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Joe Mamma
01-24-07, 11:27
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,246225,00.html

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4 Americans Shot in the Back of Head After Copter Crashes in Sunni District in Iraq

Wednesday, January 24, 2007

Associated Press

BAGHDAD — Four of the five Americans killed when a U.S. security company's helicopter crashed in a dangerous Sunni neighborhood in central Baghdad were shot execution-style in the back the head, Iraqi and U.S. officials said Wednesday.

A senior Iraqi military official also said the helicopter had been shot down, but this was disputed by a U.S. military official in Washington.

The Iraqi said the helicopter was hit by a machine gunner over the Fadhil neighborhood on the east side of the Tigris River, while the U.S. official said initial reports gave no indication that the aircraft, owned by Blackwater USA, had been shot down. The Americans said they did not know what caused the aircraft to crash.

In Washington, a U.S. defense official said the four had been shot in the back of the head but it was unclear whether they were alive or already dead or dying when they were shot.

It also was not clear whether the small aircraft was shot down in the common sense — that is, whether gunfire actually brought it down or caused the craft to drop toward the ground, where it got caught in electrical wires, he said on condition of anonymity because he was not authorized to speak on the record.

The helicopter was virtually destroyed and after investigating the site, U.S. forces had been planning to blow it up to keep people from scavenging the parts but the official didn't know whether that had been done.

The Iraqi official, who also declined to be identified because details had not been made public, said the four were shot in the back of the head while they were on the ground but did not elaborate.

Violence was unrelenting in Iraq on Wednesday with nearly 20 people killed or found dead, including four policemen who died when a parked car bomb exploded as their patrol passed in western Baghdad.

U.S. and Iraqi troops also clashed with gunmen in a Sunni insurgent stronghold north of the heavily fortified Green Zone on Wednesday, leaving as many as 30 insurgents killed and 27 captured, according to Iraqi officials.

The ministry added that the forces seized weapons that were hidden at a local school in Haifa Street on the west bank of the Tigris River.

Black smoke rose from the area, about two kilometers (about a mile) north of the Green Zone, site of the U.S. and British embassies as well as the Iraqi government headquarters. Apache attack helicopters buzzed overhead.

Iraq's Defense Minister Mohammed al-Askari said 30 insurgents were killed and 27 arrested, including four Egyptians and a Sudanese man.

The U.S. military said Iraqi army and American soldiers had launched targeted raids to clear the area of militants in an operation dubbed Tomahawk Strike 11 but faced fierce resistance from insurgents wielding hand-held grenades, rocket-propelled grenades and small arms fire from high-rise buildings in the area.

It said seven suspected insurgents were detained and heavy weapons were seized, including numerous rocket-propelled grenades, anti-tank rounds and 155 mm artillery rounds.

At least one civilian was killed and seven others were wounded due to the clashes, which began on a smaller scale on Tuesday, according to hospital and police officials.

The clashes broke out as U.S. and Iraqi troops gear up for a broader security crackdown to quell the sectarian violence in the capital. Al-Askari said the fighting on Wednesday was not part of that plan.

Haifa Street, a major avenue in central Baghdad, was built in the late 1970s and former leader Saddam Hussein had several concrete high-rises built for loyalists.

It has been the site of numerous clashes, including a major battle on Jan. 9, just three days after Prime Minister Nouri al-Maliki announced his new security plan for pacifying Baghdad.

Blackwater USA confirmed that five Americans employed by the North Carolina-based company as security professionals were killed. The statement from spokeswoman Anne Tyrrell did not provide identities or any details of the fighting.

Another American official in Baghdad, who spoke on condition of anonymity, said three Blackwater helicopters were involved. One had landed for an unknown reason and one of the Blackwater employees was shot at that point, he said. That helicopter apparently was able to take off but a second one then crashed in the same area, he added without explaining the involvement of the third helicopter.

That account would help explain why only four of the men were reportedly shot execution-style.

The New York Times, citing unnamed American officials, reported that the helicopter's four-man crew was killed along with a gunner on a second Blackwater helicopter.

The Qatar-based Al-Jazeera television said the 1920 Revolution Brigades insurgent group claimed responsibility for shooting down the helicopter and showed a video taken by a cell phone of a mass of still-smoldering twisted metal that it was said was the wreckage of the chopper.

Another Sunni insurgent group, the Ansar al-Sunnah Army, also claimed responsibility for the same attack and posted identity cards of men who were on the helicopter on a Web site, including at least two that bore the name of Arthur Laguna, who was later identified by his mother as among those killed.

Laguna was a 52-year-old pilot for Blackwater who previously served in the Army and the California National Guard, his mother, Lydia Laguna, of Rio Linda, Calif., told the AP in a telephone interview Tuesday night. She said she received a call from her other son, also a Blackwater pilot in Baghdad, notifying her of Arthur's death.

U.S. Ambassador Zalmay Khalilzad offered condolences for the five Americans killed, calling them good men and saying he had traveled with them.

"We had a very bad day yesterday," Khalilzad told reporters during a roundtable discussion at the embassy in the heavily fortified Green Zone in Baghdad. He did not give more details, saying it was difficult to know exactly what happened because of "the fog of war."

Witnesses in the Fadhil neighborhood told the AP that they saw the helicopter go down after gunmen on the ground opened fire, possibly striking the pilot or co-pilot or both. Accounts varied, but all were consistent that at least one person operating the aircraft had been shot and badly hurt before the crash.

The helicopter was believed to have been flying escort above a VIP convoy on the ground as it headed away from the heavily fortified Green Zone to an undisclosed destination.

A report in the Washington Post, also citing unnamed U.S. officials, said one of the Blackwater victims was killed as he traveled with the convoy on the ground.

Blackwater USA provides security for State Department officials in Iraq, trains military units from around the world, and works for corporate clients.

"These untimely deaths are a reminder of the extraordinary circumstances under which our professionals voluntarily serve to bring freedom and democracy to the Iraqi people," the Blackwater statement said.

Before Tuesday's crash, at least 22 employees of Blackwater Security Consulting or Blackwater USA had died in Iraq as a result of war-related violence, according to the Web site iCasualties.org, which tracks foreign troop fatalities in Iraq. Of those, 20 were Americans, and two were Polish.

The crash of the small surveillance helicopter, believed to be a version of the Hughes Defender that was developed during the Vietnam War, was the second associated with the U.S. war effort in Iraq in four days.

A U.S. Army Blackhawk helicopter went down Saturday northeast of Baghdad, killing all 12 service members on board. The American military in Baghdad has refused to confirm a report by a Pentagon official that debris at the crash site indicated the helicopter was shot out of the air by a surface-to-air missile.

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Joe Mamma

M4arc
01-24-07, 12:18
That sucks :(

KevinB
01-24-07, 12:18
RIP Brothers

Paulinski
01-24-07, 12:47
:( RIP

DrMark
01-24-07, 13:35
:(
RIP, and my prayers for their families.

kbi
01-24-07, 15:36
:( Prayers sent.

graffex
01-24-07, 18:42
:(

Rip

Robb Jensen
01-24-07, 19:00
RIP :(

Bulldog1967
01-24-07, 19:05
Semper Fi warriors. :(

Nathan_Bell
01-24-07, 21:02
RIP :(

VA_Dinger
01-24-07, 21:47
Horrible news.

Chris_C
01-24-07, 22:00
BW's site is down...I was (will) going (am) to send a donation into the families if there is a Trust set up.

Sad news.

I was at another site and it got into a pissing match if they are 'mercs' or not.

Friggin' TOS losers discount American lives taken as such :mad:

When ever good men die, we need to think hard about the sacrifice some make and need to look at what we can do ourselves to help those left behind.

Cold Zero
01-24-07, 22:08
RIP:(

Eric Rice
01-24-07, 22:48
Awful news...savages.

I checked with my buddy in that AO, and was relieved to hear back from him. I thought he only flew in the Blackhawks, but he sent me a pic of him in an MH-6 doing recon.

One never knows. God bless the families of those lost.

mark5pt56
01-24-07, 23:38
Borrowed this

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v509/mark5pt56/100_0580.jpg

Lawdawg8654
01-25-07, 01:21
RIP

Word is that over 100 bad guys paid for this in blood that day. One can only hope.

The "execution style" thing sounds like media/enemy propaganda to me. I will wait for official word before I believe that.

Dave L.
01-25-07, 03:31
RIP-God be with the families and the Men be with God.

I hope they had a chance to send many straight to hell.

Submariner
01-25-07, 06:17
RIP

Word is that over 100 bad guys paid for this in blood that day. One can only hope.


Were they dispatched by military forces, BW or a combination of both?

M4arc
01-25-07, 07:35
Were they dispatched by military forces, BW or a combination of both?

While it didn't specifically say it the local paper made it sound like BW guys were working with our military forces and Iraqi forces.

LukeMacGillie
01-25-07, 08:48
While it didn't specifically say it the local paper made it sound like BW guys were working with our military forces and Iraqi forces.

Only the Recovery effort was Joint. The helos were responding to a PSD team under fire.

Glockster35
01-25-07, 10:11
RIP brothers!

Mark LaRue
01-25-07, 11:03
:(

Rest in peace men and I pray that your deaths are avenged with a fury.

Mark LaRue

9x19
01-25-07, 11:23
May they rest in peace, and God be with their families.

Cold Zero
01-25-07, 13:25
Silent post. Respect.

HAMMERDROP
01-25-07, 19:16
I was hoping it wasn't, a ****ing act of barbarism. The soil cries out for revenge ...

bradb55
01-25-07, 20:37
Rest in Peace. :mad:

KevinB
01-25-07, 20:57
A letter from the brother of one of the pilots -- who is himself a BW Pilot


deseretnews.com (Salt Lake City)
Thursday, January 25, 2007

This is an e-mail letter sent to KSL producer Kim Thomas from Dan Laguna, a Utah man whose brother was among five Americans killed when their private security helicopter crashed Tuesday in Baghdad.

First of all my brother is and was a HERO. All he ever wanted to do from the time I can remember as a child, was he wanted to fly. He became one of the most professional pilots you could have ever known. I recruited my brother to join us with Blackwater Aviation. We get a lot of resumes but only a few have the qualifications to join us. This is one of the most demanding jobs in Iraq. The military fly's some every day but we in Blackwater Aviation are up flying in the RED zone every day all day.
To get to you question of what happened, I got a call that we had some of our Blackwater PSD teams in contact and needed help. We are the QRF (Quick Reaction Force) for just about everyone. The military takes to long to respond because of the approval they have to get all the way up the chain of command. I am the only one that makes the decision to go or not and we always go when someone is in harms way. I sent out two helicopters to help our team in contact. After they were on station for a very short time they began to receive automatic fire. One of my door gunners was shot immediately in the head. Both helicopters flew back to the Green zone to get him to the hospital. I was monitoring the radio and knew we had at lest one wounded. I got my crew together and and my brother's crew then went back out to help our PSD team. When we arrived at their location which only took about three minutes, we started to receive heavy volumes of automatic fire from all around.. My brother was my wing man at that point and as we took evasive maneuvers I heard him they were taking rounds. By the time I got turned around to see him he was gone. As I continued to look for his helicopter we also got shot down. I was able to land the helicopter in a small court yard. I shut down the helicopter to asses the damage and to make sure my crew was ok. My crew was fine and the helicopter was shot up pretty bad but was able to fly the three to five minutes back to the Green zone. I need to get my crew out of that area because it would have been only a few minutes before the insurgents would have gotten to us. After I got back to our area I had the mechanics put on three more rotor blades and went back out to find my brother and his crew. It only took them about ten to fifteen minutes to get me air borne again. I was back up looking for my brother and was able to get the military to help with search. It took about twenty minutes to locate the helicopter. It had been shot down in a small ally which made it very difficult to locate. By the time we found the helicopter two of the bodies were drug out and into the street. The Army and our PSD team got there just in time before they could do anything with them. I landed at that location so I could make sure they were my guys. When I unzipped the second body bag that the Army had already put them in I found my brother. I was told by the ground guys that they would get them all back to the Green zone. I walked back to my running helicopter, jumped in and flew back to the Green zone. I then realized I had to make a very difficult call to my brother's wife. I did everything I could to let her know he did not suffer and how very sorry that I was. Latter that night I was asked to go to the hospital to ID my guys. Latter at the hospital the US Ambassador showed up to talk with me.
I am only telling you this story because I don't believe the media really tells the public how all of these Hero's military and civilian really believe in what we are doing over here. I know we are doing the right thing in helping the Iraqi people and wish everyone could under stand that.
May God bless the men and woman here and their families. — Dan Laguna, Blackwater Aviation Program Manager, Baghdad Iraq

Voodoochild
01-25-07, 21:42
This really sucks man. Being the son of a retired Marine helo pilot it does hit close to home. My dad flew Huey's and Cobras and loved doing it he always talked about the rush of flying so fast so low and being able to spot the things jet pilots couldn't. May God be with their families in this time of sorrow.

chapperjoe
01-26-07, 06:07
The derision for these heroes on some of the other gun websites is downright sickening.

I could go on about how their mission, career and actions are good for us, them and our country, but it seems that everyone here gets that already.

G-d bless them and their families.

Greenbean
01-26-07, 07:18
RIP, Prayers for their families and friends.

John_Wayne777
01-26-07, 07:44
From the little bit I have been able to piece together about this:

There was a DOS VIP convoy that was set upon by the Merry Martyr Brigades. The BW guys in the convoy called for backup in the form of the QRF. The QRF choppers showed up and were engaged by the bad guys. Apparently they took heavy fire.

Two choppers were badly shot up. One was damaged and downed, but the pilot managed to get it back in the air again long enough to limp it home and get it repaired. The other was downed hard and could not get back up.

The repaired QRF chopper got back into the air and searched for the crash site of the other downed chopper, along with help from other BW guys and the military. They managed to get to the scene and chase off the bad guys in time to recover the bodies of the fallen before they could be abused by the goat-f*cking terrorists.

Still, there is an internet video floating around that claims to be of the aftermath of the chopper crash.

Next of kin has supposedly been notified for the fallen. I don't know if names will be released.

All indications are that the BW guys dished out a lot more punishment than they took. That isn't much consolation to those who lost someone they know, but it is something.

John_Wayne777
01-26-07, 07:45
Well, Kevin B's post makes mine useless. Much better info.

Hawkeye
01-26-07, 09:26
I still say that incidents like this deserve a heavy military response.

Prayers for the families.

FlyAndFight
01-26-07, 10:21
My prayers go out to the families as well. May the fallen rest in peace.