HSGI'S Taco Magazine Pouch

[calicojack]

After a lengthy discussion with Gene over at High Speed Gear Inc yesterday, we made the determination that I would proceed with my "review" of his new Taco Pouch. All pictures contained here-in are the sole property of urbantacticalgearreview.com and should not be used without expressed written permission by the owner.

There have been several beta testers, and I know at least one of them posts on this board, so NCPatrolAR i'd like you to post up in this topic as well.

First a little back ground on the pouch:
One of our (the United States of America) Special Forces guy approached High Speed Gear with a unique, but not uncommon issue. He needed a pouch to carry both M1A magazines as well as m4 magazines. The fast mag just would not fit the M1A .308 sized magazines. So the guys sat down and came up with this pouch. However they took it one step farther. It fits almost every rifle caliber magazine known to man.

To the guys in the field:
Imagine your MBR crapping out on you in the most in-opportune time. Gotta do a battle field pick up? maybe grab some magazines off a dead haji? this pouch would fit your bill. remove your MBR magazines, put em in your third line (or drop them) and insert new battlefield pickup magazines. that simple.

[calicojack]

This is the new HSGI Taco Pouch. I lovingly refer to it as Topher's Taco.

http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0211.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0214.jpg

The Taco Pouch is basically a piece of double layer codura folded in half with kydex riveted onto it. It uses three methods of retention. The first line of retention relies on shock cord, which is woven in between the pals channels on the front and back of the pouch. The second level of retention is hook and loop on the interior of the pouch. It is to be used with a 1" square mounted on your magazine. The third, should you desire it, is bungee pull tabs that go over the magazine. While not a stock option, they can be readily added, as the loops are sewn into every model.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0230.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0231.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0225.jpg

The rivets are kydex as well, and are secured on the bottom of the pouch, where a drain hole would normally go. This pouch does not have a drain hole due specifically to the design of the pouch.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0215.jpg

While the sides are constructed out of kydex, and firmly held in place by the shock cord, you will notice some space in between the front, back, and sides depending on what type of magazine you use. the thicker the magazine, the wider the gap. This directly relates to why there is not a drain hole. as gene put it last night, easy in, easy out.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0212.jpg
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0219.jpg

As you all have read in the past, i'm always looking for a good alternative magazine pouch for AK magazines, as that is what i currently run. My favorites are the DBT short m4 pouches, which i've yet to find a flaw with. The Taco pouch is a direct competitor to that pouch. The size of the pouch is almost the same size as the dbt pouches, and are well suited for 20 round ak magazines.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0220.jpg

There are a few things that bother me about this pouch.
1) first and foremost being the shock cord retention being the way that this pouch is held together. It's not the tolerances at which the cord is manufactored. The breaking strength of shock cord exceeds 4000 lbs. My concern was what happens when it encounters a sharp edge (broken glass, razor wire, etc). After i got to thinking about it, most everyone packs at least a little paracord with them, or can take some shoe laces off the enemy to repair it with. just tie it off until you can get back to base and properly repair it.
2) Being a couch commando i can and will bitch about the aesthetics of this pouch. it's down right friggin ugly.
3) not every magazine is the same size. whether they are wider or taller. at some point you will have to adjust the length of the shock cord. if you need to really cinch it down, it's not easily done. the shock cord's ending point is on the back of the pouch, under the malice clips. so you can just grab a hold of them and yank.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0213.jpg
4) because of the shock cord terminating behind the malice clips, it does push downward on the clips. on both the pouches i received for this testing, where the malice clip folds over it is putting a bit more stress on the pals webbing, and in turn the stitching holding on. I have yet to have a failure with it (there again i'm not out jumping over walls or low crawling every day), but should that failure occur, that isn't something that is easily repaired.
http://i238.photobucket.com/albums/ff298/arolfsen/reviews/tophers%20taco/DSCF0225.jpg

To the shock cord issue, I've suggested maybe including those cord thingies that are on the UMMPS, and installing them on when your weaving the cord upwards after the first pals channel from the bottom, on the front. then when you bring the shock cord back down run it back through the do-dads. making cinching it down a little easier.

Like i said, i hope NCPatrolAR posts here as he has some, as well as stickman. and i'm interested to hear what they have to say on it.

[exitinyourhead]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2DzgIUDnd3k

[militarymoron]

The breaking strength of shock cord exceeds 4000 lbs.

good overview of the pouch. just wanted to point out that typical 1/8" shock cord minimum tensile strength is about 100 lbs, not 4000 lbs.

[custom-x_sponjah]

As you can see from the YouTube video posted above, I have test fit every loaded Magazine I own in it. (Including a 40rnd RPK Mag not shown) And ALL have stayed in place.
I have the Shock Cord Adjusted so that I can switch between different types of Magazines easily. I know one tester who has his Tightened down a lot more as he's only using M4 Series Magazines. (Lancer, Tapco, P-Mag, USGI, ect)
I am going to be setting up one of my EPC's with a load out of 3 Taco's along the CB Flap, and 1 UMMP on the Right CB to "Down Stock" from. I chose the UMMP as it is also Universal. So in reality I will have 1 rig to run all weapon platforms that I wish.
In the event that a bungee does break/cut a temporary knot will hold it till you have time to fully repair it.
I also like the fact that it only takes up 2 Columns of PALS webbing unlike the fast mag which needs 3 columns, and makes running three shingles on your Flap possible.

CXS

[militarymoron]

I also like the fact that it only takes up 2 Columns of PALS webbing unlike the fast mag which needs 3 columns, and makes running three shingles on your Flap possible.

fastmags will fit on two columns - it's cramped, but when worn on a chest rig, the curvature 'spreads' them out a bit. my current range rig has two layers of three (six total) gen 3 fastmags, each taking up two columns of PALS.

[custom-x_sponjah]

fastmags will fit on two columns - it's cramped, but when worn on a chest rig, the curvature 'spreads' them out a bit. my current range rig has two layers of three (six total) gen 3 fastmags, each taking up two columns of PALS.

I knew the curvature would be key to the fitment, All I have are the Gen1 DEI Fast mags as reference. Are the Gen3's skinnier?

CXS

[militarymoron]

I knew the curvature would be key to the fitment, All I have are the Gen1 DEI Fast mags as reference. Are the Gen3's skinnier?

CXS

yes, they're not as wide as the gen 1s. i don't want to hijack this thread, but you can find more info on the gen 3s buried in this thread:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=441860#post441860

[custom-x_sponjah]

Here are some more pics of my Training/Go to rig, now set up with High Speed Gear, Inc. Taco Mag pouches.

I will most likely be using this rig with my M4gery or AK47.
But its nice to know that I can pick up an AK74, G3, or M1A and be able to use the same rig without modification.

Eagle Plate Carrier W/Cummerbund (ESAPI Plates inside, No Side Plates)
4 HSGI Taco Mag Pouches
1 HSGI Universal Modular Magazine Pouch (On the far Left)
2 HSGI Pistol Mag pouches
1 HSGI Mini Modular EOD Pouch (Med Kit) w/1 HSGI Tall Pistol Mag pouch (CAT Tourniquet in it and Trauma Sheers Behind It)
1 HSGI Mini Modular Admins Panel
Pair of HSGI Wa/Wee Shoulder Pads


Here's an over all Pic of my rig
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/Whole.jpg

Pic of my AR Loadout
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/AR.jpg

Pic of my AK47 Loadout
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/AK.jpg

Pic of the modularity of the rig
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/ALL-1.jpg

CXS

[NCPatrolAR]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC02184.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC02185.jpg

I need to tuck the strings in on the front pouch. I'll be adding a cord lock to it soon to solve that issue though.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC02190.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC02191.jpg

[Iraq Ninja]

Was there any consideration given to only making one side expandable? Seems that would cut down on the clutter.

[custom-x_sponjah]

I tucked my excess Shock Cord behind the pouch along a row of PALS webbing horizontally.
I also found out, by randomly shoving Items into the pouch, that it will hold a Smoke Grenade, Flash Bang, and multiple types of radios securely.

CXS

[calicojack]

I tucked my excess Shock Cord behind the pouch along a row of PALS webbing horizontally.
I also found out, by randomly shoving Items into the pouch, that it will hold a Smoke Grenade, Flash Bang, and multiple types of radios securely.

CXS

a radio? really?

<<<<<<<<<<< races off to grab his yaesu

[NCPatrolAR]

JUst confirmed it myself....... the Taco will hold my Motorola XTS 3000 radio.

[calicojack]

yep. it'll fit a yeasu vx-150, but not well. the microphone and headset hookups are on the sides, so it won't work well for <this> model.

[custom-x_sponjah]

If you discover something else it can hold, post it up.

CXS

[DANGER CLOSE]

wow, that is sweet. will it hold 12oz of golden goodness?

[custom-x_sponjah]

wow, that is sweet. will it hold 12oz of golden goodness?

:p

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/P9120029.jpg

CXS

[custom-x_sponjah]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XHRoYCcsjM

CXS

[Iraq Ninja]

CXS,

I think an interesting test would be to break the kydex at the base, where it bends. If it fails, it will probably be at that point. I think the kydex may be the weakpoint of this design.

My other concern is dust, dirt, rain, etc coming in from the sides.

I like the concept so far, it is just the execution may need a bit of tweaking.

[custom-x_sponjah]

CXS,

I think an interesting test would be to break the kydex at the base, where it bends. If it fails, it will probably be at that point. I think the kydex may be the weakpoint of this design.

My other concern is dust, dirt, rain, etc coming in from the sides.

I like the concept so far, it is just the execution may need a bit of tweaking.

The test was performed by Gene during development once Kydex was decided upon.
The broken (Snipped with shears) Kydex side piece remained attached at the top by the Shock-Cord running through it. Non-Lugged magazines still allowed a smooth extraction and insertion. Locking Lug Mags also had no issues, but seem to carry more "fear factor" of a failure of the pouch even though no failure occurred. If one did I could see it being with an AK Magazine.
I sent an email to one of the Industry Testers and asked very simply "Broke one yet?" he replied back "Negative. I highly doubt they can be broken. Worn out, maybe, but only after they exceed their EOL."
I'll sacrifice one of my Test Sample Taco's to show a little video of it being abused and this Kydex test run on it.
If something does happen to it though, HSGI has a Lifetime Warranty on all their products.

On the Dirt/Dust issue the very first Test samples Gene sent out were to Army Snipers and have been hard used in the field for the past 2 month. The Soldiers used the Taco while Low Crawling, positive results all around.

If you have any suggestions on Tweaking the pouch for the better, please lemme know so I can relay it to Gene. This pouch has been through so many little changes since first conception a long while ago. The way the pouch is now has the most Positive features with the least Negative. Every time a change was made, the ratio of +to- is shifted. This version shown was the best ratio. But if somebody does come up with something Gene hasn't thought of yet, it could make this pouch even better.

If you would like 2 to play with, I can send you two of my personal ones. I would actually appreciate your opinion once you get hands on with it.

CXS

[TimW]

Sponjah

Just got my lot in, and was trying to thread one up for use when I went out with the National Guard folks last weekend...I spent about 20 minutes trying to thread one...I got frustrated and quit.

Any mojo that works?

[calicojack]

tim,
take it completely apart. unthread the shock cord. then put it back on, but start it on the front instead of the back. it seems to help a lot.

[Iraq Ninja]

CXS,

Thanks for the reply. If the pouches are available for sale, I can buy a few for testing.


As for other things to try in it, what about a PVS14? Not so much as a primary pouch, but a backup pouch maybe. I am looking for a good radio pouch for my ICOM handheld, which is smaller than the mil radios.

I am also concerned with high temperatures. For instance, if you stick a large mag in the pouch and leave it inside a vehicle in our 120 degree temperatures, will the kydex soften and "set" to the shape of the mag? Maybe this can be replicated in an oven.

[NCPatrolAR]

Sponjah

Just got my lot in, and was trying to thread one up for use when I went out with the National Guard folks last weekend...I spent about 20 minutes trying to thread one...I got frustrated and quit.

Any mojo that works?


It took me a hour, a flat tip screwdriver, and a lot of cursing to mount 2 on my molle belt

[custom-x_sponjah]

Tim
A Multi-Tool helps. You should have 5 on your Armor Carrier and another 13 in every BoB/EDC.
As calico stated you can run the Shock-Cord reversed.
It does help with mounting when not layering more pouches on the front of the Taco.
I kept mine as they came from HSGI.
I added pouches to the outside of the Tacos, reversing the Shock-Cord would be a moot point for me.
So far the only thing I'm looking down upon is how tight they are with the MALICE Clips.
If the middle Row of webbing on the back had "extra" room in the channel, I think it would solve this issue.

iNinja.
I will try the Oven test.
But IIRC Kydex has a thermoforming point of 300* F.
I do not have a PVS-14 on hand at the moment.
And what are the dimensions of your ICOM?

CXS

[calicojack]

iraq ninja. i have a yeasu vx-150 which is pretty much the next to smallest ham radio out there. it fits perfectly in this pouch, with the exception of the microphone jack is covered by the kydex.

[custom-x_sponjah]

I inserted the Taco with AK Magazine into a 170* Oven for 15 minutes, nothing happened. My house smells like cosmoline now, and the mag was hot to the touch, but the Kydex was not compromised.. If the odor wasn't so strong, Id have went higher in temperature. I will try higher temperatures when my roommates aren't home.

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/IMG00259-20090915-1604.jpg

CXS

[custom-x_sponjah]

Tim
A Multi-Tool helps. You should have 5 on your Armor Carrier and another 13 in every BoB/EDC.


Also
Take a pair of needle nose pliers, Insert into the middle Row of PALS and pull the handles apart stretching the Channel.

CXS

[cynical]

Has anyone tried Saiga-12 magazines? I'd have to measure when I get home tonight, but I think they're a bit wider than most .308 mags, plus they have the AK-style lugs.

[NCPatrolAR]

Has anyone tried Saiga-12 magazines? I'd have to measure when I get home tonight, but I think they're a bit wider than most .308 mags, plus they have the AK-style lugs.

I might be able to try this weekend

[NCPatrolAR]

Saiga mags

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC02195.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC02193.jpg

[custom-x_sponjah]

Here are a couple Pics from another board...


Standard PMAG picture, it works very well with PMAGs.

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WEVO%20II/IMG_0858-1024-Stick.jpg


Taco pictured with suppressor. While I wouldn't want to throw a hot can into nylon, I was pleasantly surprised at how well it held the can in place when cool.

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WEVO%20II/IMG_0856-1024-Stick.jpg


Taco with standard issue pirate pistol. I'm not sure I would want this for modern engagements, but its probably been awhile since we have seen anything tactical for cap and ball....

http://stickman.rainierarms.com/galleries/WEVO%20II/IMG_0861-1024-Stick.jpg

CXS

[cynical]

Great, those pics are a big help. It looks like those are 10-rounders? Based on those pics, 5 or 8-round Saiga mags should work ok. I think the 10-round mags are too long for field use anyway, and forget the 12s.


Saiga mags

[NCPatrolAR]

Great, those pics are a big help. It looks like those are 10-rounders? Based on those pics, 5 or 8-round Saiga mags should work ok. I think the 10-round mags are too long for field use anyway, and forget the 12s.

Yep; that was a 10 rounder

[custom-x_sponjah]

So I stopped by HSGI on Friday to discuss some concerns about the Tightness of the PALS on the back, and the difficulty mounting. I told him my solution and he had a Taco sewn up real quick while I was there.

Its pretty simple fix, and adds 2 steps to the process of making these.
Longer webbing with bigger channels on the rear.
Looks a little funny with the Malice Clip out of it, but was a million times easier to mount it. I recommended just the middle row have this extra length, but in the quick sample he made for me all three rows have big channels.

Here are some pics..

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/IMG00294-20090925-1543.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/IMG00295-20090925-1543.jpg

Also since I was there, I started shoving random Items into it to see what it would hold well..

40mm Parachute Flare
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/IMG00292-20090925-1542.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/IMG00293-20090925-1543.jpg

XD Sub-Compact 9mm
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/IMG00299-20090925-1652.jpg

Glock 19 Fits really well.
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/IMG00300-20090925-1652.jpg

Glock 17 with Weapon Light. (without weapon light it will not seat deep enough for good retention)
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/IMG00296-20090925-1651.jpg

http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/IMG00297-20090925-1651.jpg

And a K5 Tomahawk
http://i87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/IMG00301-20090925-1655.jpg

CXS

[DANGER CLOSE]

i am convinced enough to buy some for my 3 gun rig. thanks for the heads up.

[Shane1]

Ok..sssooooo I take back what I said a couple years back about a universal mag pouch not working. I am really digging this pouch. I own a couple different long rifles and this fits the bill perfectly.

[Magsz]

Any updates on durability?

Im looking for a multipurpose pouch to toss on my belt rig to accommodate my AK74 and my AR15.

[TxSoldier]

I'm really liking the look of these. Everyone likes a good taco! :D I may pick up a few and try them out for myself. I just like the fact that I can use them with my AK and AR without having to change out stuff. Very convenient I think. And other than being hard to mount, I don't seem to hear anything bad about them at all.

[snakedoctor]

who has the best prices on these?

[calicojack]

with shipping, probably SKD......

[TxSoldier]

I haven't searched extensively but every time I see them they are usually the same price as from HSGI direct. You may possibly save some money on shipping depending who you order from.

[JSGlock34]

Has anyone tried the pistol magazine version?

[Iraq Ninja]

Has anyone tried the pistol magazine version?

I have used em for both .45 and glock mags with no issues.

I didn't like the concept till I tried em out. Probably the best pouches I have used (pistol and rifle pouches). There is a trick to getting the carbine mags in quickly, so watch their video on YouTube.

You also need to watch their video on how to install em on your vest. The problem is that they come with Malice clips and are very difficult to install without pliers. If I had to move em to another vest, I would use 550 cord and ditch the clips.

[JSGlock34]

Thank you for the quick response. I've got some of the rifle pouches on order and may add some of the pistol pouches.

[custom-x_sponjah]

I have used em for both .45 and glock mags with no issues.

I didn't like the concept till I tried em out. Probably the best pouches I have used (pistol and rifle pouches). There is a trick to getting the carbine mags in quickly, so watch their video on YouTube.

You also need to watch their video on how to install em on your vest. The problem is that they come with Malice clips and are very difficult to install without pliers. If I had to move em to another vest, I would use 550 cord and ditch the clips.

They are so much easier to mount the second time..
the webbing has stretched and the excess glue has been broken.

CXS

[Iraq Ninja]

Topher,

Will try that. BTW, any word on TACOs for the new surefire mags?

[custom-x_sponjah]

http://pbr87.photobucket.com/albums/k160/topher63/SFTACO1.jpg

Several Pre-Production units have been sent out to multiple people in the industry for testing.

CXS

[Anibal]

Will it work with HK G36 magazine?

[JSGlock34]

I have used em for both .45 and glock mags with no issues.

I didn't like the concept till I tried em out. Probably the best pouches I have used (pistol and rifle pouches). There is a trick to getting the carbine mags in quickly, so watch their video on YouTube.

You also need to watch their video on how to install em on your vest. The problem is that they come with Malice clips and are very difficult to install without pliers. If I had to move em to another vest, I would use 550 cord and ditch the clips.

Thanks for this advice. The rifle pouches were painful to install, even with the tools and the assistance of the video, but after much effort and swearing I managed to get them on there. The pistol pouches proved much easier to install, and came with the MALICE clips already inserted.

I look forward to trying these out at the range now - I'm very pleased with the retention and ability to support multiple platforms. 90% of the time I'm running an AR and Glock when I wear my VTAC belt, but for those occasions I run an AK and/or 1911 it is nice to know that the only thing I'll need to change on the belt is the holster. Very versatile set up.

[Ranger325]

...........but for those occasions I run an AK and/or 1911 it is nice to know that the only thing I'll need to change on the belt is the holster. Very versatile set up.

I ordered TACO rifle and pistol pouches yesterday for this very reason - but I'm not looking forward to the installation based on 'JS' experience.
Hell, sounds like an can even use 'em for my M1A mags!

[custom-x_sponjah]

M1A mags are good to go..

Video's showing install using Needle Nose Pliers Only..

http://youtu.be/boSfg5P2i7w

http://youtu.be/k2MgjcyDvzo

CXS

[SWATcop556]

Ordered several rifle and pistol mags that will go on my SureGrip belt and new PIG carrier. So far I'm a fan. Reholstering partial mags will be interesting but once they break in a bit I think these will be my new go to mag pouches. It will be nice to have one rig for work as well as for when I shoot 1911's once in a blue moon.

I also like that they sit lower on my belt than most mag pouches which gives me a little more clearance from my PC.

[TheWaker43]

I use a SOE Cobra riggers belt and dual mag pouch for my pistol belt. I was just going to use a SOE basic single rifle mag pouches to throw on a 30 rd Pmag or two every once in a while. But the Taco seems interesting. Can it be mounted with Malice clips to a standard riggers belt? Or do I need to buy the belt mount, that would put each Taco at $50. Seems like a lot, are the benefits even there if I only every shoot Pmags?

[Wake27]

Nevermind

[nobody knows]

These look a bit long for 20rd p-mags,will they fit? If not will the 20 rd p-mags fit in the pistole pouch?

[calicojack]

the 20s >should< fit fine. i run hungarian tanker mags which are about the same size and they work fine

[Adam_s]

I have a pair of the double taco (1x pistol, 1x rifle) mag carriers on my war belt setup. I REALLY like them. They feel as fast on the draw as my Emdom IAP.

Mounting was an exercise in frustration. It took me 2hrs on the first one using malice clips and a spoon (the ORIGINAL multitool) to get the first one attached. The second went much quicker at only 30 min.

[MSteele]

I am about to mount mine to my PIG PC and feel as if I have to meditate a bit before I start. Watching the video's they say it shouldn't take more then to minutes each. It took me 20 min just to insert the Malice clips into the 3 pouches themselves. They get caught up on the shock cord every time. I wonder if instead of running the shock cord through the webbing were the clips slide through if they had a separate channel on the outside just for the cord would make life easier. It would definitely make sliding the clips easier with just a slight mod on the webbing and stitching. Even with all of the headaches installing they are still some of the best pouches I have ran. I run three of the AR/pistol pouches and 1 rifle and the PC still feels slick.

[calicojack]

I am about to mount mine to my PIG PC and feel as if I have to meditate a bit before I start. Watching the video's they say it shouldn't take more then to minutes each. It took me 20 min just to insert the Malice clips into the 3 pouches themselves. They get caught up on the shock cord every time. I wonder if instead of running the shock cord through the webbing were the clips slide through if they had a separate channel on the outside just for the cord would make life easier. It would definitely make sliding the clips easier with just a slight mod on the webbing and stitching. Even with all of the headaches installing they are still some of the best pouches I have ran. I run three of the AR/pistol pouches and 1 rifle and the PC still feels slick.

the problem is this:
HSGI is aware of the problem. There are just as many complaints about the mounting problems as there are compliments on how well they work.

You would think that MAYBE they'd hit the redesign button and fix the issue.

[MSteele]

Hopefully they can figure something which I am sure they will. I just mounted mine to my PIG PC and it took 25 min for all 4, the absolute bitch was feeding the end to lock the malice clip. :suicide:

[Tzoid]

I have been using HSGI TACOS since they were 1st introduced a few years ago and I really like them. I recently purchased 3 Double decker Tacos and mounted them on a VTAC Brokos belt with a Endeavor Stitch works Cobra 1.75 Gun belt as my inner belt. I can attest that the Double Decker is WAY Harder to mount than the single Taco. In fact I gave up trying to weave the center molle and just threaded top to bottom. They need to fix this or they will start losing customers.

I challenge anyone to attempt to mount a double decker Taco ( that's not modified in any way ) to a Brokos belt with inner belt.

What a ****ing pain in the ass..... but I still like them :D

[Adam_s]

Tzoid:
That's what I mounted my double Taco's to. A padded VTAC with 2" Ares Gear warbelt inside. I agree, it was less than fun. That's most of the reason I've not replaced my IAP with another Taco...
-Adam

[Tzoid]

Adam,

I love the way my belts set up but the Tacos are a pain in the ass to mount. I will post photos soon in the 1st line belt thread.

[bohemian]

I took a picture of my PIG PC in the PIG PC thread just a few down. As you can see there is only one HSGI Taco weaved onto my PC as it TAKES FOREVER to install these. I had three seperate people work on getting that single pouch on.

The funny thing is, it's not even clipped in... :(

[Tzoid]

Just thread the malice clips through the Molle webbing without weaving back through the center Taco webbing and lock it in. It should be plenty tight. Mine are tight. :eek:

[MSteele]

That's what I mounted today was double deckers and my finger tips are all busted up. Once I lifted the front flap up it made it slightly easier. I also mounted an Esstac Kywi shingle that took 30 sec and I actually really like these shingles. I was actually thinking of just mounting 3 double deckers instead of running 4 mags up front but I can't even begin to imagine having to remove these.

[calicojack]

That's what I mounted today was double deckers and my finger tips are all busted up. Once I lifted the front flap up it made it slightly easier. I also mounted an Esstac Kywi shingle that took 30 sec and I actually really like these shingles. I was actually thinking of just mounting 3 double deckers instead of running 4 mags up front but I can't even begin to imagine having to remove these.

kiwi shingles are the shiz. work with ak and m4 mags. hard to beat. just not >As< versitle as the taco

[calicojack]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6698414317_fe041bea01_b.jpg

ehhem.... hint.... hint....

[MSteele]

http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7017/6698414317_fe041bea01_b.jpg

ehhem.... hint.... hint....

What the hell is that and how many rows of pals does it take up????????

[NeoNeanderthal]

I mounted a double decker to my brokos and it was indeed a biotch. However the youtube video on the topic, a screwdriver and needle nose pliers made the job doable extremely helpful.

[j-dubya]

Two tools that make a taco installation MUCH easier is indeed a flathead screwdriver and needle nose pliers. Gene showed me a trick a while back that he and his folks use: take the screwdriver and insert through each molle loop individually and pry the screwdriver back and forth to stretch out the webbing and stitch points. Don't be afraid to wrench on it, just be careful. Another trick that works well is using a kitchen table knife blade and sliding down along the malice clip path in between the pouch body and the malice clip. Then slide in the malice clip end. The biggest thing is the stretching out of the molle loops themselves. Hope this helps out some.

Jeremy

[Steve]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=k2MgjcyDvzo&feature=related

[eggroll]

What the hell is that and how many rows of pals does it take up????????



MSTEELE that is a DARK medical kit pouch, the image is not Calicojacks IP. Dont know what is implying with his comment either.

That said that kit pouch takes up TWO PALS channels an volumetrically not any different than two PMAGS

If you have questions feel free to pm me :)

[charmcitycop]

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