View Full Version : AXR Liberty Series Rifle (An AUG that takes AR15 mags) Opinions please.
RogerinTPA
06-06-09, 10:50
Anyone have any info or experience with this weapon?
http://www.tpdusa.com/products.php?cat=5
Anyone have any info or experience with this weapon?
http://www.tpdusa.com/products.php?cat=5
Generally good user reviews although one person has recently reported some fairly serious problems at TOS:
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=43&t=280908
http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=43&t=281603
Small company, low output, long wait times for delivery (6+ months in some reported cases).
Tomac
RogerinTPA
06-06-09, 15:34
Disregard....thanks Tomac, it appears to be a dog.
Disregard....thanks Tomac, it appears to be a dog.
You're welcome. MSAR is soon to release a version of their STG-556 called the E4 that will take AR mags, I'm curious to see how well it performs.
Tomac
Littlelebowski
06-06-09, 15:41
Good luck trying to get one or even order one. I tried, I gave up.
RogerinTPA
06-06-09, 17:33
I don't know how old this company is but with all of the reliability and CS issues, it will surely fade into obscurity. Hopefully the STG556 will be a better attempt (read more reliable) to marry the AR Mag to an AUG type weapon system.
RogerinTPA
06-06-09, 17:40
Good luck trying to get one or even order one. I tried, I gave up.
From the Negative AAR's, you came out a winner not ordering one of those, saving you months of headaches and frustration. At least it saved you some serious coin for other firearm projects.
Littlelebowski
06-06-09, 20:06
From the Negative AAR's, you came out a winner not ordering one of those, saving you months of headaches and frustration. At least it saved you some serious coin for other firearm projects.
Yup, ended up buying the 5.45 S&W AR15. Great investment.
I tried every form of communication with TPDUSA and gave up.
Sorry to hear about your problems getting a hold of someone there. I email back and forth with them with regularity.
I've had my AXR since January. The major selling points for me were the billet receiver, AR mag compatibility, and Steyr parts compatibility.
http://www.sgtlmj.com/axr_r.gif
This doesn't sound good: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=43&t=281990
Tomac
Littlelebowski
06-07-09, 09:21
Sorry to hear about your problems getting a hold of someone there. I email back and forth with them with regularity.
I PMed the owner, emailed him, he finally told me to call him, I did so, then he told me to send him an email with my order, I did that, got no response, and sent another and gave up. Total time spent trying to get an order in about 4 months. Not trying to bash the guy nor his company.
Disregard....thanks Tomac, it appears to be a dog.
Our rifle is not a dog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeJSVfTg4LY
Out of all the rifles shipped we have two rifles with a stock issue, Steyr part, and it is a dog?
As for the difficulty in availability, that is a parts availability issue we are rectifying. We did not want to take money from customers without a sure delivery date. Now we know this is or can be industry standard, but TPD USA does not work that way.
I am surprised that when you run a company with the utmost integrity, do your all out best, that you are still slammed on the net regardless, especially at this superior website.
We have many happy customers and we will show them the best CS in the business.
Very Sincerely,
Kent Luttrell
President
TPD Inc.
This doesn't sound good: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=43&t=281990
Tomac
Shooting wolf voids the warranty and is highly discouraged.
Littlelebowski
06-08-09, 13:26
Kent, I want you to know that I did not mean to "slam" your company. I try to avoid this whenever possible. I posted what happened and have the sent emails to back it up. However, I would like to retract what I said about "companies that want to take my money;" that was not necessary and obviusly not true. My apologies for that. Post edited above.
decodeddiesel
06-08-09, 14:42
Shooting wolf voids the warranty and is highly discouraged.
Just curious, but why is that?
RogerinTPA
06-08-09, 17:26
double tap
RogerinTPA
06-08-09, 17:52
Our rifle is not a dog.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yeJSVfTg4LY
Out of all the rifles shipped we have two rifles with a stock issue, Steyr part, and it is a dog?
As for the difficulty in availability, that is a parts availability issue we are rectifying. We did not want to take money from customers without a sure delivery date. Now we know this is or can be industry standard, but TPD USA does not work that way.
I am surprised that when you run a company with the utmost integrity, do your all out best, that you are still slammed on the net regardless, especially at this superior website.
We have many happy customers and we will show them the best CS in the business.
Very Sincerely,
Kent Luttrell
President
TPD Inc.
My apologies for calling your weapon system a dog.
It does however, appear to have too many reliability issues and negative feed back from the above links, for me to invest in at this time. It appears to have "teething" issues that Id rather not be part of. What I come to expect is an out of the box, use any common mag, use any common ammo, weapon system that I can rely and bet my life on, just like my ARs.
As for the "Wolf ammo voids the warranty" thing, I have ran north of 14,000 rounds of Wolf, with maybe 3 issues total in 4 ARs. One being a bad mag and 2 being a worn extractor, on the same weapon, during the same class, not associated with the ammo. So the question remains, why can't yours do it?
Check out this Youtube link where it jams on the various AR mags.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkNKwyLwBU8
Here's another using a 30 round Pmag. Note the number of malfunctions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVgsglET41I
If in the future, your company have fixed the reliability issues, before STG fields there version, then I will gladly reconsider purchasing this weapon system.
Based on the videos, I'm thinking the mags aren't sitting high enough.
the round is being pushed against the feed ramps and it's rising to the chamber in a very steep manner, thus causing the case head of the round to slip downward from the bolt lugs and causing a misfeed.
MSAR had feeding problems from the start and ended up hogging out the bottom of the trunion into one big feedramp rather than two individual ramps like the M4 extensions.
http://www.msarinc.com/images/trunnion.jpg
MSAR is still having some growing pains, with feed issues, extractor timing and metallurgical problems.
The key is customer service and how the company ultimately handles the problems. Both companies seem to be very responsive. I know some will say that the best CS is the one you don't have to use, but the rifle that doesn't fail is the rifle that hasn't been built.
Littlelebowski
06-09-09, 04:36
I know some will say that the best CS is the one you don't have to use, but the rifle that doesn't fail is the rifle that hasn't been built.
Very well put.
MSAR had feeding problems from the start and ended up hogging out the bottom of the trunion into one big feedramp rather than two individual ramps like the M4 extensions.
http://www.msarinc.com/images/trunnion.jpg
MSAR is still having some growing pains, with feed issues, extractor timing and metallurgical problems.
The key is customer service and how the company ultimately handles the problems. Both companies seem to be very responsive. I know some will say that the best CS is the one you don't have to use, but the rifle that doesn't fail is the rifle that hasn't been built.
We're these trunion/feed modifications generational differences or different iterations within the same version?
We're these trunion/feed modifications generational differences or different iterations within the same version?
They recalled around 150 of the first run of limited edition rifles and replaced some parts. I think the trunion was changed shortly after that, and has been that way ever since.
My apologies for calling your weapon system a dog.
It does however, appear to have too many reliability issues and negative feed back from the above links, for me to invest in at this time. It appears to have "teething" issues that Id rather not be part of. What I come to expect is an out of the box, use any common mag, use any common ammo, weapon system that I can rely and bet my life on, just like my ARs.
As for the "Wolf ammo voids the warranty" thing, I have ran north of 14,000 rounds of Wolf, with maybe 3 issues total in 4 ARs. One being a bad mag and 2 being a worn extractor, on the same weapon, during the same class, not associated with the ammo. So the question remains, why can't yours do it?
Check out this Youtube link where it jams on the various AR mags.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FkNKwyLwBU8
Here's another using a 30 round Pmag. Note the number of malfunctions:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dVgsglET41I
If in the future, your company have fixed the reliability issues, before STG fields there version, then I will gladly reconsider purchasing this weapon system.
Again, two rifles out of hundreds...
Here is a video of the two rifles we cleaned one and replaced the "Steyr" stock on the other, probably not even necessary to replace it but better to do it than not.
Why can't our rifle handle wolf? That is not the question really, more to the point is why would you.
Dirty, irregular steel case in a rifle with a chamber built for brass expansion rates.
Could you, yes, will I warranty my rifle against it, no.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OsX3fMYyGc
I hope this helps dispel any "teething" issues you may think we have.
TPD
This doesn't sound good: http://www.ar15.com/forums/topic.html?b=6&f=43&t=281990
Tomac
This sounds good:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3OsX3fMYyGc
TPD
Just curious, but why is that?
+1 WOLF may not be the best stuff, but its not a weapon killer and id seriously question any weapon that WOLF is forbidden to use in, though I do know a lot of companies have that disclaimer
Littlelebowski
06-11-09, 05:57
If my $900 ARs can handle Wolf, I expect the same of more expensive combat pattern rifles.
If my $900 ARs can handle Wolf, I expect the same of more expensive combat pattern rifles.
+1 I know a few people who wont trust a weapon unless it runs WOLF, they use better ammo but its one of their musts. For me its about practicality and shooting more at the range
RogerinTPA
06-11-09, 16:59
Why can't our rifle handle wolf? That is not the question really, more to the point is why would you.
Simple economics. It provides me more trigger time without braking the bank. IFAIK, as other's have state, if a weapon system can't handle Wolf, it's not worth my coin. In the AR world, only the substandard AR's can't handle Wolf. My 2 Colts (6920's), 1 LMT MRP and 1 Saber Defense Middy/Colt lower, eats Wolf all day long.
Dirty, irregular steel case in a rifle with a chamber built for brass expansion rates.
So has every weapon that has ever been made, besides black powder guns. It appears that your weapon is having a difficult time digesting brass.
I hope this helps dispel any "teething" issues you may think we have.
Not really, but it was entertaining reading your response. I wish you success with this weapon, but I'm afraid I'll have to pass for a more reliable system where I'm not roped into a continuous and perpetual "Return via shipping" loop....;)
I won't shoot steel cased ammo through any of my weapons, except my crusty old MAK90 that will eat anything, and only cost me $200. Modern weapons are designed around brass-cased ammo.
Modern weapons are designed around brass-cased ammo.
In what way?
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