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Just wanted to get a little info and some pics up on the PMags. These are truly outstanding mags. I never did care for the Orlite and Thermolds of old. Thankfully, these are NOT them. :D These mags are to me, every bit as stout, strong, and functional as a metal mag. I know Rich isnt saying these are meant to be a replacement for regular GI mags, etc., but they may very well end up doing just that.
For now, I have only done some dry runs and such, but I plan to get to the range ASAP for some live fire.
Everything about these are first class. Follower moves VERY smoothly inside the mag, is typical of standard Magpul anti tilt followers in that there is zero tilting front or rear. Hand cycling rounds though the mag by manually working the bolt produced no issues. Floor plates are easily removeable for disassembly and cleaning. Its also my understanding that floor plates with Ranger plates and Lumpy Plates (my favorite) are planned.
As seen at SHOT, repeatedly stomping on these on a concrete floor by grown and often overweight men, produced zero casualties for the mags, but maybe a few sore ankles among the stompers.
Feed lips..... is has been raised by folks, pretty much any polymer will begin to give over time if a constant pressure is exerted on it in areas like the feed lips. Rich has an ingenius solution for this via a covering tab that goes over the top of the mag and is self locking. Not only does this effectively seal the mag from debris, but it also pushesthe rounds down in the mag so that they are not in contact with the feed lips, thus removing any pressure in that area (even with 30 rounds loaded). They could be fully loaded and with the covering tab in place, left that way indefinitely I think, and still be ready to go. The tab has a raised portion in the rear for removal. There are a number of ways to do this, such as using the tip of your thumb when holding the mag, catching it on a belt, or gear somewhere, or even on the bottom of the magazine well. It only takes a fraction of a second to do. I think that they might even be caught on the edge of a mag pouch when the magzine is being withdrawn and simultaneously come off as the mag is removed from the pouch. I am going to experiment with this and will pass on my results.
The mags lock very positively into the mag well with very little rattle/movement. They wont drop free from my LAR/Spikes lower, but do drop freely from my GTS lowers. Not a concern for me as I always plan and train to pull the mag from the mag well anyway. After repeated insertions and removals of one mag, it is not showing any noticeable wear on the mag catch area. Lastly, Lula loaders work perfectly with them. :D
My initial impressions are that I will own a LOT of these mags. Even if they do not turn out to have quite the same longevity of a metal mag, the price point allows for losses and affordable replacements very easily. Honestly, the price on these is almost too good to be true. Here are a few pics just to give you a little visual on them. Again, hopefully Rich and company will chime in with better and more detailed info once they are settled back in from SHOT.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/PMag1.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/PMag2.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/PMag3.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/PMag4.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/PMag5.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/PMag6.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/PMag7.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/PMag8.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/PMag9.jpg
So, what is the projected street price?
I believe that MSRP is still supposed to be around $12 for the non window version, and $15 with the window.
Couple of additional notes....
30 rounds load very easily in the mag. Inserting the fully loaded 30 round mag on a closed bolt is darn near effortless. If you cant seat one of these mag fully loaded on a closed bolt, you have some things to be worried about.
Are they longer than conventional 30 round mags?
Will there be a integral/adapted Ranger plate for them?
It's good to hear that! So far I really like what I' ve seen of the PMags but I was a bit concerned about them being "Not for hard use.".
I look forward to seeing how your testing goes.
Are they longer than conventional 30 round mags?
Almost the exact length of a standard mag with a Lumpy plate. CProducts SS one shown below.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/Pmag10.jpg
Will there be a integral/adapted Ranger plate for them?
Kev, I'm not sure exactly how Rich plans to work the Ranger plates and Lumpy plates. Just said that they were planned.
Almost the exact length of a standard mag with a Lumpy plate. CProducts SS one shown below.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/Pmag10.jpg
That's interesting. Given your earlier post, that a full mag can easily be seated on a closed bolt, I would have expected them to be a tad longer. Can you venture a guess as to how they manage that? Followers ought to be the same and I can't imagine any more internal room (in fact, I'd expect less internal volume since I'm guessing their polymer/plastic walls would be thicker tha a aluminum mag's walls). If so, very interesting.
Since they seem a hair longer it looks like they were designed to hold thirty rounds.
That's interesting. Given your earlier post, that a full mag can easily be seated on a closed bolt, I would have expected them to be a tad longer. Can you venture a guess as to how they manage that? Followers ought to be the same and I can't imagine any more internal room (in fact, I'd expect less internal volume since I'm guessing their polymer/plastic walls would be thicker tha a aluminum mag's walls). If so, very interesting.
Maybe this will explain that. The body itself is a tad longer. The floor plate goes around the outside of the mag body thus hiding some of its true length. Look at this pic and notice where the bottom of each mag body ends.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/Pmag11.jpg
Let me go ahead and say this before anyone has a hissy fit and gets their thong in a wad. I am not saying these are any BETTER than a metal GI mag, in regards to strength. All I am saying is that from what I have seen and tried myself so far of them, they are at least as strong as a metal GI mag. I have no way of knowing if they will be capable of the same longevity, etc. Only time will tell that.
Let me go ahead and say this before anyone has a hissy fit and gets their thong in a wad. I am not saying these are any BETTER than a metal GI mag, in regards to strength. All I am saying is that from what I have seen and tried myself so far of them, they are at least as strong as a metal GI mag. I have no way of knowing if they will be capable of the same longevity, etc. Only time will tell that.
I agree. I did however see some large human beings jumping on them, that would have crushed an Alum mag. The real question is going to be how they hold up to cold weather and being dropped on concrete and how the lips hold up.
C4
I agree. I did however see some large human beings jumping on them, that would have crushed an Alum mag. The real question is going to be how they hold up to cold weather and being dropped on concrete and how the lips hold up.
C4
How can you declare that when you've never fired one? Lets not be silly.
:rolleyes:
Indeed. Time and more testing will tell. I wont be able to help much with the cold testing, but for some reason I dont think they'll have any trouble finding some cool weather in CO. to try that aspect out. :D
Like I said elsewhere, please forgive my enthusiasm over these. There arent many things that truly excite me, and these have. YMMV
How can you declare that when you've never fired one? Lets not be silly.
:rolleyes:
Indeed. Time and more testing will tell. I wont be able to help much with the cold testing, but for some reason I dont think they'll have any trouble finding some cool weather in CO. to try that aspect out. :D
Like I said elsewhere, please forgive my enthusiasm over these. There arent many things that truly excite me, and these have. YMMV
I like the mags so much, that I ordered 100 in every color and am planning on getting some dipped in multicam! :D
C4
I think I may have to get some of these.
When are they supposed to be available through the retailers?
Heavy Metal
01-14-07, 15:49
I like the mags so much, that I ordered 100 in every color and am planning on getting some dipped in multicam! :D
C4
I call dibs on 20 in OD. Put me down Grant!
I am starting to like multicam. I may have to pick up a few of those myself when you get them done.
Razorhunter
01-14-07, 16:54
Hawkeye,
What are Magpul "Lumpy Plates"??? Never heard of them...
Also,
Can anyone tell me about the regular Magpul mags, which have that clear window to see the rounds inside??? Are those mags actually manufactured by C Products????
Thanks.
Maybe this will explain that. The body itself is a tad longer. The floor plate goes around the outside of the mag body thus hiding some of its true length. Look at this pic and notice where the bottom of each mag body ends.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Magpul/Pmag11.jpg
Ah, now I see. Very good pic.
Hawkeye,
What are Magpul "Lumpy Plates"??? Never heard of them...
Also,
Can anyone tell me about the regular Magpul mags, which have that clear window to see the rounds inside??? Are those mags actually manufactured by C Products????
Thanks.
L plates. The flat rubber base plates that magpul makes such as on the above pic, left mag.
Yes, the metal mags with the Magpul view window are CProducts mags.
Just a word on the view windows. The PMags will be available with and without it. It is not to view the rounds in the mag though. There is a colord mark on the mag spring. When the mag is empty, you cant see the mark. Fully loaded with 30 rounds, the mark will be visible in the bottom of the window. Half full or approx 15 rounds, mark will be in the middle. Only a few rounds left, mark will be at the top of the window.
Grant I'd like one Black and one FDE with windows to start off with...
I call dibs on 20 in OD. Put me down Grant!
Sold! :D
C4
Grant I'd like one Black and one FDE with windows to start off with...
Please send me an e-mail and I will put you and anyone else that wants to get on my back order list. sales@grtactical.com
C4
I am starting to like multicam. I may have to pick up a few of those myself when you get them done.
I think I am going to have some SF G2's done in the Multicam as well. :D
C4
Grant - I'll take two of the black PMags with the window please. Just let me know when they come in.
My right leg is sore from stomping on these stupid things all weekend. By Sunday, instead of stomping on them myself I would find the largest man in the booth and ask him to try his best. I never could get one to crack, but I'll do that this week even if it means running them over with Richard's tractor.
Regarding the feed lips, I've personally witnessed one of our engineers load a PMAG with 30 solid brass dummy rounds and drop it lips down on the concrete in our warehouse without incident. By no means is that scientific, but it certainly exceeded my expectations. You will see better tests and posted results in the coming weeks and months, I assure you.
So when you make a batch are you gonna repeatedly do the stomp test and then when it passes mark that batch with something like SST for Super Stomp Test? Then maybe one day we can fight about mags marked versus non marked mags...
:D
So when you make a batch are you gonna repeatedly do the stomp test and then when it passes mark that batch with something like SST for Super Stomp Test? Then maybe one day we can fight about mags marked versus non marked mags...
:D
One gentleman from another company bit the magazine when we asked him to step on it...that was interesting.
One gentleman from another company bit the magazine when we asked him to step on it...that was interesting.
It was probably better than the hotdog..... :D
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_8822%20Stick.jpg
yeah, i don't like getting bit in the hot dog either...
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_8822%20Stick.jpg
Once we get the production PMAGs from the molders I'll pack you a care package. :)
Nick,
Thanks brother, if you are still awake and are close to sober, give me a call.
Nick- in case it's not quite clear, you are looking at a Pmag. He already got his care package. It's MINE that hasn't shown up yet...
Nick- in case it's not quite clear, you are looking at a Pmag. He already got his care package. It's MINE that hasn't shown up yet...
If you start shooting photos as well as Stickman, and bend over backwards to get me my shots literally within hours of my deadline after tearing open an over-night package from UPS, we can work something out. :p
Stickman saved my ass BIGTIME with our catalog. Anyone who has seen our spiral bound booklet will recognize his work. :D
Nick,
Thanks brother, if you are still awake and are close to sober, give me a call.
Ring ring...
Email sent to grant to claim 4 of them... if you get them to me early.. I can cold wether test them up here.....;)
Close enough, maybe?
http://suicidehz.zoto.com/img/800x600x1/4974da6c44d6f24f1bd588ed36255182-.jpg
I agree. I did however see some large human beings jumping on them, that would have crushed an Alum mag. The real question is going to be how they hold up to cold weather and being dropped on concrete and how the lips hold up.
C4
I got -10 on my front porch thermometer send me a couple and I'll be happy to test
them for ya....:)
I got -10 on my front porch thermometer send me a couple and I'll be happy to test
them for ya....:)
These mags are being put through the ringer as we speak. I'm sure details of the testing will be released as soon as we have them, but I can promise they are being thoroughly abused. ;)
I got -10 on my front porch thermometer send me a couple and I'll be happy to test
them for ya....:)
shameless... ;)
shameless... ;)
A couple of the HK reps' jaws hit the floor when they saw me stomping on the PMAG on concrete as hard as I could. I shouted at them to bring me an HK plastic mag to test, and they were offended. "I cannot authorize that." I even offered to trade them one for one, but no dice.
A couple of the HK reps' jaws hit the floor when they saw me stomping on the PMAG on concrete as hard as I could. I shouted at them to bring me an HK plastic mag to test, and they were offended. "I cannot authorize that." I even offered to trade them one for one, but no dice.
That's funny...
Speaking of shameless plugs....
My nephew is gonna graduate from Stout Univ 'plastic engineering' & ROTC...
We got him his first AR and It's loaded with Magpul goodies...
He is very stoked over MASADA...and Magpul...and loves CO....
GLOCKCRAZZ
01-17-07, 11:01
Grant,
I'd like to try out one Black and one FDE with the windows.
Will the come with the covers? I just sent you an e-mail.
A couple of the HK reps' jaws hit the floor when they saw me stomping on the PMAG on concrete as hard as I could. I shouted at them to bring me an HK plastic mag to test, and they were offended. "I cannot authorize that." I even offered to trade them one for one, but no dice.
I'd be happy to wring them out for you....
Just put them and my grandkids in a room for 30 minutes..tell them these are really important and not too touch them....
If they survive this they are G2G....:)
Grant,
I'd like to try out one Black and one FDE with the windows.
Will the come with the covers? I just sent you an e-mail.
You sent me an email? For some reason I'm not getting anything. Shoot me a private message.
You sent me an email? For some reason I'm not getting anything. Shoot me a private message.
I think he sent that to Grant. ;)
I think he sent that to Grant. ;)
I'm not very good at that whole "reading" thing. :(
:D
On a different note... I did load 15 rounds of 6.8 ammo into my PMag. At 15, it had a lot of resistance to any more being loaded. I pushed them out from the rear as if they were feeding, and they all came out quite easily. Nothing scientific I know, but, I'd bet that with the proper follower and a little tweaking these could handle 6.8 just fine.
:D
On a different note... I did load 15 rounds of 6.8 ammo into my PMag. At 15, it had a lot of resistance to any more being loaded. I pushed them out from the rear as if they were feeding, and they all came out quite easily. Nothing scientific I know, but, I'd bet that with the proper follower and a little tweaking these could handle 6.8 just fine.
Damn...tight fit. You can fit 31 .223 rounds in those things.
With a 6.8 follower in it, I wonder how much diference that would make? I'm sure Rich could find some way to make 25 rnd 6.8 mags out of them.
With a 6.8 follower in it, I wonder how much diference that would make? I'm sure Rich could find some way to make 25 rnd 6.8 mags out of them.
I've been bugging our engineers and designers to work on something, but I think a new magazine project will be a ways down the road, all things considered.
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/smaller/D100_8841_img.jpg (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8841_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8841_img.jpg)
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/smaller/D100_8898_img.jpg (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8898_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8898_img.jpg)
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/smaller/D100_8905_img.jpg (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8905_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8905_img.jpg)
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/smaller/D100_8974_img.jpg (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8974_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8974_img.jpg)
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/smaller/D100_8992_img.jpg (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8992_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8992_img.jpg)
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/smaller/D100_8998_img.jpg (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8998_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_8998_img.jpg)
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/smaller/D100_9002_img.jpg (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_9002_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_9002_img.jpg)
[ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/Magpul-PMag/?small=D100_9002_img.jpg)
:rofl
Bite tested by the best! We need shirts...
NICK B
I see you have a pistol holster on your rig that is in ACUPat.:D
Where can I see more about this holster and the items that allow it to be connected like you have it on your rig...
Tango in advance:cool:
Is that the new "Bite-a-mag?"
ETA: that UBR is beautiful. How much? All new tube and parts, right?
Sure, give it to Drake...he'll eat anything. Probably had a slightly better texture than the sandwich's at SHOT.
:D
NICK B
I see you have a pistol holster on your rig that is in ACUPat.:D
Where can I see more about this holster and the items that allow it to be connected like you have it on your rig...
Tango in advance:cool:
Sorry man, the pic isn't me - that's Drake!
Is that the new "Bite-a-mag?"
ETA: that UBR is beautiful. How much? All new tube and parts, right?
Inside joke - a rep from another company decided to bite the magazine instead of stepping on it to test its strength. I wish I had been there, but Drake and Doug were in awe. Now we want t-shirts...
Why was it said in a previous thread that these are not considered as extreme duty mags? Sounds like they are plenty tough. Am looking forward to the test results. Specialy interested as to how the area wears at the mag catch.
Inside joke - a rep from another company decided to bite the magazine instead of stepping on it to test its strength. I wish I had been there, but Drake and Doug were in awe. Now we want t-shirts...
All I can picture is the "Jaws" character from the Bond films.
Richard Kiel (http://www.richardkiel.com/Photos.html)
Why was it said in a previous thread that these are not considered as extreme duty mags? Sounds like they are plenty tough. Am looking forward to the test results. Specialy interested as to how the area wears at the mag catch.
They were designed as "limited firing, disposable magazines", but thus far they have far exceeded all of our expectations. The current word is that they are still "limited firing, disposable magazines", but we'll see how the tests come back.
Jay Cunningham
01-20-07, 15:09
They were designed as "limited firing, disposable magazines", but thus far they have far exceeded all of our expectations. The current word is that they are still "limited firing, disposable magazines", but we'll see how the tests come back.
In my opinion that is very smart marketing. MagPul is understating the product instead of the usual overstating. Now, instead of people saying that they don't live up to the hype, people are saying that they exceed expectations.
Very smart indeed.
In my opinion that is very smart marketing. MagPul is understating the product instead of the usual overstating. Now, instead of people saying that they don't live up to the hype, people are saying that they exceed expectations.
Very smart indeed.
Very true, but honestly, I don't think that was a marketing decision. The general attitude around the company is that modesty is a virtue. If a product is better or worse than we say it is, word will get around regardless of what we claim. No sense in over-promising and under-delivering, you know?
Nick, :)
Please ask Drake about the ACUPAT Holster and the attachments that allows it to be placed on the MOLLE set-up vest.
You guys sound like you have a great time at work making the best products I know of...:cool: :cool: :cool:
Thanxs
Nick, :)
Please ask Drake about the ACUPAT Holster and the attachments that allows it to be placed on the MOLLE set-up vest.
You guys sound like you have a great time at work making the best products I know of...:cool: :cool: :cool:
Thanxs
You have no idea how cool my job is. Do you realize they flew me to Florida for a week and paid me to drink beer and talk about guns? 99% of this forum would do that for FREE! :cool:
Nick, :)
Please ask Drake about the ACUPAT Holster and the attachments that allows it to be placed on the MOLLE set-up vest. ...
Looks like a Blade-Tech holster to me. LINKY THINGY (http://www.blade-tech.com/Tactical-Chest-Rig-pr-970.html)
http://www.tacticaltailor.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=47
Looks like a Blade-Tech holster to me. LINKY THINGY (http://www.blade-tech.com/Tactical-Chest-Rig-pr-970.html)
Tactical Tailor has something kind of similar -- they have 45 degree and 90 degree panels you can add, and then you could attach whatever holster you wanted.
Panels (http://www.tacticaltailor.com/index.asp?PageAction=VIEWCATS&Category=47)
Looks like a Blade-Tech holster to me. LINKY THINGY (http://www.blade-tech.com/Tactical-Chest-Rig-pr-970.html)
You got it. Love this holster. I get a lot of neg. feed back on the positioning on the vest but shit, it works for me. Quick on the draw, no thigh rig (hate those things, they wiggle around too much when I run), not an issue in low crawls and does not catch up on sling/gear.
http://www.blade-tech.com/product_images/d_253.jpg
http://www.blade-tech.com/product_images/d_241.jpg
http://www.blade-tech.com/product_images/d_290.jpg
I think peoples dislike about that holster placement is that your covering your own arm/chest when shooting another weapon. I think that if that is where you like it and are comfortable with where it is pointed then it doesn't matter what folks think (as they don't have to wear it).
C4
Finally got to get some range time with my PMag today. Only ran about 250 rounds through it, but it ran flawlessly. Dropped it in some wet dirt and dry sand a time or two. You could hear it crunching and grinding inside. Still ran without issue. As a side note, I loaded this mag the day I got home from SHOT with a full 30 rounds, put on the cap, and thats how it has stayed with teh exception of it being unloaded for a few minutes once to run some dry fire drills with. I know that 250 rounds is not a large number to go by, but I really think these mags are going work great.
Code3Patriot
01-27-07, 22:54
Thanks for the range report. I can't wait for the PMag (and the UBR) to come out.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_8810%20Stick.jpg
http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/ArmaliteA2/smaller/D100_9582_img.jpg (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/ArmaliteA2/?small=D100_9582_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigod.org/~zak/DigiCam/ArmaliteA2/?small=D100_9582_img.jpg)
Good to hear Hawk. We put 1000+ through one last week. Ran very well. Still looking at the end of Feb. for full production.
Finally got to get some range time with my PMag today. Only ran about 250 rounds through it, but it ran flawlessly. Dropped it in some wet dirt and dry sand a time or two. You could hear it crunching and grinding inside. Still ran without issue. As a side note, I loaded this mag the day I got home from SHOT with a full 30 rounds, put on the cap, and thats how it has stayed with teh exception of it being unloaded for a few minutes once to run some dry fire drills with. I know that 250 rounds is not a large number to go by, but I really think these mags are going work great.
I've been out of the country for a couple of weeks. Are the P-mags available yet?
I've been out of the country for a couple of weeks. Are the P-mags available yet?
In the post right above yours:
Good to hear Hawk. We put 1000+ through one last week. Ran very well. Still looking at the end of Feb. for full production.
Who is selling them?
No, not yet, but I am taking back orders! :D
C4
Heavy Metal
02-03-07, 11:50
No, not yet, but I am taking back orders! :D
C4
And who is at the top of that backorder list for OD?:D
And who is at the top of that backorder list for OD?:D
You of course! ;)
C4
How much per mag? I don't mind being on the backorder list...:)
How much per mag? I don't mind being on the backorder list...:)
I think it is $11 and $14.
C4
OK thanks Grant. I looked back and saw that I had asked to be on the list for two black mags with windows. That request still stands. Just let me know when to order.
The internet connection at hotels in Germany sucks. I've grown so accustomed to having an in room broadband connection from any old Hampton Inn or Holiday Inn Express that traveling in Europe is like going back in time.
It's good to be back in the good old US of A.
I think it is $11 and $14.
C4
Drake indicated over at LF.net that the MSRP was going to be $14.95 and $17.95 as I recall. Are you going to be selling them for the price you listed above Grant or was that the last price quote you had received?
I had seen 11.95 and 14.95 a month or so ago...
I had seen 11.95 and 14.95 a month or so ago...
Understood. When I mentioned this over at LF.net, Drake said production costs had gone up due to some unexpected issues. This was as of yesterday. $15 is still a good price for those mags.
Considering they are supposed to be what again? Cheap mags to have in addition to your regular steel or aluminum? Isn't that what was said a month or two ago?
I think they are still stronger than I'll ever need them to be and will definitely buy a few to be in the "in crowd" :)
Sweet Mags, where can I pick some up?
Sweet Mags, where can I pick some up?
They are not out yet, but I am taking back orders if interested.
C4
Grant -
When you say "backorders", are you taking orders on your website or just keeping a list?
They are not out yet, but I am taking back orders if interested.
C4
Grant, put me down for 10 of the window versions in FDE or whatever variation of brown you get in stock.
I posted this comment on another board, but I'll mention it here as well. The PMAGs that I have continue to run with boring and monotonous reliability. Several other instructors have been been playing with them as well, and opinions all tend to run the same.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_9212%20Stick.jpg
That is one outstanding pic...Stick...
thanks...
Thankyou, I've played around with the PMAGs quite a bit, and have ended up with a stack of PMAG pics.
Stick would you happen to know the weight on one of these compared to an aluminum mag?
USGI alum. mag .375 lbs with Magpul follower.
PMAG windowed .325 lbs
Stick would you happen to know the weight on one of these compared to an aluminum mag?
Robb Jensen
02-07-07, 06:34
I'd like to get a couple to T&E. These seem to be very promising.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_8797%20Stick.jpg
We'll start shipping PMAG's next week. Remember that there are a lot of dealers that have pre ordered these so it may be a few days before customers will see them. Dealers should be getting them the first week of March. We're suggesting right off the bat that you go to a dealer to buy your PMAG's. We are honoring dealer orders prior to individual orders. Enjoy and hit us up with feed back, good or bad when their in your hands.
By the way, here is a vid of the "PMAG smash" in motion.Video (http://certops.com/certops/CERTChanMagpul07.html)
Nice Video
One thing thought, when you pronounce the word Sabot.. it's Pronounced
SAY-BO (The T is silent.) Sabot is a french word that translates to Wooden Shoe.
Just so ya know..;)
I've heard that before, just can't stop.
Nice Video
One thing thought, when you pronounce the word Sabot.. it's Pronounced
SAY-BO (The T is silent.) Sabot is a french word that translates to Wooden Shoe.
Just so ya know..;)
This is wierd, but SABOT (Pronounced "Sah Bow") is actually originated in Chinese.:D
It is related in a domestic industrial frustration in China, many, many years ago, please dont ask, I dont know... But the word Means, "solid or wooden shoes" used by many peasants of the day. The wierd part is the workers were so mad, even then, about their treatment that they threw their wooden shoes into the factory machinery and it was broken... "Sabotage" is based upon this weird situation...:eek:
The really weird part is that I heard this in a Star Trek Movie. I did not believe it. I am here in Malaysia and I asked a Chinese teacher and he said it was wierd but it was true. :D
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This new test video is a little unorthodox. If there is any doubt of the PMAG's strength this should change your mind. Just watch it, you'll see.
PMAG Video (http://www.magpul.com/movie/pmag-trucktest-small.wmv)
And yes, we know this is not "a real world" situation, just helps show strength.
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And yes, we know this is not "a real world" situation, just helps show strength.
Looks good.
Sab-oh and say-bo are both correct ways of pronunciation and the Chinese never wore wooden shoes- at least not the same ones Europeans did which is where this originated. It did NOT originate in China.
Sab-oh and say-bo are both correct ways of pronunciation and the Chinese never wore wooden shoes- at least not the same ones Europeans did which is where this originated. It did NOT originate in China.
You beat me to it.. Nothing Chinese about it.... it's all French.
Stick...nice P-Mag pic
And it wasnt even upside down.....or was it?
Well regardless it's a nice pic....
BTW where the heck did you find "dark earth" concrete?....
I like it....
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This new test video is a little unorthodox. If there is any doubt of the PMAG's strength this should change your mind. Just watch it, you'll see.
PMAG Video (http://www.magpul.com/movie/pmag-trucktest-small.wmv)
And yes, we know this is not "a real world" situation, just helps show strength.
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"i'd shoot it" :D
can't wait to get a few!
that's his regular concrete basement floor with a faux finish...
:p
We were pretty impressed when we T&E'd the PMAG but these are still on backorder; have not received any delivery date confirmation for those that we are waiting for. They're pretty much worth the price.
I can't wait to get my grubby mitts on some :D
I'd take 20 or so.. That sold me!!!
I know everyone is anxious for these. I am myself. All I can say is trust me.....these will be worth whatever little wait there is.
Gunner Sabot tank....................
Stick...nice P-Mag pic
And it wasnt even upside down.....or was it?
Well regardless it's a nice pic....
BTW where the heck did you find "dark earth" concrete?....
I like it....
I try to keep pictures from being usual and boring, but in the above case, it as all I could come up with....
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/P1010028a%20Stick.jpg
Well I guess it's not just another polymer magazine. Very impressive.
John Fettes
02-28-07, 17:51
Will they make 20's?
Thanks,
John
We're thinking about it. No solid plans as of yet.
Will they make 20's?
Thanks,
John
Who will be carrying them over here? Id like to get on the list! I have heard good things about these mags so far! Cant wait!
Grunt Out!
FlyAndFight
03-01-07, 21:53
I'm really impressed so far. That last video was great. Loved the "grind" test... :D
John_Wayne777
03-02-07, 11:14
I'm definitely in for 9 or 10 of 'em.....
Is there a difference in strength of the body between the mags with the window and the ones without?
Thanks
We just did the truck test on the windowed version. Vid will be up soon.
We just did the truck test on the windowed version. Vid will be up soon.
I'm going to go out on a limb here and guess that you did more damage to your gas gauge than you did to the windowed PMAG?
The windowed one I have is as solid as all the non-windowed variants I've played with.
Please ship then already :) :) For the price they will be hard to beat!
LMAO at "the grind" test. Too funny.
And the window Mag vs. Chevy.http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4BA-EdEAHVA
They are not out yet, but I am taking back orders if interested.
C4
I am very interested. 1 black, 1 coyote, and 1 in OD. Thanx;)
Here's a write up from one of the Fellas that we work with that did some T&E on the PMAG. A little long, good info though.
March 02, 2007
Today, I received 2 windowless black P-Mags from Magpul for T&E. To say the least, I am very surprised at the rugged high quality of this piece of equipment. They are not what I thought they would be. These are possibly the best polymer magazines made on the planet. I am used to the high quality gear that Magpul has been famous for designing but I believe this piece is the best so far. They are definitely well made and after watching the Chevy vs. P-Mag videos I now see why they survived. They are solid! Not at all thin like the thermolds I have used in the past. The base is perfect for grabbing on a speed reload, and the mags fit perfectly in all of my gear. Most importantly, they fit in my fast reload FB pouches by Eagle Industries. Before seeing the P-Mag first hand, I wondered if it would accept the stripper clip loading spoon used by our military. I observed grooves cut into the top of the mag body where the spoon should fit and figured I’d give it a try. The spoon snapped on like a glove and all thirty rounds were easily pushed into the magazine just like they were intended. The P-Mags were filled to 30 rounds and the impact covers snapped on tightly to protect them from dirt, drop damage, and most importantly, to take the pressure off of the feed lips by pushing down on the top round in the mag. The magazines did not bulge, even slightly. I then grabbed my Colt Commando and attempted to load the full magazine into the mag well on a closed bolt. This usually proves to be difficult with fully loaded USGI magazines. The P-Mag went in smoothly and snapped securely in place with hardly any upward pressure. I repeated this with both P-Mags numerous times, and there wasn’t the slightest snag or drag while inserting the fully loaded magazines. Upon emptying the P-Mags, I performed the same task just as easily. Empty or loaded, the P-Mags dropped free without any snag or drag. In the past, I’ve had trouble inserting my USGI mags (Magpul follower and Lumpy plate equipped downloaded to 28 rounds) in the well of my commando while the bolt is forward. I usually have to push it in and give it a good tap for it to snap into place. So far, I am very impressed with the solid well made design of the P-Mag. They seem to be bullet proof. I’ll head to the range tomorrow and see how they perform under fire.
March 03, 2007
We went to Adrenaline Proving Grounds in Greenville, TX to test the mags during live fire. To say the least, they held up a hell of a lot better than I ever thought a magazine could. I put them through quite a few drop tests on concrete, hard packed dirt/rock, loose dirt and on a railroad tie with nothing but a scratch or two to show for it. During live fire, I loaded all the mags using USGI green tip ammo on stripper clips. After getting them very dirty, they still continued to load easily. I kicked them, threw them on the road, and into the backstop. I covered and stomped them in the loose dirt of the backstop. I then picked them up gave them a shake and started firing. They worked on semi and full auto at any angle you could think of firing them. There were no problems dropping free, even after all of the dirt that was on/in them. They continued to fire like a champ. I did this no less than 40 times and they continued to run and gun. There were only two problems during the T&E. One was with an individual round and no fault to the P-Mag. The other was one of the times I had stomped, kicked, dropped and covered the mag in dirt and didn’t give it a shaking off. I started firing and the gun stopped. After close inspection to make sure it wasn’t the weapon or ammo, I observed that the follower had gotten stuck inside the mag. After tipping the mag upside down a couple of rounds fell out. Knowing what the problem was I just slapped the back of the mag on my leg. You heard the spring slam up and lock the other rounds back into place. I re-inserted the mag and fired the rest of the rounds on full auto without a hitch. I then picked the other mag out of the dirt and did the same without a problem. I had shot both mags earlier in the day, but did not have my wife to hold the camera for me. We came back that afternoon and did it all over again filming some of the testing. I put approximately 800-1000 rounds through the mags along with a few ounces (if not pounds) of dirt on semi-auto and mostly on full auto. In my opinion, these are some of the best made, if not the best mags on the earth. They have definitely surpassed what I thought they could be put through and continued to work. I know what would have happened had I done half of that to my USGI mags. I’d be a few short! They are good to go for hard use in my book. They are the heat boys and girls, and I can’t wait for ten in black and ten in desert earth for my personal and professional use.
Officer Edit for privacy
Garland PD Swat
APG Small Arms Instructor
Hypothetical PMag questions:
Anyone put a bullet through one yet? I've ran into a few aluminum ones that took bullet hits and it wasn't uncommon for the aluminum to bend in and jam the magazine. I'm wondering if the Pmag would just punch a hole or what?
Anyone hacked some hunks of the feedlips up with file/knife to see if they still feed well?
Will these melt? If I say run 5-10 mags through a rifle as fast as I can, and then put Pmag in the gun, will the heat from the rifle's guts melt the gun?
Do these have roughly the same internal dimensions for longer bullets, like 77 grain sierras?
Hypothetical PMag questions:
Anyone put a bullet through one yet? I've ran into a few aluminum ones that took bullet hits and it wasn't uncommon for the aluminum to bend in and jam the magazine. I'm wondering if the Pmag would just punch a hole or what?
Anyone hacked some hunks of the feedlips up with file/knife to see if they still feed well?
Will these melt? If I say run 5-10 mags through a rifle as fast as I can, and then put Pmag in the gun, will the heat from the rifle's guts melt the gun?
Do these have roughly the same internal dimensions for longer bullets, like 77 grain sierras?
I have 3 of them right now and ran them this weekend with 77gr. They worked perfectly.
I don't think melting is a concern for the mag as you really couldn't get the inside of the receiver hot enough to do it IMHO.
C4
Where would I order these from when they are availible?
GunLovinTexan
03-06-07, 10:40
Wish i was at APG that day i would have loved to see some guy stomping on his mags :D
Rob
I have 3 of them right now and ran them this weekend with 77gr. They worked perfectly.
I don't think melting is a concern for the mag as you really couldn't get the inside of the receiver hot enough to do it IMHO.
C4
I would agree.
Where would I order these from when they are availible?
I am taking back orders now: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=3977
C4
Here is one initial pic of me running a PMag...
PMag in action. (http://www.echelonprotection.com/detail.html?sortNumber=6&gallery=Training%20Images&skipno=0)
I've been continuing to work with the PMAGs at various levels for the past few months. I've not really done much updating of threads, or anything else, as there isn't much to say. The magazine was beaten on heavily in cold weather testing, and there was nothing to report other than some scratches on the mags.
We are done with cold weather testing (we meaning the group of MIL/LEO/Instructors who have been involved).
We are now working in some other arenas, and its almost not even worth writing, as the mags just continue to run and run. Durability isn't an issue, and neither is feeding.
I'll update with more info on the other testing as I get a little more time.
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_8831%20Stick.jpg
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_8834%20Stick.jpg
I have to echo Stick's comments. My SHOT show mag is still running perfectly. The more recent ones I got to test out are following the same route so far. Unstopable. Everyone that has handled and tried them REALLY like them.
Here is a lead in to the next series of testing we did....
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_9675%20Stick.jpg
That is the sickness!
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_9675%20Stick.jpg
That is the sickness!
The outside of the mag looked pretty bad, but I used the open end to scoop mud, so the inside ended up looking almost as ugly.
OK, so thats mud. Good. It looked an awful lot like something else....:eek:
FlyAndFight
03-07-07, 09:30
OK, so thats mud. Good. It looked an awful lot like something else....:eek:
:eek: :D
I may have to get a few for #$@*'s & giggle's .
So they come in Black,O/D,Tan right ?
OK, so thats mud. Good. It looked an awful lot like something else....:eek:
I'm rough on gear, but you've got to draw the line somewhere. Crapping on or in magazines is outside of my testing parameters. :D
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_9672%20Stick.jpg
Crapping on them, or handling them after said magazines have been crapped on?:D
Nice job Stick.. still waiting for the coffee table book
Are those still being released this month?
Crapping on them, or handling them after said magazines have been crapped on?:D
Both sound like a good job for rookies..... :D
I need to get more pictures up, but here is another pic from PMAG testing...
http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/Magpul%20sub/IMG_9667%20Stick%20a.jpg
As someone who is a veteran of the CF thermold - I must say I shudder at the idea of polymer mags, yet I use Glock with no worries anymore - so my prejudice can be overcome. As a well satifisfied Magpul user I have no doubt Rich and Co. with make it work.
I am however curious at what temps the cold weather testing went down to?
My cold weather testing only went into the teens, but that isn't official Magpul testing by any stretch, so I'm not sure what all they have done.
I`ve got a few coming Monday. Next winter I`ll torture test one at about 30 below and let you know how it fares. I`ll send one up north also to see how it goes at -50 or so. It`s too warm right now for cold weather testing (only -7 now).
I have no doubt they`ll fare well after watching the videos.
Ran more rounds through some today. Very dry talcum powder type dusty/sandy conditions. No issues at all.
Code3Patriot
03-11-07, 19:36
Have P-Mags already shipped to dealers?
Some dealer orders have shipped (Friday). A majority of the remaining dealer orders will ship this week. All black, non-windowed. Colors to follow soon, window version in a monthish.
Okay, I'm back to work........:cool:
Is there any official data of the polymer used? How much heat can it take?
What is the official cold test? Any testing of having it down to minus 5 degrees F ( -15 degrees C) and dropped on the concrete?
I don't have problems with polymer mags, after all, HK, Steyr, SIG and Sako use them too. Some of these pictures are very nicely done for marketing and advertising - but if Magpul can publish some of the official testing data that will be great. Lots of nice pics of having the Pmags driven over by trucks-that is pretty cool, however, I am more interested in how the feedlips will survive on drops and heat. I would want o know how it will do if I smack the bottom of the pmag on some hard surface when it is attached to the rifle, or if the floorplate will separate from the body if the heel of the mag is dragged across some rough terrain.
What have you done to my MAGAZINE!!!
http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/smaller/D101_1713_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_1713_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_1713_img.jpg)
http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/smaller/D101_1715_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_1715_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_1715_img.jpg)
It's ok, it still works
http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/smaller/D101_1788_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_1788_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_1788_img.jpg)
We ran them at the CMG match this weekend up at Camp Guernsey ARNG base
http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/smaller/D101_1693_img.jpg [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_1693_img.jpg)
http://demigodllc.com/~zak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/smaller/D101_2262_img.jpg [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigodllc.com/~zak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_2262_img.jpg)
http://demigodllc.com/~zak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/smaller/D101_2171_img.jpg [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigodllc.com/~zak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_2171_img.jpg)
Zak, is that a different cheek piece on the UBR? If so how does it feel.
I hope Drake can answer that. It's whatever he handed me.
The version Zak has in the pics has the ACR type cheek weld. It's not a riser, just a different shape. The ACR type and standard cheek piece will both be available upon release.
Razorhunter
03-13-07, 16:42
Man bro,
I've been dying to ask you about the paint job on that Coyote/Desert colored AR withe TA11 on it.
Who makes that rifle (or who makes the upper and lower), and what's the scoop on that paint job? Man it's rockin, and I've been dying to know who applied that finish, and what the hell do you call it??? Is it a One-Off paint scheme, or what???
Details bro!
The upper is from MSTN (see the Lightweight 17" Comp-Tac thread) and the lower is really old.
The rifle has a base coat of FDE or TAN or something, and the pattern is simply the result of spraying it through some netting. Totally ghetto.
Razorhunter
03-13-07, 16:53
Shoot,
It looks good if you ask me, and I'm sure others will agree. Nothing ghetto about that...
I absolutely LOVE the look of the round forearms, and I see you post so many pics of them, I can only assume you love that look (or fit and function) too.
I think I'm getting ready to buy one like the one on your "ghetto paint job" rifle. I THINK I remember you saying that was one of the VTAC's or PRI's, but I'll have to double check that old post to see.
As always, thanks Zak...
Got my PMAGs today. They look great, typical Magpul quality.
Razorhunter
03-13-07, 17:35
Got my PMAGs today. They look great, typical Magpul quality. I hope to test them soon.
WHERE FROM bro???? I assume it wasn't from Grant was it??? I thought he said his were due in any day now.
Who's got them in stock as we speak???
I just ordered a bunch of P-mags today, a mix of black and FDE, am looking forward to evaluating these!
FlyAndFight
03-14-07, 11:23
The rifle has a base coat of FDE or TAN or something, and the pattern is simply the result of spraying it through some netting. Totally ghetto.
It does look pretty cool. Has a rattlesnake type of look, due to the netting effect.
losbronces
03-26-07, 14:32
WHERE FROM bro????
Who's got them in stock as we speak???
I bought mine today at Bravocompanyusa.com
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