BAC
08-17-09, 15:02
If you thought the guy in New Hampshire had cojones, you'll like this guy. His answer is pretty good too. (cross-posted from Lightfighter)
Source: clicky (http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/08/17/20090817obama-scene.html)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/black_knight_reborn/17Aug2009PhoenixAZpresidentialaddre.jpg
Caption: "A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at 3rd and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip, and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault rifle) on a strap over his shoulder."
Obama: 'Honored and humbled' to speak before veterans
Police report no arrests or calls for medical assistance
by John Faherty - Aug. 17, 2009 11:10 AM
The Arizona Republic
President Barack Obama came to Phoenix this morning to address the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention.
But the real story, was on the streets outside the downtown convention center, where the corners were packed with vocal opponents and supporters of the his health-care reform plans.
Obama began to address the veterans at 10:06 and finished at 10:39.
Minutes later, he was on his way to the airport and Air Force One, which will take him back to Washington.
Almost immediately, the crowds in the city began to dissipate because of the president was gone the temperatures were rising.
Beginning before 7 this morning, people on both sides of the health-care divide arrived to make clear their positions.
The epicenter of the debate was the corner of 3rd and Washington streets.
People on both sides were chanting and counter-chanting to make their points.
Signs were waved and fingers were pointed, but the overall mood in the city was more excitement than anger.
All morning long, Phoenix police
reported no arrests or calls for medical assistance.
Throngs of people, some supporting the president's plan to reform the system, and some opposed to his plan, are milled about, expressing themselves with their voices, hand-made signs, and t-shirts.
Douglas Ducharme, 50, a dispatcher from Tempe, was dressed like the grim reaper in a black hood and gray cape, standing on the corner of 2nd Street and Adams.
Holding a sign that said AARP
NOW RIP, he was protesting any changes to the current healthcare system. "This is America. We have the right to choose and the freedom to choose," he yelled.
Army reservist, Lt. Corey Harris, 33, of Peoria, said he just returned from Iraq eight days ago.
He said he has experienced first hand the ability of the government to help administer health care.
"As someone who has been involved in the VA system, I've seen the great job government can do in getting involved in health care," Harris said. "Everyone deserves health care."
Jane Kibler, 56, of Florida, member of the Ladies Auxiliary to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, was on her way over to the convention hall to hear President Obama speak.
She described herself as a Democrat and said she voted for Obama, but said this would be the first time she'll have heard him speak in person.
She said veterans are really looking forward to what he has to say. "I know they (vets) do have some concerns about veterans' benefits."
There were pockets of people on both sides of the health care debate walking around the city.
Elaine Gangbluff, 73, of Phoenix, held a sign that read: If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free.
"I'm strongly opposed to government running health care. That should be between my doctor and myself," she said.
She added that she is also opposed generally to the president's administration.
"We're printing money we don't have, and borrowing money we can't pay," Gangbluff said.
But those in favor of health-care reform are also out in large numbers.
A line of people in support of the new plan reached down Washington Street between 3rd and 5th streets.
One sight was perhaps a little unnerving to those in charge of making sure everybody remains on their best behavior.
A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at 3rd and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip, and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault rifle) on a strap over his shoulder.
"Because I can do it," he said when asked why he was armed. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms."
Two police officers were staying very close to the man.
"What he is doing is perfectly legal," Det. J. Oliver, of the Phoenix Police Department said. "We are here to keep the peace. If we need to intervene, we will intervene at that time."
Jim Mariman, an Idaho veteran of the Korean War and the Vietnam War, was spending his time outside the convention center rather than in it.
"What we are seeing here is people speaking their minds and their hearts," Mariman said.
Mariman is opposed to Obama's health-care reform plan, but enjoys the fact that those who disagree with him, can disagree with him openly.
"These people can protest because I gave them the right."
There have been some instances of the debate turning a little more contentious.
Leonard Clark, of Phoenix, called himself an Independent.
Standing on the corner near 3rd and Washington streets, he stopped and said those opposed to health-care reform were only doing so because the president "is Black."
Immediately, a group of people opposed to the president's plan surrounded him, yelling "race baiter, race baiter, race baiter" at the top of their lungs.
Doug Ducharme, of Tempe, was one of those yelling.
"This has nothing to do with the president being Black," he said. "My ex-wife is Black."
Another protester, 12-year-old Micah Vandenboom, was there with her parents.
She held a sign that made clear her opposition to the president's health-care reform plans.
"Under Obama, everyone will get the same health care, that's socialism," she said. "It has failed in other countries, you know, like Europe."
Brave dude. Very brave dude. Bet the pundits won't have much to say given the hue of his skin. I found it particularly interesting that immediately under the title is a proclamation of how (essentially) orderly the event was (arrests & injuries). This wasn't exactly a town hall meeting, though, but I'm actually glad the event was peaceful, given the fellow open-carrying.
-B
Source: clicky (http://www.azcentral.com/community/phoenix/articles/2009/08/17/20090817obama-scene.html)
http://i12.photobucket.com/albums/a213/black_knight_reborn/17Aug2009PhoenixAZpresidentialaddre.jpg
Caption: "A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at 3rd and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip, and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault rifle) on a strap over his shoulder."
Obama: 'Honored and humbled' to speak before veterans
Police report no arrests or calls for medical assistance
by John Faherty - Aug. 17, 2009 11:10 AM
The Arizona Republic
President Barack Obama came to Phoenix this morning to address the Veterans of Foreign Wars national convention.
But the real story, was on the streets outside the downtown convention center, where the corners were packed with vocal opponents and supporters of the his health-care reform plans.
Obama began to address the veterans at 10:06 and finished at 10:39.
Minutes later, he was on his way to the airport and Air Force One, which will take him back to Washington.
Almost immediately, the crowds in the city began to dissipate because of the president was gone the temperatures were rising.
Beginning before 7 this morning, people on both sides of the health-care divide arrived to make clear their positions.
The epicenter of the debate was the corner of 3rd and Washington streets.
People on both sides were chanting and counter-chanting to make their points.
Signs were waved and fingers were pointed, but the overall mood in the city was more excitement than anger.
All morning long, Phoenix police
reported no arrests or calls for medical assistance.
Throngs of people, some supporting the president's plan to reform the system, and some opposed to his plan, are milled about, expressing themselves with their voices, hand-made signs, and t-shirts.
Douglas Ducharme, 50, a dispatcher from Tempe, was dressed like the grim reaper in a black hood and gray cape, standing on the corner of 2nd Street and Adams.
Holding a sign that said AARP
NOW RIP, he was protesting any changes to the current healthcare system. "This is America. We have the right to choose and the freedom to choose," he yelled.
Army reservist, Lt. Corey Harris, 33, of Peoria, said he just returned from Iraq eight days ago.
He said he has experienced first hand the ability of the government to help administer health care.
"As someone who has been involved in the VA system, I've seen the great job government can do in getting involved in health care," Harris said. "Everyone deserves health care."
Jane Kibler, 56, of Florida, member of the Ladies Auxiliary to the Veterans of Foreign Wars, was on her way over to the convention hall to hear President Obama speak.
She described herself as a Democrat and said she voted for Obama, but said this would be the first time she'll have heard him speak in person.
She said veterans are really looking forward to what he has to say. "I know they (vets) do have some concerns about veterans' benefits."
There were pockets of people on both sides of the health care debate walking around the city.
Elaine Gangbluff, 73, of Phoenix, held a sign that read: If you think health care is expensive now, wait till it's free.
"I'm strongly opposed to government running health care. That should be between my doctor and myself," she said.
She added that she is also opposed generally to the president's administration.
"We're printing money we don't have, and borrowing money we can't pay," Gangbluff said.
But those in favor of health-care reform are also out in large numbers.
A line of people in support of the new plan reached down Washington Street between 3rd and 5th streets.
One sight was perhaps a little unnerving to those in charge of making sure everybody remains on their best behavior.
A man, who decided not to give his name, was walking around the pro-health care reform rally at 3rd and Washington streets, with a pistol on his hip, and an AR-15 (a semi-automatic assault rifle) on a strap over his shoulder.
"Because I can do it," he said when asked why he was armed. "In Arizona, I still have some freedoms."
Two police officers were staying very close to the man.
"What he is doing is perfectly legal," Det. J. Oliver, of the Phoenix Police Department said. "We are here to keep the peace. If we need to intervene, we will intervene at that time."
Jim Mariman, an Idaho veteran of the Korean War and the Vietnam War, was spending his time outside the convention center rather than in it.
"What we are seeing here is people speaking their minds and their hearts," Mariman said.
Mariman is opposed to Obama's health-care reform plan, but enjoys the fact that those who disagree with him, can disagree with him openly.
"These people can protest because I gave them the right."
There have been some instances of the debate turning a little more contentious.
Leonard Clark, of Phoenix, called himself an Independent.
Standing on the corner near 3rd and Washington streets, he stopped and said those opposed to health-care reform were only doing so because the president "is Black."
Immediately, a group of people opposed to the president's plan surrounded him, yelling "race baiter, race baiter, race baiter" at the top of their lungs.
Doug Ducharme, of Tempe, was one of those yelling.
"This has nothing to do with the president being Black," he said. "My ex-wife is Black."
Another protester, 12-year-old Micah Vandenboom, was there with her parents.
She held a sign that made clear her opposition to the president's health-care reform plans.
"Under Obama, everyone will get the same health care, that's socialism," she said. "It has failed in other countries, you know, like Europe."
Brave dude. Very brave dude. Bet the pundits won't have much to say given the hue of his skin. I found it particularly interesting that immediately under the title is a proclamation of how (essentially) orderly the event was (arrests & injuries). This wasn't exactly a town hall meeting, though, but I'm actually glad the event was peaceful, given the fellow open-carrying.
-B