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Molon
07-14-09, 12:15
Nosler 77 grain BTHP

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In 2003, Nosler introduced their 77 grain Custom Competition BTHP bullet as an obvious competitor to the 77 grain Sierra MatchKing. The shape and ballistic coefficient of the Nosler bullet is very similar to that of the Sierra MatchKing. The Nosler bullet does have one major difference from the Sierra MatchKing; it is constructed using the thinner J4 copper jacket.

I recall an early Nosler advertisement for their Custom Competition bullet that included a phrase saying the bullet was “ideal for military and law enforcement,” hinting at the possibilities of improved fragmentation due to the thinner J4 jacket. Thanks to the works of Dr. G.K. Roberts and B&T Ammo Labs, we know that the 77 grain Nosler bullet loaded to mil-spec velocities has superior terminal ballistic properties to that of the 77 grain Sierra MatchKing loaded in MK262. The terminal ballistic properties of the 77 grain Nosler bullet loaded to mil-spec velocities rival that of the Hornady 75 grain 5.56 TAP load. Unfortunately, there are no ammunition manufacturers currently loading the 77 grain Nosler to mil-spec velocities.

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The Nosler 77 grain Custom Competion bullet is typically sold without a cannelure, however Nosler occasionally releases the bullet with a shallow cannelure similar to the one found on the 77 grain SMK loaded in MK262. The cannelured version of the 77 grain Nosler will be the focus of this report.


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For the first phase of testing, I hand-loaded the cannelured version of the 77 grain Nosler BTHP to a typical SAAMI velocity (approximately 2600 fps from a 20” Colt barrel) to establish an accuracy baseline. No case mouth crimp was applied at this phase. As per my usual protocol, accuracy testing was conducted from a concrete benchrest at a distance of 100 yards. The forend of my Krieger barreled AR-15 rested in a Sinclair Windage Benchrest, while the stock of the rifle rode in a Protektor bunny-ear rear bag. A Leupold Competition Scope was used for sighting. Wind conditions were monitored using a Wind Probe.


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Three 10-shot groups were obtained which had extreme spreads of:

0.797”
0.827”
0.812”

for a 10-shot group average of 0.812”. The three groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 30-shot composite group. The composite group had a mean radius of 0.26”. This test shows that the Nosler bullet itself is capable of consistent sub-MOA accuracy at 100 yards when fired from a semi-automatic AR-15.


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For the second phase of testing, I safely worked up a load for the 77 grain Nosler BTHP to a nominal muzzle velocity of 2800 fps from a 20” barrel using a non-canister grade military powder which has a velocity-to-powder-charge ratio that is very close to that of the powder used in MK262. (In previous testing, I found that the average muzzle velocity from seven different lots of Hornady 5.56 TAP was 2808 fps from a 20” barrel.) No case mouth crimp was used in this phase of testing either.

Since my Krieger barreled AR-15 has a 5.56mm Match chamber that is “a little too tight” for mil-spec pressure loads, I used my AR-15 with a 20” Noveske DCM barrel for this phase of testing. This Noveske barrel has the “Noveske Match Mod 0 chamber which is designed to offer 100% reliability while retaining maximum possible accuracy. The chamber body is slightly larger than the 5.56mm NATO minimum, but within the 5.56 NATO tolerance. The throat is redesigned for proper bullet alignment with the axis of the bore. This chamber was developed to fire MK262 Mod 1 on AUTO in hot environments."

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Accuracy testing using the Noveske barreled AR-15 and Nosler 77 grain BTHP at a muzzle velocity of 2800 fps was conducted in the same manner as described above in the first phase of testing. Three 10-shot groups were obtained from 100 yards. Those groups had extreme spreads of:

0.880”
0.857”
0.845”

for a 10-shot group average of 0.860”. These groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 30-shot composite group which had a mean radius of 0.29”.


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For the final phase of testing I added a taper crimp to the case mouth of the previously described load used in phase two. A 10-shot string of this load fired over the Oehler 35-P chronograph from my 20” Novekse barrel had a muzzle velocity of 2801 fps with a standard deviation of 12 fps.

Three 10-shot groups fired from 100 yards from the 20” Noveske DCM barrel had extreme spreads of:

1.033”
0.914”
1.241”

for a 10-shot group average of 1.063”. As before, the three groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 30-shot composite group. The mean radius for the composite group was 0.31”.


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Previous accuracy testing of the 75 grain Hornady 5.56 TAP load from my 16” Noveske barreled AR-15 produced a 10-shot group average of 1.22” at a distance of 100 yards with a 30-shot composite group mean radius of 0.37”.

As previously mentioned the 77 grain Nosler BTHP has terminal ballistic properties on par with the TAP load. This testing shows that the 77grain Nosler BTHP bullet loaded to a muzzle velocity of 2800 fps, is capable of accuracy that is slightly better than that of the TAP load.



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Thomas M-4
07-14-09, 13:05
Outstanding review Molon as always.
Is there any Info for the minimum velocity required for fragmentation on the Nosler 77 grain BTHP.

SkiDevil
07-15-09, 05:06
Hello Molon.

Yes, thank you for another great article.

I was checking the Midway website yesterday and observed that (out of stock) a Nosler factory loading of their competition 77 gr BTHP round product #798064 (Nosler's product # 07010) can be purchased. The listed velocity given is 2600 FPS, but no reference is provided as to the length of barrel or firearm type.

Are you familiar with this particular loading?

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Thanks,
SkiDevil

P.S. What type/ brand of powder do you favor using for the heavier .223 loadings you prepare, i.e. 75-77 gr OTM type projectiles? I was curious because I am in the process of developing a handload for one of my rifles (16" SS Noveske Recon) and wanted to attempt to replicate a similar loading to the Black Hills round. -I will be using once fired Hornandy .223 brass and Remington small rifle primers.

Molon
07-15-09, 22:03
-Would it be possible to please post a cross section of the J4 jacket; I am very interested. I searched the Nosler site, is this it?

You found it.

- One more thing: in general could one extrapolate from these gel pics that a thin jacket will lead to the desired propensity to fragment?


We know for a fact that some thicker jackets will fail to fragment, or fragment after deeper penetration, so the it seems reasonable to think that a thinner jacket will aid in fragmentation.




Molon, do you have gel pics of RA223R2 JSP by chance?


Sorry, but no. According to Winchester's own data, that round only penetrates 5" after auto-glass, so it's not a round that I'm very interested in.



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Molon
07-15-09, 22:13
Hello Molon.

Yes, thank you for another great article.

I was checking the Midway website yesterday and observed that (out of stock) a Nosler factory loading of their competition 77 gr BTHP round product #798064 (Nosler's product # 07010) can be purchased. The listed velocity given is 2600 FPS, but no reference is provided as to the length of barrel or firearm type.

I haven't tested that load yet, but I'll bet dollars to donuts that the 2600 fps referenced is from a 20" barrel.



P.S. What type/ brand of powder do you favor using for the heavier .223 loadings you prepare, i.e. 75-77 gr OTM type projectiles? I was curious because I am in the process of developing a handload for one of my rifles (16" SS Noveske Recon) and wanted to attempt to replicate a similar loading to the Black Hills round. -I will be using once fired Hornandy .223 brass and Remington small rifle primers.

I've had very good results with the 75-77 grain bullets using VV N140. My own 16" Noveske Recon turned in the 10-shot group pictured below from 100 yards using an N140 load.

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SkiDevil
07-16-09, 01:23
[QUOTE=Molon;411387]I've had very good results with the 75-77 grain bullets using VV N140. My own 16" Noveske Recon turned in the 10-shot group pictured below from 100 yards using an N140 load.[QUOTE]


Molon, thanks for the suggestion. I will have to get ahold of some VV powder. There is a gun show coming-up in my area next month, so I will see if I can find some of the Nosler factory 77 gr BTHP rounds. I attempted to order them from Midway, but they are not available.

I also saw some Silver State .223 loads using the Sierra 77 gr and some heavier Barnes 70 gr projectiles. I will have to order some of those and try them out.
If I locate a source for the Nosler rounds I will pass the information along.

Regards,
SkiDevil

P.S. Great shooting. That is a tight grouping.

Molon
07-16-09, 23:17
I also saw some Silver State .223 loads using the Sierra 77 gr and some heavier Barnes 70 gr projectiles. I will have to order some of those and try them out.




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As I previously posted, the Silver State Armory 70 grain TSX load had a muzzle velocity of 2899 fps from a 20" Colt barrel. This is a hot load. Factory loads using equivalent weight bullets, for example the Federal Gold Medal 69 grain Sierra MatchKing, generally run around 2750 fps from a 20” Colt barrel.

Since the SSA 70 grain TSX load is such a hot load, I decided not to use my Krieger barrel, with its match chamber, to evaluate the accuracy of the SSA load. Instead, I used my 20” Noveske HBAR which has a chamber designed to fire the military pressure MK262 load safely, on full-auto, in hot environments. This barrel has a 1:7” twist. Using match grade hand-loads, this barrel turned in a 10-shot group at 100 yards that had an extreme spread of 0.726”.

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Previous accuracy testing using hand-loads of the 70 grain TSX bullet proved the bullet itself to be capable of some fine accuracy. A 10-shot group fired from my Krieger barreled AR-15 at 100 yards had an extreme spread of 1.12”.

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The SSA 70 grain TSX load was tested shooting from a bench-rest at a distance of 100 yards. A Leupold Competition scope with a magnification of 45X was used for sighting. Wind conditions were monitored using a Wind Probe.

Just for kicks, I did something a little different this time. I fired two 5-shot groups! Those groups had extreme spreads of 1.22” and 1.91”. I then fired a traditional 10-shot group, which had an extreme spread of 1.93” and a mean radius of 0.61”. I over-layed the two 5-shot groups on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 10-shot composite group. The 10-shot composite group had an extreme spread of 1.93” and a mean radius of 0.63”.

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The Barnes 70 grain TSX is a very long bullet for its weight and caliber. At a nominal length of 1.037" it is longer than the heavier 77 grain Sierra MatchKing.


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Besides being a long bullet, the 70 grain TSX has a specific gravity much lower than a copper jacketed/lead core bullet due to its sold copper construction. For example, the Hornady 75 grain BTHP has a specific gravity of approximately 10.3, while the Barnes 70 grain TSX has a specific gravity of only 8.9.

The Barnes 70 grain TSX will be unstable from a 1:9" twist barrel with a gyroscopic stability factor of less than 1 at all velocities. The 70 grain TSX will only be marginally stable in a 1:8" twist barrel with a G.S.F. of 1.05 at 2500 fps. A 1:7" twist barrel will produce acceptable stability with the 70 grain TSX with a G.S.F. of 1.37 at 2500 fps.



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As I posted previously in this thread, a barrel with a 1:9” twist theoretically will not stabilize the 70 grain TSX. Today, I put the theory to test using a Colt 16” HBAR with a 1:9” twist. This same barrel will marginally stabilize the Hornady 75 grain BTHP, though accuracy is slightly diminished compared to a 1:7” twist Colt HBAR.

I fired a 10-shot group of the 70 grain TSX round at a distance of 100 yards using the 1:9” twist barrel. Accuracy was terrible; the group had an extreme spread of over 3 inches. Several of the bullet holes were slightly oblong in shape and a coulple of the bullet holes were clearly “key-holed” demonstrating that a 1:9” twist barrel will indeed not stabilize the 70 grain TSX.


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Molon
07-16-09, 23:24
I also saw some Silver State .223 loads using the Sierra 77 gr and some heavier Barnes 70 gr projectiles. I will have to order some of those and try them out.





Silver State Armory 77 grain OTM

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Silver State Armory is now producing a 5.56mm NATO pressure, 77 grain OTM load with velocities on par with the Black Hills MK262 load. This makes SSA the fourth commercial ammunition manufacturer to currently offer a 5.56mm heavy OTM round loaded to NATO pressure; the other three being Black Hills (MK262), Hornady (5.56 TAP) and HSM (5.56-17T).

The SSA 77 grain load comes in simple brown boxes with nothing more than a “5.56” designation on it to give you a clue as to what’s inside the box. There is no indication of the bullet weight found anywhere on the box. This round is loaded with a 77 grain Sierra MatchKing without a cannelure.

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The cartridge is charged with ball powder. The primers are crimped in place, although some of the crimps are so shallow that I needed magnification to see them. The primers are not sealed. As mentioned, the bullet does not have a cannelure, but there does appear to be a slight taper crimp on the case mouth that leaves a small indentation on the bullet. There is no sealant at the case mouth.


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The SSA 77 grain load was chronographed using an Oehler 35-P chronograph with “proof screen” technology. All velocities listed are muzzle velocities, as calculated from instrumental velocities using Oehler’s Ballistic Explorer software program. All strings of fire consisted of 10 shots each. Colt barrels in the lengths of 20”, 16” and 14.5’ were used as the test vehicles. All barrels used were chrome lined, NATO chambered and have 1:7” twists. Atmospheric conditions were recorded using a Kestrel 4000.


Temperature: 74 degrees F
Humidity: 58%
Barometric pressure:30.15 in Hg
Elevation: 950 feet above sea level




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The SSA 77 grain cartridges had a nominal length of approximately 2.250”. All rounds used in this test session fed, fired, extracted and ejected without any malfunctions. There was definite primer flattening noted on the fired caseheads, but no significant ejector or extractor brass flow marks.



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Finally, here’s the data!


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At one point during the test session I noticed an unexpected visitor on the range. The big guy pictured below was sitting on the berm about 10 feet above the target frame watching me.


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Accuracy Report


Following my usual procedures, an accuracy evaluation of the Silver State Armory 77 grain OTM NATO load was conducted shooting from a concrete bench at a distance of 100 yards. The test vehicle used for this evaluation was a Noveske barreled RECCE. The 16” Noveske Recon barrel is made of stainless steel and has the 5.56 Noveske Match Mod 0 chamber, a 1:7" twist and polygonal rifling. The barrel is free-floated in a LaRue Tactical railed handguard.




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The fore-end of the RECCE was rested in a Sinclair Windage Bench Rest with the aid of a modified Sinclair fore-end stabilizer. The butt-stock was stabilized in a Protektor bunny-ear bag. Sighting was accomplished using a Leupold VARI-X III with a mirage shade attached. Magnification was set at 25X and the scope was adjusted to be parallax free at 100 yards. The lower receiver used during testing has a Geissele match rifle trigger in it.




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Atmospheric conditions were recorded on a Kestrel 4000. Skies were sunny and the winds were breezy. Wind conditions were continuously monitored using a Wind Probe which was positioned approximately 33 yards from the muzzle.


Temperature: 77 degrees F
Humidity: 51%
Barometric pressure: 29.87 inHg
Elevation: 950 feet above sea level




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Prior to firing the SSA 77 grain load, I fired a 10-shot control group from 100 yards using a hot hand-load seated with Sierra 77 grain MatchKings (the same bullet used in the SSA load). That group had an extreme spread of 0.97”.




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Three 10-shot groups of the SSA 77 grain OTM NATO load were fired from 100 yards using the described set-up. Those groups had extreme spreads of:

1.92”
1.60”
2.03”

for an average extreme spread of 1.85”. Those three groups were over-layed on each other using RSI Shooting Lab to form a 30-shot composite group. The mean radius of the composite group was 0.54”.

For comparison, three 10-shot groups of Hornady’s 75 grain 5.56 TAP previously fired from the same Noveske barrel had extreme spreads of:

1.03”
1.42”
1.20”

for an average extreme spread of 1.22”. The 30-shot composite group formed by over-laying those three groups on each other had a mean radius of 0.37”. The composite groups of the two different loads are shown below for visual comparison.




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RAM Engineer
07-18-09, 14:19
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As I previously posted, the Silver State Armory 70 grain TSX load had a muzzle velocity of 2899 fps from a 20" Colt barrel. This is a hot load. Factory loads using equivalent weight bullets, for example the Federal Gold Medal 69 grain Sierra MatchKing, generally run around 2750 fps from a 20” Colt barrel.

Since the SSA 70 grain TSX load is such a hot load, I decided not to use my Krieger barrel, with its match chamber, to evaluate the accuracy of the SSA load. Instead, I used my 20” Noveske HBAR which has a chamber designed to fire the military pressure MK262 load safely, on full-auto, in hot environments. This barrel has a 1:7” twist. Using match grade hand-loads, this barrel turned in a 10-shot group at 100 yards that had an extreme spread of 0.726”.

Molon,

I bought some of the SSA 70gr Barnes TSX ammo from Midway. My ammo came in boxes that were full color with the P/N: "SSA10075-70BARNES" and "5.56". The brass is LC 09, and the primer pockets do not appear to be staked. Is this a 5.56 pressure ammo? If not, where is the load that you tested available for purchase (also the 77g SMK)?

Thanks,
Jason

Thanks

Falar
07-22-09, 23:19
Thanks for the data, especially on the Noslers.


Since these heavy loads are expensive and hard to find in stock, I've been contemplating rolling my own. I looked at the Hornady 75gr and both the Nosler and Sierra 77gr bullets. I was leaning towards Hornady for the superior BC but now I'm taking a hard look at the Noslers.

SkiDevil
07-23-09, 05:26
Hello Molon,
I just wanted to say thank you again. I don't believe I could complete such a thorough evaluation of these loads as you have done.

I am definitely going to purchase some of the SSA 70 gr Barnes ammunition. Because I am planning on making a trip out to Texas this year and would like to take some hogs with that particular load. :D

As for the SSA 77 BTHP rounds, from your testing results they appear to be as accurate as most of the other brands loading the Sierra OTM bullet. I will try them-out in my Noveske 16" rifle and see how they work.

I also read your review of the BB 77gr BTHP loads as well in another thread. I am planning on purchasing some of those as well.


Regards,
SkiDevil

P.S. I am currently in the process of building my first SPR type rifle. Do you feel that there would be a significant advantage in using the Noveske 20" SS barrel vs. the Noveske 18" SS barrel?

Molon
07-23-09, 14:32
Molon,

I bought some of the SSA 70gr Barnes TSX ammo from Midway. My ammo came in boxes that were full color with the P/N: "SSA10075-70BARNES" and "5.56". The brass is LC 09, and the primer pockets do not appear to be staked. Is this a 5.56 pressure ammo? If not, where is the load that you tested available for purchase (also the 77g SMK)?

Thanks,
Jason

Thanks

I purchased the load that I tested directly from SSA. It easily matched the mil-spec velocity of the 5.56mm Optimized load. Same for the 77 grain load.

Molon
07-23-09, 14:42
Hello Molon,


As for the SSA 77 BTHP rounds, from your testing results they appear to be as accurate as most of the other brands loading the Sierra OTM bullet.

Actually, no. Even when fired from a chrome lined NATO chambered barrel, MK262 was more accurate than the 77 grain SSA load and of course there are SAAMI pressure loads using the 77 grain SMK that are more accurate than that.




P.S. I am currently in the process of building my first SPR type rifle. Do you feel that there would be a significant advantage in using the Noveske 20" SS barrel vs. the Noveske 18" SS barrel?

I don't own an 18" barrel, so I'm afraid I can't comment on that.




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SkiDevil
07-24-09, 03:30
Hello Molon,
Well I stand corrected.:eek: The SSA load is not as accurate as the BH load and some of the others. But for my purposes it is more than accuarate enough.;) I ordered some and will see how it shoots out of my barrel.

If the Black Hills load ever becomes available again, I will purchase some.

Thanks for the information.:D

SkiDevil

P.S. I contacted Noveske, a 20" SS barrel is not available so I will be using an 18" barrel in my build instead.