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Since Colt lost the lawsuit to the exclusivity of the term "M4", why do people continue to use the term "M4gery"?
Personally I have always seen this a being a silly term and unnecessary.
M4 is a term to describe an AR style weapon - court backed now.
No attacks towards anyone but just looking for opinions on it.
Because mine is not selective fire - it cannot fire burst/fully automatic. ;)
baffle Stack
07-02-06, 01:45
Good point. I don't hear anyone call Kimbers 1911 style pistols, so why still M4gery?
Robb Jensen
07-02-06, 05:29
Good point. I don't hear anyone call Kimbers 1911 style pistols, so why still M4gery?
Kimber does make 1911s, so does Springfield Armory, Rock River Arms, Les Baer etc. No real differences.
Most us of have semi-auto only M4s and most are 16" guns. I call my 14.5" LMT (registered SBR) just an M4 not an M4gery. Some people call their M1As M14s, but their really not. M14s are select fire.
Rmplstlskn
07-02-06, 08:17
+1 It is not FULL-AUTO, therefore it will ALWAYS be a MODIFIED COPY (forgery).
Maybe I'll use SAM4? (Semi-Auto M4) :D
Rmpl :rolleyes:
Good point. I don't hear anyone call Kimbers 1911 style pistols, so why still M4gery?
Actually, the correct term for any series 80 or external extractor 1911 would be "1911 style" as the government M1911 or M1911A1 did not have these features.
Its really easy to avoid the whole nomenclature BS.
16" or shorter is an AR15 carbine.
Bigger than 16" is an AR15 rifle.
"M4gery" is an internet BS term.
HAMMERDROP
07-02-06, 17:59
I agree with Lumpy, I go to a gun store and mention "...something-something 'M4' " and " Whaaat?" is usually the reply ... M4 is internet BS made popular @arfcom because the flavor of the month crowd exsists over there and since some members over there , do or buy or wear or shoot whatever is fashionable, that term M4 became popular to descibe the one-up-manship which is the typical banter being posted @that site. Its a term developed to help the 'Jones' know who the 'Jones' aren't.
M4 = Colt Model 920 with "S-1-3" (safe/semi-automatic/3-round burst) trigger group.
M4A1 = Colt Model 921 with "S-1-F" (safe/semi-automatic/fully-automatic) trigger group.
Both have 14.5" barrels.
TigerStripe
07-03-06, 04:47
I disagree with most of the posts above. An 5.56mm AR15-type carbine with an M4 profile barrel is an M4 regardless of it being FA or Semi. By the logic that only a Colt or FN FA and a 14.5" barrel barrel is an M4, an "AR15" built by anyone other than Colt isn't really an AR15. Like people saying "AK47 clone"
TS
Colt makes semi-auto M4 models so the select fire argument is out the window.
I never really believed in the whole "M4gery" issue, but it probably depends on the gun. Just having an M4 profile barrel does not make any carbine an "M4" just becuase it's trendy. That being said, not having a mere FA selector switch does not make an M4 either.
Why is it I can't help but think about:
"Revolvers?"
"Revolvers!"
"Here's where I keep the best ones. Remington, Colt, Farroute...
...Smith Wesson, Colt, from the Navy...
Jocelyn, another Remington, and this..."
I guess I prefer specifics. I'd rather hear specifics on what kind of rifle someone wants/needs so I'd rather hear "I want an AR-15 carbine with a 16 inch light weight barrel" vs. "I've want to build an M4gery..."
It doesn't bother me if someone refers to any carbine based on the AR-15 platform with a collapsible stock and lightweight barrel (with or without the grenade step) an M4. Call it whatever, impress me by how you shoot it. Impress me by being a "rifleman". Do that, and you can call your rifle Betsy or Sharlene (sp?) for all I care.
Should I have been calling my 20" AR a "M16A2gery" instead of an AR-15?
CapnCrunch
07-03-06, 12:06
An M4 is a carbine made to the specifications in the M4 TDP. It's that simple, really. As to what's in that... Well, you'll just have to ask Colt, for the time being.
. I have no problem calling a semi only AR with the same features as an M4 and calling it an M4. I beleive it's still an M4 as long as it has all the same features (FA/Burst excluded) anything else is just a carbine.
Rmplstlskn
07-04-06, 08:34
M4gery also has the HUMOR aspect as well... When I use the word M4gery, it is with a big grin, because it means a carbine with a few USELESS features, such as the barrel cutdown for grenade launcher attachment.
Rmpl :cool:
Maybe we should cause non-FA capable FALs "FAL-lacies"...
I believe in one of the above posts - M4gery is an internet BS term. It was probably created at another board with a bunch of keyboard commandos that have probably never seen real trigger time.
I'm very happy with M4Carbine.net and would never think of it as "M4gerycarbine.net"
Let BS terms remain where they should. Kill it like we should kill mis-information.
TigerStripe
07-04-06, 22:47
Maybe we should cause non-FA capable FALs "FAL-lacies"...
I believe in one of the above posts - M4gery is an internet BS term. It was probably created at another board with a bunch of keyboard commandos that have probably never seen real trigger time.
I'm very happy with M4Carbine.net and would never think of it as "M4gerycarbine.net"
Let BS terms remain where they should. Kill it like we should kill mis-information.
Thanks for that refreshing bit of common sense!
TS
Texas_Soldier
07-05-06, 18:24
I think that M4 (since the US Gov't coined the designation) refers to a set of specified features, Colt was proven not to own the terms M4 or M16 and they are generic usage now.
In my own experience FA or Burst is a waste of time anyways, if you need auto fire then you need a SAW gunner.
M4gery is agreeably an internet term created by the prancing pony Koolaid drinkers to describe anything without the "hartford horsey" on it.
CapnCrunch
07-05-06, 18:30
They may not own the term "M4", but they sure as heck own the TDP.
Texas_Soldier
07-05-06, 18:44
true about the TDP, but it is obviously easy to create the visual and functional characteristics of those weapon systems with readily available parts so even the ownership of the TDP is irrelevant.
I think unless you are a "purist" then M4 is just the standard term for all modern ar15 carbines with the 6 pos stock, M203 cutout-profile barrel, and A2 (some very early M4s had fixed handles) or A3 uppers.
I don't favor one manufacturer over another, if it works then it's all good.
CapnCrunch
07-05-06, 19:50
It's just a tiny bit more complicated than that. Look for a new thread in an hour or so articulating some of the differences between manufacturers.
Sorry for taking this thread a little OT.
Turbo Supra
07-06-06, 12:44
I call my RRA rifle an "M4" strictly as a term of description. It has a 14.5" M4-profile barrel with perm-attached Phantom, Vltor stock, etc.
I simply refer to the gun as the "M4", as it is much easier than calling it the "Rock River Arms AR15-style carbine with M4-esque characteristics". :)
Dirtyboy333
03-26-11, 00:25
I disagree with most of the posts above. An 5.56mm AR15-type carbine with an M4 profile barrel is an M4 regardless of it being FA or Semi. By the logic that only a Colt or FN FA and a 14.5" barrel barrel is an M4, an "AR15" built by anyone other than Colt isn't really an AR15. Like people saying "AK47 clone"
TS
I completely agree. Actually I take it a step farther and call and will always call my 2 16" carbines with M203 cuts an "M4". People and businesses call them AK47's but none of them are FA either.
No shit!
Holy necro post!
At least someone is using search :p
With the rise of midlength's calling them M4s is even more... weird. I call everything an AR-15/Rifle 5.56mm o.O
Yay nomenclature.
I don't say that about Mine just because Colt Put it on My Lower:D
and it has a 6921 upper on it 14.5 barrel with extended FH But In the works of SBR and it don't have the Go fast switch
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h86/PFC-JB/001-1.jpg
Huntinfool
03-26-11, 06:18
Its really easy to avoid the whole nomenclature BS.
16" or shorter is an AR15 carbine.
Bigger than 16" is an AR15 rifle.
"M4gery" is an internet BS term.
What he said! ^^^^ Good posting Lumpy!
~HF~
"M4gery" is an internet BS term.
It's an ARFtard term that was gay in the 90s. I don't see too many video gamers using it on the forums lately though.
I just think it's a clever name. It makes me chuckle.
Sue me.
Since Colt lost the lawsuit to the exclusivity of the term "M4", why do people continue to use the term "M4gery"?
Because using the correct term, derivative, is just not that cool, to them.
Holy necro post!
lol, that is what I thought too :)
Its really easy to avoid the whole nomenclature BS.
16" or shorter is an AR15 carbine.
Bigger than 16" is an AR15 rifle.
"M4gery" is an internet BS term.
It's an ARFtard term that was gay in the 90s. I don't see too many video gamers using it on the forums lately though.
Exactly what I think.
RAM Engineer
03-26-11, 09:40
Its really easy to avoid the whole nomenclature BS.
16" or shorter is an AR15 carbine.
Bigger than 16" is an AR15 rifle.
"M4gery" is an internet BS term.
Best post I've seen all week. It was worth a necropost for that to be repeated.
Absolutely no need to resurrect a 4 year old thread and argue about it.
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