German made AR-15ish rifle

[Charlie-2-6]

http://www.twm-waffen.de/images/slgersterprototyp.jpg

The German company Nobilta-TWM has decided to manufacture a complete AR-15ish rifle, called the SLG36/15 (SLG stands for Selbstladegewehr or "self-/auto-loading rifle") referring to the HK G36 and the AR15 who's caracteristics are used is this new concept.

The upper & lower receiver in the raw:
http://www.twm-waffen.de/images/slgreceiverroh.jpg

It's piston operated (hence the G36 reference):
http://www.twm-waffen.de/images/slgschnittbild.jpg

Apart from what I could read on their homepage, I have no further info on pricing, availability, performance etc.

Oh yeah, it should become available in 223 Rem, 6.8 SPC and 6.8 Grendel.

Link to their homepage (unfortunately only in German)
http://www.twm-waffen.de/produkte/slg3615/index.html

I also noticed that they're producing milspec AR15 lowers at a MSRP of 375 Eurodollars (that's about $545 at today's exchange rates). http://www.twm-waffen.de/produkte/komponenten/lower/index.html

[TY44934]

The rifle in the 1st photo appears to use the lower receiver from an AR-15; perhaps only the upper is new?

[castillo]

Fugly

[zachsm]

The handguard is square. That doesn't look comfy at all. Other than that looks good.

[kal]

From an engineering standpoint, that's how a piston "AR" should be designed.

Assuming the carrier rides on receiver rails (since they say it's derived from the G36...) then carrier tilt is pretty much done with.

If you can make an upper like that and slap it on an ar15 lower, it should be very cost effective.

[eternal24k]

FUGLY, when can i get one? :p

I was talking to a friend about a true piston upper about a year ago, we were looking into replicating the Sig 556, and then we talked about the rails and bcg of the SL8, this is what I have been wanting.

[geminidglocker]

I would love to play with that design. But I'll take mine in 5.56

[Surf]

The lower is based off of a standard lower and is interchangeable with the platform. So potentially an upper swap is gtg. It is one fugly SOB however. :)

[TY44934]

The lower is based off of a standard lower and is interchangeable with the platform. So potentially an upper swap is gtg. It is one fugly SOB however. :)

If true, then this upper is DOA for most of us.

Problem is the same with the H&K 416: the barrel is banned from import because it falls under the Assault Weapons import BAN from 1989 (thanks Bush) and expanded under Clinton (thanks again). It could be sold to police & military only (just like 416).

If it was a completely new design it might make it in to the USA for civilian use - like the FN bullpup.

[JoshNC]

From an engineering standpoint, that's how a piston "AR" should be designed.

Assuming the carrier rides on receiver rails (since they say it's derived from the G36...) then carrier tilt is pretty much done with.

If you can make an upper like that and slap it on an ar15 lower, it should be very cost effective.

Agreed. AR15/M16 piston systems should be designed to have the carrier ride on rails to prevent bolt tilt.

[armakraut]

Cool, they're finally making an AR-18 upper for regular AR's. Even if it looks like a cross between the pulse rifle from aliens and the laser rifles from the GI Joe cartoon movie.

Sight plane looks about 1/2 an inch higher than normal, like a VLTOR CASV rail, which isn't bad news because a lot of mounts have been engineered for that height, but some really short BUIS are going to be needed.

[armakraut]

They also have a 10mm teutonic desert eagle.

http://www.twm-waffen.de/produkte/nobile/index.html

[Rider79]

Google translation of the page in the OP's post:

Rifle SLG 36/15
Overview
Caliber: .223 Rem. / 6.8 SPC / 6.5 Grendel
System: Semi-automatic gas-operated, rotating bolt
Gas system: With automatic adjustable pressure pattern at various ammunition types and distance of the nipple to the barrel axis 16.5 mm; slight tilting moment on bolt carrier
Printing History: A gas piston controls the pressure pattern at various types of ammunition
Closure: Gasdruckgesteuerter rotating bolt with 6 nipples
Bolt carrier: Nitrided steel will wear resulted in trains
Length: 16 ", 18", 20 "and 24" (For hunters and gatherers in 14 ");
Barrels by Lothar Walther, either from conventional barrel in Stainless Steel or execution
Swirl: 8 "or 9", depending on barrel length, or desired
Trigger: Standard deduction-AR15, AR15-on demand are other possible deductions
Tension Lever: Stationary, with integrated ArmaLite
Receiver: Upper and Lower receiver and hand guard are made of aluminum F53
Finishes: Various o.a. Run lengths, with folding handle grain, fixed or Einschubschaft or Schichtholzschaft with and without control of the company Nill possible
Specialties: See below-mentioned Listing

Characteristics of the ECR 36/25
The pods have no body contact, no bumpers
The dust cover is always automatically closed
The control curve and the rotation of the closure head are changed, it is not a negative influence on the function of the recoil given to the feeder
The forearm is not hot
It can commonly grown and accessories of AR15 system used
The 24 "version has a front mounted spring and piston brake system can be reduced thus helping to bring the shoulder rest to the level of the barrel bore axis, which in AR15-systems is not possible
The weapon is made entirely in southern Germany

[Charlie-2-6]

Some more pics, taken from their website

http://www.twm-waffen.de/images/slg36152.jpg

http://www.twm-waffen.de/images/slg36153.jpg

The problem with the design is that when talking about an AR-15 everybody automatically has a mental picture of a "classic" AR. It's that square box design that requires getting used too. Perhaps if they slap some picatinny rails to the sides & bottom that the looks change a bit.

Although fugly, I wouldn't mind getting an upper for T&E.

Went through their homepage again and especially liked this one:


Der Vorderschaft wird nicht heiss or in plain old English: the forend will not get hot. Now THAT I want to see tested.

[joffe]

It's for the German market, which means it's solely a sport shooting rifle, which is why the handguard looks silly and ugly.:p

[Frens]

sorry guys... :p

http://img34.imageshack.us/img34/8171/istock000005445187xsmal.jpg

[eternal24k]

Damn shame they kept the AR charging handle

[Victory]

Looks wise, it reminds me of the RobArm M96.

-Vic