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My blood has been boiling for the last two days because the Empire State Building was lit up in red and gold colors tonight to commemorate/celebrate Communist China's 60th anniversary.Are these people kidding me?This is the direction our country is heading in?Whats next,celebrating North Koreas birthday as well? In my eyes,this is a sad day ( one of many lately ) for our once great nation.
why am i not surprised?
really, that's not a statement......
MarshallDodge
09-30-09, 22:52
It's probably owned by China... :rolleyes:
Is it getting time to take things that belong to us back?
Push till the people have had enough.
This shows me that some of the leaders of this "Once Great Nation" support inhumane treatment to their fellow humans.
SWATcop556
10-01-09, 01:23
But I bet someone from China would be offended if we lit it up in red, white, and blue on the 4th.
Shit lik this just makes me sad. This is not the country my grandfather wanted to leave me. Some of the bullshit I see makes me glad he is not here to endure it.
Well until any of you go through your own house and throw out EVERYTHING that was made in China you really have no room to bitch about it. Just think about how much money you personally contributed to China.
SWATcop556
10-01-09, 01:53
Well until any of you go through your own house and throw out EVERYTHING that was made in China you really have no room to bitch about it. Just think about how much money you personally contributed to China.
Not by choice as I buy American any chance I can, even if I pay a premium.
Just because we trade with them doesn't mean we have to celebrate their holiday, but then I forgot that this is the great melting pot. :rolleyes:
Who says you have to celebrate the holiday? It is a free country, dont celebrate it. Im confused why you care or are outraged about what lights are on a privately owned building?
SWATcop556
10-01-09, 02:39
I guess I just don't like display of support for communist countries and dictators, but maybe I'm in the minority.
Well that is the price you have to pay by living here, you might have to witness people celebrating something you are against, but since you are not in NY you dont even have to witness it.
SWATcop556
10-01-09, 04:20
As the OP stated it was lit that way as a celebration of the communist government in China. I don't support or celebrate anything communist and the fact that a nationally recognized symbol of New York and this country is made to display celebration of that IMHO is bullshit. Does China light up their temples in red, white, and blue to celebate with us on the 4th? I think not.
You are correct. My eyes will not be offended by having to gaze at it, but it doesn't make me support, like, or agree with it. There are plenty of things I don't have to see to know I would feel and be offended or even down right disgusted by. My location really has nothing to do with it.
I just think that things like this show the continual degredation of our country and what it was suppose to stand for.
Ask a soldier over seas if they would be offended by the display of communist China colors on a national symbol to celebrate their communist government. Keeping in mind that they will probably not see it either. I doubt you would get a lot of support.
It is still a privately owned building. Maybe we should make it so you can dictate what colored lights can be on privately owned buildings?
No one asked you to support it or celebrate it.
SWATcop556
10-01-09, 05:53
And no one asked you to defend it. I'd rather fall on this side of the fence than yours but that's my right being an American, just as it's yours to defend an un-American display from a "privately owned building."
I'm not surprised. This country is about political correctness, especially with the Democrats in control of this country. This country is powered by capitalism and the owners of the Empire State Building is probably doing this to attract tourists from China. For those who are unhappy with this, you have a right to boycott this by not going to the Empire State Building or buying any related mechandise. To keep in perspective, it's the government not the people.
Littlelebowski
10-01-09, 06:15
I can't believe I'm seeing someone on this forum not take offense to this. Maybe a re-reading of how the Chinese Communists came to power is in order or just this (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tiananmen_Square_protests_of_1989).
I am not surprised given two years ago they lit green to honor those celebrating a muslim holiday.
http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,301541,00.html
Not by choice as I buy American any chance I can, even if I pay a premium.
Just because we trade with them doesn't mean we have to celebrate their holiday, but then I forgot that this is the great melting pot. :rolleyes:
Agreed
perna - Are you serious or being the devil's advocate here? :confused:
Pictures located here if you want to see http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5id5SBg830A4ZkTEmmnFIlkHyEHYgD9B212A00
I think it's deplorable.
It's NY... can you really be that surprised?
HiggsBoson
10-01-09, 11:14
I find it almost difficult to believe that someone could be so ignorant of history that they would give in to Chinese pressure to white-wash their past. 30-40 million people died in the so-called "Great Leap Forward". Another 3-4 million died in the "Cultural Revolution." Mao Zedung is in contention with Hitler and Stalin for the title of Most Murderous Human Being EVER. And they are CELEBRATING his rise to power? :mad:
SWATcop556
10-01-09, 11:33
Nice to know I wasn't irrational in my disgust. Thanks guys. :cool:
I just can't look the other way and not say anything when this shit happens. FOX News just ran a segment about it as well and many more folks are just as pissed.
rickrock305
10-01-09, 12:19
But I bet someone from China would be offended if we lit it up in red, white, and blue on the 4th.
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they do.
the empire state building is lit up in all sorts of various colors...
They have honored many countries. For example, it lights red, white and blue for both the fourth of july and Bastille day. It lights red, white and green on Columbus day, red and white for Pulaski day, blue and white for both the Greeks and the Israelis, green for St. Patrick's day, etc.
not defending it, just sayin...
parishioner
10-01-09, 13:06
So we have fought and are fighting for democracy and freedom of the human race, thousands of our citizens have died for this principle, it is what our country stands for and here we are lighting up an American icon such as the Empire State building with the colors of yellow and red celebrating the communist takeover of china.
This is beyond all reason.
rickrock305
10-01-09, 13:14
So we have fought and are fighting for democracy and freedom of the human race, thousands of our citizens have died for this principle, it is what our country stands for and here we are lighting up an American icon such as the Empire State building with the colors of yellow and red celebrating the communist takeover of china.
This is beyond all reason.
as someone else pointed out..."we" are not doing anything. its a privately owned building and they can light it however they choose to. "we" have fought for their freedom to be able to do so.
i don't like it any more than any of you, but being that its a privately owned building not much can be done about it. if it was a government building, i'd really be pissed about it. thankfully we haven't reached that low yet...yet.
What an amazingly inappropriate thing to celebrate.
I find it almost difficult to believe that someone could be so ignorant of history that they would give in to Chinese pressure to white-wash their past. 30-40 million people died in the so-called "Great Leap Forward". Another 3-4 million died in the "Cultural Revolution." Mao Zedung is in contention with Hitler and Stalin for the title of Most Murderous Human Being EVER. And they are CELEBRATING his rise to power? :mad:
Yep, it's like celebrating the Enabling Act.
Having some generic Chinese celebration, like Chinese New Year, is not problem at all, in my view, but this is ridiculous.
i don't like it any more than any of you, but being that its a privately owned building not much can be done about it.
And we here are doing what CAN be done, acknowledging it as inappropriate and misguided.
Gutshot John
10-01-09, 15:00
And the band played on...
Seriously of all the things to get upset about: war in the middle east, health care reform, Iranian nukes, economic catastrophe (or any number of other issues) you'd think this would rank right up there with navel lint.
Was it stupid? Yes, but stupid isn't against the law. All this accomplishes is distracting Americans for the real problems we face.
Build a bridge, get over it. Nothing one can do about it now and there are better uses of one's time and energy.
And the band played on...
Seriously of all the things to get upset about: war in the middle east, health care reform, Iranian nukes, economic catastrophe (or any number of other issues) you'd think this would rank right up there with navel lint.
Was it stupid? Yes, but stupid isn't against the law. All this accomplishes is distracting Americans for the real problems we face.
Build a bridge, get over it. Nothing one can do about it now and there are better uses of one's time and energy.
Thank god you weighed in and set us back on track.
back on track...? i'm pretty sure the OP's track was outrage and contempt. so i'll add some.
it's the celebration of evil, and everything this country is suppose to stand against.
SWATcop556
10-01-09, 15:21
And the band played on...
Seriously of all the things to get upset about: war in the middle east, health care reform, Iranian nukes, economic catastrophe (or any number of other issues) you'd think this would rank right up there with navel lint.
Was it stupid? Yes, but stupid isn't against the law. All this accomplishes is distracting Americans for the real problems we face.
Build a bridge, get over it. Nothing one can do about it now and there are better uses of one's time and energy.
And I'm just as opinionated about those topics as well. You are right in that "stupid" isn't against the law otherwise we would all be locked up at some point.
I do feel that a display to celebrate the rise of communism, public or private, is horrible. Regardless if it is my "right" to do so. It is also my "right" to be disgusted and talk about it.
this is off their website just for this year
01/01/2009 - 01/06/2009 Red/Green/Green Christmas
01/07/2009 - 01/18/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
01/19/2009 Red/Black/Green Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. Day
01/20/2009 Red/White/Blue Presidential Inauguration 2009
01/21/2009 - 01/22/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
01/23/2009 - 01/26/2009 Red/Yellow/Red Lunar New Year
01/27/2009 - 01/29/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
01/30/2009 - 02/01/2009 North/South sides:
Pittsburgh Steelers
Yellow/White/Yellow
East/West sides:
Arizona Cardinals
Red/White/Red Super Bowl Lighting
02/02/2009 Pittsburgh Steelers - Yellow/White/Yellow Super Bowl Lighting
02/03/2009 Blue/Blue/Red Empire State Building Run-Up
02/04/2009 - 02/05/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
02/06/2009 - 02/08/2009 Red/Red/Red American Heart Association, National Wear Red Day
02/09/2009 - 02/10/2009 Purple/Purple/Yellow Westminster Kennel Club, 133rd Annual Westminster Kennel Club All-Breed Dog Show
02/11/2009 - 02/12/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
02/13/2009 - 02/15/2009 Red/Pink/White Valentine's Day
02/16/2009 Red/White/Blue President's Day
02/17/2009 - 02/22/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
02/23/2009 Blue/Green/Blue Committee Encouraging Corporate Philanthropy, Corporate Philanthropy Day
02/24/2009 - 03/01/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
03/02/2009 Orange/Orange/White National Multiple Sclerosis Society, MS Awareness Week
03/03/2009 - 03/04/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
03/05/2009 North side: Yellow
West side: Blue
South side: Green
East side: Red Major League Baseball, 2009 World Baseball Classic
03/06/2009 - 03/16/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
03/17/2009 Green/Green/Green New York City St. Patrick's Day Parade, St. Patrick's Day
03/18/2009 - 03/23/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
03/24/2009 White/Red/White Major League Baseball, World Baseball Classic Champion - Japan
03/25/2009 - 03/27/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
03/28/2009 Lights off from
8:30 p.m. - 9:30 p.m. World Wildlife Fund, Earth Hour 2009
03/29/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
03/30/2009 Green/Green/Green National Resources Defense Council, 11th Annual Forces for Nature Benefit
03/31/2009 - 04/05/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
04/06/2009 Green/Green/Green Empire State Building Sustainability
04/07/2009 Orange/Orange/White American Society for the Prevention of Cruelty to Animals (ASPCA), ASPCA Day - Go Orange for Animals
04/08/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
04/09/2009 - 04/12/2009 Green/Pink/Yellow Easter
04/13/2009 Blue/Orange/Blue New York Mets, Opening Night
04/14/2009 - 04/15/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
04/16/2009 Blue/White/Blue New York Yankees, Opening Day
04/17/2009 - 04/21/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
04/22/2009 Green/Green/Green Earth Day and Nickelodeon "Power Down" (Lights off for 60 seconds at 9 p.m.)
04/23/2009 Green/Green/Green Teenage Mutant Ninja Turtles 25th Anniversary
04/24/2009 - 05/07/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
05/08/2009 Blue/Blue/Blue Police Memorial Week Kick-Off
05/09/2009 - 05/10/2009 Blue/Yellow/Blue European Union, E.U. Day
05/11/2009 Purple/Orange/White Lincoln Center, 50th Anniversary
05/12/2009 Purple/Purple/White New York University, 2009 Commencement
05/13/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
05/14/2009 Red/Red/Red 2009 AIDS Walk New York
05/15/2009 - 05/17/2009 Yellow/White/Blue Fire Department of New York, National EMS Week
05/18/2009 - 05/19/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
05/20/2009 Blue/White/Blue Columbia University, 2009 Commencement
05/21/2009 - 05/26/2009 Red/White/Blue Fleet Week/Memorial Day
05/27/2009 - 05/28/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
05/29/2009 - 05/31/2009 Blue/White/Blue Israel Tribute Committee, Salute to Israel Parade
06/01/2009 - 06/03/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
06/04/2009 Green/White/Green New York Racing Association, Belmont Stakes
06/05/2009 - 06/07/2009 Green/Green/Green Asia Society, Brooklyn Academy of Music (BAM), and New York University Center for Dialogues - Muslim Voices: Arts & Ideas
06/08/2009 Blue/Blue/Blue National Marine Sanctuary Foundation, United Nations World Ocean Day
06/09/2009 - 06/11/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
06/12/2009 - 06/14/2009 Blue/Green/Yellow Caribbean Tourism Development Company, Caribbean Week 2009
06/15/2009 Colors TBD Mets and Yankees "Subway Series", Team colors of Subway Series winner
06/16/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
06/17/2009 Red/White/Blue United States Golf Association, U.S. Open
06/18/2009 - 06/25/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
06/26/2009 - 06/28/2009 Lavender/Lavender/White Heritage of Pride, NYC Pride 2009
06/29/2009 Colors TBD Mets and Yankees "Subway Series", Team colors of Subway Series winner
06/30/2009 - 07/01/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
07/02/2009 - 07/05/2009 Red/White/Blue Independence Day
07/06/2009 - 07/13/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
07/14/2009 Blue/Yellow/White National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP), Centennial Anniversary
08/06/2009 - 08/13/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
08/14/2009 - 08/16/2009 Green/White/Orange Federation of Indian Associations, 29th Annual India Day Parade
08/17/2009 - 08/30/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
08/31/2009 Yellow/Yellow/Yellow United States Tennis Association, US Open Opening Night
09/01/2009 - 09/03/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
09/04/2009 - 09/07/2009 Red/White/Blue Labor Day
09/08/2009 Orange/Orange/Orange 400th Anniversary of Henry Hudson's Journey on the Hudson River
09/09/2009 Pink/Pink/White Susan G. Komen for the Cure, City in Pink
09/10/2009 Orange/Orange/White Food Bank New York City, NYC Goes Orange
09/11/2009 Red/White/Blue In Memory of September 11
09/12/2009 - 09/14/2009 Yellow/Yellow/Yellow United States Tennis Association, US Open Finals Weekend
09/15/2009 Blue/Blue/Blue United Nations General Assembly
09/16/2009 Purple/Yellow/White FFAWN Foundation, GUCCI for FFAWN Day
09/17/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
09/18/2009 - 09/19/2009 Yellow/Red/Black 52nd Annual Steuben Day Parade
09/20/2009 Green/Green/Green Eid-al-Fitr
09/21/2009 - 09/23/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
09/24/2009 Red/Red/Red The Wizard of Oz 70th Anniversary and the Ruby Slipper Collection
09/25/2009 - 09/29/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
09/30/2009 - 10/01/2009 Red/Yellow/Red 60th Anniversary of the People�s Republic of China
10/02/2009 - 10/04/2009 Blue/Blue/White American Academy of Dramatic Arts, 125th Anniversary
10/05/2009 - 10/08/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
10/09/2009 - 10/12/2009 Red/White/Green Columbus Day
10/13/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
10/14/2009 Purple/Purple/White New York State Coalition Against Domestic Violence, Domestic Violence Awareness Month
10/15/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
10/16/2009 - 10/18/2009 Yellow/Yellow/Yellow El Museo del Barrio, Grand Re-Opening
10/19/2009 White/White/White ESB Lighting
10/20/2009 Purple/Red/Red Gabrielle's Angel Foundation, Gabrielle�s Gala
10/21/2009 Red/Red/Red Solomon R. Guggenheim Museum, 50th Birthday
10/22/2009 Yellow/Yellow/Yellow Afterschool Alliance � Lights on Afterschool
10/23/2009 - 10/25/2009 Purple/Purple/White Alzheimer's Association, 2009 Memory Walk
NOTE: Colors are listed from bottom to top as they appear from the street.
Tower lights go off every night at 2:00 AM.
Gutshot John
10-01-09, 15:35
A display that celebrates communism? How many people saw the lights and had a clue? Of all the shitty things going on, outrage over this is a bit misplaced imo.
In a country that often can't name its Vice-President, I bet 99% of people had no freakin clue what "red and gold" meant (I'd bet more people thought of the 49ers)...until the outrage gave the Chinese more publicity than they could have hoped for otherwise.
One runs into people on a daily basis that would make one's head explode if one let them meanwhile the news media pulls those strings and makes everyone dance about on an otherwise ridiculously slow news day.
If you're all happy with the tune, by all means don't let me keep you from tapping your feet.
montanadave
10-01-09, 15:40
Maybe folks should have started bitching before the United States borrowed a TRILLION ****ING DOLLARS from the Chinese government!
rickrock305
10-01-09, 15:58
Maybe folks should have started bitching before the United States borrowed a TRILLION ****ING DOLLARS from the Chinese government!
absolutely! be pissed about that, make threads about that.
no, its easier to be pissed off at the colors of lights :D
SWATcop556
10-01-09, 17:04
absolutely! be pissed about that, make threads about that.
no, its easier to be pissed off at the colors of lights :D
And if this thread was about that then post away. The topic for the post was the lighting in celebration of the communist government and it's rise to power. I hate that we borrowed one cent from them, but that's a topic for another thread.
It is still a privately owned building. Maybe we should make it so you can dictate what colored lights can be on privately owned buildings?
No one asked you to support it or celebrate it.
Just as the ESB can light up whatever colors they want for whatever reasons they want, private citizens can likewise bitch about it if they are so inclined. :rolleyes:
Quinn and Rose gave out the telephone # yesterday for the switchboard to call and voice our opinion of displeasure of honoring china and not the Marines, here ya go:D 214-736-3100
A display that celebrates communism? How many people saw the lights and had a clue? Of all the shitty things going on, outrage over this is a bit misplaced imo.
Build a bridge, get over it. Nothing one can do about it now and there are better uses of one's time and energy.
So build a bridge and get over it. Just lay down and pretend nothing happened.
Gutshot John
10-01-09, 17:45
So build a bridge and get over it. Just lay down and pretend nothing happened.
I don't have to pretend - Nothing of even the slightest consequence to yours or anyone else's life "happened."
That's what I'm trying to tell you but if you're content to beat your head against a wall than knock yourself out.
And no one asked you to defend it. I'd rather fall on this side of the fence than yours but that's my right being an American, just as it's yours to defend an un-American display from a "privately owned building."
+1 from me, swat. I'm sicka this kinda shit too....
absolutely! be pissed about that, make threads about that.
no, its easier to be pissed off at the colors of lights :D
Both would probably have about the same level of ultimate effectiveness.
But it's fun to be the snarky little iconoclast, isn't it?
I don't have to pretend - Nothing of even the slightest consequence to yours or anyone else's life "happened."
That's what I'm trying to tell you but if you're content to beat your head against a wall than knock yourself out.
You certainly think a lot of yourself, don't you?
I know, you tell us and tell us, but we just don't listen.
Such is the curse of The Smartest Guy in the Room.
Just as the ESB can light up whatever colors they want for whatever reasons they want, private citizens can likewise bitch about it if they are so inclined.
I never said stop bitching about anything, I just pointed out the facts that it is a privately owned building and no one asked you to support or celebrate anything. On a forum where most want the government to stay out of their business, they will quickly jump up to remove rights from someone else if they dont agree with it.
Just to set the record straight, I dont support china or communism.
Gutshot John
10-01-09, 19:11
You certainly think a lot of yourself, don't you?
I know, you tell us and tell us, but we just don't listen.
Such is the curse of The Smartest Guy in the Room.
Well that explains a lot.
No wonder you allow yourself to be distracted by nonsense.
I never said stop bitching about anything, I just pointed out the facts that it is a privately owned building and no one asked you to support or celebrate anything. On a forum where most want the government to stay out of their business, they will quickly jump up to remove rights from someone else if they dont agree with it.
Just to set the record straight, I dont support china or communism.
Hmmm.
Well until any of you go through your own house and throw out EVERYTHING that was made in China you really have no room to bitch about it.
In any case, I just read every post in this thread over again, and with one arguable and minor exception, there were no calls for anyone to remove any rights from anyone. There were plenty of people who think it sucks what they are doing, but I haven't seen anyone say that their right to light their building whatever color they want should be removed.
You need to learn to comprehend the difference between saying that you think something is stupid and saying that the government should stop that stupid something from being done.
There isn't any quickly jumping "up to remove rights from someone else" they don't agree with. Sorry.
No wonder you allow yourself to be distracted by nonsense.
LOL, "distracted" from what exactly?
Bringing Netanyahu and Abbas together for drinks, guiding sensible health care reform through Congress, staring down Ahmadinejad, auditing and reforming the Fed?
Maybe I'm just a little more capable than you thought!
I can call "celebrating" the genesis of a regime that killed 70 million people a disturbing and stupid activity in my sleep.
Maybe it takes a lot of emotional and intellectual capital for you, who knows?
rickrock305
10-01-09, 20:07
Both would probably have about the same level of ultimate effectiveness.
But it's fun to be the snarky little iconoclast, isn't it?
i agree, both are a waste of time. but the government selling our country to China we can actually do something about. vote, write your congressman, hell run for office!
i agree, both are a waste of time. but the government selling our country to China we can actually do something about. vote, write your congressman, hell run for office!
You're assuming I've done none of those things?
and as for this:
but the government selling our country to China we can actually do something about.
I'm all ears, please offer your solutions!
How is it trivial to minimize the overt public recognition of an event that led to the death of millions and is the antithesis of everything this country stands for?
Why would anyone need to ask this question? :confused:
Gutshot John
10-01-09, 22:14
Maybe I'm just a little more capable than you thought!
That's just it, I've never given you anywhere near that much thought at all.
It appears that you have some insecurities that you've chosen to project onto me.
I hope that it works out for you.
Gutshot John
10-01-09, 22:17
How is it trivial to minimize the overt public recognition of an event that led to the death of millions and is the antithesis of everything this country stands for?
Why would anyone need to ask this question? :confused:
The point made was that how many people are getting themselves in a twist over this, do more to support the communist regime by shopping at Walmart than shining silly lights on the Empire State Building.
It's completely unserious to ridicule the the light display while simultaneously supporting the regime by buying cheap chinese goods.
That there are so many other SERIOUS issues we have to address as a nation, getting wound up over this is more than a little trivial.
That's just it, I've never given you anywhere near that much thought at all.
It appears that you have some insecurities that you've chosen to project onto me.
I hope that it works out for you.
Well that explains a lot.
No wonder you allow yourself to be distracted by nonsense.
I don't think you realize how arrogant you seem.
But that's OK, I'm just trying to help.
The point made was that how many people are getting themselves in a twist over this, do more to support the communist regime by shopping at Walmart than shining silly lights on the Empire State Building.
It's completely unserious to ridicule the the light display while simultaneously supporting the regime by buying cheap chinese goods.
That there are so many other SERIOUS issues we have to address as a nation, getting wound up over this is more than a little trivial.
OH BS.
So if we stop shopping at Walmart, the Chicom empire will just crumple and die? Is it that simple? Or like RickRock, do we just need to vote, send letters, and run for office?
That'll change the world, right?
Let me ask, instead of posting, commenting, and making subtle judgments about the news of the day, just what should we do, directly and specifically, that would "address" these SERIOUS issues?
Or, better, what are YOU doing that gives you even a little justification for walking in here and telling all of these people that their opinions on this current event are silly and frivolous?
The point made was that how many people are getting themselves in a twist over this, do more to support the communist regime by shopping at Walmart than shining silly lights on the Empire State Building.
You know I have tremendous respect for you and your base of knowledge. But to compare folks shopping at Walmart for mostly necessities at a discount, during a brutal recession, to the now internationally displayed celebration of the institution of communism in China is just way beyond a stretch.
As they say far too often on the new ESPN pre-game show..."Come on, man".
You know I have tremendous respect for you and your base of knowledge. But to compare folks shopping at Walmart for mostly necessities at a discount, during a brutal recession, to the now internationally displayed celebration of the institution of communism in China is just way beyond a stretch.
As they say far too often on the new ESPN pre-game show..."Come on, man".
It's enough that I can go to sleep peacefully tonight, knowing Gutshot John is working, quietly, diligently, FORCEFULLY, behind the scenes, working to address the SERIOUS issues of the day.
I, for one, am suitably chastened, for my lack of seriousness.
Gutshot John
10-02-09, 07:08
You know I have tremendous respect for you and your base of knowledge. But to compare folks shopping at Walmart for mostly necessities at a discount, during a brutal recession, to the now internationally displayed celebration of the institution of communism in China is just way beyond a stretch.
As they say far too often on the new ESPN pre-game show..."Come on, man".
I'm not comparing them. I'm simply pointing out an inconsistency.
I've nothing to against people who shop at Walmart during a recession, but that shopping pattern does more to support the communist dictatorship than shining a bunch of silly lights. Add to this the billions of dollars in personal and public debt that Chinese banks have provided American consumers and government. "The last capitalist we hang will be the one who sold us the rope." The communists even told you what they're going to do and now the rope is made in China.
This media manufactured outrage is a pose without any substance. If people want to stop this dictatorship than stop supporting it with their wallets and support of deeply flawed economic policies that predate the current administration by decades.
If they wish to continue shopping at Walmart that's their choice but I find it at least a little hypocritical to simultaneously get outraged over this. If you don't well then that's your prerogative but I don't think it's really a stretch to realize that there is an inconsistency here.
Gutshot John
10-02-09, 07:09
I don't think you realize how arrogant you seem
I don't think you realize how insecure you seem but if you think I'm arrogant, simply put me on ignore.
I'll return the favor.
I've nothing to against people who shop at Walmart during a recession, but that shopping pattern does more to support the communist dictatorship than shining a bunch of silly lights.
Yes it does. The situation is certainly imperfect.
What does a company's decision about what they want to celebrate have to do with the direction the country is going in? I see this comment thrown around frequently and seems to suggest that the actions of a few somehow manifests the will or direction of the country. When they light the building up in red, white, and blue next 4th of July, will that mean that we're heading back in the right direction? Our once great nation? Did I miss the memo that informed us all that this great nation of ours no longer exists? Should I assume the President will subsequently be fingered for having a role in this? Collectively a lot of people in this country need to get a ****ing grip.
My blood has been boiling for the last two days because the Empire State Building was lit up in red and gold colors tonight to commemorate/celebrate Communist China's 60th anniversary.Are these people kidding me?This is the direction our country is heading in?Whats next,celebrating North Koreas birthday as well? In my eyes,this is a sad day ( one of many lately ) for our once great nation.
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