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i own a springfield M1A Scout. I've dressed it up with a mil-surp fiberglass stock painted OD, an MI light mount (no light on it right now), a harris bipod, and polymer cheek riser from Desert Warrior products. it sports a gen III SA scope mount, and (for now) a 3-9x $150 scope. Given the opportunity to have either this rifle or one of the various .308 AR variants out there, which would you pick, and why?
Littlelebowski
08-19-09, 20:43
AR variant. Cheaper, more accurate, easier to work on, better to mount optics on, inherently more accurate. Did I mention more accurate without expensive stocks and/or bedding and aftermarket parts?
renegade0351
08-19-09, 21:04
actually have both, loaded m1a {21" barrel} and bm bar10 {16" barrel}. prefer the m1a, you can do more to the ar10's youself as far as swapping out barrels but guess i'm just an m1a guy and i prefer the 21" + barrels over the shorty's. just me i guess. i did get the bar10 to swap out the 16" for a 24" for longer range but havent gotten around to it just yet. picked up the troy mcs last month, gonna replace the ace stock with a magpul prs.
http://i270.photobucket.com/albums/jj111/renegade0351/m1atroypic1.jpg
Depends on what you want to do with it.
Personally, I've never seen a 308 AR that wasn't finicky as all get out about ammo and mags. But like LL said, a lot of it is who built the rifle (both M1a and 308 ARs). I added it up once and to get really amazing, built like a tank & modernized M1A/M14 you're going to spend WAY over 3500 bucks.
Here's an example (extreme):
Bought a Norinco M14s for the forged receiver, sold off the parts for a 100.00 or so. 750.00
Had it built by Fulton Armory, 2270.00
Put it in a Troy Industries Chassis 580.00 (Dealer price if I recall correctly)
Troy front and rear BUIS 150.00
10 or so new 20 and 25rd Checkmate Industry Magazines 290.00
LMT FDE SOPMOD Stock 215.00
Magpul FDE MIAD 30.00
Magpul Rail Covers 6x 60.00
Trijicon scope and qd mounts 550.00
Surefire X300 150.00
So, in that one M14s I have: 5045.00
AR variant. Cheaper, more accurate, easier to work on, better to mount optics on, inherently more accurate. Did I mention more accurate without expensive stocks and/or bedding and aftermarket parts?
Absolutely true, but if you need it to run buy the M1A! I don't care for M1A's and find AR types too finicky. Go FN FAL.
BLACK LION
08-31-09, 11:24
That is a phukin bad ass m1/m14.... I love that "EBR" look on them...
I agree with considering a DSA SA-58 FAL as well...
An AR10 I would build from the ground up....
Littlelebowski
08-31-09, 12:33
My DPMS LR308 gobbles up everything from 147gr surp to Federal match.
When I was considering a precision gas gun the boys at GAP said the DPMS is as good as any. I've owned Eagle and Armalite and gave up on both. I've really considered just building a 6.5 or 6.8 but might have to revisit the issue.
Anybody with hands on experience with the Rock River LAR-8 .308?
VooDoo6Actual
09-04-09, 12:24
Both have their attributes.
With the current available configurations / options and real world operational deployment they CAN both be excellent choices.
I have used both operationally. Mine FLAT out run w/ ZERO issues.
Albeit, they do take some tweaking which is why you have SEI / GAP / Noveske work out the kinks etc.
I Don't have a favorite, they both are heavy comaparatively speaking to a M4 platform. BUT both comaparatively PENETRATE and a range superior to an M4 platform. Always a tradeoff there no doubt.
Ergonomically different in safety placements, charging mechanisms etc .
FWIW, both basically come in realistically @ somewhere about 13 lbs w/ all the MENs accoutrements.
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/IMG_0528Large.jpg
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/IMG_0503.jpg
HTH....in your quest...
decodeddiesel
09-04-09, 13:17
http://i40.photobucket.com/albums/e225/teehee321/IMG_0503.jpg
HTH....in your quest...
I like how you flipped around the LaRue SPR mount. That is one hell of a nice MK14.
VooDoo6Actual
09-04-09, 13:36
Check.
Thank you SIR !
I do not like pistol griped rifles in 30 caliber, except for the AK-47 and it's assault rifle round. In .308 Win/7.62 NATO I would certainly prefer an M1A style of rifle. The AR was not designed for 30 caliber rounds and a novel rifle should be developed in this caliber range. Without such a rifle the M1A is well suited to the intermediate range envelope.
I love the living shit out of my M1A's. The M14 is the superior battle rifle......blending power and accuracy. The ergonomics of the traditional furniture are outstanding. Excellent sight radius, large pills, low recoil (for a .30 cal), etc.
The most I see folks doing with AR-10s at the range is figuring out how to get their rifles to cycle. My M1A's have never had one single malfunction. They require maintenance, but you ave a lot more residue from the larger round.
My three amigos as I call 'em....I would love a scout!!!!!!
http://i219.photobucket.com/albums/cc6/hammonje/ThreeAmigos1.jpg
hammonje are your Springfield M1A standard models? What ammo do you shoot?
Thanks.
Stam-knees
09-11-09, 21:47
"The AR was not designed for 30 caliber rounds"
Sorry but you're wrong there.
Please read, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AR-10
The 7.62mm AR-10 came out first. The 5.56mm AR=15 came next.
If you like the M1A, thats cool. I owned one for many years. Then one day I realized it was not the rifle for me anymore.
hammonje are your Springfield M1A standard models? What ammo do you shoot?
Thanks.
The top 2 rifles are NM and the bottom is a standard model built up to NM specs with the original barrel (bedding job, trigger mod, gas cylinder unitization, etc.). All have been accurized with hooded rear apertures.
Ammo ranges from M80 Ball (147gr) to 175 SMK handloads. Accuracy is phenomenal and sights are incredible. Excellent sight radius and firepower. You can shoot more accurately on paper with an AR-15, but when it comes to hitting objects hard at distance the M1A is hard to match.
I was unaware of the AR-10 before AR-15 design....thanks for the info. The AR-10 still sucks though...look at all the issues with the M110. Out of commission....if they would just have the balls to implement an intermediate catridge and design a NOVEL rifle.
VooDoo6Actual
09-11-09, 22:46
http://www.imisp.com/~noveske/n6cqb.mpg
LockenLoad
09-12-09, 21:20
what about a SCAR they are starting to come out, I have heard some great first hand accounts on there accuracy, should be plenty lighter too, my Socom ll was a pretty heavy gun
rrpederson
09-13-09, 11:00
im a little old fashioned i guess, but of the 2 listed choices, to fulfill the long range engagement necessity, i would run a standard issue m14 with a decent scope on it. although i have personally never owned either, my dad has. so i can say that i have put a good deal of rounds through both. i couldnt honestly speak of the cost, but the way i see it, sometimes, simpler is better. its design that has proven itself time and time again. i know that the ar platform is a great platform for all sorts of rounds, i personally just prefer the m14 in a 7.62 round. i like the feel of a beautifully crafted wooden stock, mated to a well-broken-in springfield action. heck, i even like their iron sights. in the ar platform, i like them to be in 5.56. to suit other purposes. just my opinion though.
rrpederson
09-13-09, 12:18
im a little old fashioned i guess, but of the 2 listed choices, to fulfill the long range engagement necessity, i would run a standard issue m14 with a decent scope on it. although i have personally never owned either, my dad has. so i can say that i have put a good deal of rounds through both. i couldnt honestly speak of the cost, but the way i see it, sometimes, simpler is better. its design that has proven itself time and time again. i know that the ar platform is a great platform for all sorts of rounds, i personally just prefer the m14 in a 7.62 round. i like the feel of a beautifully crafted wooden stock, mated to a well-broken-in springfield action. heck, i even like their iron sights. in the ar platform, i like them to be in 5.56. to suit other purposes. just my opinion though.
I'm ashamed to say I have a Springfield M1 Scout that I've had for almost a year and a half that I haven't shot. I messed up and "loaned" my sand bags to a friend and he busted them so I haven't even tried to sight it in yet.
Interesting thread thanks guys
Matt
M1A scout vs 308 AR ....http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/PolishX/_0004100.jpg
That is dope!!!!
Now get some USGI mags from 44mag.com. Those T57-type mags are good only for the range. I sold mine off for $25 a pop.
how can you tell they are T-57 mags?
The ones you see a lot of now that are labeled 'T57' or 'New Taiwanese Production' are generally blued instead of phosphate finished. Oh, and you'll never find an actual COO (Country of Origin) on them anywhere. Current speculation is that they're coming out of VietNam and being moved thru either Korea or Taiwan to get them into the US.
There used to be a great write up for free from 'Different', who's probably one of the most knowledgeable M14/M1A history/fraud SMEs you can talk. Unfortunately the guide appears to be be MIA currently.
http://www.imageseek.com/m1a/book.html
Anyhow, short version, make sure that any magazines you buy are from CheckMate Industries and you can't really go wrong. Their 20rd M14 magazines are current USGI and the rest of their line is GTG, especially their 25rd mags.
I said "T57-type" not T57 mags. I knew they were either fake T57's or perhaps the real deal.....who know's????? They come in brown oiled paper like those you have shown.
Get the Checkmate Industries 20-round USGI mags ($23/mag). Skip on the 25-rounders as they look retarded and what is 5 more rounds of 7.62x51 NATO going to do that you can't do with 20. They also interfere with clearance in the prone position.
Nice rifle.
ah ok . I will begin researching my mags and find out ...
M1A scout vs 308 AR ....http://i738.photobucket.com/albums/xx27/PolishX/_0004100.jpg
Bro,that rifle is badass! I have a SOCOM2 and wanted to ditch the rail and fiberglass stock (nostalgia reasons ) and put a nice wood stock and an aimpoint.where dod you get the handguard with the integrated rail? Is that a springfield piece? thanks in advance and didn't mean to hijack
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