Has you Life Clock run out?

[wild_wild_wes]

Logan's Run?

http://feedingthepuppy.typepad.com/.a/6a00e550f497668834010536983f7e970c-800wi

Ezekiel J. Emanuel (advising the Obama administration on health care reform):

“Services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia.”

http://www.ncpa.org/pdfs/Where_Civic_Republicanism_and_Deliberative_Democracy_Meet.pdf

“When implemented, the Complete Lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated. The Complete Lives system justifies preference to younger people because of priority to the worst-off rather than instrumental value.”

“Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives through different life stages rather than being a single age. Treating 65-year-olds differently because of stereotypes or falsehoods would be ageist; treating them differently because they have already had more life-years is not.”

http://www.thelancet.com/journals/lancet/article/PIIS0140-6736(09)60137-9/fulltext

Cass Sunstein (head of the White House Office of Information and Regulatory Affairs):

“I urge that the government should indeed focus on life-years rather than lives. A program that saves young people produces more welfare than one that saves old people.”

http://www.papers.ssrn.com/sol3/papers.cfm?abstract_id=421341

Those socialist mother****ers.

If they try implementing this "Complete Lives System", as part of health care reform....then it's ****ing WAR....

[SteyrAUG]

They are just trying to give us nothing for something.

Politics as usual.

[Eliakim]

“When implemented, the Complete Lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated. The Complete Lives system justifies preference to younger people because of priority to the worst-off rather than instrumental value.”



Gee, I always figured that people in the 15 to 40 years old age bracket generally don't have major health issues. But as you get older you tend to wear out and need serious healthcare or face a short retirement and an early death.

This looks like the government has finally decided to cut down on the number of Social Security recipiants in a really big way. To put it in the words of Ebenezer Scrooge; "they had better do it now, and decrease the surplus population.":eek:

[wild_wild_wes]

Ezekiel Emanuel:

“Adolescents have received substantial education and parental care, investments that will be wasted without a complete life. Infants, by contrast, have not yet received these investments. Similarly, adolescence brings with it a developed personality capable of forming and valuing long-term plans whose fulfillment requires a complete life. … It is terrible when an infant dies, but worse, most people think, when a three-year-old child dies and worse still when an adolescent dies; this argument is supported by empirical surveys…. Importantly the prioritisation of adolescents and young adults considers the social and personal investment that people are morally entitled to have received at a particular age, rather than accepting the results on an unjust status quo….”

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“…the complete lives system produces a priority curve on which individuals aged between roughly 15 and 40 years get the most substantial chance, whereas the youngest and oldest people get chances that are attenuated.”

Some objections and answers -
Objection: “The complete lives system discriminates against older people.”
Answer: “Unlike allocation by sex or race, allocation by age is not invidious discrimination; every person lives thru different life stages rather than being a single age. Even if 25 year olds receive priority over 65 year olds, everyone who is 65 years now was previously 25 years.”

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“Promoting and Rewarding Social Usefulness”: "The method is “Reciprocity” which “Rewards those who implemented important values, past oriented” and then they recommend using this but “Include only irreplaceable people who have suffered serious losses.”

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"Substantively, it (complete lives system) suggests services that promote the continuation of the polity-those that ensure healthy future generations, ensure development of practical reasoning skills, and ensure full and active participation by citizens in public deliberations-are to be socially guaranteed as basic. Conversely, services provided to individuals who are irreversibly prevented from being or becoming participating citizens are not basic and should not be guaranteed. An obvious example is not guaranteeing health services to patients with dementia."

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Isn't that interesting. This extreme leftist is a Eugenecist as well....just like the Nazis were....

[Alex F]

That's one of the stupidest ideas I've ever seen.