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(based on a discussion I had this afternoon with HK-USA's president this afternoon)
HK is hoping to having the MR556 and MR762 available by 1Q10. Right now, they are working with ATF to produce the requisite number of parts domestically while keeping the price down. So for the time being, there is no MSRP set.
The plan is to have 16" and 20" barrel versions.
There are no plans to produce the guns in other calibers.
Umarex .22lr versions of the 416, MP5, and MP7 have been licensed. The first ones should be on display at SHOT. No final decision has been made about which model(s) will be available first.
(based on a discussion I had this afternoon with HK-USA's president this afternoon)
HK is hoping to having the MR556 and MR762 available by 1Q10. Right now, they are working with ATF to produce the requisite number of parts domestically while keeping the price down. So for the time being, there is no MSRP set.
The plan is to have 16" and 20" barrel versions.
There are no plans to produce the guns in other calibers.
Umarex .22lr versions of the 416, MP5, and MP7 have been licensed. The first ones should be on display at SHOT. No final decision has been made about which model(s) will be available first.
Thanks for the post Todd. I am looking forward to the release of both and REALLY hope HK comes to their senses on the MR556 and that it uses a standard location for the rear takedown pin.
As for the Umarex variants, those are going to be pretty neat. But what I really want is for HK to release a civ-legal pistol version of the MP7 so I can SBR it.
Again, thanks for the update.
larry starling
07-20-09, 13:45
Thanks for the post Todd. I am looking forward to the release of both and REALLY hope HK comes to their senses on the MR556 and that it uses a standard location for the rear takedown pin.
Sorry to burst your bubble! But it ain't going to happen. ;)
Thanks for the update, Todd! I'll also add my preference for standard takedown pins in case HK actually reads threads like this one, but agree that such is unlikely.
also, if the MR556 is exactly like our european version (the MR223):
the bolt is different from standard 416 one and the thread on the muzzle are metric so american muzzle brakes or flash hiders wont work...
MikeCLeonard
07-22-09, 09:33
What is different about the bolt?
the carrier is a semiauto version and has to lock into a lug that stick from the chamber :rolleyes:
I hope for you guys the MR556 will be different from the MR223
http://img521.imageshack.us/img521/6591/22423677.jpg
http://img195.imageshack.us/img195/1699/11610510.jpg
MikeCLeonard
07-22-09, 18:51
Interesting...Thanks for the picture Frens.
Failure2Stop
07-26-09, 19:08
I am pretty excited about the MR762, if it can be delivered with the kinks of the 417 worked out it will be my next rifle purchase.
ETA- If price is reasonable, of course
Mr.Goodtimes
07-28-09, 22:15
what is that lug that sticks out from the carrier supposed to do? reduce/eliminate carrier tilt or just force the end user to use a proprietary bolt and carrier?
HK 416 BCG's are absolutely proprietary.....that's one of the things that makes them work.
BushmasterFanBoy
07-28-09, 22:29
HK 416 BCG's are absolutely proprietary.....that's one of the things that makes them work.
:D
And I thought the HK hate would never end...
HK 416 BCG's are absolutely proprietary.....that's one of the things that makes them work.
And they are an absolute piece of art! Smoothest cycling AR I have ever felt!
MikeCLeonard
08-26-09, 15:30
I wonder how hard it would be to have that extra material from the barrel extension ground off so that the MR556 could use the standard 416 carrier.
Ny news on pricing and availibility?
Or is it still 1q10?
rifleman2000
09-28-09, 10:22
Why don't they square away the SL8 and release a semi-auto G36? I am happy with a Colt AR15, but I would consider a G36.
some pics I took a few minutes ago at the local gunshop.
the BCG is still semiauto but they removed less metal from its bottom; also the carrier is NOT chromed where the bolt sit; on the right side you can see the room for the barrel extension lug (the anti military BCG device).
http://img149.imageshack.us/img149/1236/pb050044.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/1236/pb050044.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/5826/pb050045.jpg
http://img441.imageshack.us/img441/3074/pb050047.jpg
http://img41.imageshack.us/img41/7166/pb050046.jpg
also the carrier is NOT chromed where the bolt sit
HK416 carriers do not have chrome plating on the interior either. Really no need for it as it's a piston operated system, not DI.
Tspeis
thanks,
maybe it's not needed also because they chromed the bolt...just a guess
;)
ORLY??
From SoldierSystems:
"Rumor has it that the HK MR223 introduced last year in Germany last year will finally be released here in the US after SHOT show. Apparently, there have been some ATF issues that have delayed importation of what many feel is the holy grail of HKdom.
However, the biggest news is that the US version will not feature the offset rear take down found on the European rifles. This means that American enthusiasts will be able to use HK416-style uppers with any Mil Spec lower receiver."
http://soldiersystems.net/2009/11/24/rumor-has-it-mr223/
Wow, that's three times in a row we've defeated Germany on a major issue.
I'd written off the MR556...suddenly, I'm interested again.
Lets see if prices on 416 uppers start to come down in response to this news.
Good news about the MR556 AND the ACR. Damn, there goes my saving!
Hunter Rose
11-26-09, 14:04
Todd,
Any info on release date? Are they still shooting for 1st Quarter 2010 or is it undetermined at this point?
I've been wanting one of these for almost a decade now.
The Dumb Gun Collector
11-26-09, 14:47
They were only announced at Shot in Feb! It just feels like a decade!:D
Hunter Rose
11-26-09, 15:00
They were only announced at Shot in Feb! It just feels like a decade!:D
I was referring to the 416 type in general, since MR556 is the same rifle in semi-auto. So I view it as a decade! Damn the HK Koolaid, I've been jonesin' too long.
The Dumb Gun Collector
11-26-09, 15:10
I was joshin' yah. It does seem like a long time. I member I first heard about it during the XM8 days. I thought, "why is HK distracting themselves with that junk?" Turns out HK knew what they were doing.
As for a release date, the only thing I can say at present is that there will be live, shootable prototypes at the SHOT Show.
The first MR308s have arrived here in Finland and I had a look at one during the week.
16" variant, but atleast this particular weapon did not have an adjustable gas block.
Tuukka,
PM sent, please check your inbox.
Tspeis
They've stated the offset pins are now DOA, they'll swap with anything. I'd rather get a complete rifle though, in case there are any issues.
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-24-09, 17:00
The good news is: HK is making the 416 available, the uppers will swap on to that Olympic arms lower you have been saving, and if you buy one you will have to hear a bunch of your buddies explain how their clone is just as good or better.:D
Seriously, this is good news.
I got to see (photos of) the receivers that are being built up into guns for SHOT. There will be some minor configuration differences between the protos at SHOT and the final production guns, but all for the better.
I didn't get to compare them side-by-side, so I couldn't say.
variablebinary
01-02-10, 04:25
Since HK uppers will work on all lowers, what hope is there of an MR556 SBR upper? Any?
There is no real reason for HK to make the change unless they intend on selling individual uppers and lowers.
Outside of positive PR, if HK only planned on selling complete guns, the takedown pin position would be irrelevant.
At least that is what I tell myself.
Considering the fact that teh interwebz went insane with rage over the offset pin thing, it shouldn't be surprising that they tried to get it changed regardless of any plan to produce commercially available uppers down the road.
It also means that the NH plant could produce mil/LE 416s domestically without needing two different lowers and two different uppers.
I'm not saying HK won't sell uppers, of course. The company is aware of the potential that has to generate revenue. Just that there are certainly enough other motivations to get the pins made compatible.
My understanding is that the official answer folks will hear at SHOT will be: "We're only making complete guns for now and haven't made a decision about if or when we'll sell separate uppers."
Todd, have you heard anything on a 20 inch MR762?
I've only had the briefest of discussions about the 762 and don't know enough definitive about it to say anything at this point.
wicked_police
01-06-10, 23:40
We have had some MR223's up here(Canada) for a little while, and are just getting the MR308 as well. They're in the $4000CAD+ range for both.
As far as I know though, the pins are still non-standard in the MR223 in the ones we're getting up here.
I'm assuming(mistakenly possibly) that the reason is the ones we're getting are from Germany and not the USA.
yep if I'm not mistaken you're gettin the "italian" version made in Germany
wicked_police
01-07-10, 06:45
yep if I'm not mistaken you're gettin the "italian" version made in Germany
Yeah, ITAR regs won't allow us to get guns marked 556 or 762(since those are MIL terms), so we have to go elsewhere.
I checked with one of our vendors, and mags for the MR308 aren't that plentiful either. I guess at $130 each, there's not much use stocking a lot of them.
Too bad the new Pmags don't work. :(
Has anyone been to SHOT to get any updated info on the MR556/762
Has anyone been to SHOT to get any updated info on the MR556/762
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-19-10, 23:32
Rumor is $2995. I would expect a little less than that after the crazies buy theirs.
Thanks Greg. That's what G3 stated a little while ago over on HKPRO. I'm guessing if msrp is $2995, once it's been out for a few months you might be able to get one for $2650ish fingers crossed!!!
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-20-10, 01:00
So g3 finally admiteded it is real? LOL.:rolleyes:
While the price is high, it is certainly better than the 4-5k the doomsayers predicted.
The target MSRP was around $2,500. Germany looked at the final plan and made some improvements to the manufacturing/QC process, and there were also some vendors that raised prices. The result was an increase in the MSRP. I was told $2,900 casually by someone at HK's booth today, but I'd put my money on G3's number.
Orders are being taken now, and according to HK, they're quickly selling out their expected supply for the immediate future.
Any pictures from the shot show yet?
I'm still not buying it. I just can’t understand how a HK416 made in Germany and imported here can cost aprox. $1800, but a US made MR556 will cost us almost double that.... I just can't press the I believe button…
Yet Sig can come out with the SIG516 a piston M4 for $1300....
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-20-10, 10:38
Well, if SIG does as good a job with the 415 as with the 556 roll out then HK should be in good shape.
We will have to see if the fit and finnish is quality on the SIGs
Stretz Tactical Inc
01-20-10, 19:42
The LE 416 price is a almost $1,700 and doesn't come with sights. Add sights and shipping and your up to $2,000. As a comparison, the Colt M4 LE price is $1,022 plus shipping.
Over on HKPRO there is talk that the HK is TRYING to get the MSRP lower. Down in to the $1999 range. Here's the link to that thread. I think we won't have a REAL answer on price for a while at this point. All I think we have at this point is a worst case scenario price.
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?t=117770&page=4
This is too funny! With all the talk of the ACR this will give everyone watching this thread a good laugh. Wait for the HK refrence too
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BB0Pu-rvFjs
Has anyone heard if the barrel on the MR556 is the same as the one on the 416? I know there has been a lot of focus on the takedown pins...just wondering if HK made other changes.
Although I love H&K's quality, my limit is around $2k for a rifle. I just don't see how this rifle can do things so much better than the competition to justify double the price of what is available now.
From the pistol-training.com/HKPRO Q&A with HK this morning:
MSRP will be $2900-$2995 for the top-of-the-line model, which will be the first one out.
Future models will be available with fewer premium accessories at a lower price point.
Release is expected 3Q10.
MR556 top ends will be available separately at some point down the road.
The MR762 is expected next year.
From the pistol-training.com/HKPRO Q&A with HK this morning:
MSRP will be $2900-$2995 for the top-of-the-line model, which will be the first one out.
Future models will be available with fewer premium accessories at a lower price point.
Release is expected 3Q10.
MR556 top ends will be available separately at some point down the road.
The MR762 is expected next year.
MR762 next year?? damn it!!!!:mad:
btw: what kind of premium parts are we talking about?
The "what parts are premium parts?" question is popping up all over. I'll try and chase Weber down today and get an answer. I think it's things like the sights, the enhanced stock, possibly even the rails.
After the NFA tax-stamp guys have bought what they want to buy, 3k is gonna be too much money to make money.
Ok, I so I decided to call HK and see if they were offering any info on the MR556 . I had a good conversation with the customer service rep I spoke with. This was much different from the past calls I have put in to HK about this rifle inquiring about price or availability dates. I asked the guy a bunch of questions and he had good answers for all of them in my oppinion. The price will infact be $2995 and avalable in June. They will be starting manufacturing soon for the first orders that will be placed. The biggest issue was the ATF, they did not want to alow HK to import barrels in to the US. so after some finagling they were alowed to import blanks and finnish them here. These will still be hamer fordge barrels and of the same quality as the HK416. And I asked why the ruger and sig piston rifles had such lower price points and he said they already had production ficilitys in the US and also haven't had to deal with the ATF issues. He said they were trying for a $2300-$2500 price point and REALLY didn't want to price them selfs out of the market but this is where they ended up. The tone in his voice was clear when he told me the MSRP, he knew what my reaction was going to be. He also reminded me that this is MSRP and I will most cirtantly be able to find one MUCH cheaper once they hit the street... As for the MR762, It's completely on the back burner and they are just trying to get the MR556 to market. It was a very insightful phone call that made me feel a little better about the situation, but still not great... Hope this is insightful info for the rest of us...
Surprising fact I learned today: Daniel Defense is doing the barrel finishing on the H GmbH blanks. So the rifled blank comes from Germany and DD turns that into something that fits in a gun and shoots bullets. :cool:
Great insight Todd, as always.
DocHolliday01
01-23-10, 14:51
I would be much more apt to buy a 3k H&K than I would be to buy a $1500 Ruger or Sig.
Surprising fact I learned today: Daniel Defense is doing the barrel finishing on the H GmbH blanks. So the rifled blank comes from Germany and DD turns that into something that fits in a gun and shoots bullets. :cool:
Well that settles my "who do i go with for a custom ar build barrel" question.
If HK is going to use DD then that speaks volumes about DD.
Thanks for the updates!
Well that settles my "who do i go with for a custom ar build barrel" question.
If HK is going to use DD then that speaks volumes about DD.
Thanks for the updates!
Gee, wouldn't it be great if DD would just take over ALL the production of the MR rifles... :)
Someone over on hkpro said DD might be working on a replacement handguard for the HK, which would be good, as the current rail is heavy enough to be used as a boat anchor.
I believe -- and Tom J. might be able to verify -- that the rail on the MR556 is going to be from Daniel Defense. Basically, every part of the gun comes from either HK GmbH, Wilcox, or DD.
For M16 owners, will an auto carrier be available?
I'd love to have a pseudo USMC IAR.
Someone over on hkpro said DD might be working on a replacement handguard for the HK, which would be good, as the current rail is heavy enough to be used as a boat anchor.
Ehm, the 9" HK416 rail weighs 12.6 oz / 357 g ( barrel nut not included )
DD 9" Lite Rail, 11 oz
DD MK18 RIS II, 16.5 oz
Larue 9.0", 13.75 oz
No Bananas
01-27-10, 18:39
Will the MR762 only take proprietary mags?
Ehm, the 9" HK416 rail weighs 12.6 oz / 357 g ( barrel nut not included )
DD 9" Lite Rail, 11 oz
DD MK18 RIS II, 16.5 oz
Larue 9.0", 13.75 oz
Thanks Tuukka, that is some great info.
I wonder if they've changed the rail design since I last saw a 416 a few years ago. Seemed really heavy on the front end.
MikeCLeonard
01-28-10, 00:02
That's probably due in part the older 416's using heavy barrels. I don't know about the MR556, but the newer 416's have lighter profile barrels which makes a noticeable difference.
The gas blocks are also a bit chunky.
Our 10" has the thinner profile barrel and the 14.5" has the heavier profile. Both are AH datecoded ( 07 )
MR223 (global version of civi 416) has hbar profile (1" under handguard and 3/4" in front). It is muzzle heavy. Interesting if MR556 will have profile from 416 or from MR223. If HK USA gave data on weight, then by comparing weight to MR223 data will reveal barrel profile (roughly of course).
BTW I always predicted, by comparing US and Europen civilian prices for HK products, that MR556 will be in area of $2600-$3000. Seems once again that benchmarking analisis works :rolleyes:
MR223 (global version of civi 416) has hbar profile (1" under handguard and 3/4" in front). It is muzzle heavy. Interesting if MR556 will have profile from 416 or from MR223. If HK USA gave data on weight, then by comparing weight to MR223 data will reveal barrel profile (roughly of course).
BTW I always predicted, by comparing US and Europen civilian prices for HK products, that MR556 will be in area of $2600-$3000. Seems once again that benchmarking analisis works :rolleyes:
There's atleast one shooter here who had his MR223 barrel lightened to .79" / .59"
The Dumb Gun Collector
01-29-10, 03:12
Everyone should welcome Montrala to the forum. He has always been a source of solid and useful information regarding HK firearms.
Luckystiff
01-29-10, 16:05
I would like to know what US lowers the MR762 might fit on. I have a Noveske N6 lower that has been sitting for two years waiting for an upper. I wonder if the HK upper would fit? Probably not.
I would like to know what US lowers the MR762 might fit on. I have a Noveske N6 lower that has been sitting for two years waiting for an upper. I wonder if the HK upper would fit? Probably not.
The MR762 and the HK417 use a proprietary lower receiver and proprietary mags.
Proprietary mags is not a good idea.
Still waiting for product release to us ordinary joes.
I was SO excited to have a civilian version of the HK417. Thankfully, with every new detail HK has managed to quench this desire to purchase one to the point where I really don't think I even want one anymore. With all the proprietary talk I'm to the point where I don't even care to follow the progress of this and will just wait and see what the final results are when I can walk into a shop and purchase one. If at that point it's still priced high and proprietary everything I will pass and buy something in .308 that's been out for a few years longer that costs half as much. HK seems to think they're the only ones in the piston .308 carbine game and this just isn't the case anymore.
Dist. Expert 26
02-07-10, 20:18
I would be much more apt to buy a 3k H&K than I would be to buy a $1500 Ruger or Sig.
I've got about 1200 rounds through my Ruger without a single failure to speak of.
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-07-10, 20:26
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With all the proprietary talk I'm to the point where I don't even care to follow the progress of this and will just wait and see what the final results are when I can walk into a shop and purchase one. If at that point it's still priced high and proprietary everything I will pass and buy something in .308 that's been out for a few years longer that costs half as much.
I really don't understand the concern about "proprietary" parts. There really isn't any standard for the 7.62 AR--certainly nothing like the standardization for the 5.56. The original 417 prototypes used the G3 mag--but the market would not have tolerated the lack of bolt-hold open.
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I really don't understand the concern about "proprietary" parts. There really isn't any standard for the 7.62 AR--certainly nothing like the standardization for the 5.56. The original 417 prototypes used the G3 mag--but the market would not have tolerated the lack of bolt-hold open.
There are basically two platforms currently and Magpul chose the DPMS compatible platform for their .308 Pmags. If I was building a similar platform I would choose the option w/the most aftermarket support and if Magpul is building mags that's a good start. If. HK had patterned this to work with those rifles I would still be interested. But it's not so I'm not. Simple as that and in this day and age everything is so good that it's the little things that sway buying opinions.
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-07-10, 23:26
Of course, if HK had abandoned the 417 mags for aftermarket mags other folks would have complained. You can't please everyone. I am glad the MR762 is staying close to the 417. I have no interest in the MR556 (because I already have a 10 inch 416) but the 417 is on my buy list.
Of course, if HK had abandoned the 417 mags for aftermarket mags other folks would have complained. You can't please everyone. I am glad the MR762 is staying close to the 417. I have no interest in the MR556 (because I already have a 10 inch 416) but the 417 is on my buy list.
Huh? Had they built the lower based off of another platform dimensions they could make their OWN mags as well as accept the aftermarket mags. Just like people could buy upper halves to mount to their POF lower or DMPS lower or the other way around. Had they done that there would be no such thing as a 417 magazine not working so I don't get what you mean by that. Just like you can buy a HK mag in .223 or you can buy a Pmag in .223 but it would be .308.
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-08-10, 12:02
I suspect HK thought their way was better.
Huh? Had they built the lower based off of another platform dimensions they could make their OWN mags as well as accept the aftermarket mags. Just like people could buy upper halves to mount to their POF lower or DMPS lower or the other way around. Had they done that there would be no such thing as a 417 magazine not working so I don't get what you mean by that. Just like you can buy a HK mag in .223 or you can buy a Pmag in .223 but it would be .308.
Probably when HK developed 417 some few years ago they did not cosider POF or DPMS to be "industry standard" (Magpul even was not here with any magazines at the time - they just used HK anti-tilt follower design made in polymer as upgrade for STANAG magazine). At least not wordwide. Also there is no worldwide ar even NATO-wide 7.62 magazine standard in place (unlike STANG magazine for 5.56). Becouse export of high capacity magazines of banned from US and it's costly and time consuming to get it even on "end-user" form HK did not see the point of using any US made magazines just to make if harder for big customers. 417 was made for worldwide customers of HK who buy magazines from HK as well. So they choose between existing G3 magazine (kind of obsolete in design) and new magazine.
Then if HK would decide to make MR308 or MR762 use any other magazines than 417s it would be pointless, as they would not been "civi-417s" then.
Basically when someone want to buy MR308/762, then he shuld not think of it as "HK made AR10" but as "civi HK417". I never heard compliants that G3 or FAL clones do not use DPMS mags :rolleyes:
Proprietary mags is not a good idea.
I would have to disagree.
Proprietary mags can be tested and proven to work. It’s a 100% way to ensure magazines will not be a problem with the MR762. Look at the issues other .308 rifle manufacturers are having trying to make their rifle work with different after-market mags.
No, it's not.
It’s a 100% way to ensure magazines will not be a problem with the MR762. Look at the issues other .308 rifle manufacturers are having trying to make their rifle work with different after-market mags.
I couldn't get my LR308 to cycle reliably to save my life. Thank god in this case that's just an expression or i'd be SOL. I waited patiently until Magpul released their .308 pmags and now it runs like a dream and I haven't had a misfeed yet. Amazing how you can take something like a magazine for granted but's only because I was spoiled by Magpul mags for my other carbines and forgot they could even be an issue.
That being said, I won't even buy another weapon system until I know pmags are available for it. That wait for my LR308 was excrutiatingly long. I don't care if it does say HK on it, I'll pass and stick w/my tried and true weapon systems as being an early adopter rarely pays off w/firearms.
Huh? Had they built the lower based off of another platform dimensions they could make their OWN mags as well as accept the aftermarket mags. Just like people could buy upper halves to mount to their POF lower or DMPS lower or the other way around. Had they done that there would be no such thing as a 417 magazine not working so I don't get what you mean by that. Just like you can buy a HK mag in .223 or you can buy a Pmag in .223 but it would be .308.
Who's to say that Magpul WON'T design a magazine for the HK417, just as they recently did with the HK G36? After all, they're in the business of making magazines and related accessories, HK is not. Rather than design their platform around an existing magazine, HK chose to create a new one, which is supposed to be a key feature of the platform.
I certainly wouldn't discount a system soley because of the lack of aftermarket items for it. Given that it's still very new, I would give it some time before you expect to see aftermarket accessories for it. I imagine the same could be said for similar platforms (SCAR H comes to mind).
Tspeis
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-16-10, 22:43
This is the way of the new world: pick a platform to fit the mag.
MR223 (global version of civi 416) has hbar profile (1" under handguard and 3/4" in front). It is muzzle heavy. Interesting if MR556 will have profile from 416 or from MR223.
Here are 2 photos comparing a recent HK416 upper barrel profile ( credit http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/viewPrd.asp?idproduct=962&idcategory=14):
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/catalog/hk416upper-4_776_detail.jpg
and my MR223 barrel profile (purchased Feb 2009):
http://img718.imageshack.us/img718/8273/imgp1237.jpg
For semi automatic use, the thinner profile makes a lot more sense. The heavy barrel profile does have some advantages (theoretical accuracy improvement from a stiffer barrel, less felt recoil, less muzzle rise), but for most it is a poor tradeoff for the extra weight.
I put a muzzle brake on mine. Between that and the firearm mass it is kind of nice to have virtually no muzzle rise on rapid strings. You can easily watch the shoot-n-c target impacts at 50 meters as you continue to fire.
http://img198.imageshack.us/img198/236/imgp1220.jpg
The Dumb Gun Collector
02-24-10, 18:14
Very nice.
MikeCLeonard
03-01-10, 15:27
For those of you who may know, or who already have an MR223...does the Hk lower have a high or low shelf?
Wondering if I will be able to use an RDIAS in the future.
Thanks!
-Mike
pbr streetgang
03-03-10, 01:58
it may sound like a dumb question to a few of you guys here but is there a significant difference between the two operating systems? i am ready to make a purchase on either one but im just looking for a push either way
One of them was designed by professionals.
pbr streetgang
03-03-10, 03:05
One of them was designed by professionals.
so the answer is ....you don't know???
so the answer is ....you don't know???
To put it simpler:
One was designed to solve real world problems as co-operation of best military weapons maker with best military weapon users. And this design is spreading worldwide like fire in dry forest - even for those who never used AR-style weaponry before.
Second was designed to hop-up on "piston-AR" bandwagon on US market. Nobody is actually using this design in real world.
There are companies that set industry standards and new technical trends, and those who thinks like "everybody makes 1911 - lets make one, everybody makes AR, lets make AR-looking rifle... ooops doesn't work, then lets make piston AR"
What is better is matter of personal preference, budget, etc.
To put it simpler:
One was designed to solve real world problems as co-operation of best military weapons maker with best military weapon users. And this design is spreading worldwide like fire in dry forest - even for those who never used AR-style weaponry before.
Second was designed to hop-up on "piston-AR" bandwagon on US market. Nobody is actually using this design in real world.
There are companies that set industry standards and new technical trends, and those who thinks like "everybody makes 1911 - lets make one, everybody makes AR, lets make AR-looking rifle... ooops doesn't work, then lets make piston AR"
What is better is matter of personal preference, budget, etc.
This.
I Know the HK416 does not come with iron sights and they must be purchased separately, but has anyone heard if the MR556 will come with, or with out sights? I am REALLY hoping it will come with sights with a MSRP of $2995!
SteyrAUG has a group buy going on for $2,500.
I'll wait for a reality-based barrel profile.
it may sound like a dumb question to a few of you guys here but is there a significant difference between the two operating systems? i am ready to make a purchase on either one but im just looking for a push either way
The HK416/MR556 only has one operating system.
Just a heads up, HK is now saying they MR556 will be released Aug-Sept time frame, not June....
pbr streetgang
03-16-10, 01:43
The HK416/MR556 only has one operating system.
the original question was not the difference between the H&K 416 and the H&K MR556/223 but the difference between the Sig 516 nd the H&K MR556/223 operating systems...
since the question was asked i did decide on the MR223 and should be getting it delivered in the next day or two...
but i would still like to know the answer as one gunshop was really really trying to sell me on the Sig 516
Good choice.
That reminds me of the guys we have down here that try to hard sell a cheap AK for 50% over MSRP, "soon to be banned, this may be the last shipment we get in, this is my last one, don't know if I'll get more, this is the greatest rifle ever made."
I don't think they had your best interests in mind. They were just trying to make a profit.
Sounds a lot like a US gunshop :)
Voodoochild
03-24-10, 11:52
The HK416/MR556 only has one operating system.
Is it Linux based or Windows based? :D
Just got off the phone with HK......I was told the MR762 wont be released until Q1 2011.
Just got off the phone with HK......I was told the MR762 wont be released until Q1 2011.
...and I'm out! Enjoy the wait everyone else.
HK told me the MR416 will be available September. Price $2995.
Is it Linux based or Windows based? :D
Taking reliability in mind more like OS/390 Series :D
palmbeach31
04-12-10, 19:09
I'd really love to shoot a MR556, hopefully they will be available to rent somewhere.
pbr streetgang
04-19-10, 18:58
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af32/pbr-streetgang/mr223.jpg
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af32/pbr-streetgang/MR2232.jpg
http://i991.photobucket.com/albums/af32/pbr-streetgang/MR2233.jpg
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MR223
Elcan Spectre DR 1x-4x optic
Fenix TK11 tac light mounted on Fab Defence Tactical foregrip
CQB bungee style single point sling from Tactical Tailor
Nice blaster!
The Elcan 1 or 4 power looks like a great setup. I have a 1-4 variable NF on mine. It's never used at any magnifications other than 1x up close or 4x farther away and the transition between those settings is a little slow. A quick flip between the two must be sweet.
pbr streetgang
04-20-10, 00:22
Nice blaster!
The Elcan 1 or 4 power looks like a great setup. I have a 1-4 variable NF on mine. It's never used at any magnifications other than 1x up close or 4x farther away and the transition between those settings is a little slow. A quick flip between the two must be sweet.
The Elcan 1x-4x is sweet, I'm waiting on a flash hider from Joe at Dlask Arms as you need the tapered metric thread for the MR223 ( as im sure you know)... I was going to go with a muzzle break, but since i prefer tactical over target i went the the flash hider.
I'll be breaking it in thursday/friday...
looking forward to it
The Dumb Gun Collector
04-20-10, 00:25
Very nice rifle.
ForTehNguyen
04-20-10, 10:26
howd you get that in Canada, are guns banned by "model number" there?
pbr streetgang
04-20-10, 16:38
howd you get that in Canada, are guns banned by "model number" there?
not that I'm aware of.... there are a surprising range of firearms you can purchase up here.. restricted, non restricted, and prohibited...
Well, I hope you guys get the MR223s soon on that side of the pond :D
http://www.aseutra.fi/english/product/HK416_jet-Z_CQB-QM.JPG
http://www.aseutra.fi/english/product/HK416_jet-Z_CQB-AU.JPG
Kaasselslay
04-21-10, 10:31
Nice MR pbr Streetgang!!
A few pics of mine, to show how it changed during the last 16 months.
http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/theholeinthedonut/Divers/Boomsticks/2009_02050048.jpg
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http://i179.photobucket.com/albums/w310/theholeinthedonut/Divers/Boomsticks/IMG_0027.jpg
pbr streetgang
04-21-10, 11:24
Very nice indeed!!!
how do you like the flip up irons?
Kaasselslay
04-22-10, 01:00
Very nice indeed!!!
how do you like the flip up irons?
Good, I prefer them to the HK drum sight.
tombirdman
04-25-10, 18:25
Define torture.
I have 1400 rounds through mine (MR223) since the last cleaning or lube of any kind and it has functioned perfectly.
Unfortunately I have 2 matches coming up so my conscience says I'll have to clean it. No way to know for sure, but i think it would go far longer before any function problems surfaced.
:confused:
I agree that HK has a great reputation. I have an HK SL-8 that has a fine trigger pull and is a tack driver but only 10 shots.
I also have a HK USP compact 45acp - love it,
a P7M8 - I will never part with it,
a HK91 - thows brass like crazy.
I also have a Ruger SR-556.
Even though I think the new HK AR is wonderful in design and looks, I can honestly say that I think that the SR-556 is every bit the gun that the HK is. Sure the HK has this and the Ruger doesn't, but the Ruger has something that the HK doesn't.
I own the SR-556 and the SCAR. The SR-556 is comparable to the HK.
The SCAR is leaps and bounds ahead of it.
Tom
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If you want to open up any of these pictures just double click on them. It will also give you the opportunity to see other photos posted there.
I am not trying to knock HK on a HK sight. I value their guns !
Just think the SCAR and Ruger SR-556 are also great guns and values !
The Ruger is now selling for around $ 1, 475.00 = I think a great value !!!
tombirdman
04-25-10, 18:44
I would be much more apt to buy a 3k H&K than I would be to buy a $1500 Ruger or Sig.
WHY ?
Just curious if HK uses a forged lower or Billet.
From G3Kurz over at HKPRO.
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?124570-US-Assembled-MR556-s-at-your-Dealer-in-October-2010
I cant wait to get one of these! Hopefully this doesn't get pushed back any more...
Outlander Systems
05-30-10, 20:46
From G3Kurz over at HKPRO.
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?124570-US-Assembled-MR556-s-at-your-Dealer-in-October-2010
Word from a reliable source at HK Ashburn is that the fiirst complete MR556 rifles will be completed/shipped to dealers in or by October 2010. All necessary PO's have been issued for all parts required and the process for assembly and QA is in place. Sources state they are still not satisfied with the cost and resultant sale prices (would like it to be lower) but it appears that at least it will be available some 6+ years after the first HKM4 C's (Commercial) samples were shown at the SHOT Show. HK will also be offering complete MR556 upper receivers that are compatible with US lowers.
I don't have details on the exact configuration, etc. so no need to PM me. I will try to get some details on that once the first guns are assembled later this summer.
The first USMC M27 IAR's (HK416's) will likely see field/combat use sooner than expected (@ 6 months in fact) as part of a planned final user assessment. Some will also be interested to know that the Marine Corps ran a recent test that showed that the IAR gunner can actually maintain a rate of fire equal to or higher than the M249 SAW gunner due to the speed of magazine reloading versus belt reloading, especially when on the move and at night. That being said they are still interested in/looking for a high capacity magazine for the IAR and expect to get one down stream. Combine this new IAR with the new SOST round and watch out! First time out with a well worn HK416 IAR test gun and standard trigger the winning USMC Service Rifle Champion shot a 590 out of 600. He won the USMC Matches with a 587 using a tricked out M16A2 and his personal best for that event is 593. Not to bad for a series production automatic rifle.
G3Kurz
If this is true, I'm starting the savings fund immediately.
I have the funds. Just need more $$$ for the add-ons. Good sight.
Outlander Systems
05-31-10, 04:36
Has HK release an MSRP?
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?118897-HK-MR556-MSRP-and-Dealer-cost/page2
Dealer and MSRP for the initial MR556 release with all the fixings, I'd imagine a bare upper would be much cheaper... maybe even (dare I say it) affordable?
There were two HK reps at the Pei Wei near their office in Northern VA.
I asked them how many people per day ask them when the MR556 is coming out. One said "You're the 15th today". We'll see if the Fall '10 thing holds true.....
Outlander Systems
05-31-10, 09:41
If that price is on the level, I might be able to squeeze in a build between now and the release.
I am shocked, honestly. I figured it would be ~$3,500.
pbr streetgang
06-07-10, 18:03
Seems like you fellas down south will be getting the MR556A1, which will be interchangeable with AR uppers/lowers...
You guys are very lucky...
If they sell for under $2500, then I'm game. ;)
I'm sure more than a few will find their way north at about the same price we get them for.
Anyone hear anything new on the release date and cost for the MR556? Last I saw somewhere appoximate time was Oct 2010...any new info would be great since I'm saving up ;) . May have to sell my Bushmaster xm15 to put towards it...ugh.
MichaelVain
08-09-10, 14:15
According to G3Kurz on HKPRO, they do not know when the first guns will be completed.
Can I post a kidney in the equipment swap section, because I will be selling one to get one of these rifles!!!
Hunter Rose
08-09-10, 19:51
According to HK-USA customer service as of a week ago, they are still trying hard for 4th Qtr 2010. What that means in real terms is anyones guess, but I shall remain optimistic.
snackgunner
12-05-10, 10:11
any news on this for 2011?
any news on this for 2011?
I am sure someone will be along shortly to offer up some more "conjecture.":sarcastic:
Magic_Salad0892
12-05-10, 11:08
You can care now, if you'd like. :cool:
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-416-10-4-Upper-132p962.htm
http://www.hkparts.net/shop/pc/HK-416-14-5-Upper-Kit-132p1551.htm
snackgunner
12-05-10, 12:25
looks like theyre arriving?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=202672405
I waited for 3 years for this rifle to come out. I'm a die hard HK fan, but I finally ended up getting a KAC SR-15 E3. I just could not wait any longer for a top tear AR. I paid $1995 for my rifle, Apposed to the $3,000 they want for the HK. For what I got for the money I spent, (LMT SOPMOD stock, KAC rear flip up 600m sight, KAC 2 stage trigger, fully ambidextrous as I shoot rifle lefty, KAC URX rail with flip up front sight, and mid length gas system) I feel I mad a better choice. Don't get me wrong I drink the HK Cool Aid, But I wouldn't trade the features I just listed and an additional thousand dollars to get a Piston rifle with HK on the side. I wish HK well with the MR556, But I'm guessing they missed the boat on this one
RAM Engineer
12-05-10, 15:44
They should have brought this to the market when most people were under the illusion that piston-driven ARs were the be-all, end-all of guns.
I waited for 3 years for this rifle to come out. I'm a die hard HK fan, but I finally ended up getting a KAC SR-15 E3. I just could not wait any longer for a top tear AR. I paid $1995 for my rifle, Apposed to the $3,000 they want for the HK. For what I got for the money I spent, (LMT SOPMOD stock, KAC rear flip up 600m sight, KAC 2 stage trigger, fully ambidextrous as I shoot rifle lefty, KAC URX rail with flip up front sight, and mid length gas system) I feel I mad a better choice. Don't get me wrong I drink the HK Cool Aid, But I wouldn't trade the features I just listed and an additional thousand dollars to get a Piston rifle with HK on the side. I wish HK well with the MR556, But I'm guessing they missed the boat on this one
I'd say that you made the right decision. The SR-15 E3 and SR-25 EMC are the 2 best factory ARs in their respective calibers.
I 've waited and waited...then waited some more for the HK to hit the market...I even picked up a SCAR during the wait thinking that may cure me of wanting the HK, BUT it didn't...To add anxiety to the waiting Colt(I love the Kool-Aid 7in all) announces it's produced a APC (advanced piston carbine) But God knows when, if ever that will be made availaable to us..I'll admit I'd have to bust the kids education fund and get the Colt APC and The HK MR556 if both ever hit the market...:D
Don't worry, in a few months we'll get another estimated release date.
At least their quality control hasn't taken a dump like a certain other firearm company that starts with SIG and ends with Sauer.
variablebinary
12-06-10, 02:25
looks like theyre arriving?
http://www.gunbroker.com/Auction/ViewItem.aspx?Item=202672405
No, they aren't. Reread the ad.
That's one guy taking deposits, and praying it drops this month.
I am skeptical.
Last info from G3Kurz at HKPro was that HK has all parts needed to assemble first batch of MR556 either imported from Germany or made in USA, put together on a pile and going to assemble them. Then final product is supposed to be evaluated if it's quality meets required level. If yes, then they should go for market, if no... repeat procedure.
MR762 is still in early development - all resources are now at MR556.
Magic_Salad0892
12-07-10, 16:07
I would consider owning a 10.5'' MR556 upper if it's affordable.
leibermuster
12-08-10, 14:02
To bad you guys can't import the MR223 and big brother MR308 from Canada you would have had these rifle 2 years ago or so now!
QuickStrike
12-09-10, 05:10
I'm still interested in one. Don't want to stray too far from AR ergos/layout.
I wonder how much it'll weigh?
leibermuster
12-09-10, 09:32
I'm still interested in one. Don't want to stray too far from AR ergos/layout.
I wonder how much it'll weigh?
There fantastic weapon system, and very smooth compared to most other AR types, but by no means are there other rifles out there that will do the same job. Up here in Canada we buy what we can get our hands on and don't have the selection and certainty of availability like you guys down south do, which really sucks.
Actually most of the reason we don't get a lot of rifles up here now is because of the US side of things now, but the last 5 years have been like a golden era for us here in Canada.
XCR, Noveske,LMT,POF,KAC,Bushmaster,RRA,DD,HK(Civilian versions mostly for HK) Magpul products etc etc...But as the US economy gets worse i suspect the US will open things up here more in Canada, especially if the war ever dies down! Some company's like POF & Noveske are no longer available for import anymore for example...
HK certainly took way too long making this rifle available to the civilian market, especially in the US, but that has more to do with the US import laws being a stumbling block combined with German laws that are the result of WW2 and the left taking over that country. Hopefully things start to change!
They are slightly heavier than most AR's but you can run a lot more ammo through them without fear of burning out your barrel and wearing the gun out, definitely a lot more leeway..Piston guns tend to be more front heavier in general.
Really if you want a some of the things HK has going for it, just get DD rifle with there cold hammer forged barrels are awesome. But really i would just get the 416 uppers and get a DD lower or POF ..or whatever....The closest thing you will ever get is MR556a1 lower anyways matched to the 416 upper I guess, so really who cares..lol.
A lot of you American complaining should really take a good interest in other countries firearm laws to get an idea of where things are going, especially in regards to exporting your American made rifles!
I'm still interested in one. Don't want to stray too far from AR ergos/layout.
I wonder how much it'll weigh?
MR223 is rather heavy for AR standards due to heavy barrel profile (1" under handguard, 0.750" in front) and heavy buffer. Plain MR223 is (no mag) about 3.7kg (8lbs). Personally I like it. Maybe little muzzle-heavy but stable and ads to my fitness training program :sarcastic:
I'm a big HK fan but I'm convinced that this rifle doesn't even exist. It may on paper, or in the imaginations of the people at HK-USA, but it's like the fabled Unicorn. Good luck trying to catch one. HK really missed the market on this rifle, had it came out two years ago they would have sold like crazy. I think this whole thing is a joke. I'm sure a lot of HK fanboys will still buy them but I'm not one of them. I'm saving for a KAC SR-15 E3, a better rifle IMO.
I’m interested in the MR556 but I’ve got a SCAR and LMT piston upper. I like them both but I lean more toward the SCAR. If the price comes down I may add one to my collection. But there are other rifles I would buy first such as the LMT 308 or SCAR 17s.
HKPRO.com is blocked for me :(
Can someone post what the price is? I'm interested in knowing what it is.
HKPRO.com is blocked for me :(
Can someone post what the price is? I'm interested in knowing what it is.
MSRP will be $2995. After the initial rush, you'll be able to get them all day for around $2400-$2500
ahh... well i guess it's not TOOOOOO bad. I still would have liked to see a $2500 MSRP lol. :sarcastic:
It looks like the MR556 is going in to FULL production. Here is an update from Todd G from pistol training.com over at HKPRO.com
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?132844-MR556-news
It looks like the MR556 is going in to FULL production. Here is an update from Todd G from pistol training.com over at HKPRO.com
http://hkpro.com/forum/showthread.php?132844-MR556-news
Is this the word from after SHOT SHOW?
Ferris2son
01-23-11, 17:20
One of them was designed by professionals.
I've never understood the trashing of the Sig556. Mine has been working great for over a year. I shoot the hell out of it. I paid less than $1200 after a rebate and it feeds and exracts perfectly. It's accurate, doesn't care what I feed it or what mag I feed it from.
$0.02
I was trashing the SIG 516, I have a SIG 556. :D
Ferris2son
01-23-11, 17:40
I was trashing the SIG 516, I have a SIG 556. :D
Sorry, I wasn't singling you out. I've been lurking this board for awhile and was commenting generally. :agree:
leibermuster
01-31-11, 20:10
Dear God
This is unbelievable that you guys have waited this long......., i thought it was a bad wait here in Canada, boy was i spoiled..........hahaha.
Just buy a 416 upper and put a POF lower on their and your good to go!
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