ghost Recon Advanced Warfighter II Video Game
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0NGH4pwzSS0
Masada™: Where can I read about the Masada™?
• Soldier of Fortune Oct 2007 THE MASADA FROM MAGPUL – Gary Paul Johnson
• Guns & Ammo 2008 Annual Buyers Guide MAGPUL’S MASADA: AT LAST A COMBAT RIFLE DONE RIGHT – Patrick Sweeney pg 14
Drake Clark
Magpul Industries Corp.
400 Young Court, Unit 1
Erie, CO 80516
303.828.3460 office
drake@magpul.com
www.magpul.com
I have enough saved for a MASADA...it's earning some interest as we speak. Is it 2008 yet?..:D
All I have to say is love ya Magpul, even my wife wants one and that says alot!
I realize it's early but I want an FDE Masada with an Aimpoint Comp M4, a FDE Troy rear sight and a VT sling :D
Jay Cunningham
12-31-07, 09:12
I realize it's early but I want an FDE Masada with an Aimpoint Comp M4, a FDE Troy rear sight and a VT sling :D
And a SureFire X300...
I'm just sayin'...
And a SureFire X300...
I'm just sayin'...
Oh jeez, how did I forget a weapon mounted light?
I want what both you guys want, plus a extra to keep as a safe queen.:D
Bolt_Overide
12-31-07, 23:33
2 in black please, 1 for the SBR'ing, 1 for an 18 incher.
I want an FDE Masada with an Aimpoint Comp M4, a FDE Troy rear sight and a VT sling :D
Each night as M4arc goes to sleep, tucked snuggly in bed, he has visions of FDE Masada's dancing in his head, but he keeps hearings Santa's words ringing in his ears...
"Hey kid, You'll shoot your eye out!!!" :D
I don't need a 7.62x39, 5.45x39, or a 6.8SPC -- however I would buy all the kits to complete whichever Masada I can get my hands on fastest. :D :D :D
A fairly simple question for the Magpul guys: Will you all be handling end user NFA transfers directly?
A fairly simple question for the Magpul guys: Will you all be handling end user NFA transfers directly?
Sorry Bro, can't answer that one yet. We're getting there though.
Couple questions I wanted to ask on the Masada. Forgive me if these have been asked or answered elsewhere:
1) Will it be possible to fold the stock with a sling swivel inserted in the socket on the right, rear side of the stock (as rigged for a southpaw)? It looks like it might not clear the mag well.
2) Will it be possible to purchase kits from Magpul that will enable a person to install the piston system on a barrel that is not offered by Magpul?
3) How hot does the metal upper get? I ask because of the difference in coefficient of thermal expansion (CTE) of the steel rails and aluminum receiver. I work in aerospace and CTE issues can lead to fatigue problems (cracking). Since it’s a piston system it probably won’t get that hot, and these are relatively small parts so the difference won’t be huge. Maybe this is an overly anal question to ask, but I am an engineer.
Thanks!
I can tell you that you won't be able to install the piston system from the MASADA into an AR. I'm sure nothing at all is the same.
That doesn't mean that Magpul won't make a drop in system for ARs down the road but I doubt they will if and when they have success with the MASADA.
I can tell you that you won't be able to install the piston system from the MASADA into an AR. I'm sure nothing at all is the same.
That doesn't mean that Magpul won't make a drop in system for ARs down the road but I doubt they will if and when they have success with the MASADA.
I think he's asking if he could put the Masada piston on his Noveske 12.5" barrel and use it in the Masada instead of the factory barrel.
I really have no answer for you...I assume it will be possible, but I don't know that any official decisions have been made. Maybe Drake can give a better answer.
I think he's asking if he could put the Masada piston on his Noveske 12.5" barrel and use it in the Masada instead of the factory barrel.
I really have no answer for you...I assume it will be possible, but I don't know that any official decisions have been made. Maybe Drake can give a better answer.
Yeah, that's what I meant. I assume Magpul will offer a pretty wide spectrum of barrels (maybe not at first, but after a while). I was just wondering if that was in the cards eventually.
You know how it is, Magpul could offer 47 different barrels, but there is always one guy that says "If only they had xxxx barrel, now that would something!"
I thought the Masada was going to use regular AR barrels?
I thought the Masada was going to use regular AR barrels?
He's asking if he can buy the gas piston to install on his own non-factory barrel.
LonghunterCO
01-10-08, 12:56
I thought the Masada was going to use regular AR barrels?
Yes a regular AR barrel, but with a prioritory gas/piston system and attachment mechinism to the trunnion in the receiver. The question is are these prioritory parts going to be available to the end user to add their own barrels or send to XYZ barrels to add to their latest greatest AR barrels going foward.
The problem I think is going to be the guide ring for the piston that has to be press fit onto the barrel. It has to be pressed on, and made sure that it is properly aligned, etc...
LonghunterCO
01-10-08, 15:26
I am sure that it is pressed on. I think that Magpul should sell press plates/fixture for us "do it yourself" guys to build our own barrels. ;)
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