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Hawkeye
02-07-07, 22:03
Dont know how this happened. Went by the store today to pick up something, and get a transfer set up for something my wife wants, I get home, and this thing was in my hand. Oddest thing.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Guns/MP-1.jpg

M4arc
02-08-07, 05:46
WOOHOO!!!

:D

ISAIAH53
02-08-07, 06:32
That very thing has happened to me twice. Go figure. :confused:

Robb Jensen
02-08-07, 07:47
It's weird, and the next thing after it that will follow you home looks very similar just smaller. :D

John_Wayne777
02-08-07, 08:18
A lesser man would be extremely angry that Hawkeye ended up with his M&P last night while said man is STILL waiting on his weapon to show up. A lesser man would be about to tear his own face off from the unrelenting frustration of winning an auction for a pistol on 1/9 and STILL waiting for it to arrive due to the bumbling antics of a group of morons who make the Keystone Cops look like MENSA members.

A lesser man would be in his office screaming "DOES THIS MAKE YOU HAPPY, GOD? DO YOU ENJOY TORTURING ME LIKE THIS? IS IT *FUN* FOR YOU TO SEE ME SQUIRM? DO YOU LIKE PUTTING ME IN THE MIDDLE OF THE DUMBEST GROUP OF FFLS IN THE ENTIRE NATION AND THEN DERIVE PLEASURE FROM WATCHING ME GET JERKED AROUND LIKE A BALLOON TIED TO AN EPILEPTIC KID'S ARM?? AND NOW YOU HAVE TO HAVE SOMEBODY ELSE GET EXACTLY WHAT I SHOULD HAVE ALREADY HAD AND POST A THREAD RUBBING MY NOSE IN IT??" so loudly that spittle would cover his monitor while pounding the desk hard enough to actually damage the nice cherry finish.

A lesser man would be outraged that the universe is essentially puking all over him (in a figurative AND a literal sense) and is trying hard to make him climb a clock tower with a rifle.

A lesser man would do all of that, but not me.

I am above it all.

I would post more and congratulate Hawkeye on his new purchase, but the clock tower is going to close for repairs this afternoon and I have some stuff to get together....

Hawkeye
02-08-07, 08:27
I love you man. :)

Bout that clock tower....might want to join you.;)


Based on what you have said that you like about 1911's, and like/dont like about Glocks, I really think you are going to like this gun.

Hawkeye
02-08-07, 08:33
Some initial thoughts.... I havent had a chance to fire it yet, so the following is all just from some brief dry fire and handling.
I am pitting this against my Glock 17, so thats where much of my camparison comes from.
Right off the bat I can say, I really like the "feel" of the grip. Thats nothing new as I liked it when I first held one last summer. I have always liked the grip of my Glocks, but Sigs and 1911's always "felt" just a tad better to me. The M&P is very Sig/1911 like in that regards. When picking a target across the room, going to a low or compressed ready, closing my eyes, and then raising the gun to point at the target, I find that upon opening my eyes I am almost always on the target. With my G17 I see to be off a bit on occasion. The different grip pieces are giving me some cause to think though, as I find all 3 of them to feel really good. Guess I am going to just have to try all three at the range and find out which works the best. I was hoping that one would really stand out to me, but it doesnt.
The trigger on Glocks, especially one with a few rounds through it, has never bothered me. However, I have always liked a 1911 trigger a bit better. The M&P trigger feels to me, very, VERY, similar to a 1911. The biggest difference being a slightly longer reset.
I have always shot a 1911, accuracy wise, better than any other handgun. I can shoot my Glock 21 close enough in that regards to not really be an issue. However, having the issues with the grip safety on a 1911 that I do, all the accuracy in the world doesnt do me any good if the gun wont fire when I want it to. Thats why I switched to Glocks. I am looking forward to being able to shoot my Glock 17 and my M&P9 side by side. My initial impression is, that the M&P may just give me the best combination of a 1911 and a Glock. Range time will tell, but I am impressed, so far.

Now I just need some night sights and mags for it......

Boris
02-08-07, 12:21
My initial impression is, that the M&P may just give me the best combination of a 1911 and a Glock.

That's the reason I chose the M&P9 over the Glock, XD or even a 1911 in 9mm. Not a lot of experience with anything other than .45ACP 1911, but now that the M&P is available, it offers everything the polymers can provide, yet keeps me as close to "Old Slabsides" as I can get ergonomically.


Now I just need some night sights and mags for it......

The mags aren't inexpensive and that's a bummer. I swapped to a Dawson Precision fiber optic front post and love it. I don't feel the need for night sights on mine and I've left the white dot stock sights on the rear contrary to most who don't prefer white dots (although I have used electrical tape to blacken them out for a range session for comparison sake). I also went with the small backstrap and used the Hogue Hand-All grip sleeve to replicate how I have my Sig 220 set up and that seems to work nicely for my medium size hands. See my pics on the "Everything Else Handgun pic" thread if interested.

-Boris

VA_Dinger
02-08-07, 12:23
Now I just need some night sights and mags for it......

Join the club.

:D

Hawkeye
02-08-07, 12:40
I really like 3 dot tritium night sights. However, I am thinking of getting a 10-8 rear and a factory tritium front. Thoughts?

Hawkeye
02-08-07, 12:45
Has anyone found a good place for mags yet? I see the M&P store has them. Is there a better source?

Joe R.
02-08-07, 14:09
I really like 3 dot tritium night sights. However, I am thinking of getting a 10-8 rear and a factory tritium front. Thoughts?

I'm running the 10-8 rear with a tritium front on both of my M&P 9s and it works very well.

VA_Dinger
02-08-07, 15:53
I'm going to wait for Novak or Heinie to make M&P sights. I've changed my mind about U-notch sights, I'm sticking to the old square notch from now on.

TOrrock
02-08-07, 16:00
<------- is so far successfully resisting drinking the kool-aide.


Maybe when the .45 ACP version comes on line. :cool:

RyanS
02-08-07, 16:51
<------- is so far successfully resisting drinking the kool-aide.


Maybe when the .45 ACP version comes on line. :cool:

Me too. But I have to say with the Fall of Hawkeye, the end of the world may be that much closer. I'm dreading the day I log on and happen to see Jeff aka USMC03 post "Why M&P9s? Why 9mm?". I'll surely know that it's time for me to run for the hills.

M4arc
02-08-07, 18:28
Me too. But I have to say with the Fall of Hawkeye, the end of the world may be that much closer. I'm dreading the day I log on and happen to see Jeff aka USMC03 post "Why M&P9s? Why 9mm?". I'll surely know that it's time for me to run for the hills.

:D

That's freaking hilarious right there!

Joe R.
02-08-07, 19:15
I'm going to wait for Novak or Heinie to make M&P sights. I've changed my mind on U-notch sights.

I wasn't sure I'd be a fan of the U notch sights either. After trying them on 4 of my guns now I'm sold. The U notch offers the same precision as a standard square notched sight as you align the top of the sights for precision shooting. The U just allows slightly faster gross alignment of the front dot into the rear notch for faster shots.

John_Wayne777
02-08-07, 20:09
Well tomorrow it would have been a month since I tried to get my M&P. I was on my way to the clock tower.....err......somewhere.......when I got the call from the local FFL who caused me such pain and grief.

"We have a package for you."

Could it be? I dared not hope. I went in expecting them to have me confused with someone else but lo and behold!

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0042.jpg?t=1170983905

I could hardly believe my eyes. It all seemed so....so unreal. As soon as I could I got home and began to snap some pictures before I awoke from the dream I supposed myself to be in.

First I disassembled the weapon to take a look:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0073.jpg?t=1170984000

A pretty simple process.

Because I am a big fan of the properly executed 1911, people often think I despise polymer pistols. That's not entirely true. I own and have owned several polymer pistols....I just don't find them to be as good a weapon *for me* as my trusty 1911. As proof that I have nothing against the plastic fantastic, I decided to to a comparison of the M&P 9mm with a couple of other polymer 9mms:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0043.jpg?t=1170984167

Upon disassembly, one of the things that really struck me about the M&P is that the slide rides *only* on steel:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0045.jpg?t=1170984230
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0046.jpg?t=1170984265

In the above photos the Glock disassembly tool is pointing at the rather generous chunks of steel that the slide rides on in the M&P. These steel pieces appear to be entirely removable and thus replaceable. They also *appear* to be considerably stronger than the steel inserts in the Glock and the Walther P99:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0048.jpg?t=1170984396
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0049.jpg?t=1170984421

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0047.jpg?t=1170984447
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0050.jpg?t=1170984473

Now, how big a difference does this make in the long term reliability and durability of the M&P 9mm as compared to the Walther and the Glock? Beats me. The Glock/Walther arrangement seems to be more than adequate to provide reliable service over very long periods of time and very high round counts.

Next I did a dimensional comparison of the three pistols in the area I find most important in concealing a handgun...Width:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0059.jpg?t=1170984657
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0058.jpg?t=1170984719
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0057.jpg?t=1170984741
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0060.jpg?t=1170985610

Then I took a look at the slides:
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0053.jpg?t=1170984801
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0054.jpg?t=1170984821
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0055.jpg?t=1170984853
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0075.jpg?t=1170984883

Then the barrels:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0076.jpg?t=1170984914
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0077.jpg?t=1170984934

The Glock is slightly slimmer than the P99 or the M&P. I don't have a pair of dial calipers so I can show you just how much narrower the Glock is, but when handling the different pistols the difference is readily apparent.

The M&P feels like a bigger pistol than the P99 or the Glocks. (I know a G26 is pictured, but I have full size ones to use as a basis of comparison too) It also feels a bit heavier than the Glock or the P99. Still, the M&P feels very good in the hand and will most likely be much more pleasant to shoot than the Glocks.

John_Wayne777
02-08-07, 20:10
....Continued because of the 20 image limit.

Now a lot of people shoot Glocks just fine. Personally, I find them to be a rather painful option not just because of the stock trigger and sights, but also because of the slide bite:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0067.jpg?t=1170985226

You can see that the slide tends to run up over the web of my (rather large) hands when I take a business-like grip. (I am gripping lefty in the picture because unlike my pistols I can't shoot my camera left-handed...) After about 100 rounds with a serious grip the slide bite begins to draw blood. After 250 rounds nice deep train-tracks are dug into my skin that take weeks to heal.

Still, even if the Glock chewed half my hand off, I would prefer them if I could shoot them as easily as I can my 1911.

The M&P, however, won't have that pesky problem:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0068.jpg?t=1170985410

Even the slight addition of the beavertail on the M&P changes the geometry enough to protect my hand from slide bite.

Overall the M&P feels much better in my hands than the Glocks do, and it seems to point more naturally for me, probably because it comes very close to mimicking the feel of my favorite handgun:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0069.jpg?t=1170985572

The trigger on my M&P isn't the greatest, but the weapon is also brand new. It is still better than the Glock trigger, in my opinion, and indications are that with time and wear this will improve considerably. Even with a loose grip pulling the trigger all the way to the rear doesn't disturb the sights like the Glock trigger pull does, a factor that should make it easier to shoot well.

In the process of all this photography I figured out that my Galco Silhouette holster originally designed for the standard sized Glock family of pistols (9mms and .40s...) works just fine with the M&P:

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0062.jpg?t=1170985804

So now as a bonus I have a functional holster to do some range tests with.

Things I dislike immediately:

-- I don't like the 3 dot sights.
Blacking out the 2 rear dots should help this considerably. The rear dots are
so large and so bright that the eye is drawn to them instead of the front
sight.

-- The writing
Hoe-Lee-Shiite there is a lot of writing on this pistol's slide. Purely a
cosmetic thing and it has absolutely no impact on the weapon's
performance or suitability, but hey...I waited a long time for this thing
so I am entitled to gripe about whatever I want. No matter how
Queer-eye for the gun guy it sounds. =-p Besides, these lists always look
better when there are at least 3 items in them.

-- Nothing.
There is no third thing.

All in all, not bad.

http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y16/jwayne_777/IMGP0071.jpg?t=1170985872

I even managed to snap a picture with the M&P and my half-finished Eagle plate carrier training/SHTF rig. I am really looking forward to getting some rounds downrange with the pistol to see how it performs in my hands. So far I am pleased I made the decision to buy the pistol, albeit severely unhappy with the way in which the pistol finally got to me.

Thusfar my best piece of advice to those of you considering a purchase of the M&P is to find a RELIABLE FFL to do business with. If I could go back in time I would have just driven the couple of hours up to Robb's shop and bought the darn thing from him. He can count above 10 without taking off his shoes which seems to be light years ahead of what my local FFLs can do.

As I get more experience with the pistol I will certainly update everyone. This will be my sidearm for the Vickers Tactical AK class in March.

Hawkeye
02-08-07, 20:20
I'm running the 10-8 rear with a tritium front on both of my M&P 9s and it works very well.

Thanks. Any issues in low light with that setup?

Hawkeye
02-08-07, 20:21
I'm going to wait for Novak or Heinie to make M&P sights. I've changed my mind about U-notch sights, I'm sticking to the old square notch from now on.

Hmm... What about the 10-8 style rear do you not like?

Hawkeye
02-08-07, 20:23
Me too. But I have to say with the Fall of Hawkeye, the end of the world may be that much closer. I'm dreading the day I log on and happen to see Jeff aka USMC03 post "Why M&P9s? Why 9mm?". I'll surely know that it's time for me to run for the hills.

I wouldnt say I have fallen.......yet. ;) I still have all my Glocks. :D

Hawkeye
02-08-07, 20:33
JW, my friend, I am VERY happy for you that you got yours. I thought you would like this one. I will be interested in seeing how you like yours once you get it to the range.

M4arc
02-08-07, 20:37
Congrats JW!

I'm glad to see your M&P finally arrived and thank you for the great photos.

VA_Dinger
02-08-07, 21:13
I wasn't sure I'd be a fan of the U notch sights either. After trying them on 4 of my guns now I'm sold. The U notch offers the same precision as a standard square notched sight as you align the top of the sights for precision shooting. The U just allows slightly faster gross alignment of the front dot into the rear notch for faster shots.

Trust me, I'm glad you like them.

I just don't agree with this part:
"The U just allows slightly faster gross alignment of the front dot into the rear notch for faster shots"

I have not seen this myself, but I have seen their disadvantages for precision (15-25 yards & beyond) shots. The wider opening actually makes "Gross Alignment" as you call it harder. The bigger opening makes it "Harder" to get alignment between the three or at least it takes more effort.

IMO: I’m going to stick with traditional square notch Novak or Heinie sights myself when I buy replacement sights. I actually prefer the stock M&P sights over my Warren & 10-8 sights. Same thing goes for the stock HK45 sights. If my M&P had night sights I'd never touch them. That being said, this is just my opinion. Take it for what it’s worth.

trio
02-09-07, 00:06
i currently am running the warren tactical rear on mine with the tritium front and i like it plenty...

having said that, i am getting the MP9c and I will just be replacing the front sight with the tritium and leaving the rear as is...for me..and the kind of shooting i do (the kind that hits the bad guy, center of mass, at ranges typically 7-10 yards, and puts multiple holes there) either sight alignment is great so i dont see the need to spend the extra money right now...

i love these guns though..they have taken over as my carry/home defense weapons...

John_Wayne777
02-09-07, 09:33
JW, my friend, I am VERY happy for you that you got yours. I thought you would like this one. I will be interested in seeing how you like yours once you get it to the range.

Hopefully I will get some range time in tonight. We shall see.....

John_Wayne777
02-09-07, 09:35
Congrats JW!

I'm glad to see your M&P finally arrived and thank you for the great photos.

I'm hoping to do a series of posts on it so folks can see how it performs long term. I will be taking plenty of photos at the Vickers AK class of just equipment (no faces for persec...) so I figure I can sneak in a shot or two of the M&P doing some training rounds.

Joe R.
02-09-07, 10:31
Thanks. Any issues in low light with that setup?

I'm not sure what issues you might be eluding to. I run a front night sight insert w/plain rear sights in most of my guns. I find this to be the best system for me. When running a three dot tritium set up I find my eye drawn to the rear dots as they are the brightest and closest to the eyes. This is not what you want to be focusing on. Having said that I don't find this to be an issue with the Heinie straight eight sights that my Glocks wear because the rear dot is smaller and not as bright.

If you can't index the front sight into the rear notch by muscle memory (or at least get very close) you need to spend more time with the gun in your hand. In that same vein the argument that it might be so dark I can't see my sights at all holds no water either. If it's that dark your going to need a light source to positively ID your target as a threat. Once you light up the target it's a simple step to aligning your sights as they will be back lit by the light shining downrange.

Sights and sighting systems are a very personal thing. What works for one may not work for another. I find that a simple sight picture with my attention drawn to the front sight is best for me.

Joe R.
02-09-07, 11:14
I just don't agree with this part:
"The U just allows slightly faster gross alignment of the front dot into the rear notch for faster shots"

I have not seen this myself, but I have seen their disadvantages for precision (15-25 yards & beyond) shots. The wider opening actually makes "Gross Alignment" as you call it harder. The bigger opening makes it "Harder" to get alignment between the three or at least it takes more effort.

The sight picture that a U notch provides allows for equal precision as a standard square bottom notch. The top of the front and rear are still square and allow for the fine alignment needed for distance shooting. I wanted to see for myself if this was the case and proceeded to ring plates at 100-150 yards with my 10-8s just minutes after they were installed in my 1911.

You mention the Heinie sights. They have a greater amount of light between the sides of the front post and rear notch then most sights. I find this to be an advantage that I also see in the U notch. That space that you find disconcerting allows me to pick up the front sight faster.

If we really want to get into "splitting atoms" we could discuss "acceptable sight alignment/picture", but that might just be a discussion for another time.

As I stated in a previous post sights and sighting systems are a personal thing. There's more then one way to get lead on target.

Bulldog1967
02-09-07, 11:22
Now I just need some night sights and mags for it......

And a trigger job, and a melt treatment....:eek:

Hawkeye
02-09-07, 11:36
Night sights have been ordered. Trigger job will be accomplished via 1k rounds downrange. ;) No interest in the meltdown. Never have cared for that.

Neeglik
02-09-07, 12:50
Hawkeye,

If you don't mind, PM me some info on where you got it and what kind of price you scored. I'm going to be picking up one of these for the wife. It's the first gun that she's held that she's really fell in love with.

M4arc
02-09-07, 13:44
I'm hoping to do a series of posts on it so folks can see how it performs long term. I will be taking plenty of photos at the Vickers AK class of just equipment (no faces for persec...) so I figure I can sneak in a shot or two of the M&P doing some training rounds.

I think that is a great idea! I've been keeping track of my process with the M&P HERE. (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=2747)

If you did one with pictures that would be awesome. Also a direct comparison between the M&P9 and your G17 would be very informative.

Hawkeye
02-09-07, 13:52
FYI, Last night I began a comparison between my M&P 9, my Glock 17, and my wife's XD 9. Will have some of that info and pics up soon.

Stephen, I'll give you a call.

Dport
02-09-07, 13:53
I saw one of those evil pieces of plastic last night at Gander Mountain. I was not even tempted to pick it up.:p

M4arc
02-09-07, 13:58
FYI, Last night I began a comparison between my M&P 9, my Glock 17, and my wife's XD 9. Will have some of that info and pics up soon.

Stephen, I'll give you a call.

That would be excellent Hawkeye! I'm looking forward to it.

Hawkeye
02-09-07, 14:00
I saw one of those evil pieces of plastic last night at Gander Mountain. I was not even tempted to pick it up.:p

Seriously, you should at least pick one up and hold it.

John_Wayne777
02-09-07, 19:09
450 rounds through my M&P tonight.

No malfunctions.

The sights need to be adjusted and the dots need to go away, but even with that it shot just fine. I could confine my shots to one large ragged hole even without trying hard.

Not too shabby.

John_Wayne777
02-10-07, 12:16
Further update:

I blacked out the two rear dots on my sights and adjusted them to bring the shots to center of sight aim.

Blacking out the dots is a VAST improvement in the sights. I can pick up the front sight (it is still stock...) MUCH easier and MUCH more quickly now.

John_Wayne777
02-10-07, 12:17
If you did one with pictures that would be awesome. Also a direct comparison between the M&P9 and your G17 would be very informative.

I would love to!

....Only I got rid of my G17 years ago.....:D

M4arc
02-10-07, 17:50
I would love to!

....Only I got rid of my G17 years ago.....:D

Oh. Well I guess I could done a head-to-head comparison :)

Hawkeye
02-10-07, 21:05
I shot mine tonight, as well as my Glock 17 and my wife's Springfield XD 9. Had a friend with me who shot all three as well. Put about 150 rnds through the M&P. At first, the slide would not lock back on an empty mag after firing the last round, however, it would fully eject the fired casing. After about 4-5 mags full through it, it began locking back normally. I attribute it to just being new and needing to get a little wear on the recoil spring, etc.

More shortly.......

Matt Edwards
02-10-07, 21:17
Guys,
I had a similer problem today. I had an M&P follow me home. It came with a Bladetech holster and mag pouch with 3 mags which I though was kinda nice. It is a .40. I agree with all about the feel of the gun and I only shot 100 rds at the range. It's recoil felt like my 19...
I have some questions for you guys though. I use the slide stop to run the slide. The slide stop was so "sticky" I had to resort to my old TTP of pulling the slide. When the gun is empty, operating the stop to drop the slide almost can't be done. Doing it left handed it won' budge. Anyone else have this issue?
More often then not, when I dropped the mags to do a speed reload, the follower got "stuck". I'd have to screw around with the mag before I reloaded them. Anyone? Buler?
I bought (traded for) this gun 'cause I understand it to be a better option in .40 then a Glock due to the fact that it was disigned with that cartrige in mind. I really want to like this gun. If it just requiers to be broken in, so be it. I'd be a little miffed 'cause I've never even had a 1911 that needed to be broken in.
Thanks,
Matt
Hey Big Joe!

Hawkeye
02-10-07, 21:40
Matt, I only use it as a slide stop, not a slide release, so I cant comment on it being difficult to release the slide with.
I've never really had a gun that needed breaking in either, but, I always try allow for at least 500 rnds through a weapon before I am concerned with any issues that come up.

M4arc
02-11-07, 09:12
Matt - What is the serial number prefix of your M&P40?

I seem to remember that the earlier ones had some issues.

Matt Edwards
02-11-07, 09:46
MPMXXXX
I though it was a latter one...
Just so we are tracking, I had no stoppages of any kind. I was happy and impressed with the performance (even though it was just 100 rds).

M4arc
02-11-07, 10:59
MPMXXXX
I though it was a latter one...
Just so we are tracking, I had no stoppages of any kind. I was happy and impressed with the performance (even though it was just 100 rds).

That is a newer one. I remember there was some issues with the earlier ones but...

Have you tried working it for awhile to see if it loosens up?

Matt Edwards
02-11-07, 14:31
I'm on the working in thing. I'll let you know. Thanks.
Matt

Hawkeye
02-11-07, 14:43
In a similar idea as what JW777 did, I have been comparing my new M&P to my Glock 17 and my wife's Springfield XD 9. I took all three to the range last night and had a friend along as well as mentioned above. As a note, we ran the medium grip piece on the M&P. My hands a a bit larger than my friends, but we both felt that it fit us both the best.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Guns/Polys2.jpg

Before heading to the range, we did a lot of dry fire at home. Both of us found that the M&P was a VERY natural pointer for us. The XD was almost identical in that regards. The Glock 17 was usually off. Sometimes only a little, sometimes quite a bit.

After shooting them, we both found that the liked the M&P trigger the best, the XD 2nd, and the Glock last. The M&P and XD had nicer breaks, the XD having a bit more creep and takeup. The Glock does have the best reset of the 3 to us both, being shorter and more positive than the other two, but I think the M&P can be adjusted to be just as short and positive.

When it came to accuracy, we both found that our groups with the M&P were the tightest and very centered in relation to point of aim, with the XD coming in second and the Glock last. I was not suprised at my results in shooting the 17, as I have been having issues with it for a few months now. What did suprise me though, that that my friend seemed to have almost the exact issues. The rear sight on the 17 is moved pretty far right, yet both of us had our shots stringing to the left. Groups were not as tight and uniform as with the M&P and XD and had a number of flyers.

I noticed during firing, that the M&P was VERY fast back on target for me. Faster than the 17 and XD. I found that I could engage that target with fairly fast followup shots, yet maintained a very high level of accuracy and grouping. It is a very controlable handgun for me. My friend came to the same conclusions. His normal carry gun is a 9mm CZ, which he is pretty proficient with. He found that he could maintain virtually the same level of speed and accuracy with the M&P, right off the bat.

The only issues I had with the M&P is that it did not want to lock back on an empty mg upon firing the last round. It was completely ejecting the casing though. This gave me cause to wonder if the recoil spring was just a little stiff and needed a few rounds through it to settle it in. After about 4 mags or so, it did indeed start locking back after firing the last round.

All in all, we were both very impressed with the M&P. Moreso than I think I really wanted to be. I LOVE Glocks. I think they are a durable, reliable, accurate weapon. However, I must say that I definitely love the M&P.
It appears though, that the M&P likes ME a bit more than a Glock does. The M&P works with me very much like a 1911 used to. Its quite effortless for me to run. I think I am coming to a consensus here....

On an additional note, I decided to pic up a compact M&P 9 to compare with my Glock 19. The 9c is a tad smaller than the 19, but larger than a 26. So far, the 9c seems to have the exact same pointablility and handling characteristics of the fullsize. I hope to have some more on this once I can get these two to the range together to run them side by side. I have a feeling I know what the results will be though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Guns/Polys3.jpg


Here is a size comparison of them all together.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Guns/Polys1.jpg

Matt Edwards
02-11-07, 17:56
With my first few shots with the M&P I noticed it was VERY fast back on target, almost as fast as my Girl 19. I'm sure this is due to the fact that my MP is a .40.
It's looking like most of you perfer the 9mm MP.
Matt

Bulldog1967
02-11-07, 18:08
Great, now I'l have to get a 9c too. :eek:

John_Wayne777
02-12-07, 09:55
I have some questions for you guys though. I use the slide stop to run the slide. The slide stop was so "sticky" I had to resort to my old TTP of pulling the slide.


On the very first ones I handled I noticed that the slide lock was particularly difficult to operate.

My personal M&P, however, does not have this affliction. I was able to use it as I do the slide locks on all my semi-autos. (I use mine to release the slide from lock...)



When the gun is empty, operating the stop to drop the slide almost can't be done. Doing it left handed it won' budge. Anyone else have this issue?


Mine takes some significant force, but no moreso than my Glock 26 does.



More often then not, when I dropped the mags to do a speed reload, the follower got "stuck". I'd have to screw around with the mag before I reloaded them. Anyone? Buler?


My magazines seem to eject with a healthy vigor. Can't help you there. Try giving the magazines a good cleaning. My mags were filled with crud even being in brand new condition. Try disassembling them, cleaning them really good, and then applying a very small amount of CLP as a coating for the inside and see if that helps any.

Matt Edwards
02-12-07, 16:14
JW777,
When I said the followers get stuck, I mean in the mags them selves. The mags eject just fine. The issue occures when the empty mag hits the ground. I'm not loseing any sleep over it. I've seen it happen with meny mags that are steel with plastic followers.
Matt

John_Wayne777
02-13-07, 07:13
JW777,
When I said the followers get stuck, I mean in the mags them selves. The mags eject just fine. The issue occures when the empty mag hits the ground. I'm not loseing any sleep over it. I've seen it happen with meny mags that are steel with plastic followers.
Matt

Ah....

I guess I should read things more carefully.

My suggestion for sticky followers in the mag tube would be the same, though....I have discovered over the years that a good mag cleaning is often needed even for guns that are new in the box.

Matt Edwards
02-13-07, 12:21
Sorry for the confusion. I write with my feet.
Matt

Joe R.
02-13-07, 17:08
Sorry for the confusion. I write with my feet.
Matt

Boy I wish I could do that. It would keep my hands free for drinking!

Hey Matt!

Hawkeye
02-14-07, 22:00
It's weird, and the next thing after it that will follow you home looks very similar just smaller. :D

I meant to say that last Sunday, but you were exactly right.

Hawkeye
02-23-07, 18:18
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v86/Hawkeye1/Guns/MPTan.jpg

LOKNLOD
02-23-07, 19:15
pic

Krylon?

Hawkeye
02-23-07, 21:06
Yeah.

LOKNLOD
02-23-07, 21:09
Looks good. Do you use that new "sticks to plastic" kind or just regular ol' stuff?

Hawkeye
02-23-07, 22:14
Just the camo line. I'm not sure I am happy with it. I may strip it off tomorrow.

DBautista
02-24-07, 01:14
I almost bought one for the third time today...

I am glad that rent is due and I have to eat.

Damn you all M&P owners.

M4arc
02-24-07, 06:01
I almost bought one for the third time today...

I am glad that rent is due and I have to eat.

Damn you all M&P owners.

;)

It's just a matter of time...

ISAIAH53
02-24-07, 07:58
I almost bought one for the third time today...

I am glad that rent is due and I have to eat.

Damn you all M&P owners.

You're very welcome - and don't forget to wash down your meal with Kool-Aid.

Hawkeye
02-24-07, 08:08
FYI....... In all my years of using the Krylon camo, the only thing I have found that was bad for it was lacquer/paint thinner. Until now......... Let it be known that Krylon and Militec 1 do NOT go together.

RAM Engineer
02-24-07, 11:39
My fullsize M&P9 is with Mr. Burwell getting sights installed so I plunked down my money for a 9c yesterday. Plus I told the guys at the shop to hold a 45 for me when they come out. S&W Dealer days is supposed to be the 9th & 10th, and I was told that they'll have some 45's to try out...

And for some strange reason, I've become fascinated with the .40S&W cartridge all of a sudden...

All my other purchases just got moved to the back, back, back burner...

M4arc
02-24-07, 11:43
My fullsize M&P9 is with Mr. Burwell getting sights installed so I plunked down my money for a 9c yesterday. Plus I told the guys at the shop to hold a 45 for me when they come out. S&W Dealer days is supposed to be the 9th & 10th, and I was told that they'll have some 45's to try out...

And for some strange reason, I've become fascinated with the .40S&W cartridge all of a sudden...

All my other purchases just got moved to the back, back, back burner...

<evil laugh>

:D