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Just wondering what you carry for a 9mm ccw ammo, Name brand and why.
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr. +P.
Winchester SXT 127gr +P+ in my G19s and my G26.
DocHolliday01
06-07-09, 20:52
Winchester Ranger T Series 127gr +P+ in a G19.
GLOCKMASTER
06-07-09, 21:05
Speer Gold Dot 124 gr. +P.
What he said because from my past experience Remington's and Winchester's quality control is horrible.
YMMV....
Robb Jensen
06-07-09, 21:11
Winchester Ranger 127gr +P+ in my Glock 19.
Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P short barrel in my Glock 26, rarely carried.
Right now I CCW DT 9mm+P 124gr Speer Gold Dot JHP
I used to CCW the following but not now! :confused:
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Went to the range and the very first shot, the bullet lodged inside the barrel. Good thing it was at the range rather than an otherwise dreaded scenario that now one wishes to get into! :eek:
Stay safe out there on the "mean streets"! :cool:
i have two glock 19's,, dpx in the one beside my bed,, win. 127+p+ for the one in my truck. why??? thought about that my silly self. either is as good as it gets,, in my way of thinking. [have a 9mm s&w compact for carry gun, use dpx in that bad-boy] also sometimes carry a .40 m&p,, use dpx in that, as well as .45,,,dpx.
Remington Golden Saber +P 124gr = Low Flash, and decent ballistics
or
Winchester Ranger SXT (Forget the grain right now) = Reported good ballistics. I have not compared personally.
Both shot from a GLOCK 19.
I am using the hornaday critical defense 115 grain ftx. Has anybody used it before.??
Federal 124 grain hydra shok
Alpha Sierra
06-07-09, 21:29
Winchester Ranger Bonded or Speer Gold Dot, both in 147 grains.
I generally follow what the FBI chooses. So that is Winchester Ranger 147gr Bonded.
I am also a fan of the 127gr Ranger and Gold Dot's.
C4
Federal HST 124gr +P in my 228 because it has been reliable and accurate. Speer Gold Dot 124 gr. +P also perform well in my gun.
Were do you get that at.
Ranger? We stock it.
C4
Ranger? We stock it.
C4
Ok how is it sold in 20 round boxes.
Hornaday 124gr TAP mostly. Me and my G19 are ultrareliable with it and I seem to hoot the Hornady loads just a tad more accurately than others.
Ok how is it sold in 20 round boxes.
All ranger comes in boxes of 50.
One of the biggest lies sold to the Civy buyer is that defensive ammo comes in boxes of 20!
The thing to realize is that Ranger is virtually the same price as the 20rd boxes.
C4
Federal 135 grn Tactical Bonded. It is issued to me. It has performed well in several OIS's.
124gr +P in both Gold Dot and Ranger-T, and 127gr Ranger-T +P+, and 115gr Cor Bon DPX.
I have a few 9mms.
147 gr HST or Winchester Bonded for me....
Another Gold Dot 124gr +p user here.
decodeddiesel
06-07-09, 22:49
Winchester 147gr Bonded PDX1
Cor-bon DPX 115 +P.
Most often in one of my HighPowers.
Go figure.
Fred
Stupid should hurt
Federal HST 124 +P in my Sig 229 - very accurate
If you're checking out different brands I found this page very interesting
http://frag.110mb.com/
I am using the hornaday critical defense 115 grain ftx. Has anybody used it before.??
I've also got a couple boxes of these I haven't tested yet and would be curious anyones comments on them.
/hijack start/
So who's got my super deal on some winchester whitebox. Getting sick of checking Walmart every third day or so:D
/hijack over/
Ranger? We stock it.
C4
It says you stock it. It doesnt say in stock or out of stock.
Hornady TAP 147 gr. for the most part. I carry it because I never have problems with it and it is a good performer. Though, I am considering switching to the critical defense load and am also looking into what our local PD carries to be in line with that. Since good 9mm ammo is so hard to find right now, I am being a little less picky about what I get as long as it is quality ammo with a good reputation and will work reliably in my pistol. If things subside from an ammo shortage standpoint, I will go back to focusing on the purchase of one particular round...
124 gr. +p gold dot because i have to.:D
It says you stock it. It doesnt say in stock or out of stock.
That is correct. I never said that I had it in stock. ;)
C4
Just wondering what you carry for a 9mm ccw ammo, Name brand and why.
Federal 147 grain HST (P9HST2). It's accurate and reliable in my Glocks, STIs, and Kahr, and performs well in terms of penetration and expansion according to Doctor Roberts' data.
For me as a civilian, it has typically been less expensive than Gold Dot. For most of the last several years it seemed to be more easily available to me than Ranger; of course availability of everything seems to be a crap shoot now.
Any of the following:
Federal HST 124gr +p
Speer Gold Dot 124gr +p
Winchester Ranger 127gr +p+
Among the three, my selection plan is very simple. Whichever I can get for free, I use. :cool:
I've been using Gold Dot for a while now, but my supply is starting to dwindle so a change may be on the horizon ...
Winchester Ranger 147-gr. Bonded
Spurholder
06-08-09, 11:02
Ranger T's in the 127-grain +P+ variety, also in a Glock 19.
mattpittinger
06-08-09, 13:35
Federal HST 115gr +P+...........super fast and hits em' like a dinner plate
Powder_Burn
06-08-09, 13:44
Federal HST 147 gr +P (P9HST4) - runs well in my M&P and Walther PPS.
Data here: http://le.atk.com/general/federalproducts/pistol/tacticalhst.aspx
CarlosDJackal
06-08-09, 13:51
Winchester SXT 127gr +P+ in my G19s and my G26.
Ditto!!
147gr winchester or federal in a Glock 17.
FromMyColdDeadHand
06-08-09, 19:08
It seems that the people that can get it free will take the free ammo over picking a specific round. Now, I assume that LEOs aren't the only tightwads here. Does that mean that while people have favorites, the diferences in ammo aren't that great. (Outside of reliability in the gun?)
It seems that most of the first posters cited lower weight rounds 115-124gr, while the 147wt gained towards the end? 147gr bullets are slower, aren't they ;)
Grant- Is that the round you use in your HK P7?
Alpha Sierra
06-08-09, 20:12
147gr bullets are slower, aren't they ;)
Yes they are. They are also almost always formidable penetrators and carry more mass.
Outside .357 Magnum (which does not need a lot of help in the penetration department in any decent weight), I strictly choose the heaviest bullet available for caliber.
Any of these, because they feed in my G19.
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Cor Bon 115 JHP or DPX. Normally JHP since that is what I have more of.
Have carried Gold Dot 124 +P before along with Federal 124 Hydra Shok +P. Moved to Cor Bon when my stocks of Speer and Federal ran out.
Gold Dot 124gr +P in a G26.
The Dumb Gun Collector
06-09-09, 08:54
124 grain Gold dot--+P if I have it. It is my compromise choice between the fast vs fat crowd. I have know idea who is right, so I just pick the ol' nato weight.
I use the Speer Gold Dot 147gr for my Glock 19s.
Cameron
Beat Trash
06-09-09, 09:20
In my own guns, on my own time, I carry the Winchester 147 gr T series (RA9T).
When my stash runs out, I may consider switching to the Federal HST 147 gr loading, or the Ranger 147gr Bonded loading. Availability will be a major deciding factor.
I have read that the FBI issued 9mm 147 gr bonded loading is not the same as the RA9B Ranger series. Difference being that the FBI issued round is loaded to +P specifics. I can not verify this, so don't everyone start to flame me. (If anyone can verify if this is true, or not, I'd appreciate it)
All of these rounds shoot to the same point of aim in my guns as the training ammunition my department uses, which is Winchester 147gr TMC. I can shoot/train with this in my off duty/CCW guns.
This is a major consideration for me. Even if I was not a LEO, I'd want my training ammunition to be as close to my carry round as possible. Same point of aim, same recoil, hence the same shot to shot recovery, ect. Less surprises that way during a critical incident.
As an FYI, my Departments issued duty round is the Winchester white box 147gr JHP.
When the department transitioned form revolvers int he late 1980's, this round was restricted to LE sales only. Now it's available at Wal Mart (when wal Mart had ammo!)
It's not the most modern ammunition out there, but I've seen it work several times over the last 18 years. In 2001, one well placed round of this ammunition, started two weeks of rioting...
SIG 226 best handgun I have ever used, absolutely dead accurate and built like a tank.
I train with my carry ammo, I cycle the rounds through my gun every other week, shooting what I had been carrying and load fresh ones for the next week or two of carry.
The previous training ammo I was using didn't shoot to the same point of aim and that was unacceptable to me, not that it was drastically different.
I haven't studied defensive ammo indepth since the late 90's or early 00's, however I studied it very hard during this time. I remember the 147gr loadings loosing a lot of respect due to performance in tissue and sometimes it created cycling problems. I belive this is when the 124-127gr took off.
I have stuck to 115gr and 124gr +P for several years now and still feel most comfortable with these loadings. I've always perferred the increased velocities of the lighter, +P loadings.
Have the 147's regained a favorable status? Has it's performance been increased?
I haven't studied defensive ammo indepth since the late 90's or early 00's, however I studied it very hard during this time. I remember the 147gr loadings loosing a lot of respect due to performance in tissue and sometimes it created cycling problems. I belive this is when the 124-127gr took off.
I have stuck to 115gr and 124gr +P for several years now and still feel most comfortable with these loadings. I've always perferred the increased velocities of the lighter, +P loadings.
Have the 147's regained a favorable status? Has it's performance been increased?
in a word...yes...
there is a ton of research out there...much of it done by the FBI...you can actually go to winchester's website they have an interactive tool that compares all of their major JHP rounds through various mediums...
ammunition technology has changed markedly in the last 10 years....
Have the 147's regained a favorable status? Has it's performance been increased?
Info here: http://m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19887
In my Glock 17: Winchester 127gr +P+ Ranger
In my Glock 19: Speer Gold Dot 124gr +P
In my Glock 34: Winchester 127gr +P+ Ranger
In my Beretta 92D: Federal Classic standard pressure 115gr 9BP
In my Ruger P89: Cor-Bon 115gr +P
In mySIG-Sauer P225: Cor-Bon 115gr +P or Triton 115gr +P
While the latter three guns are relatively rarely carried, I still consider them to be perfectly viable defensive weapons, and load them accordingly. The Beretta 92D and/or Ruger P89 often perform nightstand duty.
Best, Jon
dirksterg30
06-09-09, 15:38
M&P9c - 147gr. Ranger Bonded RA9B
Kahr MK9, currently carrying 124gr. Golden Sabres; will switch to 147gr. Rangers if they function without problems
My preference would be for 147gr. Ranger RA9T, but the RA9B is all I could find in stock.
I use Hornady TAP 124 gr. on my Sig P228.
Federal HST 147 out of a Glock 26
It seems to me from reading posts on the subject here (and elsewhere) that it's an impressive performing, all around good defensive round.
Speer Gold Dot 124 +p or SXT 127gr +p+
147 gr HST or Winchester Bonded for me....
Same here.
The HST is my first choice simply because i've used it the most and had zero feed issues in any of the handguns i own(or have owned).
Lately i've been buying anything on Doc's list i can find though.
mourneblade
06-09-09, 21:14
Federal HST 124+p and plain HST124. It's been so hard to find I might have switch to something else once mine runs out. It's a shame because I've already put 200+ HST rounds through my HK P30.
Winchester SXT 127 +p+ is the shiz-nit.
A little off topic, but I really like light fast bullets. I carry a G19 (my wife's), but I am going to upgrade my Model 23 from 40 cal to 357 Sig. I can't tell you the details of why, but that sucker is flat shooting as hell and you can engage 100yard targets with ease. I carried it as an Air Marshal and had great accuracy with it in Sig 229. Thumps you with muzzle blast like a 357 mag, though.
Ultimately, shot placement is key and the money you save in buying 9mm will allow you to practice more and hit what you are aiming at.
Currently, the only 9mmP I carry with any frequency is a Kahr PM9 as a boot/ankle gun and that is loaded with Winchester 127 +P+.
On the odd occasion I get a wild hair and carry a different 9mmP it's the same 127 +P+ in Glocks and Kahrs. My Sigs though are high round count ex-duty/off duty pistols and they only see the previous issue Speer 124 +P GDHP. They are extremely well cared for, PM'd with pins and springs, but there's no need to push'em when 124 +P GDHP has worked so well in 'em for so long. My beloved HK P7/PSP and FN P35 get the 124 +P GDHP exclusively for similar reasons.
Why the 127 +P+? Most importantly; it feeds/fires/ejects 100% in the pistols that get it. It has a good balance of penetration/expansion and consequently an extremely good reputation. Besides, with the help of current friends and a lucky find at a police supplier a couple years ago, I've accumulated enough to last a while :D
Same goes for the 124 +P GDHP, again most importantly, it feeds/fires/ejects 100% in the pistols that get it, it has a good reputation on people and I've seen it work with my own two eyes. In fact when we transitioned to the .40/180 @ 950, I continued to use my personal Sigs with the 124 +P GDHP. The issued .40 Beretta Centurian was only shot for quals and as a demo gun at the range.
When my 127 +P+ stash runs out, I'll probably just transition to the 124 +P GDHP exclusively for the few occasions I carry 9mmP anymore. Unless, that is, something else proves itself to be markedly superior and I can afford to put a few hundred, make absolutely sure it works, rounds through each pistol :eek:...
Been carrying a Glock 32 in .357 Sig with Winchester 125 SXT the last few years every day around home and when its warm where I'm travelling for work. A Kahr P45, and lately a PM45, with Hornady 230 +P TAP (Powerballs in the PDRNJ) travels with me when working up north during cool/cold weather.
That choice, BTW, takes nothing away from the 9mmP with any of the newer high performance rounds. I'd probably feel just as well armed with the "right" 9mmP pistol loaded with the "right" 9mmP rounds for most any application. It's just that the 125 SXT .357 Sig in the Glock 32 feels more "right" lately for my application. It is after all just a hopped-up 9mmP anyway :D:D:D That thick clothing vs. HP thing just sticks in the back of my mind though and keeps dragging me back to .45acp and the Kahrs in particular for concealment when it gets cold ;):D
All those words come down to "personal preference", as long as it works reliably in what you've chosen to launch it from, and you can place the rounds where they need to be put, most any of the current generation of high performance rounds are good enough and will do the job...
As long as you're good enough to get the job done ;)...
gold dot 124gr +p for short bbl in my m&p 9c
just went with the crowd on this one but it has fed reliably and i can shoot it straight
Is the 53617 blue box 124 gr +P the one to get? I'd like to try it in my G26.
Where is the best place to buy right now?
http://img20.imageshack.us/img20/8742/53617.th.jpg (http://img20.imageshack.us/my.php?image=53617.jpg)
147gr Winchester Ranger in a Glock 19
Jay
9bple
would prefer to be using 124 grain gold dots. but i can't find any. :mad:
Littlebear
06-14-09, 15:09
These days: 124gr Federal Tactical Bonded or 124gr HST (non +P).
When I can get my hands on some 147gr HST or rager Bonded, I'll probably move on to that.
I have access to some 135gr +P Tactical Bonded, but I am not sure the performance gain would be worth to trade for (out of a G17). Any input is welcome.
Heavy Metal
06-14-09, 15:14
G-19 Gold Dot 124gr +p.
Of all the 9mm ammo I have shot, this has been themost reliable, accurate and has always expanded.
http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/ctd_images/bgprod/AMM-407.jpg
gtmtnbiker98
06-16-09, 07:37
Department issue Speer Gold Dots 124gr (maybe 127gr not sure) +P+.
147 GR Hornady TAP
Glock 19
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I like HST in 147 in GLK's and Sigs also 124 +p Gold Dot and the 127 and 147 Ranger T load.
What do you guys think about Federal EFMJs 124gr +p? I have a couple boxes, and they function well in my G19.(but so does everything else).
I usually carry Hydra-shoks
As I wrote in the Hydrashock thread, I think they suck in 9mm. Both the 124gr and 147gr loads proved to be very poor choices in the OISs we had here.
I'd rather use the EFMJ than the Hydrashock myself, but then I'd pick the Ranger-T, Gold Dot or HST rounds in any weight before I used either of those two choices.
Federal HST 124gr +P. I know it is unscientific, but I shot a bunch of hollowpoints into water and the resulting bullet out of my Glock 19 was the clincher for me! HSTs are HUGE! Placement first, then it doesn't matter. Any quality hollowpoint will do ya.
Speer Gold Dot 124g +P in my Glock 17. Why? It's accurate, functions well, and scores high performance wise on dead guys :D
I recently purchased a pack of RBCD 60 grain personal defense rounds. The ballistics look pretty good and they are really light weight rounds. Compared to my usual Winchester 115 gr. Super-X® Silvertip it is featherweight. I havent put any rounds downrange with them yet as 20 cost me $40.00. Any experience with these from anyone else?
Ok.... so my statement provoked me to do some additional research.... gosh darnit. Guess I was duped. Back to the Winchesters.
Dude, sorry to hear that you wasted your money. The RBCD rounds are basically snake oil, and in my experience they have poor quality control and reliability issues.
Check this out, search function and Doc's sticky posts are your friend;
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=19888
Yeah thats exactly the post I found after doing a little looking around. I figured after 9 pages and not one mention of this round... something must be off and it was me HAHA. Oh well thats what you get when you trust the guns shop. My own fault for not doing the forum research first. Hell just found you guys a few weeks ago. $40 lesson learned
I use Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel Hollow Points, 124 grain.
I carry them because 9mm bullets need proper velocity to perform properly, and although most firearms have four inch barrels, most ammo velocities are measured from five inch barrels.
I carry them because 9mm bullets need proper velocity to perform properly, and although most firearms have four inch barrels, most ammo velocities are measured from five inch barrels.
Actually, the SAAMI test barrel length standard for 9mm (and .40 and 357 SIG) is four inches.
I favor Federal HST 124gr +p and the Winchester 147gr SXT.
Winchester Bonded PDX1 124 gr. +p. Why you ask? Because the box was cool lookin. No, I just like the velocity they provide for the weight of bullet. Fine combonation.
I use Speer Gold Dot Short Barrel Hollow Points, 124 grain.
I carry them because 9mm bullets need proper velocity to perform properly, and although most firearms have four inch barrels, most ammo velocities are measured from five inch barrels.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/jermwarfare_2007/Kahrmk9velocitiycomparison02.jpg
Sig is 4"(3.9) and the Kahr is 3".
I'm not sold on the "short barrel loads"...even for barrels that actually qualify as such.
I use 147gr HST regardless of what it's feeding(if given the choice).
124gr +P Gold Dots in a full size M&P 9mm. Nobody really has anything bad to say about Gold Dots. Some people swear by 115gr and others by 147gr so i split the diff and go with 124gr. Also I like the extra little bit of power of +P but think +P+ is too much for accurate fast firing. I've read all the theories about gunshot effectiveness and have chosen this rather unscientific method for myself.
http://i154.photobucket.com/albums/s277/jermwarfare_2007/Kahrmk9velocitiycomparison02.jpg
Sig is 4"(3.9) and the Kahr is 3".
I'm not sold on the "short barrel loads"...even for barrels that actually qualify as such.
I use 147gr HST regardless of what it's feeding(if given the choice).
I didn't state it clearly. The velocity is necessary for performance, but the SB bullet is designed to perform better at the velocity produced by shorter barrels. In other words, whereas the GDHP is designed to run at full speed, but comes out of the Kahr at 1125, the GDSB is intended to work well in that 1100 ish range. (Using those number as examples. I didn't talk to the ballisticians).
Nothing wrong with the 147 grain load. It's what I used before. I switched because I really felt I was trying to straddle the "fast or heavy" fence.
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