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TOrrock
06-12-09, 17:46
Transferring this for a buddy of mine, it's a Chinese Type 79 Dragunov, imported as a NDM 86.

Basically, an exact copy of the Soviet SVD Dragunov designated marksman rifle, with the exception of the scope.

The Soviets sold several hundred to the Chinese in the late 70's.

Despite the hype, these things really are more of a DMR type than a true sniper system in the Western tradition.

These would be issued at least one per platoon, sometimes one per squad, to give the Soviet troopers the ability to reach out past the effective range of their AK's.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/P1020661.jpg

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http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Chopped.jpg

Littlelebowski
06-12-09, 17:53
Do want. Anyone who doesn't think semi auto rifles can have beautiful lines should see this.

TOrrock
06-12-09, 18:16
They are about as "elegant" a rifle as ever came out of the Eastern Bloc.

Interesting melding of Kalashnikov and Tokarev rifle designs, with a lot of original design work done by Dragunov himself.

The bolt rotates and is dual lugged like an AK, but the adjustable gas system is a tappet design like a Tokarev vs. the long stroke of the Kalashnikov. The magazine system is an almost direct copy of the Tokarev SVT-40.

These are milled steel receiver rifles, very well executed.

Chambered in the original 7.62x54mmR, although the Chinese did export some of these in .308 Win. to the US.

With standard light ball loads, you can expect this to shoot about like a standard M14 or FAL (4"-5" @ 100m), with the special Russian sniper grade ammo, designated 7N1, you can generally halve that.


My pics really don't do it justice, it's a handsome rifle, not bad considering it was made in 1985.

Irish
06-12-09, 18:39
Great looking rifle! Thanks for sharing those pictures :)

k_cheerangie
06-12-09, 22:00
Templar was is the lever used for that is situtated just behind the saftey lever.

TOrrock
06-12-09, 23:34
Templar was is the lever used for that is situtated just behind the saftey lever.

That's the take down lever that holds the dust cover on.

Mac5.56
06-18-09, 01:16
How much would one of these go for? I saw a used Russian made model last July that was 850 dollars. Curious about the current price as it is a nice rifle.

nacho
06-18-09, 02:10
I wish I was right eye dominant:mad:

TOrrock
09-27-09, 16:27
My buddy Xavier and I hit the range today and got a little trigger time on the SVD.

With Russian surplus light ball from the late 60's it held very, very respectable groups, and recoil was about on par with a standard weight M14.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Dragunov/P1040167.jpg

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TOrrock
09-27-09, 16:32
Field stripping the SVD Dragunov DMR:



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Dragunov/P1040183.jpg

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TOrrock
09-27-09, 16:37
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TOrrock
09-27-09, 16:39
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xcibes
09-27-09, 17:19
Those pics came out real nice!

kaiservontexas
09-27-09, 23:53
Wow! That is really nice. I even like the camo pattern your friend is wearing, do you know what type? I never seen it before. *I know not about the rifle, sorry.* I wonder what a .308 SVD would be like?

TOrrock
09-28-09, 01:09
Wow! That is really nice. I even like the camo pattern your friend is wearing, do you know what type? I never seen it before. *I know not about the rifle, sorry.* I wonder what a .308 SVD would be like?


That's Xcibes wearing the smock. I want to say it's OMON (Russian Ministry of Internal Security), but it could also be one of the various Russian Army smocks issued to units that fall within the vast "Spetznaz" umbrella.

03humpalot
09-28-09, 06:50
Thanks for the thread Templar much appreciated.

kaiservontexas
09-28-09, 12:37
Ok Russian, I never seen it before hence why I asked. It looked like a weird flecktarn to me. Thanks

Tomac
09-30-09, 08:08
The .308 NDM-86's I used to own were surprisingly accurate w/168gr match, far more accurate than a 20yr-old copy of a 50yr-old semi-auto chromed-bore design should be.
Many don't like the SVD bipod but if you use it properly by applying just enough forward pressure on it to steady your sight picture then followup shots are fast & easy as recoil recovery settles you into the same "pocket".
Tomac

Kingrabbit
10-26-09, 23:28
mine is romainian... love the lil sucker.. like to break her out when folks are talking trash with their bolt actions.. best distance i have so far is 650yds open sights, 12 inch plate in 2 rnds.. only problem i have is the scope staying put.. reason i go open sight.. any one know of any covers with a rail system on it..? have one on my AK... wondering if there is the same for the dragons..

Tomac
10-27-09, 08:21
mine is romainian... love the lil sucker.. like to break her out when folks are talking trash with their bolt actions.. best distance i have so far is 650yds open sights, 12 inch plate in 2 rnds.. only problem i have is the scope staying put.. reason i go open sight.. any one know of any covers with a rail system on it..? have one on my AK... wondering if there is the same for the dragons..

The scope mount can be adjusted for tension. You should see a castle nut on the bottom of the mount. Depress the spring-loaded rail so it disengages from the castle nut then you should be able to rotate the castle nut to tighten or loosen as needed. HTH...
Tomac
ETA: Are you sliding the mount onto the rifles optic rail from the front or from the rear? It should be from the rear otherwise the mount will slowly work its way forward and off the optic rail.

Kingrabbit
10-27-09, 13:40
here is my lil critter.. i do put the scope on from the rear.. i'll get about two mags through then im looking at open sights.. i will give the tension deal a shot.. thanks for that info.. the last pic is of what you were talking about??
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp338/kingrabbit/DSC01623.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp338/kingrabbit/DSC01624.jpg
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Tomac
10-27-09, 19:45
here is my lil critter.. i do put the scope on from the rear.. i'll get about two mags through then im looking at open sights.. i will give the tension deal a shot.. thanks for that info.. the last pic is of what you were talking about??
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp338/kingrabbit/DSC01623.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp338/kingrabbit/DSC01624.jpg
http://i425.photobucket.com/albums/pp338/kingrabbit/DSC01625.jpg


Yep, that's it! Hope it works for you, keep us posted!...
Tomac

Bobert0989
06-04-10, 05:36
Man I'd love to shoot one of those for a while... :)

Wish I had the moolah to throw down on one!

halo2304
07-06-10, 18:37
Beautiful rifle! I've always loved the look of the SVD.

rojocorsa
04-25-11, 20:56
How much does a bona fide SVD from Izhevsk cost?

How much for the Norinco copy?

warpigM-4
04-25-11, 22:41
How much does a bona fide SVD from Izhevsk cost?

How much for the Norinco copy?

A True SVD Can not be imported something about the trigger assembly I think Templar will Know more than me on that subject.

The Russian Import Tiger SVD 5000 and up

I have seen Norinco On Gunbroker Now 5000
the 308 is starting at 3400

CGSteve
04-25-11, 22:58
How much does a bona fide SVD from Izhevsk cost?

How much for the Norinco copy?

Believe it or not, it is around $10K and up. The Tigr I see go about $6K ish.

I have a Norinco NDM 86 in original caliber and I paid $3500 for it. Up to $4K seems to be the going price for those.

rojocorsa
04-26-11, 12:30
Oh, man. What a shame. :(

Thanks guys.

TOrrock
04-26-11, 13:57
Definitely for the advanced collector.

warpigM-4
04-26-11, 20:08
Templar what was the deal with the trigger mechanism that raised so many no go with the ATF:confused: On the SVD the Russian tried to import

m4fun
04-27-11, 00:21
Thats awesome man - I ended up picking up a Chinese NDM-86 in .308 in the 90s because I didnt want to support "another" caliber. My toys must function and function well. These are beautiful weapons and not be mentioned with the Romanian stuff.

Since these pics I added polymer Tiger furniture and a Chinese bipod.

Glasscaster
12-09-11, 20:17
Anyone know what happened to dragonov.net? It was a cool site with lots of info on the SVD and PSL. It had a nice photo gallery too.

I had a big time lust for one of these about ten years ago(still trying to get it out of my system :p ) Here is a pic, of a pic, from that site I printed out during that time.

Please excuse the quality of the pic. The top rifle is a Chinese NDM-86 in .308, the one on the bottom is a Russian Tiger in 7.62x54. Note the straight mag on the NDM and the shorter barrel and lack of muzzle device on the Tiger.

http://i1235.photobucket.com/albums/ff439/Glasscaster/006-1.jpg