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EATLEAD
09-26-09, 22:25
So I got a hair up my ass last weekend and loaded up some sub sonic loads to be shot out of my stag-rock M4 with m4-1000 suppressor. I have read a lot of negative stuff reguarding sub sonic .223 as worthless, you may as well have a .22 long rifle suppressed. Well the only difference is that I can shoot sub sonic loads which dont cycle the action, and I have the versatility to shoot loads that scream at 3200 fps.

With that said, what a freakin blast. Absolutely no noise, whatsoever. I am hooked and immediatley went home and reloaded about a hundred more. Load data was aquired from hodgdons website. Powder used was Hodgons clay's, and approximate velocity according to data was 1060 fps. I used a 55 grain moly coated V-max bullet instead of listed 55 grain FMJ.

Anyone who has a suppressed AR has to at least try shooting these once. I dare say that I could probably squeeze a few rounds off in my neighberhood, and I'm pretty sure nobody would hear me. Now I would never do this of course.

The only drawback is, as I stated before, the loads would not cycle the bolt. So I was stuck with pretty much a bolt action, which is both good and bad. Good in the way that I did not have to go searching through foxtail's trying to find my brass.


Also first round was fired with can off, so as to inspect for instability or breakup in flight.

markm
09-27-09, 09:39
How much powder?

KellyTTE
09-27-09, 10:26
3.1gr of titegroup works too, straight offa Hogdgon's site.

EATLEAD
09-29-09, 15:48
How much powder?

3.2 grains of clay with a win. small rifle primer.

EATLEAD
09-29-09, 15:50
7gr of titegroup works too, straight offa Hogdgon's site.

I couldnt find the 7 grains, but I did see 3.1 grains for a velocity of 1064 fps.

KellyTTE
09-29-09, 16:18
Sorry, 3.1gr is correct. I'm having a bad hair day for numbers apparently.

556frags
10-08-09, 20:29
Does anyone produce sub-sonic .223?

EATLEAD
10-08-09, 20:44
I got the idea from reading a post about this website on another board,
http://www.ebr-inc.net/index.html and further resarch on the web produced some listed data from hodgdon's. I dont know if its available to civies or not, and there was no pricing on the website either??

TY44934
10-15-09, 16:41
3.1gr of titegroup works too, straight offa Hogdgon's site.

Those are the only 2 loads allowed by Hodgdon. Supposed to work on dogs & such. Supposedly requested by urban entry teams that regularly serve drug warrants where pit bulls might roam (though dunno if that is true).

bkb0000
10-15-09, 16:52
this definately calls for comparison video.

JohnVassilakos
11-02-09, 11:55
I've got a friend who regularly loads Hornady 45 grain HP's subsonic (Item # 2229). Very, very accurate, (even at 100) for what it is. And it's stupid quiet to boot.

Josh_Denny
11-03-09, 08:49
Sounds like fun. To make the "bolt action" effect less of a pain in the ass there are side charging upper receivers available. I have one (made by Ameetec Arms) on my .338 Spectre with an adjustable gas block. So I can close the gas off and make it a bolt action with easier effort to cycle by hand. I am saving for a suppressor for it now.