Can we have an AR pistol piture thread?

[geminidglocker]

I've finished my lower and am looking for ideas on whitch upper style to choose.
Lets face it, AR-15 pistols just look awesome.

[freakshow10mm]

CA legal pistol
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Guns/PC090077.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Guns/PC040059.jpg

Pistol I built for local LE department
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/Guns/PC030053.jpg

Machine pistol:D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/NFA%20Stuff/P5080185.jpg

[geminidglocker]

Nice rig. It seems as though i like AR pistols, most folks just don't bother with them. I just wanna see some badass pics. mine is'nt done yet, but if this thread survives long enough, I'll post pics of my half-way finished pistol.

[freakshow10mm]

I sell a lot of AR pistols to California. I'm trying to get a few built up with high end parts, like Magpul furniture, Noveske barrels, etc.

[Omega_556]

How do you sell those to California? What about the approved handguns list, and other BS they have there, how do you get around that?

[freakshow10mm]

how do you get around that?
Exemptions. I'm using their own laws against them. The DOJ can't do jack about it. We've got their backs against the wall and will have the roster list null and void by 2010. That's how I roll. My company specializes in giving the CA DOJ migraines and legal chaos that won't go away.

[Omega_556]

Sweet, please explain...

[geminidglocker]

Bummer, =I WAS STILL HOPING FOR SOME PICS?

[freakshow10mm]

Sweet, please explain...
Look the magazine in the first two photos I posted. Notice anything out of the ordinary?

[TOMTOM]

Single shot exemption. Once its DROS'D as a pistol, switch out the sled for a 10 round mag, making sure to have some sort of mag lock or "bullet button".

[Omega_556]

Look the magazine in the first two photos I posted. Notice anything out of the ordinary?

I do now, what is that some sort of delrin plug?

Good for you, that is great that you are sticking it too them...

[freakshow10mm]

Bobsled single shot competition "magazine" installed with a magazine lock that requires a tool to drop the mag. It's not a detachable mag since you can't use your digit to manipulate the release. There is no law preventing someone from rendering a single shot pistol to semi auto after DROS (Dealer Record Of Sale, CA term). Use the tip of a round of ammunition to release the sled magazine and install a 10rd mag. Semi auto AR15 that's CA legal. Been doing this since last summer and the CA DOJ hates my guts. That means I'm doing my job.:D

[geminidglocker]

Anyone got any pics?

[Lumpy196]

I still have never seen anyone demonstrate how these are anything more than toys.

[geminidglocker]

Ofcourse they are toys. They are totally impractical, but the are cool anyway. Some folks like single shot rifles, to me those are silly aswell.

[LonghunterCO]

I still have never seen anyone demonstrate how these are anything more than toys.

http://i99.photobucket.com/albums/l318/Longhunter-CO/P1150029.jpg

No argument, range toys. Fun all the same.

[technique]

How do you sell those to California? What about the approved handguns list, and other BS they have there, how do you get around that?

A complete single shot <---(thats the exemption for the dealers record of sale/DROS) may be had in Ca.

Here is my contribution.

5.56

Aircraft Armament (Los Gatos, Ca.) pistol lower
Random Cardinal stripped upper
Old Colt 1/7 barrel I had sitting around cut to 7.5in
Colt FA BCG
PRI CH
Daniel Defense 7.0 M4 rail
Ace buffer kit
Magpul MIAD
IIRC...Highstandard LPK
Tango5 EBR
Troy BUIS
some KNS pins

Duracoated Tactical FDE


http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/ZARpistolFDE004.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/ZARpistola001.jpg
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/ZARpistola002.jpg

[geminidglocker]

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm196/davecharlie08/ARpistolAUGUST002.jpg
I used a lower receiver parts kit from Midwest Industries for the action mechanism , and though it came in a clear plastic bag with no name brand, I am pleased with it. I like light triggers so when I'm sitting around watching TV I Dry fire it With foam ear-plugs stuffed into the workings to prevent frame battering.

[geminidglocker]

Uhhhh...., anyone got any suggestions:confused: on where I should go with this build?

[technique]

Uhhhh...., anyone got any suggestions:confused: on where I should go with this build?

Just my n00b opinion..you have two ways of looking at it.

Realize and embrace the impracticality of the AR pistol.

Get the smallest barrel you can find and just have fun plinking, making a huge fireball, and generally scaring the guys to the left and right of your bench.

or

Try to make it as practical as possible.

That being making it the size of your average SBR. 10.3in-12in barrel.






What do you have in mind cal. wise?

[geminidglocker]

It'll be 5.56, to match my rifle. I plan on using a Noveske 10.5 with a pigtail gas tube, and KX3 FH. Yes, it will be impractical but I'm just trying to build a fun gun. Also, I am just curious to see if I can build a reliable AR pistol. I just want an impractical, yet impressive plinker.

[technique]

It'll be 5.56, to match my rifle. I plan on using a Noeske 10.5 with a pigtail gas tubr, and KX3 FH. Yes, it will be impractical but I'm just trying to build a fun gun. Also, I am just curious to see if I can build a reliable AR pistol. I just want an impractical, yet impressive plinker.

I first started mine with a La France (?) gas tube and KX3. I personally found the KX3 and PWS CQB to be too heavy for my liking when not counter balanced with a buttstock. Over all just front end heavy. The PWS making it more so.

I ended up back at an A2 FH and a standard gas tube. With 55gr. I had cycling issues. Bumped it up to 62gr. and had some better results.

68gr-75gr.=flawless in my particular pistol.

The good thing about the KX3 and CQB was the fact the blast is directed away from you the shooter.

The 10.5 Noveske should suit you well. Thats an expensive plinker!

[geminidglocker]

Thanks for the advice. I had'nt considered shooting different weight bullets to acheive optimal results. Of course when I'm done I will probably come to the realization of all of the points you mention, but I'm sure gonna have fun building it and expanding my knowledge along the way. After all, that's what it's all about.

[LonghunterCO]

Save your money. The pigtail is not needed in a 10.5 build. Many pistol builders go to them when their 7.5" do not run and they, usually, still don't.

As to what to do with your build. As noted above, there seem to be two schools of thought build it (more)practical or build it fun.

Practical: Many of the build-practical guys build a weapon with the intention of eventually SBRing the reciever. The pistol lets you have/build the upper and get it all the bugs worked out (prior to the stamp coming back). Practical guys typically run 10.5"-12.5" builds.
Fun: Their mato "Go short of go home". 7.5" all the way. As to barrels, many are running DPMS KittyKats, few well heeled running Noveske's.

Couple thoughts depending on what way you leaning on the build.
-The KX3 adds 3"-3.5" to the barrel length if you are a practical guy then you are better off with the billistics of a 10.5" barrel for the same length.
-On the 7.5" barrel try to get a 1/7" twist. Reguardless of it being a range toy try to get at least one revolution before it leaves the barrel. The coolest build out there is no fun if you can not even hit the side of a barn at 7 yards.
-If you ever want to run a silencer on this build. Most silencer manufactures do not warrant their can on a 7.5" 5.56x45 barrel.
-Rails/CAR buffer tubes: Pistol builds are not to have a verticle foregrip. Some are concerned with a rail on a pistol build and being in possition of a VFG as being seen as having intent. As such they do not go with a railed forearm. Pistols are not to have the ability to to accept a stock. Some use a CAR rear receiver extention on a pistol build to save money. I would suggest using a dedicated pistol rear receiver extention. YMMV.
-My last comment [flamesuite on] Do what you want with your money but as posted above keep the weight off. These do not have a buttstock to counter ballance the weight of the weapon. Putting a billet upper/lower, 3lb rail system, KX3, Troy BUIS, M4 in a LaRue mount, and G2 light has a major chicks dig it factor but it quickly becomes a heavy pig. Parctical or fun I say "Go light or go home". When it stops being handy then it has lost its appeal. Going light, you will spend less money and probably shoot it more. [flamesuite off]

[geminidglocker]

Thanks for all the great advice. I am leaning towards practical, as I may SBR it someday. I've read of the impracticality of the 7.5" and that's why I've settled on the 10.5". Thanks for the tip about not really needing the pigtail gas tube with this set up. I'm not really worried about people to either side of my bench being bothered by the blast, as my shooting range is in my backyard. I have installed the ACE brand pistol buffer tube. I can start to see where weight(muzzle heavy) could be an issue so I will try to heed advice toward these ends. I obviously know I can't put a VFG on it, nor would I want one. I know that I'm dumping alot of money into a toy, but like I said, I'm having fun. I've got my Glock and my carbine for HD.;)

[TriggerFish]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/Z06M16A1/SDpistolL.jpg
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/Z06M16A1/SDPistolR.jpg
Sun Devil 6.5"

[Country DeVil]

Hey Triggerfish I like your flash hider where did you get it?

[geminidglocker]

Triggerfish has the right idea. I beleive that's a Tromix FH if i'm not mistaken.

[TriggerFish]

IIRC it's the "Shark Brake", I bought it more than 2 years ago for my M16, then learned it was not rated for full auto. It sat in the bin of unused stuff until David Beaty (head honcho of Sun Devil) got the pistol uppers running and available.

[LMarshall73]

Finished up my second AR Pistol this morning:

http://img256.imageshack.us/img256/9082/dsc01930.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/3966/dsc01931i.jpg
http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/2654/dsc01929m.jpg
http://img219.imageshack.us/img219/8295/dsc01928k.jpg

Built on a RRA lower and LPK, BCM upper, Kitty Kat Barrel, Spike's Pistol Tube and M16 BCG, Daniel Defense 7" Lite Rail, Magpul MOE Grip, MBUS, and ASAP plate, A2 flash hider, and Vicking Tactical light holder with a Surefire G2.

[geminidglocker]

That's a sweet looking rig. Sure they may not be too practical, but damned if they don't look BADASS!! IMHO. I'm considering mounting a Spikes Tactical flare launcher under the barrel on mine, just cause it it look cool. It's definitly getting a light and red dot, and a laser maybe?

[TKM]

I bought an AR Pistol lower from Freakshow10mm. back on November 2, 2008. I have everything I need except for the lower that was paid for late last year.

Adam has ignored me and many other calguns guys for almost a year.

He's cheerfully claiming to have helped out us poor Californians but not so much.

Stop by Calguns before you spend any of your hard earned money.

If my first post can save you the hassle I've gone through then I've done a public service.:mad:

[freakshow10mm]

Yet you refused the lower I had for you and could send out right away. Your money is sitting in this lower I have ready to ship out that you refuse to accept.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/P9010001.jpg

[flecom]

Machine pistol:D
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/NFA%20Stuff/P5080185.jpg

dosent that VFG make it an AOW?

[kdcgrohl]

dosent that VFG make it an AOW?


Machine pistol = not an AOW.

[flecom]

= not an AOW.

i was under the impression that you could not add a forward grip to a pistol or it became an AOW, is there some exception for machine pistols?

[Alex F]

i was under the impression that you could not add a forward grip to a pistol or it became an AOW, is there some exception for machine pistols?

If the lower is a registered machine gun, or there is a RDIAS or registered lightning link in the lower, it trumps the SBR/etc rules.

You can therefore make a "machine pistol" with a VFG and not worry about it being an AOW.

[flecom]

If the lower is a registered machine gun, or there is a RDIAS or registered lightning link in the lower, it trumps the SBR/etc rules.

You can therefore make a "machine pistol" with a VFG and not worry about it being an AOW.

ah ok, that makes sense, well lucky him then :D

[TKM]

I purchased a pistol lower. Unless you can provide a pistol lower you are failing to meet your end of the bargain.

I refuse to violate California state law. I have to live here.

Do you believe that sticking a pistol buffer on a rifle lower somehow makes it legal?

Dazzle me with your legal advice or refund my money.

[QuietShootr]

Nice rig. It seems as though i like AR pistols, most folks just don't bother with them. I just wanna see some badass pics. mine is'nt done yet, but if this thread survives long enough, I'll post pics of my half-way finished pistol.

Probably because the people who actually use guns know how useless AR pistols are. You might have more luck at TOS, home of the "i want my gunz to look teh badazz" window-lickers.

[geminidglocker]

OH MY GOD!!!!! When I finally finish my AR Pistol, I'm gonna post it in the General AR forum. How come, on a forum like this, we keep barking legality issues? We don't see this in the NFA forum. If AR pistols were NFA, would'nt they be posted there?????Hello people????:confused: And I just wanted to see some photos. YIKES!

[TKM]

Yet you refused the lower I had for you and could send out right away. Your money is sitting in this lower I have ready to ship out that you refuse to accept.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v239/freakshow10mm/P9010001.jpg


The lower that you offered me several days ago in lieu of the one I purchased last year?

Don't try to make me the bad guy. The Calguns.net forums will reflect your character with regards to your business practices.

I can not apologize for requesting satisfaction.

I spent my money in good faith and have received nothing of value since November of last year when you cashed my check. Offering me your left-overs instead of what I paid for does not give me a warm and fuzzy.

Please refund my money by USPS Money Order or Cashiers Check. I'd like to take your check, but I'm not feeling particularly charitable.

[geminidglocker]

WTF!!!!!!! This threads CRAZY!!!!! I give up. Keep your pics to yourself, I wish I never asked. :(

[technique]

I purchased a pistol lower. Unless you can provide a pistol lower you are failing to meet your end of the bargain.

I refuse to violate California state law. I have to live here.

Do you believe that sticking a pistol buffer on a rifle lower somehow makes it legal?

Dazzle me with your legal advice or refund my money.

You do realize that the lower need not be marked "PISTOL" right? You do realize that every other state is not like CA right? You do realize that Adam is a 07 right?

Sounds like you have a lack of understanding....I hope you have more than a lower coming other wise you are assed out anyway.

[geminidglocker]

Can this thread just get closed already, I'm sorry that I wanted to see some AR pistols.

[TKM]

You do realize that the lower need not be marked "PISTOL" right? You do realize that every other state is not like CA right? You do realize that Adam is a 07 right?

Sounds like you have a lack of understanding....I hope you have more than a lower coming other wise you are assed out anyway.
.
I'm sorry you have a lack of understanding. Freakshow advertised and sold (accepted money for anyway) California legal AR pistol lowers. A pistol lower in California must be transferred as a pistol. This includes a single shot magazine and a bulllet-button type magazine release so as to avoid the California state Assault Weapons classification. I've been trying to do this in a California legal manner since November of last year.

All I want now is my money back. I just want my money back. Nothing complicated. Give me back my money. Sell what you've got lying around to someone else.

Adam advertised California Legal Products for Californians. His being an 07 doesn't matter if he doesn't do anything with it. November was a long time ago.

I miss my money, give it back.

Set my dollars free.

[technique]

TKM, replied to you at Calguns.net in your own thread instead of continuing the hijacking of this thread....I pointed out the flaws in your statements here. At least there more than just I can point out how wrong you come across sounding regarding your own state laws...




geminidglocker,

Here is what my pistol looked like before the paint and re-do....

Lets keep this thread going...looks a lot better in FDE huh?
http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/IMG_0044.jpg

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/IMG_0045.jpg

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/IMG_0046.jpg

http://i285.photobucket.com/albums/ll42/technique408/IMG_0047.jpg

[TKM]

Gold, silver, federal reserve-notes. I don't care as long as I get my money back.



Pay up or look like a loser.

Your call. Loser!!!! Rip-0ff artist!!!!


Scum-bag, rat-bastard. Your call. I've got nothing more to lose.



You've already snorted /drunk my money. All I can do now is amuse myself by digging into your background. Stand by.

[technique]

Gold, silver, federal reserve-notes. I don't care as long as I get my money back.



Pay up or look like a loser.

Your call. Loser!!!! Rip-0ff artist!!!!


Scum-bag, rat-bastard. Your call. I've got nothing more to lose.



You've already snorted /drunk my money. All I can do now is amuse myself by digging into your background. Stand by.


If you start your own thread I will join you...as I have been jacked too. Here, TOS, any forum he frequents......

[georgen23]

My friends AR pistol with a Noveske N4 upper/Lower 10.5, stag LPK. http://i51.photobucket.com/albums/f360/firemedic337/IMG_0098-1.jpg

[freakshow10mm]

Gold, silver, federal reserve-notes. I don't care as long as I get my money back.



Pay up or look like a loser.

Your call. Loser!!!! Rip-0ff artist!!!!


Scum-bag, rat-bastard. Your call. I've got nothing more to lose.



You've already snorted /drunk my money. All I can do now is amuse myself by digging into your background. Stand by.
I am working on your refund. Seeing as how your money is tied up in the product you no longer want, I have to sell it to give your refund.

[geminidglocker]

I am working on your refund. Seeing as how your money is tied up in the product you no longer want, I have to sell it to give your refund.

Get the **** out of my thread already!!!!!!!!!! Try PM'ing the guy. WTF?????????????????????:mad:

[flecom]

http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/Z06M16A1/SDpistolL.jpg[/IMG]
http://i30.photobucket.com/albums/c314/Z06M16A1/SDPistolR.jpg[/IMG]
Sun Devil 6.5"

this thing is freaking awesome... more info please?

[kaiservontexas]

MOAR PICS LESS YAP1111

*My grammar reflects my annoyance.*:mad:

[freakshow10mm]

Get the **** out of my thread already!!!!!!!!!! Try PM'ing the guy. WTF?????????????????????:mad:
OK, I'll stay out of your precious thread while the other guys walk all over it.

[AM9000]

back on topic.....

http://www.the9000.com/arp.jpg

SPIKES PISTOL LOWER
LMT UPPER
DD 7" RAIL
PRI FLIP UP FRONT SIGHT
BCM BCG
AIMPOINT T-1 on Larue QD
KAC REAR MICRO SIGHT

[mos2111]

I still have never seen anyone demonstrate how these are anything more than toys.

Late to the party, but I have a former Marine friend who has taken both and AK and AR pistol to the Tiger valley bug out drill. I met him when he pulled an AK pistol build out at a 300 yd KD stage. I introduced myself when he hit 26 out of 30 with the AK, I have seen him do the same with a 10 in AR pistol. If you take the time to learn how to use the system, they are as effective as an SBR.

The nice part is you can fit the smaller ones in a backpack for survival/bug out stuff and not have to break it down.

[Dirk Williams]

I picked up a Carbon 15 in 223 a few years ago along with a couple of FN's. Shot fine until I put a dot system on it and tighten the pinch bolts down. The gun then seems to lock up. Took off the otic and the gun worked fine again.

I had read on one of these subject area's that some of you guys were using the Pistols for some sort of other projects. I seem to have a block I remember it was a series of initials or numbers. Anyway I thought it was some sort of mod or a rebuild using the parts.

Somebody straighten me out.
Dirk

[Dirk Williams]

Are the Carbon 15's worth a shit. Should I keep it or sell it and invest in something better.

Dirk

[da_shotcaller]

Nice pic of some AR pistol

[VooDoo6Actual]

8.5" LWRC 6.8 SPC w/ HK Troy sights (.270 lower) T-1 & LT 660HK

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/LWRC68SPC2.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/LWRCPISTOLCRG19115.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/LWRCPISTOL7.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/LWRCPistolCRG1911-1.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/IMG_0771Large.jpg

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/IMG_0775.jpg

[LonghunterCO]

Did you mill out your LT mount?

[VooDoo6Actual]

no, it came that way.

[da_shotcaller]

Nice set up hoploethos. Did you built it yourself or you bought the complete upper?

[VooDoo6Actual]

Thank you.

I bought weapon in Pistol configuration and added components / accoutrements / de rigueur (i.e. T-1, LT660HK mount, Troy HK flip up BUIS, M600C ) I prefer.

[da_shotcaller]

It looks great. I got a 6.8 spc but it's a rifle configuration. Just wondering how is it in pistiol configuration? Is it controllable or can you really feel the difference?

[VooDoo6Actual]

da shotcaller,

Check.

The ONLY differences regarding PSD to Pistol configuration is the proprietary Gunsmoke Ind. Recoil hardware on receiver that LWRC uses.

6.8 SPC pistol uses same recoil components as the 5.56 mm pistol.

Regarding the recoil, my opinion & tactile perception is this. It feels similar to a 5.56 mm recoil w/ a slight umph w/ a fairly intense blast impulse :eek:

Definetly less than my Noveske N6's which are to me very manageable.



There are several different ways to mount and shoot it.

There is an SAS method used on the MP5's using sling tension that works fairly well if you practice it.

There is a cheek weld method that works well. Make sure to exhale as you breath, clinch your jawline and relax.

An IPSC style pistol shooting method that works OK, but not my favorite for accuracy and distances beyond 50 yds or so.


Recent pic deployed on protection gig w/ LWRC 6.8 mm Pistol.

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/CopyofLWRCProtect2.jpg

Better pic w/ Boss's new ride CAD Escalade ESV (Hardened)

http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/CopyofCopyofIMG_0828Large.jpg

HTH...

YMMV...

[evilblackgun]

Forgot to white out the reflection on the SUV.:eek::D

[da_shotcaller]

Hoploethos thanks for the info. But I think I'll just stick with my original plan of 5.56 build. I enjoy shooting my 6.8 SPC but with ammo being hard to find and getting too expensive it might be a good idea to stick with 5.56 mm. Maybe 6.8 spc in pistol configuration some other time.

[VooDoo6Actual]

da shotcaller,

No problemo amigo.


Be ADVISED the 5.56 in a SBR/Pistol role (under 10") does NOT have sufficient velocity/energy to be considered efficacious. Fragmentation will also be an issue.


I'll spend the $2.00 a round to save someone's life in a AOP for real considering what I make for real.


AS far as a plinking round / training round, definitly not financially viable imo.

[da_shotcaller]

Hopeleotos thanks for the advise. I'm not really worried about fragmentation issues at this time since this is design for a non moving paper target :D.

I've been reading some of the topics in here about 7.5" AR pistol and majority agree that this is mostly a toy/ range gun. I also read this article 2 days ago I think it's on SWAT magazine. They got an article in there about Troy m7a1, it's their new 7.5" SBR. What really interest me in there was the test he did with level III vest at 50 yards.

[LonghunterCO]

What really interest me in there was the test he did with level III vest at 50 yards.

Am I to assume that it did well?

[da_shotcaller]

Am I to assume that it did well?


Yes it did well. The author said he shot 4 rounds and all went thru the vest with trauma plate.

[VooDoo6Actual]

da shotcaller, for your consideration in case you had not seen this yet....

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QFvjkNeDF8&feature=related

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1SntQ7s7k&feature=related

stay well...

[da_shotcaller]

Hopeloetos I've seen this before. Like what I said before I also own a 6.8 SPC in carbine version. I've been a fan of 6.8 SPC when Barrett first showed it. To be honest I shoot more 6.8 than my 5.56 when I go to the range. The pistol I'm building is gonna be a range toy so I guess 5.56 will be enough.

I wouldn't jump in to a conclusion that 5.56 is not a good caliber. Any trained operator knows the capability of 5.56 and they definately won't use cheap ammo when it comes to protection detail.

I like the video of future weapons. It would have been realistic if the SUV drove off right away instead of sitting idle while the rest of the protection details is shooting it out.



da shotcaller, for your consideration in case you had not seen this yet....

Part 1

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5QFvjkNeDF8&feature=related

Part 2

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pM1SntQ7s7k&feature=related

stay well...

[VooDoo6Actual]

Check.

Not sure why they didn't Get O X when AOP went down either, I would have....

[da_shotcaller]

I don't know either. Maybe because the show was geared in to showing how effective the 6.8 SPC compared to 5.56 mm. I still wouldn't doubt the effectiveness of 5.56mm even with a level III vest with trauma plate. I wouldn't get caught toe to toe with someone firing a 5.56mm in full auto. I know I 'm lucky but I'm not Superman :D


Check.

Not sure why they didn't Get O X when AOP went down either, I would have....

[foxjordan22]

http://c4.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/54/l_6e1c9df88a5a413c8043ca150c99f35f.jpg
5.56 PWS diablo 7" upper gas piston vltor receiver
complete spikes pistol marked lower
st-t2 buffer
daniel defense fixed front and rear sights
daniel defense 1/3 micro T1 mount
aimpoint T1

[da_shotcaller]

Finally got my AR Pistol built today... It's simple unlike some of the AR pistol in here that you guys own.

[da_shotcaller]

Another pic with a red dot which i took from my rifle. Just want to try to see if it'll look good with a red dot.

[VooDoo6Actual]

Foxjordan,

Nice blaster.


How does she shoot ?

[geminidglocker]

http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm196/davecharlie08/ARPISTOL09007.jpg
Mine is lookin' good.

[Evil Colt 6920]

[QUOTE=geminidglocker;514924]http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm196/davecharlie08/ARPISTOL09007.jpg
Mine is lookin' good.[/QUOTE
LMAO i love it :D

[mil_dot556]

back on topic.....

http://www.the9000.com/arp.jpg

SPIKES PISTOL LOWER
LMT UPPER
DD 7" RAIL
PRI FLIP UP FRONT SIGHT
BCM BCG
AIMPOINT T-1 on Larue QD
KAC REAR MICRO SIGHT

Sweet setup.

[foxjordan22]

Foxjordan,

Nice blaster.


How does she shoot ?

thanks. its been a blast to shoot. its getting alot of attention at the range. reliable so far around 600rnds. getting use to shooting it as it is my first ar pistol. its not that bad at all.
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/6/l_64407605453e460b9d9a01d5bd009250.jpg

[VooDoo6Actual]

thanks. its been a blast to shoot. its getting alot of attention at the range. reliable so far around 600rnds. getting use to shooting it as it is my first ar pistol. its not that bad at all.
http://c1.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/6/l_64407605453e460b9d9a01d5bd009250.jpg



Yeah,

Looks good


Flame thrower just in case you miss :)

[foxjordan22]

ya. i like your sight setup on your LWRC 6.8. i prefer a lower cheek weld on my AR rifles and think your lower HK sights and mounts would work great for me. thanks for the idea.:D

[Overton-AR]

Here is Mine

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v510/yfz450air/IMG_1704.jpg

[geminidglocker]

I got fed up with trying to buy peice by peice and just went ahaed and ordered RRA 10.5 complete upper. Should be here in a few days.
ETA: It's here.
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm196/davecharlie08/ARPISTOL09002.jpg
http://i296.photobucket.com/albums/mm196/davecharlie08/Rabbithuntingpistol001.jpg

[SouthParkTactical]

I got my Pistol put together around xmass time, but the below zero cold spell kept me from shooting her till last week.

http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/kinthemountains/Tacticool/1_15_10_ShootingSession006.jpg



I only put 110 rounds down range, but initial impressions are quite favorable! Of course she also makes me want an SBR even more now :)

[vbrtrmn]

Okay, you guys inspired me, here's my first AR... I'll do a standard 556 next; this one just kind of came together. Honestly, I didn't really trust the R-Guns receiver, it was finished poorly and didn't want to build a good rifle with a low-end receiver.

AR-15 pistol in .22 caliber.

Sportswereus/R-Guns Virgin Lower Receiver
Unknown Upper Receiver with 5-inch 1/12 twist barrel
CMMG .22 LR Conversion Kit
2 Black Dog magazines
MagPul Industries MOE Enhanced Trigger Guard
MagPul Industries MOE Pistol Grip
DPMS Parts Kit
Schuster Forward Assist Plug
Spike's ST-22 Pistol Plug and sling adapter
AimShot red dot sight
Braided paracord lanyard/sling thingy

http://guns.jobson.us/d/79-2/DSCI1019.JPG
http://guns.jobson.us/d/83-1/DSCI1021.JPG
http://guns.jobson.us/d/92-1/DSCI1025.JPG

[SouthParkTactical]

^^^ Thats a cool little blaster, look like fun!

[vbrtrmn]

^^^ Thats a cool little blaster, look like fun!

Thanks! Haven't tried it out yet, hopefully tomorrow.

[geminidglocker]

That looks like a ton of fun! Totally unique!;) By the way, I'm already dreaming of building my next AR pistol, only I'm not gonna be able to do so for quite some time, as I have bills to pay.

[SouthParkTactical]

Here are some more pics of my AR Pistol.


http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/kinthemountains/Tacticool/AR15Pistol002.jpg



http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/kinthemountains/Tacticool/AR15Pistol001.jpg



http://i69.photobucket.com/albums/i80/kinthemountains/Tacticool/AR15Pistol004.jpg


Spikes Pistol Lower
Spikes Pistol Buffer Tube
Spikes ST-T2 Buffer
BCM 11.5 upper
BCM BCG
MIAD Grip
MBUS

[da_shotcaller]

Finally after few months my simple pistol is now looking how i really want it. Attached is the new pic of my pistol

[LMarshall73]

A few more pics of mine:

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2782/4479610962_a9fced6cb5_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2790/4478984267_28f8ffa721_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2579/4478984235_638fdd7e3a_o.jpg

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2705/4478984183_1bd0dd90cc_o.jpg

http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4013/4479286187_1b3da6ffaf_o.jpg

I have quite a few changes coming soon. If the big brown truck shows up while I'm home next week, I should have some new pictures to share. :D

[vbrtrmn]

I have quite a few changes coming soon. If the big brown truck shows up while I'm home next week, I should have some new pictures to share. :D

Is that the Levang Linear Compensator? How do you like it?

[LMarshall73]

Is that the Levang Linear Compensator? How do you like it?

It is. It works okay with that barrel. I will be swapping out a longer barrel that I will put a Noveske KX3 on. The Levang is hard to beat for the price when it comes to taming the fireball out of a barrel that short!

[tsconver]

my new little friend,

Spikes Tactical 7.5" concussion upper
Spikes Tactical complete lower with Magpul MAID Grip
Not sure on optics and sights yet, think I am going with a TLR-2 and moving my Aimpoint to it and putting a ACOG on my M-4, not sure if I will put any BUIS on it or not, thoughts?

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/benumb55839/M-4/DSCN0006-2.jpg

[VooDoo6Actual]

imo,

Yes, Troy/Noveske or whatever you like.


Let us know how it shoots etc.

[tsconver]

imo,

Yes, Troy/Noveske or whatever you like.


Let us know how it shoots etc.

Probably will not get to run anything through it until mid next week. I was playing with my aimpoint and it does not seem very useful, may just put the TLR-2 on it and nothing else.

[tsconver]

added some accessories to the new pistol, MBUS are arriving on thursday.

http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/benumb55839/M-4/DSCN0015-2.jpg

[gcp]

Not as pretty as some of yours but I love my composite Bushy non-the-less.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/George/AR15%20and%2045%20ACP/Bushy.jpg

[120mm]

Honest question, isn't it a bad idea to run a carbon fiber lower without a buttstock?

Seems to me they have a propensity to fail aft of the pistol grip without it.

Maybe someone can correct me if I'm suffering from BOGINT on that.

[gcp]

Why would it fail without a buttstock? Are you talking about screw holes and such? Because truth is there's no real pressure involved in the upper or lower. So far I've heard no issues with the Bushy carbons but if anyone has info to the contrary please do provide. Got to say that I absolutely love how light and mobile this pistol is and shooting it is a true blast.

[Xpertz1]

http://img101.imageshack.us/img101/1300/kimber001.jpg

[Roadblock]

HRMMM...

I've always thought these AR pistols were ugly because of the lack of stocks so I've never had interest in one. Unfortunately, I live in a non-SBR state so I can't do a short barreled rifle. :(

After looking at some of these pictures and seeing other pictures of people shoulder firing these with just the tubes on them, well hell it practically is a SBR but for legal purposes, it's a pistol.

What buffer tubes work the best for shoulder firing these "pistols" cough cough. :D

What all options do you have? Those foam covered ones look comfy.

[120mm]

Why would it fail without a buttstock? Are you talking about screw holes and such? Because truth is there's no real pressure involved in the upper or lower. So far I've heard no issues with the Bushy carbons but if anyone has info to the contrary please do provide. Got to say that I absolutely love how light and mobile this pistol is and shooting it is a true blast.

I've seen some pictures of them failing where I've put the red line.

http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc3/hs619.snc3/32549_1375333517838_1666843362_912493_2274916_n.jpg

Evidently there is stress put on by the action, which is normally muted by having the buttstock tucked into your shoulder. As explained to me, the stress causes possible failure in that area.

I'm interested in anyone elses' experience in this.

[Xpertz1]

I use Spikes Tactical Pistol Buffer Tubes and have had no problems. Also use their buffer and spring. The foam cover is nice but will sometimes interfere with the Charging handle if not installed and cut properly. You cannot use a rifle buffer tube as this makes it possible to stabilize a Buttstock. Not legal.

This upper has actually been fired full auto with a friends registered NFA lower and functioned beautifully.

[Just_Plain_T.]

I have a Spike's pistol lower with their foam installed on the buffer.

It's comfortable to shoot and works well. The only issue is it does catch the charging handle some. It's not to the point that it interferes with operation, but it does add some friction when manipulating the charging handle.

It really does not bother me that much.

[gcp]

120mm, I very much appreciate the info but can you please provide pics or additional info if available? Like years of manufacture of affected pistols.....And on my end I too will further investigate through Bushmaster and report back to the group. I truly hope it's nothing to worry about because I realy like this pistol but if there are reliability issues it'll go back for replacement/refund for sure.

Thanks again,

[Xpertz1]

Logically speaking, that is the weak spot on a Carbon Fiber Lower. if you hit the Buffer Tube against a doorway or fall to the ground and hit it the wrong way, it's going to break right there. Definitely not made for rough handling like a forged lower.

[gcp]

I could see it breaking, if it hits the ground or cement/rock just right, but that doesn't bother me as much because 1) such an event is not at all dangerous to health and limb and 2) a replacement lower from Bushmaster at $184 is not at all expensive. The upper on the other hand would be a bit more of a hastle to replace due to the barrel.

I made a custom carry bag and the pistol stays in it unless I am shooting, and I've never dropped a pistol while shooting so I'm not much worried about such an event occurring. Now watch it happen next time I go out :D

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/George/AR15%20and%2045%20ACP/IMG_6918.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/0703/George/AR15%20and%2045%20ACP/IMG_6920.jpg

[Boogwardo]

Almost done with it.... A Big thanks to Spike's for helping me out with this project.

[shadow65]

My newest Pistol Build
Rainier Ultra Match 5.56 7.5" Stainless Barrel
Rainier Low Pro Stainless gas block
BCM M4 upper reciever
BCM FA Bolt/Carrier
Levang Comp
Spikes Pistol Lower
RRA Standard FCG
A.R.M.S. #40 Rear Sight
MI Flip Up Front Sight.
H2 buffer
MI 2 Piece Free Float
TLR2 Light/Laser
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/AR_Pistol_001.JPG

[blade_68]

I thought I'd try one so.
BCM upper
BCM BCG
Spikes Buffer
Magpul Rear Sight,
MOE
my old 552 EO for now
over 150 rnds no malfuntions BETA mag and few Pmags.

[Rayrevolver]

6.8 SPC LWRC 10.5" upper with an RMR on top.

http://i783.photobucket.com/albums/yy117/rayrevolver/Public/th_CIMG0055.jpg (http://s783.photobucket.com/albums/yy117/rayrevolver/Public/?action=view&current=CIMG0055.jpg)

[AirMech74]

My first AR Pistol...a work in progress. Will be an SBR in the near future.

http://i146.photobucket.com/albums/r268/jaymzb74/Gun%20pics/ARPistol.jpg

[fp2000h]

Okay, here we go. Parts list to follow. The pics are at the bottom. Expensive but worth it is my story and I'm sticking to it. I didn't include in the package pricing cost of other accessories, mags, ammo. What a hobby!

P.S. It sucks having to pay sales tax on LT gear because you live in Texas, but they make good stuff!

stripped Mega M4 upper $115
stripped Mega no-logo lower $135
RRA LPK w/ 2 stage trigger $180
CMT upper receiver parts $25 approx.
SPikes Tactical pistol buffer tube assembly $45
Ergo grip $20
Magpul MS2 $50
LaRue 9" rail $273 + tax
BCM standard 11.5" barrel $235
Phantom 5C1 FH $30
LaRue gas block $69 + tax
carbine gas tube $12
LaRue BCG $130 + tax
Gasbuster CH $89 + tax
Aimpoint ML3 $350
LT 129 mount $140 + tax
LT Po' Boy $199 + tax
LT offset light mount $89 + tax
Surefire G2Z $75 approx.
TROY rear BUIS $120
TROY fron BUIS w/ tritium insert $144 + tax

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/FP2000H/040101_0779.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/FP2000H/040101_0780.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/FP2000H/040101_0782.jpg

http://i18.photobucket.com/albums/b127/FP2000H/040101_0783.jpg

[shadow65]

Very nice build. It adds up in a hurry. Took me a few months to get the parts to put mine together. Fortunately, I had some parts sitting around that needed a home.
Dave

[LMTRocks]

Damn you all inspring me to make a 7.62x39 AR pistol. :D

Here's the 10.5" puppy I've been working on since May.

http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn346/gunguyshots/P7030001.jpg
http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn346/gunguyshots/P7020002.jpg
http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn346/gunguyshots/greenwithenvy1.jpg
http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn346/gunguyshots/P7070063.jpg
http://i320.photobucket.com/albums/nn346/gunguyshots/P7070067.jpg