Dragonskin FAILS

[DocGKR]

What a surprise...The following decision from the Armed Services Board of Contract Appeals shows that the now apparently defunct Pinnacle Armor LIED about the previously much lauded Dragonskin protective capabilities: http://docs.law.gwu.edu/asbca/decision/pdf2009/55831.pdf

[Abraxas]

They apparently did not watch future weapons:rolleyes:

[JLSKIP]

They apparently did not watch future weapons:rolleyes:

Are you being sarcastic?

[Shotdown]

Is this another test that they ran on Dragon Skin? The last test said it failed too.

[rubberneck]

I wonder where Karl Masters goes to get his good name back after being slandered by Murray Neal and his groupie's. On another note, didn't you test a vest and write a favorable review that was posted on Pinnacle's home site? If it wasn't you than I apologize in advance.

[JLSKIP]

Is this another test that they ran on Dragon Skin? The last test said it failed too.

A brief summary of the 12 page document:

Government wanted level III armor.
Pinnacle said "Yeah, ours is level III"
Government buys armor from Pinnacle.
Turns out the armor Pinnacle sold them has only been tested and certified as level IIIa, which is lower that level III.
All other testing that was done did not adhere to required testing methods for properly determining armor level rating for the government contract.
That means Pinnacle lied, the dragonskin was only IIIa rated and therefore Pinnacle failed to delivery the requested number of level III armors by requested date.

Obviously from 12 pages to that brief summary, I left some stuff out. Is there anyone else who has read this document? Is this a fair summary?

[MisterWilson]

Sounds about right from what I read.

[Abraxas]

Are you being sarcastic?

Yes I am

[DocGKR]

Karl Masters has served our Nation honorably; he and his family deserve the utmost respect for their sacrifices.


"On another note, didn't you test a vest and write a favorable review that was posted on Pinnacle's home site? If it wasn't you than I apologize in advance."

In the Fall of 2006, we did do a limited evaluation of the Dragon Skin SOV-2000 level III 10"x12" armor panel for a CA LE agency. This LE agency test used protocols similar to the NIJ Type III flexible armor test protocol; not surprisingly, when tested for the LE agency, the Dragonskin armor performed exactly as it did in the Fall 2006 NIJ certification test--stopping all rated shots. Pinnacle did publish excerpts of these publicly available test results on their website. However, what Pinnacle did not show was the fact that we recommended that the LE agency in question NOT purchase Dragon Skin and instead procure another vendor's armor, as there were too many unanswered questions about Dragon Skin and it needed to undergo substantial additional durability and ballistic testing prior to giving any consideration of using it as a standard issue item. Also note that in every lecture/briefing I have ever given, I have consistently stated that Dragon Skin was NOT an acceptable issue item.

[rubberneck]

Thanks for clearing that up. I read your comments on their site at the height of all their B.S. And came away with the impression that you were a supporter. Considering what a lowlife Neal is I suppose that was what he intended.

[DocGKR]

Currently another armor company, EGI (http://www.expertguns.com/shop/catalog/product_info.php?products_id=28), has publicly claimed I "consulted" on their armor when in fact my total "consultation" consisted of a 10 min telephone call where I cautioned them on the problems with steel plates and a brief email exchange.

With a few exceptions, most armor companies are not known for their veracity...

[rob_s]

Seems like armor companies and suppressor companies are vying for the title.

[DocGKR]

But how often does a bad suppressor lead to injury or death compared to failed armor...

[rob_s]

I agree completely. I was just commenting ton the odd similarities. Certainly no comparison in terms of repercussions.

[167]

DocGKR, do you mind naming the "few exceptions" that you speak of? I am just curious.

[DocGKR]

http://www.fresnobee.com/business/story/1615866.html

[Blob]

I thought that the discs on Dragon Skin were held together with some sort of adhesive which would melt in high heat (like the inside of a humvee in Iraq) and the armor would basically fall apart. True?

[Jack-O]

Having had some experience with the AFOSI whilst in the service (as a supplier not an investigee) I can say that they are a profoundly simplistic and arrogant agency (like the FBI, but worse). They depend more on myth, bravado, and bluster more than actual facts, intelligence, intellect or good procedure.

Therefore it is in no way suprising to me that these simpletons would have been taken by an organization that appears to masters at the same thing.

It takes a con to con a con i guess:p

They deserve each other :cool: