View Full Version : Gear loadout pics and descriptions
militarymoron
10-07-09, 15:16
This thread is for members to post pics, info, descriptions etc on their gear loadouts. This is primarily meant for 1st line/2nd line gear, not individual pouches or items. We can start other stickied threads when necessary.
Please ensure that you post the following info to accompany your photos:
1. Title your post 'Range loadout', 'Contractor loadout', 'LE loadout', 'Military combat loadout', '3-gun match loadout', 'Home defense loadout' etc, or whatever best describes how the gear is used.
2. List the items in the photos.
3. Include a brief description of why you made the equipment choices you did and any other info you'd like to include.
NCPatrolAR
10-07-09, 19:30
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC01962.jpg
Paraclete Hard Plate Carrier (non-cummerbund)
Eagle dual M4 pouch (containing Esstac 12ga shotgun cards)
Eagle 40mm pouch (contains pocket smoke)
HSGI Bleeder pouch (assorted medical gear, shears behind pouch)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v207/Brachialstun/DSC00910.jpg
I originally used an Eagle PC w/ cummerbund, but didnt like how it felt when I shouldered a long gun. I also found the CB to be a bit slower to don than a non-CB version. My original PC (shown above) consisted of:
Eagle - CB Plate carrier
3 Tactical Tailor single M4 pouches
Tactical Tailor 16 rnd shot panel
Eagle 40mm pouch (pocket smoke)
HSGI Bleeder
Gutshot John
10-08-09, 11:49
Here is mine. It took a lot of trial and error. I almost took a more telling picture of the pile of gear I've bought but put aside as not workable for me, but I thought I'd keep it simple and focus on what I did choose. I'm using this for everything: 3Gun, Class, SHTF whatever. Like anything else it's a series of compromises with functionality/comfort/mobility being the key qualities.
I ended up with the two-piece MAV with X-Harness as the most comfortable and stable rig I've tried. Traditional chest rigs like the SKD/Eagle were invariably unbalanced towards the front which could get a little rough on the back. I wanted something that could balance the load around the body. Weight is very evenly distributed and so even if it seems like a lot, it is more comfortable than the smaller chest rigs I've tried.
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll99/GutshotJohn/CIMG0438.jpg
I chose to be able to carry 4 mags and staged them on my right side using a TT 3-mag shingle for tac loads and an Eagle FB pouch as a dedicated emergency reload pouch. I preferred the FB to the FAST Mag. I chose a single-shingle setup rather than a 2-3 mag flap pouch as its more comfortable and distributes the weight better around the body. I've tried two shingles but together they added too much bulk and one side was always unbalanced.
Between the FB pouch and the shingle I placed a Blackwater flashlight pouch to give a bit more room to grab the FB. Having the FB right next to the shingle significantly slowed the reload and made it hard to grab with a proper beer can grip.
The HSGI pistol Mag pouches are staged horizontally but I'm not sure I've got the best setup or pistol mag pouches for that matter. I do like the horizontal setup as it doesn't torque the platform into your ribs like a vertical setup would do. I will be switching to FB pistol mag pouches.
On the TT hydration pouch is a Spec-Ops large first aid pouch (contents - Israeli battle dressing, a tourniquet and two injectors of Celox). I also have a small EGL Loopy dump /utility pouch. I've decided that the dump pouch is exclusively for tac reloads as a place to store "light" magazines and loose rounds. Empty mags get dropped on the deck to be collected later (IF possible as I've noticed a training scar of using the dump pouch during an emergency reload and I'm in the process of breaking that habit - Thanks to RetreatHell for teaching me that lesson the easy way).
On the left side I'm using a TT large utility pouch as a kind of "possibles bag": speed loaders; lube; tools; cleaning kit etc. Next to that is a Blackwater "Universal" holster which isn't the fastest holster around but has filled a niche for me over the last couple of years being able to accept both my Glocks and 1911, light mounted or otherwise but I'm realizing it's days are numbered as well. Attached to the front of the holster is a B/W multi-tool pouch (Victorinox).
I'm a big believer in knives and have had one on my person pretty much everyday since my dad gave me my first at 12 years old. I was taught that you always have a knife and fire on your person. In that time I've also learned that while a bigger blade can often do things a small blade can, a small blade can't do the things a larger blade can but some blades get ridiculously big. Cosmok and I collaborated on the "Gutshot" knife you see in the black sheath (link https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=29216 ). Surprisingly it's very comfortable to wear in a seated position like in a car. I can even bend forward while sitting. On the front of the knife is a second tourniquet in Blueforce holder.
All told it's a very comfortable setup that I wouldn't have been able to put together without a lot of time spent on the range, troubleshooting problems, developing my own techniques that take into account options and solutions.
gruntinhusaybah
10-10-09, 00:24
http://i15.photobucket.com/albums/a355/lecherojr/sckool004.jpg
ATS chest rig
IFAK from a local surplus store with TKN guts
BFG 10 speed with a pressure bandage, bottle of EWL and SF E2e, emergency reload mag
IsrAgor Vest. Israeli Manufacture. This was the best vest I could afford that offered the most options, GoldFlex IIIA Panels, MOLLE compatible , 10"X12" Plate pockets, etc. The pouches are the ones that came with it. Pretty low quality and will be replaced with pouches from Eagle Industries, Specter Gear, Maxpedition, Diamondback Tactical and High Speed Gear Inc. I will be getting 1/2" Ceramic Level IV ICW plates from Bulletproofme.com when funds allow. Was thinking about Dyneema plates until I realized how much AP surplus ammo is out there. The cost of Dyneema plates are also a little out there for me.
I keep 5 rifle mags and 2 pistol mags on the vest. A 1/4" shank tool kit is also in one of the pouches along with a Cold Steel Recon Tanto, Cobra FRS Radios for communicating with my wife as I live in a rural area and leaving my house and engaging outdoors if SHTF might be the best option. I keep a 4oz. can of MkIV pepper foam and a 21" ASP Baton with clip-on mirror for less-lethal applications. A Taser C2 will soon be added as well.:eek: I have been tased and it certainly causes minor PTSD, not a fun ride at all. 1 pair each of S&W hinged and chained handcuffs. 2 each M18 smoke grenades:) never know and they are cool. The contents of the vest may change a little after I decide which pouches to buy. That right there can drive a guy nuts. The vest is a front overlapping opening for quick deployment. Carbine is a Bushmaster Superlight A2 with Surefire G2, CAA mount, XS 24/7 Striped front sight, XS non-tritium same plane rear, ZM weapons single point sling. The carbine is loaded with Hornady 55Gr. TAP.
The belt is a Galco Instructors belt. I like this kind of belt because it can be quickly adjusted for thicker/thinner clothing. Eagle Industries SAS Mk V holster with one strap removed and same makers SAS PMIII mag pouches. Surefire 6Z Combatlight with Surefire holster and lanyard. Front mag pouch on the holster carries a Kershaw folding knife and pocket-clip handcuff key. Pistol lanyard is from Blackhawk.:( The Velcro is already wearing out and it has the big stupid logo in it. The pistol is a Beretta 92FS Brigadier with Lasermax guide rod laser and Trijicon Night Sights.and is loaded with Federal 115Gr. +P+ 9BPLE. There are 3 pistol mags on the belt in case it is all I can get on in time and offers me a decent amount of ammo. I also have the same holster(which can be quickly changed from the belt) for my Kimber Classic Custom 1911 .45ACP if I feel it will be a better choice. This statement will certainly cause some harsh feelings towards the Beretta. I am however a big fan of the Model 92FS and the Kimber 1911 pistols so I feel having both that are easy to swap on the belt gives me the best versatility. Mag pouches work for both pistols. I keep the belt relatively empty of anything but pistol and mags as it sits under my body armor and getting to anything mounted on the belt is a pain.
Update: I have got new higher quality pouches finally and added a Surefire X300 to my Beretta 92 Brigadier.
BushmasterFanBoy
10-15-09, 11:50
Here's my loadout for the range.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd283/Burke888/DSC_6066.jpg
BFG Molle Belt with BFG Inner Belt
Safariland 6004 for Beretta M9 (with multitool)
Eagle FB pouches (Two M4 pouches, One dbl. M9 Mag pouch)
BFG Trauma Kit Now
BFG "BooBoo" Pouch
Pact III Timer
I chose the Molle belt since I wanted an option that was smaller and more streamlined than my previous chest rig. Faster Mag changes, better weight carriage were big factors. As for the Blue Force Gear design, I really like it's adjustability. The inner belt replaced an Eagle Duty belt, which had problems due to its overlapping velcro section. But the BFG belt is lighter and simpler, just click and go.
As for the holster, the 6004 is an obvious choice, IMHO, its the best thigh mounted holster out there. I've used this one for years, and have modified the shroud to ride higher, cutting out one leg strap and shaping the empty slot to conform to the thigh. I also keep an el-cheapo multitool on it for adjusting sights and other tasks requiring small tools.
The Eagle FB pouches are excellent. I'm a big fan of Eagle's gear, they make nice kit, and their pouches are no exception. They retain the mags so well, I went ahead and trimmed the tops and retainer tabs off the pouches, since they had a rare ability to get stuffed into the pouch along with a retained mag during tac reloads.
The Trauma Kit Now and the BooBoo pouch are two sides of the same coin. The range I go to is fairly out of the way, and has a large quantity of steel targets.(read: accidents waiting to happen) I figured it was definitely better to be safe than sorry, so I got a Trauma Kit Now, which I have setup at the middle of my belt for equal access by each arm. (This is in case the ND/AD/Splashback happens to hit an arm) The BooBoo pouch is for more minor, but much more common things, like severe hammer bite, slide bite, or just for storing misc. items like a lighter or extra hearing protection.
The Timer is probably my favorite piece of kit, since hard numbers are hard to argue with, and it gives you a solid indicator of your skills and progress. Thinking "that was pretty fast" and knowing "my splits were .18 seconds" are two entirely different realms of professionalism.
gruntinhusaybah
10-15-09, 13:07
That is one sexy lookin rifle brother!
How does the belt ride without suspenders?
What size belt did you go with, and what size pants do you wear?
Does the TKN flop at all mounted there?
I'm looking into a similar setup
Thanks
BushmasterFanBoy
10-15-09, 17:02
That is one sexy lookin rifle brother!
How does the belt ride without suspenders?
What size belt did you go with, and what size pants do you wear?
Does the TKN flop at all mounted there?
I'm looking into a similar setup
Thanks
The belt rides very nicely, even without suspenders (I did buy a set from BFG, but they've gone mostly unused, as the belt rides very well) The padding keeps it snug without being tight.
I just bought the SOC-C belt and BFG SOC-C Inner belt, they don't have a size to them, and to answer your question, I've used this belt with all my pant sizes this year from 44" to my current 34". That's another thread, but it highlights how adjustable this kit is. ;)
The TKN flops a bit, but its not annoying, the back is pretty heavily padded, so its not really noticeable. The only complaints I have with my placement are getting in vehicles (which isn't that common for my range rig) and supine shooting (which I don't shoot much in, and it doesn't prevent me from doing, so its ok as you don't assume that position unless you literally land in it anyways) I think its worth the tradeoff for equal access from each arm, so I accept the drawbacks. Others may feel differently. :)
gruntinhusaybah
10-15-09, 17:08
Thanks for the answers, I'm pretty sold on this setup now
Can you give me the specs on your rifle? Specifically bbl and rail length
Congratulations btw
BushmasterFanBoy
10-15-09, 17:29
Thanks for the answers, I'm pretty sold on this setup now
Can you give me the specs on your rifle? Specifically bbl and rail length
Congratulations btw
It's a 14.5" M4 Profile bbl with a LaRue 13.2" Rail.
On it, I've got the following:
Troy Front and Rear Flip Up Sights
Aimpoint M4s in LaRue mount
Magpul XTM Panels
Surefire 6p LED in LaRue offset mount
LaRue FUG vfg
BFG Redi-Mod
Magpul Battery Assist Device
Magpul MIAD grip
Magpul UBR Stock with Enhanced Buttpad
All given a coat of Rustoleum Camo spray paint. :eek:
Since this is a gear thread, here's the pics of my previous Chest Rig and Eagle Duty belt setup, which was replaced by my current belt mounted rig.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd283/Burke888/DSC_0284.jpg
Here is my chest rig, which is a Diamondback Tactical RACK system. It's very compact, but the mags are a bit tight, hence the Eagle FB pouch for a speed reload. Some might wonder why the pistol mags are on the right, and that's for a good reason, as I'm only going to reload my pistol when my primary is down, and it lays towards the center of my chest, I keep the mags on right for easier access. And of course, an Emdom mini-medic pouch is for GP storage. This rig worked quite well for a long time, until I finally got some sense and decided 6 mags was a bit much for the range and I needed to keep my reloads and secondary on the same line.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd283/Burke888/DSC_0272.jpg
This is the belt rig to accompany the chest rig above, and it also worked well. I used an eagle SAS dump pouch mounted on my thigh for retaining mags, and my trusty 6004 is seen in its pre-Krylon glory. I'd still be using the SAS pouch mounted on my belt if it weren't for the fact I'm only managing 4 mags now instead of 9. A good belt to be sure, just that my requirements and attitudes towards what I wanted out of my gear happened to change.
Ill be your huckelberry. My current AS/Warrant rig V2. Eagle Ind. PC , ATS triple/triple, BFG Ten-Speed and TQ Now, Surefire Helmet light , CAT. BOK is seperate CSM gear waistpack
http://i469.photobucket.com/albums/rr60/pmpd07/PCV2.jpg?t=1256303906
It works out well for my needs. It carries the basics that I need for an active shooter, bullets, bangs and bandaids.I dont usually have a need for a a full vest like my RAV so this fills the niche. Although I am really digging the Mayflower vest to maybe replace this in the future. Originally there was a PC TX3 where the ATS rides now but I let another officer use that for his vest.
I use the chest rig to back-feed my belt pouch or my Redimod attached to the gun, or both. I prefer to use my regular carry rig for my pistol and add one carbine magazine to the belt. I do not see a chest rig as a fighting loadout for me as a non-LE civilian. Read more about my take on this here (http://tacticalyellowvisor.net/8343/56227.html).
Left to right
Leatherman PSTII (I don't think they make this anymore) in Eagle pouch (same, can't find another one anywhere)
three AR magazines
Benchmade Model 7 Rescue Hook (http://www.benchmade.com/products/product_list.aspx?keyword=hook)
Blue Force Gear Tourniquet NOW! Strap (http://www.blueforcegear.com/product.cfm?type=cat&cat_id=6&prod_id=113) with SOF-T Tourniquet (http://www.tacmedsolutions.com/07/products/product_detail.php?prod_id=2)
Pentagon Light MOLLE light (also discontinued)
Eagle Chest Rig M4, MOLLE, LE (http://www.eagleindustries.com/product.php?productid=118&cat=71&page=1)
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/Chest%20Rig/EAGLEM4FB1.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/Chest%20Rig/EAGLEM4FB2.jpg
hey john,
i like the way you did your pistol mag pouch, where did you get the panel you have them mounted to?
I like this thread. Get a chance to see what/why folks are running.
Rob,
Are you using the rescue hook for a tool to deal with malfunctions?
PJ
No. I have never used it for anything, but the intent is to use it to cut away gear, clothes, etc. if I needed to.
Dan from VTAC demonstrated a technique of using it as a lever to create space and to pull a bolt to the rear on certian types of malfunctions.
PJ
I've done this with the flathead on a Leatherman tool and a stout fixed blade knife like a Strider. In fact it's what initially let me to attaching a Strider to my old rig at one time.
Jay Cunningham
11-12-09, 10:47
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http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll200/Thekatar/1104091556-01.jpg
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Rig:
ATS War Belt
ATS War Belt Insert Belt
Component Description (counter-clockwise):
Blade-Tech Single Magazine Pouch with Tek-Lok
Eagle M4 Single + 9mm Double Open Top Pouch Molle (FB)
Eagle M4 Double Mag Pouch Molle
Maxpedition Dump Pouch - Rollypoly
Tactical Tailor Medic Pouch
Blade-Tech Tactical Light Holster w/DOH SR Loop
Maxpedition Double Sheath
Rationale:
I assembled this belt rig to support carbine training at shooting schools and during range practice. It has a secondary role in a high-risk situation if I ever need to arm myself with a carbine. The Blade-Tech mag pouch and holster allow for very smooth, rapid pistol transitions and emergency reloads.
The M4 open top pouch serves as my emergency carbine reload. Additional pistol magazine carriage is available, situation dependent. The dump pouch is sized right (smaller is better for me in this case) and attaches directly to the belt. The medical pouch is large and holds more than the bare bones. The double sheath carries a flashlight and multi-tool, or additional pistol magazines or weapon lubricant.
I may add a fixed blade with a kydex sheath behind the holster, and I may swap the + 9mm Double Open Top Pouch to an M4 Single Mag Pouch Molle (FB) to reduce bulk. The belt is primarily to support my carbine, so pistol mag carriage is a secondary role.
Hat-tip to panzerr for pioneering the "dropped and offset" holster concept: http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=431750&postcount=174
Tactical Tailor HEV
Eagle Triple M4 Mag Pouch
Emdom BOMB
Maxpedition Haffafug Admin Panel
Tactical Tailor Single Pistol Mag Pouches (mag in one, Surefire in another)
Blue Force Gear Modular Vest Strap
Tactical Tailor Duty Belt
Safariland 6004 on Tactical Shroud (single strap)
Sig 229 with TLR-1
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/jmcrockett56/DSC_0361.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/jmcrockett56/DSC_0369.jpg
Remington 870
H&K MP5N
RRA 14.5
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk163/jmcrockett56/DSC_0378.jpg
The HEV has been great, been running it since May or June of this year. It's a great option if you're not issued BALCS cut armor. We're issued First Choice soft armor and it fits the in the HEV perfectly. Additionally, the ability to add plates is huge. I needed something that I could wear for a long period of time comfortably, yet have the ability to carry all that I would need. This was as close to a CIRAS like setup that we could get and have it work for us.
I just picked up the Haffafug, I was looking for a small admin panel that wouldn't take up much room. This carries what I need (knife, multitool, a few pens and a pad) and allows me to mount pouches on it so I'm not overloading the vest or taking up too much space.
The Emdom BOMB is a great piece of kit. I tried a few other medical pouches and decided this one was the best for me. It has PALS on the outside so it's stackable and the inside was perfect for what I carry in it (Kerlix, gauze, shears, quickclot, some 3x4's and gloves).
The Eagle triple M4 mag pouch is great, it provides good retention (for hands on or tackling if necessary..;)) and I generally carry 3 mags on entries or for arrest operations.
There's a TT MP5 pouch in the last pic which I switch off to if I'm carrying the MP5 for something, it holds two mags and is really well built. Can add two of those to the vest after removing the Eagle.
I switched over my Safariland to the tactical shroud instead of trying to mod my original Safariland shroud....figured there was less chance I could screw it up this way :p, and I wouldn't go back. I like that the holster sits higher and still allows for vest clearance and transitions.
Pretty simple, but works well for my needs.
JC
JC, how did you find the sizing on the HEV? I hear it runs VERY large...
JC, how did you find the sizing on the HEV? I hear it runs VERY large...
I didn't think so.
I was issued First Choice 3A panels and I would be a size large in armor. My shirt size is large or XL, so I'm not a really big guy (5'9", 190).
At the time when I ordered mine, the HEV only came in L/XL, now they make a S/M as well. I traced my panels and sent them to TT and they told me I was good to go for the L/XL HEV. My panels fit in there great and I'm able to adjust the HEV to fit nice and snug. If need be, I could leave the vest closed and put it on over my head and be ready to go quickly if I didn't want to undo the velcro and close it back up again....which is nice because I work in plain clothes and don't always wear my vest.
There isn't a tremendous amount of adjustment because you are dealing with a cummerbund type of vest, but you could technically overlap the cummerbund in the front to really pull it tighter, but I would think if that were needed, the size S/M would be the best bet.
Overall, I'm really happy with it and glad I went in that direction. Can't say enough good things about it.
Hope this helps (and makes sense).
JC
Blue Force Gear Belt and suspenders
Kershaw Responder Rescue Knife
VooDoo Tactical 3 mag M-4 Pouch
VooDoo Tactical Pistol Mag Pouches (2)
Dump Bag
First Aid Kit
General Purpose Pouch
Kydex Glock Holster on a home made MOLLE holder
http://i257.photobucket.com/albums/hh219/benumb55839/M-4/DSCN0015.jpg
Jay Cunningham
01-03-10, 14:58
Interesting choice of fixed blade!
Interesting choice of fixed blade!
it is an awesome knife, stays super sharp has a nice hook on it for cutting webbing, just no point. Use it for climbing too.
I have two questions.
Bushmasterfanboy, does the Eagle duty belt require the use of a velcro inner belt and belt keepers? Will the Eagle duty belt fit through the loops on common pants such as jeans?
JC5611, do you happen to know if the HEV is available to non LE? I am in fact LE, but it won't be an agency or work purchase.
Thanks
I have two questions.
Bushmasterfanboy, does the Eagle duty belt require the use of a velcro inner belt and belt keepers? Will the Eagle duty belt fit through the loops on common pants such as jeans?
JC5611, do you happen to know if the HEV is available to non LE? I am in fact LE, but it won't be an agency or work purchase.
Thanks
CGSteve.....the HEV is available for individual purchase. TT only restricts the sale of the armor to LE, but the HEV carrier is good to go for civilian purchase.
Stay safe
JC
CGSteve.....the HEV is available for individual purchase. TT only restricts the sale of the armor to LE, but the HEV carrier is good to go for civilian purchase.
Stay safe
JC
Thanks for the quick response. I am going to check out the description on their site, but ask you also since you own and use it.
How does it don and doff? I'd prefer it to don similar to a Point Blank vest like the mil issue. And does it have MOLLE webbing all around?
Thanks for the quick response. I am going to check out the description on their site, but ask you also since you own and use it.
How does it don and doff? I'd prefer it to don similar to a Point Blank vest like the mil issue. And does it have MOLLE webbing all around?
The molle goes all the way around, plenty of real estate for pouches. I removed the internal cummerbund and set it up so that I can throw it on over my head without opening up the sides and re-cinching everything up. I'm plain clothes, so I like to be able to throw it on quickly if necessary.
How do you like the quality of the ATS belt? I figured for my non-LE self that it would be more than adequate vs. A BFG belt. Does it hold up well for what you're using it for?
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll200/Thekatar/1104091556-00.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll200/Thekatar/1104091556-01.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll200/Thekatar/1104091556-02.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll200/Thekatar/1104091557-00.jpg
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll200/Thekatar/1104091557-01.jpg
Rig:
ATS War Belt
ATS War Belt Insert Belt
Component Description (counter-clockwise):
Blade-Tech Single Magazine Pouch with Tek-Lok
Eagle M4 Single + 9mm Double Open Top Pouch Molle (FB)
Eagle M4 Double Mag Pouch Molle
Maxpedition Dump Pouch - Rollypoly
Tactical Tailor Medic Pouch
Blade-Tech Tactical Light Holster w/DOH SR Loop
Maxpedition Double Sheath
Rationale:
I assembled this belt rig to support carbine training at shooting schools and during range practice. It has a secondary role in a high-risk situation if I ever need to arm myself with a carbine. The Blade-Tech mag pouch and holster allow for very smooth, rapid pistol transitions and emergency reloads.
The M4 open top pouch serves as my emergency carbine reload. Additional pistol magazine carriage is available, situation dependent. The dump pouch is sized right (smaller is better for me in this case) and attaches directly to the belt. The medical pouch is large and holds more than the bare bones. The double sheath carries a flashlight and multi-tool, or additional pistol magazines or weapon lubricant.
I may add a fixed blade with a kydex sheath behind the holster, and I may swap the + 9mm Double Open Top Pouch to an M4 Single Mag Pouch Molle (FB) to reduce bulk. The belt is primarily to support my carbine, so pistol mag carriage is a secondary role.
Hat-tip to panzerr for pioneering the "dropped and offset" holster concept: http://m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=431750&postcount=174
Here is my current setup. I originally was running an Eagle Ciras and found it to be a little too big and restrictive. I recently picked up an Eagle quick release Plate carrier and found it to be a cross between the MARCIRAS and Eagle plate carrier. The release system is the exact same as the MARCIRAS and allows for easy adjustment. The Release system allows you to route the cable through the front top like the ciras or off to the right or left side, out of the way. All an all another win for Eagle, I’m not sure if this will become a production model or was just a demo but this would have been a great alternative to the Army’s KDH plate carrier (just sayin).
1st Line
-TAG padded MOLLE patrol belt
- ICE double quick draw pouch
- Khaki unknown dump pouch
2nd Line
- Eagle industries Quick Release plate carrier S/M with Small ESAPI’s
- 2X Eagle FB M4 mag pouch
- 3X Eagle open top mag pouch
- 1X Eagle double M4 mag pouch
- 1X S.O. Tech IFAK
- 1X Eagle Canteen/GP pouch
- 1X TT 1V pouch
- PACA Low Vis armor carrier w/ small BALCS armor.
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Jay Cunningham
03-29-10, 22:51
I think that I've pretty much settled into my final layout for my belt:
http://i288.photobucket.com/albums/ll200/Thekatar/M4C%202010%20Class%20-%20TD3/_EDT3093.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q109/eagle5_stl/M4C%20-%202010%20Winter%20Group%20Meet-Shoot/G_P1030125.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q109/eagle5_stl/M4C%20-%202010%20Winter%20Group%20Meet-Shoot/G_P1030155.jpg
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q109/eagle5_stl/M4C%20-%202010%20Winter%20Group%20Meet-Shoot/G_P1030258.jpg
I haven't felt the need to change anything in the last four months, so I think I'm pretty GTG.
My compliments for a great setup!
http://i286.photobucket.com/albums/ll99/GutshotJohn/CIMG0438.jpg
My compliments for a great setup!
Does anyone know who makes this IFAK pouch?
Sierrahotel83
04-17-10, 16:31
Looks like a Spec Ops...
http://www.specopsbrand.com/ProductDetails.asp?ProductID=42
Gutshot John
04-17-10, 17:27
It is a Spec-Ops. I've since switched to a Maxpedition FIGHT pouch.
Quiet-Matt
04-17-10, 20:00
I use an Eagle chest rig like Rob_S. I keep a few tools, a light and a knife on there as well.
http://lh4.ggpht.com/_5kA3JwNkBxc/S8pYy4OmSXI/AAAAAAAAF3s/2nZpcxNr8vg/s720/DSC00984.JPG
This is TAG plate carrier.
http://gallery.me.com/k.nguyen/100030/IMG_5518/web.jpg?ver=12680850550001
infidelprodigy
05-13-10, 03:30
Which TAG plate carrier is that & what size/type of plates are you running in there? The shoulder straps look more comfortable and CIRAS-like then the Paraclete SOHPC that i'm curently utilizing.
Also, does it accept side ESAPI's?
Don't know if they have a specify model name for this carrier, but the item code on their web site is CPH1. This is a one size fits all. and it should accept ESAPI.
I used this thing in couple of classes and run around in desert. It fits comfortably nice and tight.
Which TAG plate carrier is that & what size/type of plates are you running in there? The shoulder straps look more comfortable and CIRAS-like then the Paraclete SOHPC that i'm curently utilizing.
Also, does it accept side ESAPI's?
CENTCOM_Survivor
05-18-10, 10:12
BFG Ten Speed (from SKD of course) for quick rifle deployments.
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/BFGTenSpeed.jpg
Centcom, question for you.
Did you consider an armored solution? I am asking because I assume you have your soft armor in uniform, and wonder if a simple plate carrier (and plates) with mags and/or other gear attached wouldn't be a good option for uniform cops? I ask because I get questions like this from time to time and despite my telling these guys that it's not my place to advise on such things they still ask. I generally answer "plate carrier, plates, some pouches" because I know a few cops that go this route, and I was curious what made you choose a non-armored solution.
Thanks in advance.
CENTCOM_Survivor
05-18-10, 12:01
Centcom, question for you.
Did you consider an armored solution?
Yes, I have a PIG pre-production plate carrier with CPC IV plates for the really hot calls/active shooter/terrorist attack etc. It is pretty basic as I have a medical drop leg and a bandoleer with more mags if needed.
Ive found for myself being fast is more beneficial to being loaded down with a bunch of stuff. At one point I had a Woosatch with like 8 mags, med kit, and tools but it was more a hindrance than a help. Fast is smooth and smooth is fast.
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/P6160043copy.jpg
We have a fed LE guy that shoots with us and he has a very minimal plate carrier with only a couple of pouches on it that he can throw over his concealment armor. He runs it very well.
Thanks for the reply.
no officer should carry or needs to carry more than one mag in the gun and 2 or 3 spare
Bad, bad, bad, idea. What possible reason for limiting them could you have?
ET:
I am, however, glad you asked the question and we're now having this discussion. This thread is supposed to be pictures AND descriptions to include applications, rationale, and solutions, not simply a picture thread.
I keep those two open so I can stuff extra gear/paperwork/etc in them if needed.
The great thing about this rig is its very versatile. In fact I use it in plain clothes to carry my radio, G30 with two G21 mags, and Izzy bandage. If you can stuff it in there its going to hold.
It will fit over my PIG plate carrier w/plates with no problem, but I chose to just run the TACOs on the vest. I'm 600 and 230 so it has plenty of room.
Thanks, it is a good looking rig and priced right.
spencertactical.com
05-24-10, 01:19
Hello guys heres my plate carrier and m4 rifle............
ForTehNguyen
05-24-10, 07:38
do those Eagle Bandoleer fit stacked pmags well? Ive had a couple experiences where something I bought didnt fit 2 stacked pmags.
do those Eagle Bandoleer fit stacked pmags well? Ive had a couple experiences where something I bought didnt fit 2 stacked pmags.
Yes it does. Metal mags fit with the slip on rubbe mag pull bottoms, it would be tight with pmags. I will send you a photo.
Eagle Closed & Open With 4 PMags Each
https://www.m4carbine.net/picture.php?albumid=247&pictureid=1143
I forgot about this little guy. It is in my gun case with my M4 I have a 20round mag in my gun, it will not fit in my case with a 30. I bought the kydex mag holder from Chris Patty of www.CPWSA.com Chris had never sold one for a 2 1/4" duty belt they made it up for me and it rocks. Nice and snug no flop and pops on and off easily.
https://www.m4carbine.net/picture.php?albumid=247&pictureid=1144
https://www.m4carbine.net/picture.php?albumid=247&pictureid=1145
Guys, this is a gear thread. If you want to continue the conversation, it needs to go elsewhere. I can drag and drop the conversation if wanted, if not it is going to disappear.
I think it would be a good idea to move some of the conversation. It is good info but in the wrong place. I'd hate to see OP's thread get locked because it's been hijacked.
Failure2Stop
05-24-10, 13:09
I think it would be a good idea to move some of the conversation. It is good info but in the wrong place. I'd hate to see OP's thread get locked because it's been hijacked.
For anyone participating in or following the conversation on how many mags a LEO should have, you can find it here:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=663379#post663379
Outlander Systems
05-29-10, 21:11
Various mix of old BH gear, Milsurp, Spec-Ops, and Specter nylon. Throw in some BT for good measure.
http://img156.imageshack.us/img156/5364/kitwn.jpg
Paraclete comes
06-02-10, 21:53
my Mil/shtf plate carrier. Eagle pc with cummerbund, SASR mag pouch, benchmade nimravus fixed blade with eagle sheath, HSG pouch, one eagle mag pouch, two mag pouches from some company that makes stuff for cryes carrier, eagle IFAK pouch, etc.
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4017/4656140732_319d667148_b.jpg
my infidel Crye Precision CAGE:D
Night Angel
06-07-10, 21:42
5221
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Night Angel
06-07-10, 21:46
5227
That is my gear. Enjoy!
Sparky5019
06-10-10, 15:52
Here is my Tactical 3-Gun vest setup.
All Khaki Eagle Industries Gear:
MAR-CIRAS
Admin Pouch
Double M4 Mag Pouch
FB Single M4 Mag Pouch
FB Double G22 Mag Pouch
LE 3L Hydration Reservior Carrier
Source Hydration Reservior with Storm Valve
California Comp Works 6 Shell Stripper w/ UM-84 Back
Packman Quick Pull for easy entry into the MAR-CIRAS (this thing is cool; it ties into the release system and allows you to don the vest like a t-shirt...available from an Australian Paratrooper on E-Bay for about $35 + shipping). This thing made life easy enough I took the internal cummerbun out!
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv117/SparkySRNA/FrontFlash.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv117/SparkySRNA/BackFlash.jpg
http://i675.photobucket.com/albums/vv117/SparkySRNA/QuickPull.jpg
Sparky
BushmasterFanBoy
06-11-10, 22:15
Here's a better pic of my gear loadout, changed a couple of things about it as well.
http://i224.photobucket.com/albums/dd283/Burke888/DSC_7394.jpg
I've started to use the suspenders, as it keeps the belt from shifting leftward too much after sprinting (I'm starting to get this issue now that I'm wearing it looser, sucks with a drop leg because after about 50 yards, you'll start to get your leg all jocked up) and it also lets me keep the belt a bit on the loose side.
Added a Benchmade nimravus cub knife, I found the old multi-tool I was using to be horribly inadequate at actually cutting things.
Also added a couple of chemlights, I don't find myself out at night often, but I'm gonna be honest here, they look cool and give me "operator" cred. ;)
In all seriousness, I have used them to mark the spot of my gear duffel when I was practicing low-light usage in the woods. Easy to lose stuff out in the brush, even easier to do so at night.
Paraclete comes
06-12-10, 08:26
http://i922.photobucket.com/albums/ad68/HarrisonTactical/IMG_4441.jpg
Very well. Eagle plate carrier wore that for the last to deployment one to Iraq one to Afghan light simple and out of the way. Three double stack mag pouches, admin pouch(sasr mag pouch), fixed benchmade, eagle IFAK, Hydration sleeve, single m4 pouch w/ single 1911 pouch on the front, small rec pouch kept my can or a smoke in it, MBITR pouch, also a cable antenna woven through my molle vest for the mbitr. picture is worth a thousand words so I will leave it at that.
Guys, before this devolves any further, the intent of this thread was to post pictures and explain why you chose/use what you have in the picture. Simply posting pictures with no explanation isn't really what M4C is (or should be) about.
Sparky5019
06-19-10, 18:06
Here is my Tactical 3-Gun vest setup.
All Khaki Eagle Industries Gear:
MAR-CIRAS
Admin Pouch
Double M4 Mag Pouch
FB Single M4 Mag Pouch
FB Double G22 Mag Pouch
LE 3L Hydration Reservior Carrier
Source Hydration Reservior with Storm Valve
California Comp Works 6 Shell Stripper w/ UM-84 Back
Packman Quick Pull for easy entry into the MAR-CIRAS (this thing is cool; it ties into the release system and allows you to don the vest like a t-shirt...available from an Australian Paratrooper on E-Bay for about $35 + shipping). This thing made life easy enough I took the internal cummerbun out!
Sparky
My bad Rob, I actually meant to give my rationale but wound up in a hurry after starting the post.
I chose the MAR-CIRAS because I wanted the option to have both soft and hard armor if I needed to use it. I also wanted to have the amazing flexibility of this platform that I could keep all my ammo pouches/carriers on. I keep my G22 holster on my belt. I also wanted to carry a hydration pack and was able to snake the tube under the shoulder pad. I am using the EI FB mag pouches with the flaps removed as they hold the mags well though I will probably convert to more M4 FBs and a single M4 pouch that holds 2 or 3 in a stack to "feed" the FBs with. I will probably also get a 4 shell carrier and mount it a little higher above an M4 FB as I will need fewer shells (my feeling on shotguns is that they are tertiary weapon systems and should be shot dry at close range and thrown on the ground as soon as something else is available!).
As far as plates...y'all are going to laugh...currently the rig has airsoft plates in it to give it some rigidity. This rig is a competition rig and does not require the extra weight or protection that ceramic plates offer. I have soft armor in it and will have a set of ceramic plates soon enough. I have only gotten to wear it once so far and from what I can tell, I like it.
Sparky
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5645/dscn1191n.jpg
Second line
- Eagle LE FB chest rig (I put a carabiner
on the straps to keep them from rubbing up
against my neck)
- Eagle FB M4 pouch
- Eagle 100rd SAW pouch
- Benchmade rescue hook
- CAT tourniquet
First line
- Eagle MOLLE padded belt (removed the inner
belt and put in a riggers belt)
- Eagle FB M4 pouch
- TAG double pistol pouch
- Eagle med pouch (all the med supplies are in
a tear away pouch)
- Safariland 6004
I'm using Eagle AK and M4 FB chest rigs for my various rifle set ups with custom made Esstac yokes. I took an LMS Defense 1-day AK clinic back in march; the yokes were brand new that week, so the class was the first time I got to try one out. It made using the rig much more comfortable. I know the weight of 3 mags + odds/ends isn't anything to complain about, but the classic Eagle "X-straps" were just plain uncomfortable after time. The gear paired with the rifle and sling worked very well together.
AK rig when i first got it:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/hossb7/guns/AKchestrig.jpg
AK rig in current configuration (don't mind the grip :mad: ):
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/hossb7/AKRig4.jpg
AR rig (pretty much the same):
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/hossb7/ARRig1.jpg
the yoke:
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/hossb7/shooting/IMG_0066_3.jpg
Not pictured is a hydro carrier that attaches to the fastex buckles on my shoulders and secures to the waist strap on the bottom.
the sling is a Blue Force Gear Vickers. It's shared between my AR and AK until I can buy a 2nd. I've used this in multiple competitions on my AR, and on my AK in this training class and I can't find a single complaint.
http://i73.photobucket.com/albums/i231/hossb7/shooting/IMG_0065_3.jpg
i have my sling attached to the front loop with an H&K snap hook. on the rear, i have it looped around the sling swivel in the stock. to be honest, i don't like the way it's set up in the rear. i have to take my dominant arm out of the sling in order to shoot from my nondominant shoulder. i believe that if i did not have the monsterman grip installed (thanks a lot, CA), then i could have the sling installed closer to the rear end of the receiver around the thin part of the stock, and it would make carrying and transitioning shoulders a lot easier.
thats about it :)
Sierrahotel83
07-12-10, 21:40
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5645/dscn1191n.jpg
Second line
- Eagle LE FB chest rig (I put a carabiner
on the straps to keep them from rubbing up
against my neck)
- Eagle FB M4 pouch
- Eagle 100rd SAW pouch
- Benchmade rescue hook
- CAT tourniquet
First line
- Eagle MOLLE padded belt (removed the inner
belt and put in a riggers belt)
- Eagle FB M4 pouch
- TAG double pistol pouch
- Eagle med pouch (all the med supplies are in
a tear away pouch)
- Safariland 6004
How well do those TAG pistol mag pouches retain the Glock mags, I know that they use a magnet for retention, just wondering as I plan on getting a Glock in the future and my current mag pouches, Eagle FB, will not work with Glock mags and I would like to have pouches that work with all my pistol mags when I get a Glock.
http://i412.photobucket.com/albums/pp209/nav195/my%20firearms/140.jpg
Eagle PC with Cumberbun
Blackhawk triple mag
3 Blackhawk strike mag pouches
SOG Seal Pup Elite
Magpul MS2 sling
Raven Concelament Systems LC for Kimber Warrior and X300
RCS double Mag holder.
wolverineSIERRA
07-13-10, 11:04
how well does the mags hold in a open mag pouch like the one on your chest rig, as far as running, crawling etc
http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/5645/dscn1191n.jpg
Second line
- Eagle LE FB chest rig (I put a carabiner
on the straps to keep them from rubbing up
against my neck)
- Eagle FB M4 pouch
- Eagle 100rd SAW pouch
- Benchmade rescue hook
- CAT tourniquet
First line
- Eagle MOLLE padded belt (removed the inner
belt and put in a riggers belt)
- Eagle FB M4 pouch
- TAG double pistol pouch
- Eagle med pouch (all the med supplies are in
a tear away pouch)
- Safariland 6004
How well do those TAG pistol mag pouches retain the Glock mags, I know that they use a magnet for retention, just wondering as I plan on getting a Glock in the future and my current mag pouches, Eagle FB, will not work with Glock mags and I would like to have pouches that work with all my pistol mags when I get a Glock.
The TAG pouch is nice you should be able to run both your 1911 mag and glock mags in them. The retention is good with both and the magnet with elastic helps.
how well does the mags hold in a open mag pouch like the one on your chest rig, as far as running, crawling etc
I haven’t had any issues with mag retention in any of those situations. The eagle FB pouches are top of the line and you don’t have bungee cords or straps in the way.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p313/madcatjoe/Guns%20and%20Gear/downsized_0602000852.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p313/madcatjoe/Guns%20and%20Gear/downsized_0501001515.jpg
USGG LLCR with USGG triple shingle and 2 ATS doubles (will hold all mag types, great pouch)
best chest rig ive ever used. US Grunt Gear is amazing!
-Joe
Six Feet Under
07-22-10, 21:21
First Line:
Wilderness Instructor CSM Belt
Atomic Dog Holsters P-Mag pouch (x2)
Atomic Dog Holsters double Glock mag pouch
Crossbreed Supertuck IWB for my G19 (not pictured)
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv89/longrange308/ADH004.jpg?t=1279850742
Second Line:
Eagle/SKD universal chest rig
SO Tech IFAK pouch
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv89/longrange308/Gear/001-1.jpg
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv89/longrange308/Gear/005.jpg
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv89/longrange308/Gear/007-1.jpg
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv89/longrange308/Gear/009.jpg
I love the A.D.H. pouches. The lead time was only two weeks and I think I spent $70 on all three of them shipped, so they were a lot cheaper than similar pouches from Raven. Brian was a great guy to work with and I highly recommend him; so far I've done a few hours worth of dry fire practice, drills, and two afternoons of shooting with them and they have held up great. I wanted something less bulky than the chest rig to run for IDPA (obviously) and CFDCC/FDCC if I ever actually attend a shoot. They are also fairly concealable, and disappear if I wear them under a regular undershirt AND a Columbia-type fishing shirt.
The only negative things I have to say about the Eagle chest rig is I wish it had more molle on both sides of the pouches, and it could use bungee retention on the two middle mag pouches. I originally bought it for use as an active shooter rig once I finished the academy, but since I got shot that plan was put on hold, which leads me to my next purchase: armor and a carrier. I wish it supported plates, but that's what something like the HSGI Wasatch is for, so I'll probably buy one of those next. For my first piece of real gear, it has held up great (even though I haven't abused it at all... yet) and works very well. I prefer reloading from the belt, but I can just refill the kydex pouches from the chest rig if I want to.
The SO Tech pouch and some of the supplies I got a great deal on. I got the following for $19 at a machine gun shoot:
- SO Tech pouch
- HemCon 4x4 bandage
- CAT tourniquet
- NPA (size 28f) and surgi-lube
- (2) six inch israeli bandages
- (1) four inch israeli bandage
I added the nitrile gloves (only put one pair in there because I always have a pair in my pants pocket whether I'm going to the grocery or the gun range, so that's two pairs on my person when I have my gear), kerlix, shears, sharpie marker, 4x4 gauze pads, surgipad, and about 10-12 feet of duct tape wrapped on a plastic Wal-Mart gift card myself, along with six safety pins. Total cost of my med kit was about $25 to myself. I shouldn't have to explain why I have it considering it's a good idea to have around guns and especially since I already caught one last year. :p
http://i672.photobucket.com/albums/vv89/longrange308/Gear/011.jpg?t=1279851682
Sierrahotel83
07-22-10, 22:00
Those pouches look cool I need to checking them out and I think I will be ordering from them soon.
Six Feet Under
07-22-10, 22:31
I'll probably order a holster from him soon. If he could do a G19 + TLR-1, I'd definitely do it as soon as I had the money. However, he said he's going to wait to do lights until there are more gun models offered.
Sierrahotel83
07-22-10, 22:39
That was something I was actually wondering if he was gonna do pistol with lights... I will probably wait to get pouches til I decide what pistol I want to get this fall, actually August... altho I like the look of the Pmag pouches... might have to order some of those soon.
Six Feet Under
07-22-10, 22:47
I don't think you'll be disappointed. Those mags are NOT coming out of the pouch unless you tug on them pretty good. The retention is really good; they pop in and out noticeably.
kaltesherz
08-03-10, 13:13
I had a bit of "leftover" armor (both soft and hard) after I got out of the service, so I decided to put together the best rig I could on a budget. I did some research and found that a few years ago a company by the name of Tactical Applications Group (not the other TAG) put a side-opening vest together that used IBA soft armor and SAPI plates. It was called the Spartan and had fairly favorable reviews, but wasn't side-plate friendly, so they improved it with the Spartan II, which has a cummerbund that accepts 6x6 AND 6x8 issue plates. They also made it easily adjustable for both width and height, which is nice as I'm fairly skinny but tall (6'4"). It ended up being so popular with Marines that they basing their MTV off of it, but managed to screw that up in typical bureaucratic fashion by changing the armor cut, but that's another story. Anyway, TAG's Spartan II seemed like exactly what I was looking for and managed to score one off Ebay for cheap, and since it was in USMC coyote brown, cheap matching pouches by Eagle were plentiful and easy to find. The only pouch I didn't score off ebay was the BFG Ten-Speed triple M4 pouch, which makes reloads quick and easy, but with positive retention so I don't have to worry about mags flying out. The USMC issue Eagle pistol magazine pouches were too narrow for my G19 mags so I had to slightly modify them but they appear to be designed so that the user can do exactly that, so it was quick and easy. I went with a vest mounted holster for my G19 because in my experience when you have to put stuff on in a hurry you tend to forget "little things" like drop leg holsters and this way I've got everything on my vest so I can just grab my rifle and go. The only thing I see improving in my set-up is the IFAK, which isn't in the best spot for self-aid and is a little big as I wanted something large enough to hold a decent amount of medical supplies.
I ran this vest this weekend for a M4C.com regional shoot (without SSAPI's) and found it to be extremely comfortable and significantly better than my previous issue IBA and IOTV. It seems very well made while offering quite a bit of protection. It offers a lot of flexibility as both large and medium SAPI's fit, so along it's built-in SSAPI carriers I can mix-and-match depending on the situation if I need more mobility or protection from rifle-caliber threats. I usually only keep 3 mags in my front M4 pouches but can carry 6 if need be, upping my rifle mags from 6 to 9 and can also add more pistol pouches as well.
TAG - Spartan II Vest w/ Medium SAPI's, IBA soft inserts, and SSAPI's
Eagle Industries - Double M4 mag pouch x1, Single M4 mag pouch, Single M9 mag pouch x2, Glock 19 Molle holster x1, Hydration Carrier (I got a good deal on this one in Ranger Green)
S.O. Tech - IFAK
Blue Force Gear - Ten Speed triple M4 mag pouch
Maxpedition - Rolly poly MM dump pouch in ACU (I've had this on every set up I've ever had, great dump pouch and a bit of a good luck charm over the years so I kept it despite my hate for anything in ACU)
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u64/kaltesherz/003-3.jpg
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u64/kaltesherz/002-6.jpg
Sierrahotel83
08-03-10, 15:06
I really wish I had gotten the Spartan II instead of the the Spartan I... Also I wish I had checked the size before I bid on it... Medium... I am kinda a big guy... I just wish I could find a cummerbund for it tho...
kaltesherz
08-03-10, 19:16
I really wish I had gotten the Spartan II instead of the the Spartan I... Also I wish I had checked the size before I bid on it... Medium... I am kinda a big guy... I just wish I could find a cummerbund for it tho...
I know someone out there makes a cummerbund that's designed to upgrade MOLLE plate carriers but if I were you I'd stay with your Spartan or sell it and get the improved model.
deputy tom
08-17-10, 18:22
Tagged.tom.
kaltesherz
08-17-10, 19:07
I really wish I had gotten the Spartan II instead of the the Spartan I... Also I wish I had checked the size before I bid on it... Medium... I am kinda a big guy... I just wish I could find a cummerbund for it tho...
Finally found that cummerbund that can retrofit molle vests, it's made by Mayflower
http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/-strse-3429/CUMMERBUND-ADAPTER-KIT/Detail.bok
Fried Chicken Blowout
08-17-10, 20:33
This is a civilian load out with a S&W M&P15TS, M&P9 and USPalm Defender with soft body armor panels. The whole set up can be grabbed quickly and does not weight much. Sure, rifle plate would be nice, but they are expensive...
http://gallery.me.com/jason_alicia/100413/DSCN4469/web.jpg?ver=12820947260001
Good looking set up. What have you done to attach the shackle for the front sling attachment.
This is a civilian load out with a S&W M&P15TS, M&P9 and USPalm Defender with soft body armor panels. The whole set up can be grabbed quickly and does not weight much. Sure, rifle plate would be nice, but they are expensive...
http://gallery.me.com/jason_alicia/100413/DSCN4469/web.jpg?ver=12820947260001
Fried Chicken Blowout
08-17-10, 21:24
That is some advice from another M4Carbine.net user. I posted the link on my writeup about the new rifle. It works great, I just have to do a little plastic dip to get rid of the shine. MagPul should be out with the proper mount for the front of their sling later this year. It's too big for a Mash or HK hook mount so you have to do something custom... Luck for me, it's a cheap Home Depot/Lowes setup after you get an MI HK mount for the rail, you build off it. Check out my link on THIS (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=60345) page for more info....
Sierrahotel83
08-17-10, 23:39
Finally found that cummerbund that can retrofit molle vests, it's made by Mayflower
http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/-strse-3429/CUMMERBUND-ADAPTER-KIT/Detail.bok
Thank you very much... as it seems that no one seems to wants to buy the vest so I guess I will make it usable for me...:D
This is a civilian load out with a S&W M&P15TS, M&P9 and USPalm Defender with soft body armor panels. The whole set up can be grabbed quickly and does not weight much. Sure, rifle plate would be nice, but they are expensive...
Two things. First, this is supposed to be more than a picture thread so we'd like to hear more about why you chose the parts and pieces you have, how it's working out for you and in what applications, what prior gear you used that led you to this stuff, etc. Second, and along those lines, why would you use a plate carrier and then not put any plates in it? Aren't there better choices for attaching magazines to your chest than a plate carrier if you're not going to use the armor?
Fried Chicken Blowout
08-18-10, 07:07
Rob_s
The US Palm Defender comes with Level III Soft Armor that is cut into the same shape as the Large E-SAPI plate. This way you get some pistol protection and can upgrade to rifle plates if you would like. The rig is low profile and light, that's what I was looking for. I didn't want the ability to carry a ton of mags. The nice thing is it's easy to get on and does not get in the way of a standard CCW style pistol belt holster and mag pouches. I didn't want to put my pistol up on the chest rig, as this in not normally how I run a pistol. So it's nice having gear that works with strong side belt carry of the holster.
Money makes the world go rounds and it makes rifle plates pop into your gear... I don't have money for rifle plates so Level III is better than nothing. I've had a couple other chest rigs in the past and felt they were too big for what I'd like so they went to the wayside.
The last one I tried was the OSOE Micro Rig which was built well, but I couldn't stand having the thickness of two mags in each pouch and prefer to only have one mag per pouch to keep it simple. I'm sure there are other ways to attach mags to your chest, but this one works well, it's simple and the whole thing is priced well.
If that doesn't answer your question, let me know...
US Grunt Gear Battlebelt
- cheap AR mag pouches(until I pick up some from USGG)
- cheap Double Stack mag pouch(same as above)
Condor 100liter hydration camelback with h-harness
Trauma Kit
Dump Pouch
Phantom Raven Light Compatible Holster
Have some other stuff coming too.
http://i6.photobucket.com/albums/y201/paintballaddict/Gear.jpg
NCPatrolAR
08-23-10, 19:51
Let me restate something that was posted on page 1 and a lot of people seem to be missing.
1. Title your post 'Range loadout', 'Contractor loadout', 'LE loadout', 'Military combat loadout', '3-gun match loadout', 'Home defense loadout' etc, or whatever best describes how the gear is used.
2. List the items in the photos.
3. Include a brief description of why you made the equipment choices you did and any other info you'd like to include.
Let me start by saying that I am in no way ANY expert in load outs and I’ll take any constructive criticism and I want to apologize in advance if I screw up my terminology. My need/mission is slightly different than the average law enforcement officer. I am a Sergeant for a major Metropolitan Police Department and am currently assigned to an administrative position. But I am consistently put back on regular patrol every six weeks for a week, they call it redeployment. My office is located right in the heart of the city and houses several different city agencies such as parole and probation, Public Housing, DMV, Domestic Dispute Center, etc. In the realm of things, to me, this is a target rich environment. Any city department who is anything of value has an office in here. And the many buildings in the block are also high risk. In this specific building, we have already had an active shooter situation which cost officers their lives. Also, there have been other armed attempts that have been thwarted. I’m not just worrying about me responding to an active shooter situation but actually being at the scene at the time it starts. What I mean, is that I would be working my out than working my way in - or I need to do something from the inside to let others in.
Besides my duty belt, my Department basically doesn’t provide us with anything for active shooter situations (plates/lights/etc). The only thing we have is a rifle (M16A1 converted to single shot) which we received from the 1030 program. Our standard firearm (for patrol) is a Glock 17 with three (3) magazines. Some of our firearms are so old that we don’t even have a rail on it (REAL early Generation Glocks). Luckily, mine does. At first, my load out was fairly simple – my rifle, my Glock, vest (First Choice Armor Level 3A), and a Blackhawk Drop Down Leg Pouch that holds two 30rd PMags and two Glock Magazines. Before, when I was assigned to patrol and started reading/learning on here, I thought my biggest threat was that I was going to drive up on an active shooter situation so I wanted to be able to get out and engage the threat without pulling out a whole bunch of crap. The leg drop down allowed me to do that and didn’t know a damn thing about ballistic plates. I am not a big guy (5’9” 170 lbs) so bulk/weight is a concern for me.
My new assignment made me re-evaluate my situation. My goal was to be able to engage a threat that is occurring in my own workplace and protect myself. I actually walked the building and started thinking about scenarios and what I could come against. I was concerned about doors barricaded/chained, gunfire smoke, fire extinguisher smoke, etc. I’m not one of these guys who eat and sleeps police, we call them “tackleberries”. But, I do think being prepared is important. So, here is my current load out (in addition to previously mentioned):
• SKD Pig Plate Carrier
• (2) 10x12 MSA Paraclete Level III Plates
• (2) 6x6 MSA Paraclete Boron Stealth Side Plates
• (5) 30 rd P-Mags (Federal .223 T22E 55gr Sierra Gameking BTHP) (3 in vest and 2 on drop down)
• Flexcuffs
• (3) Chemlights
• Streamlight TLR-1S Weapon Mounted Light
• Inova T4 LED Flashlight
• O-Light M20 Warrior Flashlight
• 18” Bolt Cutters (Lowes)
• Maxpedition Fight Medical Pouch containing: (2) Quickclots, (1) SWAT – T Tourniquet, (3) 5x9 ABD pads, (2) 3x4 non adherent pads, (2) 4x4 sponges
• Zero Tolerance 350 Folding knife
What I would like to add:
• Hearing/eye protection
door wedges
• Another tourniquet (revamp med kit)
• Thinking about some sort of prybar such as http://www.columbussupply.com/products/?productid=141&price=118
Some people ask why I purchased a back plate and side plates. Since I work in the city, there are a LOT of places someone can just sit and pick off first responders (elevated, etc). Also there is a LOT of different agencies in my area and a some of them are carrying high powered rifles. The training program for our department for using our patrol rifles isn’t the best… Friendly fire can be a bitch and is definitely a concern when everyone and their mother wants to get involved. I see a lot of people getting...uh.."confused" in their mission when they start putting these together. My mission is clear - stop the threat. My medic kit is just meant for me and my team if need be. Im there to clear the way for the real medics to come in.
BTW – I really like the SKD and Ill post something about it later. I dont have anyone here right now to take pics with setup on. But they will come..
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/kawlreaper/loadout/IMG_3615.jpg
Duty belt with Blackhawk drop down
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/kawlreaper/loadout/IMG_3613.jpg
SKD pig plate carrier with plates
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/kawlreaper/loadout/IMG_3612.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/kawlreaper/loadout/IMG_3611.jpg
Im also in the middle of moving the equipment around because Im not too happy with placement. My IFAK is bothering me - I dont think I could get to it easy if Im hurt...
Great post neo, exactly the kind of post this thread was started for. Thanks.
hippieslayer
08-25-10, 13:44
A lot of us in here seem to be preparing for something. This is a thread for informative posts geared towards giving others preparing for disaster ideas as to tactics, gear, supplies etc... Post pics to help give others an idea or to critique your own.
While there are a lot of things to prepare for (Civil unrest, crashed economy etc..), the thing thats the most imminent threat for me is a hurricane Katrina part II. I live on the Gulf Coast of Florida, in a very nice area about 15 miles inland from the Coast and a ten min straight shot drive from an extremely poor area (mostly uneducated migrant workers) with a high crime rate under ideal circumstances. Katrina changed the way I prepare for hurricanes now. There is a good possibility all the low life from surrounding areas will move to my area as most of the poorer areas are low, and prone to flooding, the area where I live is higher, and has a lot of nice houses, walmarts and grocery stores to loot.
In case of a power outage (when Katrina hit LOUISIANA the power in my area was out for two weeks) I plan on using this gear to, stand watch with neighbors in the neighborhood, and keep it in the truck for tansiting to/from the places I fish/hunt or the family property. While in public (such as outside the truck fishing, going to the store etc..) I purchased a Raven Concealment Phantom with Two spare mag pouches and a carrier for my G2. If SHTF around here, I'm goin fishing and hunting for my food if need be.
I set it up as sort of an all in one rig for training and general preparedness. I can throw on the rig and have everything I need right there. Chest Rig is an SKD/Eagle and the pack is an Eagle AIII. (note: I am considering replacing the eagle with a Yote for day long stuff). Its light, and quick to put on. The pack (with water) weighs in at 20 lbs.
Chest Rig:
-6 Primary Mags
-2 Secondary Mags
-CRKT Folder and Surefire G2 (in other secondary mag pouch)
-Basic first aid (left side green pouch)
-Multi tool, spare batteries for light and optic, compass, weapons lube and rag (right side green pouch)
-Maps of my area (internal map pocket)
-Secondary Weapon
Three Day Pack:
Outside Pocket
-IFAK (outside pocket)
Middle Pocket
-Lighter
-Fire Starting (magnesium, small (fake) firestarting sticks, steel wool)
-Weapons Cleaning Kit
-Spare batteries for light, GPS and optic
-Toilet Paper
-Soap/Sanitizer
-Basic eating utensils
-Water purification tablets
-SOG Seal Pup and sharpener
-Pen, Pencil, Paper, Compass, More maps (state and immediate area)
-GPS
-Red/Green glow sticks
-Insect Repellant
-Sunscrean
-Porn
Main Pocket
-Paracord
-Food (Backpacker pantry stuff, peanut butter and some CLIFF bars)
-3L Hydration bladder (in hydration bladder pocket)
-Clean socks/Underwear in ziplock bag.
I hike with the pack often on day and two day hikes, I know I can easily live out of it for two days and have enough supplies to easily go three. I'm also looking at various tomahawks to add to the outside of the pack. I'm eyeballing the SOG version as it seems pretty cost effective and tough.
I also have a walk in pantry full of enough rice, canned goods, dried food and bottled water to last my self and family a month or so eating very well. We have an outdoor kitchen that runs off of propane and we keep several bottles stockpiled. We also have plenty of bottled water and a a well, and a vegetable garden. I also have several thousand rounds of 9mm and 5.56 stockpiled a long with spare parts for weapons.
http://i36.tinypic.com/35iyihc.jpg
hippieslayer
08-25-10, 13:46
While there are a lot of things to prepare for (Civil unrest, crashed economy etc..), the thing thats the most imminent threat for me is a hurricane Katrina part II. I live on the Gulf Coast of Florida, in a very nice area about 15 miles inland from the Coast and a ten min straight shot drive from an extremely poor area (mostly uneducated migrant workers) with a high crime rate under ideal circumstances. Katrina changed the way I prepare for hurricanes now. There is a good possibility all the low life from surrounding areas will move to my area as most of the poorer areas are low, and prone to flooding, the area where I live is higher, and has a lot of nice houses, walmarts and grocery stores to loot.
In case of a power outage (when Katrina hit LOUISIANA the power in my area was out for two weeks) I plan on using this gear to, stand watch with neighbors in the neighborhood, and keep it in the truck for tansiting to/from the places I fish/hunt or the family property. While in public (such as outside the truck fishing, going to the store etc..) I purchased a Raven Concealment Phantom with Two spare mag pouches and a carrier for my G2. If SHTF around here, I'm goin fishing and hunting for my food if need be.
I set it up as sort of an all in one rig for training and general preparedness. I can throw on the rig and have everything I need right there. Chest Rig is an SKD/Eagle and the pack is an Eagle AIII. (note: I am considering replacing the eagle with a Yote for day long stuff). Its light, and quick to put on. The pack (with water) weighs in at 20 lbs.
Chest Rig:
-6 Primary Mags
-2 Secondary Mags
-CRKT Folder and Surefire G2 (in other secondary mag pouch)
-Basic first aid (left side green pouch)
-Multi tool, spare batteries for light and optic, compass, weapons lube and rag (right side green pouch)
-Maps of my area (internal map pocket)
-Secondary Weapon
Three Day Pack:
Outside Pocket
-IFAK (outside pocket)
Middle Pocket
-Lighter
-Fire Starting (magnesium, small (fake) firestarting sticks, steel wool)
-Weapons Cleaning Kit
-Spare batteries for light, GPS and optic
-Toilet Paper
-Soap/Sanitizer
-Basic eating utensils
-Water purification tablets
-SOG Seal Pup and sharpener
-Pen, Pencil, Paper, Compass, More maps (state and immediate area)
-GPS
-Red/Green glow sticks
-Insect Repellant
-Sunscrean
-Porn
Main Pocket
-Paracord
-Food (Backpacker pantry stuff, peanut butter and some CLIFF bars)
-3L Hydration bladder (in hydration bladder pocket)
-Clean socks/Underwear in ziplock bag.
I hike with the pack often on day and two day hikes, I know I can easily live out of it for two days and have enough supplies to easily go three. I'm also looking at various tomahawks to add to the outside of the pack. I'm eyeballing the SOG version as it seems pretty cost effective and tough.
http://i36.tinypic.com/35iyihc.jpg
Nice well thought out set up. You had me laughing with the porn. Hat did you use for the paint job on your gun? It looks great.
hippieslayer
08-25-10, 15:51
Nice well thought out set up. You had me laughing with the porn. Hat did you use for the paint job on your gun? It looks great.
Thanks dude. It's very adaptable. If need be, I can wear the the pistol on the belt with spare mags as well and then I have the ability to carry seven total pistol mags (one in the gun, four on the vest, and two on my belt) with a total of eleven rifle mags (eight on the vest, two on the belt and one in the gun).
For the paint job I used Krylon Camo Paint. Base coat of Tan, then I layed a mesh dive net over the gun and sprayed the brown through it.
Great post neo, exactly the kind of post this thread was started for. Thanks.
Thanks. Today, I decided to do another trial run of my loadout..This time, I was using a building with narrower hallways. Couple things bothered me. SO, I changed it a little..My TT mag pouches are single pouches. I wanted them that way so I had flexibility of moving them around for circumstances like this. I moved one magazine from the front and put it on my left side and moved my IFAK over. If I was down to my last mag, since I have 6, I need to get the hell out of there and regroup! I did this for a couple of reasons: 1) I realized that I didn't like my IFAK right underneath my armpit. 2) If anything happened to me, I wanted to be able to get to it easy! Under my armpit wasn't the best location of it if I was on the ground. I don't have any room for it on my belt. Another thing that I noticed I was missing was spare batteries for my flashlight. They are in there now.
Lemme apologize for the pics - late night and I'm tired. Im wearing my soft armor underneath the carrier. The one thing I did notice when you use sideplates is that you have to get used to drawing your sidearm a little more angled towards the outside. My thumb rubs against the cummerbund. I leave one side attached and un-velcro the other side to don on/off. I forgot to add, that If the dogs and I need to go hunting for someone, I have a Rat Cutlery Mil-3 that comes with me..
I am going to post a little review on the Pig Plate Carrier...BTW - SKD...You guys are ALL RIGHT IN MY BOOK!! (Have any stickers so I can put it on my race bike?!)
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/kawlreaper/loadout/IMG_3621.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/kawlreaper/loadout/IMG_3628.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/kawlreaper/loadout/IMG_3629.jpg
http://i280.photobucket.com/albums/kk197/kawlreaper/loadout/IMG_3627.jpg
Just thinking of my own personal preference here, but your med kit looks huge! Does it get in the way of items on your gun belt? There are definately smaller options out there. I have the Eagle med pouch and I'm thinking of going smaller than that for my active shooter kit. Just a thought :) Good post!
SmokeJumper
08-26-10, 15:20
I'm digging the PIG plate carrier, good post! Does the PIG accept or have soft armor in the cumberbund?
Just thinking of my own personal preference here, but your med kit looks huge! Does it get in the way of items on your gun belt? There are definately smaller options out there. I have the Eagle med pouch and I'm thinking of going smaller than that for my active shooter kit. Just a thought :) Good post!
I was using the bag for my trauma kit for a different reason that had more stuff in it. It is big and I need to find something smaller. Let em know what you wind up buying.
Cummerbund - I believe the cummberbund I use is specific for hard plates but I will check. The carrier is great!
CENTCOM_Survivor
08-30-10, 13:33
My new "raid" vest. This is strictly for working in plain clothes without needing a duty belt. I wanted something I could throw on and have most everything I need on the vest.
PPE soft armor w/speed plate in a PPE carrier, ammo pouches, GP pouch, and radio pouch (this all comes in a bundle package). The cuff case is 511 and the taser pouch is actually for a tourniquet (Tactical Medical Solutions). I have the tourniquet in the GP pouch along with other IFAK items.
Glock 30 in a SERPA (love it or hate it, so far it works fine).
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/8-30-109copy.jpg
kaltesherz
08-31-10, 22:18
CENTCOM, do you plan on adding some hard plates in it or keeping it as is?
Sacrifice72
09-01-10, 22:17
http://s866.photobucket.com/albums/ab225/Sacrifice72/?action=view¤t=P2130003.jpg&newest=1
this is my Eagle Maritime CIRAS I like the vest very comfortable even with SAPI plates and Kevlar 6 mags 2 pistol and a full med kit on the back.
CENTCOM_Survivor
09-02-10, 11:36
CENTCOM, do you plan on adding some hard plates in it or keeping it as is?
I have a PIG carrier for my plates. Normally I wear a BDU type uniform so my plate carrier is setup for that. I have my rifle magazines and a few extra medical supplies on the PIG, everything else is on my belt.
I would have to pull the plates out of the PIG and throw them in this vest if the situation arose. That would be a fairly slow process but it could be done.
I haven't tried the plates in this carrier yet, I guess I need to throw them in there and do some training.
http://i1020.photobucket.com/albums/af328/nicCartel/hawg/IMG_0079.jpg
whoops..
*Paraclete RAV
-level 3 SAPI plates with soft armor
*emdom coyote admin pouch (gerber multi-tool inside)
*paraclete 3 pistol mag pouch
*Eagle double AR pouch
*IFAK pouch
*triple shingle pouch(had to cut one off to accomodate the middle zipper of the cummber bund)
*maxpedition pouch (holds cleaning kit, chemlights,spare BCG)
*Paraclete GP pouch
after many of setups, ive found this to be the best for me thus far. who knows how many more transformations there will be.
The following is a LBT 6094A plate carrier with front and rear SAPI's.
The pistol and rifle mag pouches are both BFG ten speed. BFG's gear has been tested here enough to know its reputation.
The Camelback on the back is ghetto rigged on there with clips and bungee. One of the shoulder straps on the pack got shot and blasted apart. So I cut both of them off and walla. This serves as a hydration source and also where I can store some medical items and scoobey snacks.
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab49/karonispj/LBTPC001.jpg
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab49/karonispj/LBTPC002.jpg
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab49/karonispj/LBTPC003.jpg
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab49/karonispj/LBTPC004.jpg
PJ
This is my Rig that I use for the Army.
EI RRV
Standard Issue Triple Mag Shingle x2
IFAK
5.11 Radio Pouch
Specops brand GP pouch
Standard Issue grenade pouch
Black Hawk Hydrastorm carrier on back
Magpul PMAGS x 4 (working on buying more)
I went with the EI RRV because its a simple yet usefull rig. The standard Issue pouches because they are what I had. (No sence in not using whats free). As for the PMAGs, everyone knows why I have those.
TT MAV w/x-harness
TAG triple mag pouch
12 rnd shotshell pouch
Spectre Gear x3 pistol mag pouch
Nite-ize pouch w/streamlight
mich helmet
TT MAV (http://flic.kr/p/8CUAYt)
TT MAV 2 (http://flic.kr/p/8CXG3j)
about to get a plate carrier for a full load out.
Eurodriver
09-25-10, 15:08
Military Loadout with civilian AR15
http://img26.imageshack.us/img26/1779/upcloseo.jpg
http://img401.imageshack.us/img401/1697/imgp0058i.jpg
Only things missing are my NVG mount and RCO A-bag
First thing I did with the MTV is roll up the "buttstock stop" that attachs via velcro to the inside of the shoulder and slide it into the molle webbing on the shoulders. This lets me put my rifle in exactly the right spot and not so far off as to slip off my arm when firing.
I have a torniquet on my right shoulder, a strap cutter on my chest, along with a speed loader. these have all turned out to be critical tools when deployed and even though a speed loader comes in every bandolier they always seem to end up missing.
I carry 8 mags on my flak and 1 in the rifle. I have toyd with replacing my Abag with another 4 mag pouch but never settled with it.
The grenade pouches are there because in Iraq a few years ago none of us ever expected to be handed M67s. I only had my pouches on my flak to stuff bullshit in like a watch, gloves, etc. But then we got grenades and I saw Marines stuffing them in their cargo pockets. One, I don't like the idea of HE grenades sloshing around in my pockets and two, they make running very painful.
My IFAK is around back as well as my hydration carrier. I can still get to my IFAK but the main idea is that your buddy will be using your ifak on you. So why should it be in the way and right up front? I don't ride in vehicles often so having it at my 4:30/5:00 position works for me.
Of course front and side SAPIs and flame resistant gloves.
CENTCOM_Survivor
10-02-10, 14:48
Picked up the "new" PIG carrier. TACO mag pouches and OSOE tear away med pouch. Pretty basic nothing crazy, but its a big step up from the pre-production "Eagle" model.
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/PIG10-2-108copy.jpg
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/PIG10-2-109copy.jpg
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/PIG10-2-101copy.jpg
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/PIG10-2-106copy.jpg
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/PIG10-2-105copy.jpg
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/PIG10-2-1012copy.jpg
Here's an interesting rig I picked up on Ebay. I know nothing about it other than it's made by Eagle according to the label.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/halo2304/Guns/IMG_0057.jpg
It's smaller than I thought it would be but I found a use for it by using it for the shot gun stage of the 3-gun competitions my range has been doing recently. I bought a 25 round shot shell box and cut and sanded it to hold 10 rounds and fits pretty well in the top pocket. A piece of cardboard raises the shell a little bit to make picking them out a little easier.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/halo2304/Guns/IMG_0058.jpg
The smaller pouch is big enough to hold two double stack mags (a single FN Five seveN mag or four or five single stack mags.)
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/halo2304/Guns/IMG_0059.jpg
There's a "hidden" pocket for holding stuff.
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/halo2304/Guns/IMG_0060.jpg
There are also little tabs of velcro that I'm assuming are for holding wires for ear buds or head phones. (Rock out with your Glock out!)
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/halo2304/Guns/IMG_0061.jpg
Pics added, apologize for taking a bit. Had some camera issues
LE Active shooter/heavy vest
A quick listing:
Condor outdoor modular operator plate carrier
Tactical tailor triple rifle mag
Tactical tailor triple pistol mag
SOF-T tourniquet
US Army IFAK
5.11 possibly (honestly don't remember), single pistol mag pouch
Otis Tech. Soldiers cleaning kit
Tactical Tailor / Source 3L bladder and cover
Blackhawk radio pouch
Blackhawk medical pouch
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1121/5150370234_0559bc0ccc_b.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1374/5149762045_8435b080b9_b.jpg
http://farm2.static.flickr.com/1349/5150371066_bd71e90800_b.jpg
Thoughts
I originally had a warbag, 2 AR mags, extra shotgun shells, GSW's etc. It was big, it was bulky, and it's sucked to run with. It also didn't provide any additional ballistic protection. In the last couple of years we've had 2 subjects with assault rifles (AK's in both cases) actively fire at officers. We've also had another couple do so with regular hunting style rifles in the same time frame. Top that with at least 2 more subjects shooting at civilians with assault rifles (AK and an SKS), and it was time to get some plates.
Currently I'm running steel 10"x12" level III stand alone plates. This goes over my normal soft IIIA vest so the stand alone feature wasn't necessary but it's nice to have for the range when I might go without the soft vest. I would have preferred ceramic due to it's lower ricochet potential, but at half the price it's not a huge deal. I'm about to experiment in coating a spare plate with rhino line and seeing what that does in terms of spalling. A lot of people make a big deal about the weight of steel plates, but it's only 2 lbs extra per plate when you look at standalone plates. I'm debating getting side rifle plates as well, both for the ballistic protection and the added rigidity that they would provide the cummerbund. I'd like to go back to running my pistol off my vest, but the cummerbund has got to be more rigid for it to work well.
I run two mags of rifle duty ammo and one of bonded stuff for barriers on vest. Several of our OIS have involved vehicles and our issue duty rifle round is basically a varmint bullet. On sheet metal or auto glass it doesn't do real well. I'm currently debating adding a LBT triple mag map pocket insert to double my loadout. I can always drop it off if I don't need it (perimeter, etc.), but it'd be handy to have the extra ammo. We've gotten some intel/AAR's from things happening on the Mexican side of the border and serious sustained engagements are not out of the question. The triple pistol mag pouch has one mag which stays staged in it, the other two off my duty belt get moved here when the vest goes on. It's much more accessible and easier to load from then my belt pouches are when wearing my vest.
The surplus US Army IFAK was a steal of a deal. The quick clot was out of date when I picked it up, but other then that everything was in good shape. I've added vasaline gauze and another pair of trauma shears to it. With it I've got two tourniquets which gives me a warm fuzzy. All my guys know that it's my "use on me" kit if I'm hit, and it's pretty distinctive to look in for medical gear if I can't tell someone which one to look in. It may look a bit to the right side of the vest, but I can reach it with both strong and support hand to provide self aide it need be.
For the radio pouch, my Motorola get's pulled off my belt and tossed in here and the mic clipped to the front. I can reach my radio back here to adjust it as need no problem. If I left it on my duty belt it would be impossible to reach to adjust, as it would sit under the left side of the cummerbund, and the mic would be also be inaccessible under the vest.
The Blackhawk med pouch is packed with a GSW kit, and general booboo stuff as well. This is my treat everybody else pouch, or to deal with minor stuff if on the range, working perimeter, etc. It's set up on the left side, as I'm not worried about needing to use strong/support only to access it if I'm treating someone else.
Just a word of advice to anyone whose vest is for active shooter/SHTF, practice getting it on and ready to go. This is doubly important in an active shooter context, every fifteen seconds is another body. I've gone from 2 minutes to less then 45 seconds to get it on, loaded, and ready to fight.
-Jenrick
Thanks. Today, I decided to do another trial run of my loadout..This time, I was using a building with narrower hallways. Couple things bothered me. SO, I changed it a little..My TT mag pouches are single pouches. I wanted them that way so I had flexibility of moving them around for circumstances like this. I moved one magazine from the front and put it on my left side and moved my IFAK over. If I was down to my last mag, since I have 6, I need to get the hell out of there and regroup! I did this for a couple of reasons: 1) I realized that I didn't like my IFAK right underneath my armpit. 2) If anything happened to me, I wanted to be able to get to it easy! Under my armpit wasn't the best location of it if I was on the ground. I don't have any room for it on my belt. Another thing that I noticed I was missing was spare batteries for my flashlight. They are in there now.
Lemme apologize for the pics - late night and I'm tired. Im wearing my soft armor underneath the carrier. The one thing I did notice when you use sideplates is that you have to get used to drawing your sidearm a little more angled towards the outside. My thumb rubs against the cummerbund. I leave one side attached and un-velcro the other side to don on/off. I forgot to add, that If the dogs and I need to go hunting for someone, I have a Rat Cutlery Mil-3 that comes with me..
I am going to post a little review on the Pig Plate Carrier...BTW - SKD...You guys are ALL RIGHT IN MY BOOK!! (Have any stickers so I can put it on my race bike?!)
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I have to say, that the leg rig looks like it really screws up your duty belt, at least in my view it looks like you have had to change stuff around to deal w/ it.
I use the female end of a QD buckle on my trouser belt ot attach a thigh rig w/ two mags. this enables me to set up my duty belt in a manner that benefits me in my everyday activites and doesn't require me to alter the arrangement of my gear to accomodate it.
I can just grab my thigh rig and go do battle.
I have to say, that the leg rig looks like it really screws up your duty belt, at least in my view it looks like you have had to change stuff around to deal w/ it.
I use the female end of a QD buckle on my trouser belt ot attach a thigh rig w/ two mags. this enables me to set up my duty belt in a manner that benefits me in my everyday activites and doesn't require me to alter the arrangement of my gear to accomodate it.
I can just grab my thigh rig and go do battle.
Our G.O. dictates where our stuff goes on the belt. But since the leg rig is new to us, they haven't mentioned anything. I want to put a QD in b ut just haven't done it yet. I just threw I together for the photo.
I don't see that the drop leg is messing up the duty belt, as my pouches that have been at those locations did the same tilt. My subload was worn under the duty belt for a couple of other reasons though, to include comfort.
LowSpeed_HighDrag
11-27-10, 21:33
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f198/glockfire/DSC01031.jpg
My civi rig. A Blue Force Gear 10 Speed. Holds 6 Mags and goes on quickly. Behind it is my battle belt with 2 AR mag holders, 2 glock pistol mag holders and a drop pouch. I wear this over my G19 on my belt. Its simple, lightweight, and easy.
The one thing I did notice when you use sideplates is that you have to get used to drawing your sidearm a little more angled towards the outside. My thumb rubs against the cummerbund.
Not sure if you've considered it but you can drop your holster 1.5" with the Safariland 6075 adapter, third one down on this page: http://www.copquest.com/23-2400.htm#Safariland_6070_Mid-Ride_Belt_Loop_Adapter_-_UBL_Style
Paramedico138
12-04-10, 20:45
http://c3.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/120/l_d55e51e98ac14cedbc7a7e8a02c90662.jpg
http://c2.ac-images.myspacecdn.com/images02/146/l_10a79936e0f44185b61b55efa1b58c89.jpg
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TAG chest rig
mixture of TT and TAG pouches
Gerber LMF II
HK USP 40
black hawk serpa
marconi h455 radio coms and head set
blow out kit
LowSpeed_HighDrag
12-07-10, 22:02
Paramedico,
How do you like having your USP high on your chest? Ive been toying with throwing my G19 on my Eagle in that fashion but Im just not sure.
Paramedico138
12-09-10, 00:57
Paramedico,
How do you like having your USP high on your chest? Ive been toying with throwing my G19 on my Eagle in that fashion but Im just not sure.
It takes practice on the draw but I like it I can let go of my carbine and my hand is naturally already there to draw my usp so it defiantly shortens my draw process.. I also carry my 1911 on my belt so depending on the position or situation I'm in I can allways draw a secondary weapon.. I played around with placement on my chest rig and that felt most natural.. Hope this helps
LowSpeed_HighDrag
12-18-10, 12:24
Just updated the gear load-out. I'd like to replace all the pouches with the single/single's from TAG as I really like them. The PC is an Eagle, Plates are CD. This is my GP load-out and closely mimics my MIL load-out.
http://i47.photobucket.com/albums/f198/glockfire/DSC01097.jpg
here we go. re-configured, again. thanks to the good sir who switched emdom admin pouches with me on this forum. pics arent of the best quality as all i have is a small canon digital camera. gets the job done though.
the paraclete vest, tho not to popular on this forum, is a pretty well built vest despite the fact that it can get a little hot in the summer but not too bad, but keeps you warm in the winter hah, and can be bulky if loaded to the gills hah.. IFAK pouch needs a couple key ingredients (quick clot, CAT). works out that i can also stuff a little 20rnd mag in the front little pouch. overall i this setup. feel free to share your thoughts, criticize, i would love some input on it.
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Fried Chicken Blowout
12-21-10, 17:20
What is the brush used for?
Does the admin pouch get in the way of your pistol draw?
Looks like you've got everything covered and then some...
i wear my pistol on my belt, the draw clears the admin pouch quite well. the ifak pouch however was a little tricky getting around but with a little practice im now able to draw quite efficiently.
the brush is just used to get any dirt,sand, or dust out of my rifle.
Do you run a drop or thigh rig for your pistol? I had my IFAK in the same place initially and couldn't get it to work without going to a thigh rig. Ended up moving my IFAK.
-Jenrick
Picked up the "new" PIG carrier. TACO mag pouches and OSOE tear away med pouch. Pretty basic nothing crazy, but its a big step up from the pre-production "Eagle" model.
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/PIG10-2-108copy.jpg
http://i837.photobucket.com/albums/zz293/CENTCOM_Survivor/Tac%20Gear/PIG10-2-109copy.jpg
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I really like your set up sir.
I really like your set up sir.
I like your tear away pouch. Was thinking of that one or the ATS pouch
J8127,
What reservoir do you put in the emdom pouch? Dig the kit - I run my AWFAPC pretty similar.
That particular Emdom carrier takes a 2 liter pouch and is shorter/wider than the standard 3 liter (doesn't hang past the bottom of your vest or look like a saggy mess).
Tactical Tailor actually had some, I'm not really sure what they are specifically, I just know they are 2 liters (70oz).
My general purpose kit:
http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo84/409CISecondGen/9d264ec3.jpg
http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo84/409CISecondGen/34008736.jpg
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Soft Kevlar and Plates
Room for 8 mags, general purpose pouch(SAW ammo pouch), Med Pouch(ACU), Axe(on back)
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/patrickscott_vt/DSC01232.jpg
http://i201.photobucket.com/albums/aa197/patrickscott_vt/DSC01234.jpg
The Gear:
DBT FAPC Gen II
DBT pouch zipper add-on
Leatherman MUT
SOF-T
BFG tq strap, double M4, double pistol
Ares Gear Ranger
G19/ Warren night sights
SF E2L
CompTac CTAC
CompTac mag/light holder
modified TT patch panel, US flag, Death Mechanic
ATS Med pouch-small(gloves, 2x H and H comp, 14ga. needle, Tk4, SWAT-T,duct tape, NPA,4" control wrap, 4" Olaes, 2 sm zipties, 2 safety pins, surgi-lube, alcohol prep pad)
550 cord
Why this gear:
Bare plate carrier was given to me
The MUT is really handy for all sorts of things including gun tinkering when needed.
SOF-T/BFG strap: Heard good things about this TQ, really easy to use,sturdy, BFG puts it where both hands can get it.
BFG mag pouches are small light and work really well for me, no extra bulk.
Ranger belts are the heat, I don't feel the need to explain
G19: Again no need to explain
CompTac gear has always worked well for me, sturdy and comfortable. I do have a RCS on the way to try out as well.
Patch panel, yep just for CDI factor. I am a mechanic that "fixes things to death" so that patch works for me.
ATS med pouch is small and I can tear it off with either hand.
Why this "system":
As a civi I'm betting light,slim and fast is the way to go. Three primary and four secondary mags "should" be plenty. I can not imagine a situation where that many rounds would be too few to solve any problem "I" would encounter at home or in training. Really, its probably over-kill. The idea of the main TQ being easy to get with both hands just makes sense, same for the MUT to fix little things when needed.
No armor yet, still shopping. Grey Group may be getting some $$ from me in that dept. Just running big kydex panels to stiffen it up.
I think that's it and I hope I stayed true to the spirit of the thread. On a side note I would not even have a system put together if the PC had not been given to me, Id be running downstairs with mags stuffed in my boxers and not much else, but since I like to train how I might fight this is a little more friendly in public.
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aftermath686
01-31-11, 23:56
I don't post on this forum often, but posted this on another forum and was asked to put it up here as well.
My current training loadout is as follows. I say current delicately as my kit is constantly evolving.
Starting from head to toe, first up is my kevlar. It is an LWH with Ops-Core VAS Shroud, Oregon Aero BLSS Kit, Surefire Helmet light, and MS2000 attached with Velcro. The helmet was a cost effective solution to having personal head protection and a platform for NVGs. That said, my very next large purchase will be an Ops-Core FAST helmet. Having tried out my buddies, there is absolutely no comparison in comfort. I thought that my current setup was decent (decent being not such a horrible headache at the end of a day...) but the FAST is leaps and bounds ahead anything else I have tried. Side note for those who may be wondering: I run Peltor Soundtraps under the LWH by removing the top large circular pad from the helmet. They do fit, but it is tight and the primary reason for discomfort especially when used with eye-pro.
http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL1137/3895841/23669348/394873496.jpg
Next up is my SPC. I wanted to keep the front one mag shingle thick, to aid in overall maneuverability, and shooting in the prone. Also wanted to keep the right side as slick as possible for ease of draw.
Armor:
- Medium E-SAPIs front and rear
- PACA soft armor inserts in the cummerbund
- SPC's come with sewn in soft armor front and rear
Pouches (starting top to bottom left to right):
- MSM Patch Panel w/ Write in the rain pad
- Blue Force Gear Tourniquet NOW with CAT
- Surefire V70 with 6P/G2 abortion (going to upgrade to a 6PX Tactical)
- Tactical Tailor triple shingle with modified Esstac Kydex inserts. The inserts were cut down width wise, and height wise on the side towards the PC. This was done to lesson retention as I have found when they are inserted in non-Esstac pouches the retention is FAR too much. The why: I strongly prefer to run my pouches open-top and always discard the elastic retention straps. Reason being is mostly due to speed, but also retention straps can make tactical-reloads quite tricky. The TT triple shingle is a bit loose to begin with, which might have been crucial in getting the Esstac inserts to work. Due to the looseness and lack of retention straps, sometimes diving prone I would lose a mag or two. I was actually running the TT triple shingle for quite a while and had the Esstac inserts just lying around waiting to go in my Boar. Having both components on hand, I thought I would see if I could make them work. If I didn't have either I would definitely just go straight to buying the Esstac Pouch/inserts. All things considered, I am extremely happy with my setup as I have dialed in the pouches to the exact retention levels I want. For example my go-to pouch for speed reloads has a bit less retention than the other two...
- Tactical Tailor single shingle
- TAG double Universal Pistol Mag Enhanced pouch. My personal favorite pistol mag pouch (so far), uses elastic + magnets for retention. Open top, so speed reloads are fast, yet retention is plenty strong to retain mags during rigorous activities. Tac-reloads are also easy as the pouches don't completely close up when empty.
- Fight and Flight Tactical Sustainment pouch w/ Source bladder. This thing is perfect height for the shorter PCs, good quality and a great price. Only gripe is it doesn't come with a hydration port or bladder hanger. My carrier was modified by So-Tech who installed a large black grommet to route my hydration hose through, forgot to get a hanger sewn in...
Front
http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL1137/3895841/23669348/394873491.jpg
Left
http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL1137/3895841/23669348/394873490.jpg
Right
http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL1137/3895841/23669348/394873487.jpg
Back
http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL1137/3895841/23669348/394873488.jpg
Belt kit: (I had a few modifications done that are covered HERE. ) (http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9046084761/m/55120226563)
- ATS War belt
- 215 Gear Ultimate Riggers Belt as an inner belt
- Benchmade Model 7 Rescue Hook
- TAG double Universal Pistol Mag Enhanced pouch
- Blue Force Gear Ten-Speed SSE pouch. I personally don't train on dump pouches, but do know that having one can prove to be very useful if not vital for other tasks beyond just magazines. The BFG Ten-Speed SSE fills that niche perfectly for me, by being completely out of the way most of the time but there when I need it. The slim profile of the pouch is crucial as I need to access my IFAK, and other pouches such as Rolly-Pollys inhibit this.
- ICE Tactical Detachable Belt Mounted IFAK mounted at the 6 o'clock. I had some Velcro added to the rear of the pouch for various patches. Contents include: HALO Chest Seal, 4 inch OALES bandage, SWAT-T Tourniquet, 15g Celox, Kerlix Gauze, NPA + Lube, Nitrile Gloves. The why: I personally keep "prime real-estate" for gear that is keeping me IN the fight. That primarily entails my mags. After mags, I have a flashlight and tourniquet because I feel they are both essential yet, small enough to not be in the way at all. Past the right of my Tourniquet I will not mount ANYTHING, as I don't want to even chance having a hang-up when drawing my secondary. Where the MSM patch panel sits would NOT be an option for an IFAK as my stock rests pretty much on-top of that and I do train ambidextrously often, so pushing it to one side wouldn't work for me. The patch panel is so flat that I barely even notice it's there, especially with my write in the rain pad that I have torn out about half the pages from and hammered the bindings to make them thinner. (Yes I am weird, perhaps a bit OCD, but I like my kit as good as I can get it...) Mounting my IFAK to the left of my pistol mag pouch on my SPC would also not be a viable option as it would be extremely difficult, if not impossible, to access. All in all, I look at my IFAK as a piece of kit that I only need when I am OUT of the fight. Therefore, to me, it is not worth sacrificing "prime real-estate" on the front of my kit for. There is also a benefit to having it directly at my 6 o'clock, and that is that I can easily access the pouch with both hands. That way if I am injured on one arm the other arm can still access the pouch. Everything is a compromise, and my way is just what works for me. The setup will most likely change when a better way comes along; as I said before my gear setup is constantly evolving.
- Safariland 6004 for M&P.45 w/x300 w/ Strider EB-AC attached in kydex sheath
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My chest rig for when I need to run lighter/cooler:
- Esstac Bush Boar
- ATS CLAP w/ write in the rain pad, pens, pencil, sharpies, etc.
- ATS triple shingle
- Spec-Ops Brand double pistol mag pouch
http://pic100.picturetrail.com/VOL1137/3895841/23669348/394873494.jpg
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eagle industries maritime ciras with my boomstick after adding some pouches... more accessories on the way !!
Here's my latest...for now:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/halo2304/Guns/IMG_0147A.jpg
Eagle Plate Carrier (no cummerbund)
5.11 AR double and singe pouches
5.11 double pistol pouches
Condor ID carrier (cheap, but gets the job done)
On my belt, I'll have my pistol, an extra mag or two and a dump pouch.
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Blackhawk plate carrier
Winkler Knives R & D Spiked tomahawk.
511 tactical boots
Kevlar helmet
ACCUMOLD DUTY BELT
Safari land leg holster
Omega drop leg gas mask pouch
Surviair Gasmask
2 cs gas canister
1 cs gas grenade
Pair of Hatch operator shortys gloves.
Satellite Com. Radio.
Hands Free set.
Mini first aid kit in a Maxpedition pouch
Blackhawk Special Operations Goggles
Gerber multi tool
Mizar Monocular
Sure Fire leads flashlight
Spear batteries
Lighter
Smith & Wesson handcuffs
Winkler Knives II Belt knife
Victorinox wrist watch whit compass
3 seventeen round Glock factory magazines
2 thirty one round Glock factory magazines
1 twenty round Glock modified magazine
5 30 round H&K factory magazines
Glock 17 whit and M3 Tactical Weapon Light
H&K MP5 whit a CAA vertical grip
Hatch knee and elbow pads
Guys, I think we're getting a little off track. This isn't just a picture thread. Pics are good, lists of what's in the pic are better, but we're supposed to be including the why and the how along with the what. Without it the thread is pretty useless.
1. Title your post 'Range loadout', 'Contractor loadout', 'LE loadout', 'Military combat loadout', '3-gun match loadout', 'Home defense loadout' etc, or whatever best describes how the gear is used.
2. List the items in the photos.
3. Include a brief description of why you made the equipment choices you did and any other info you'd like to include.
Here's my latest...for now:
http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e309/halo2304/Guns/IMG_0147A.jpg
Eagle Plate Carrier (no cummerbund)
5.11 AR double and singe pouches
5.11 double pistol pouches
Condor ID carrier (cheap, but gets the job done)
On my belt, I'll have my pistol, an extra mag or two and a dump pouch.
Sorry Rob, had a long day yesterday and forgot to add the "why."
Since I'm a civilian, I don't really need body armor so it's going onto my wish list. If I see a deal on plates, I'll pick some up, but I'm going to concentrate on getting a few other things first.
This is my new 3-Gun rig. I have the AR pouches located fairly centered and a little of to the left since I'll be grabbing them with my support (left) hand. I'm only using the 5.11 mag pouches for now until I can decide on what to replace them with. They work, but I might get a Tactical Tailor triple mag pouch. I debated on whether I should carry two, three or four AR mags. The two 3-Gun shoots I've done have all been relatively low round counts for the rifle. I could get away with two full mags, total. I decided on three because the only thing worse than carrying too much ammo, is not having enough! What I might try doing is loading random amounts of ammo in each mag so I have to do speed reloads.
The double pistol mag pouch is the only one I have. I have a single from Blackhawk! but I don't really care too much for the design. I may use it for carrying a knife or something. I'll need to get a double pistol mag pouch for my belt as I only have a single mag holder (Com-tac kydex.) I typically need to carry more rounds for the pistol on account of the damn dueling trees!
I haven't figured out what to do about the shotgun rounds. I may carry them on my belt just in front of my pistol, but I've got plenty of real estate on my plate carrier. I've thought about getting one of those Loadmasters for my 590. Despite the ugly, they certainly appear to be worth considering.
I'm planning on adding a Maxpedition Fugly to carry a few small tools and items like ear plugs. The Condor ID panel will be moved to the back and I'd like to get a patch showing my RSO status. I may even add a hydration pouch but we'll see.
I'm really looking forward to trying it out on the range and seeing just how I like the layout and the plate carrier itself. So far, it's okay. The side straps seem to loosen up every time I take it off. I've got a fix in mind that will hopefully fix it. Also, the rear half seems to leave most of my kidneys exposed. Maybe it just needs adjusting...or a ceramic plate in it to level it off. ;)
BTW, I'll have a dump pouch on my belt along with my pistol and two pistol mags.
mcmillanman5
02-07-11, 22:50
What is the purpose for the carabiners that people have hooked on their rigs?
I always had one to hook my GPS lanyard in. That way if I needed to hand the GPS to a teammate, it was easy to take off instead of untying the lanyard from the MOLLE webbing or other anchor point.
What is the purpose for the carabiners that people have hooked on their rigs?
They come in handy for all kinds of things. I have them for hanging my digital camera, ear pro, timers, all sorts of things.
If you're attaching to MOLLE, the product you're seeing in a lot of the photos is the ITW Grimlock (http://www.itwmilitaryproducts.com/products/grimloc) which works great because it locks shut.
mcmillanman5
02-08-11, 23:45
Thanks for the replies, sounds like they could be handy.
This was a rig I had put together for clandestine reconnaissance missions. The plates are inside pouches on a modified Point Blank soft armor carrier with soft armor. The base rig is an Eagle RRV, with the chest panel unbuttoned and folded down.
Pouches R to L:
Med Kit
MBITR
Smoke
2 Frags
GPS
6 M4 Mags
https://www.m4carbine.net/attachment.php?attachmentid=7374&d=1297372912
A HSGI 12 Round 40mm bandoleer is attached to the bottom (I never put more than 6 in it unless it was on my pack), and I used the velcro pouch in the RRV for maps.
IZinterrogator
02-10-11, 15:28
If you're attaching to MOLLE, the product you're seeing in a lot of the photos is the ITW Grimlock (http://www.itwmilitaryproducts.com/products/grimloc) which works great because it locks shut.I'm not so confident in its ability to lock shut. I told one of my troops once to move the lanyard on his NVGs from a Grimlock to his MOLLE loops because the Grimlock wasn't secure enough for my taste. He didn't and sure enough, he lost his NVGs out on a mission at JRTC. A role player returned them to us, fortunately. When the company commander and I called him on the carpet for an ass-chewing and he gave the "it locks shut" excuse, the CO grabbed the lanyard and yanked, ripping open the Grimlock like it wasn't there.
kaltesherz
02-10-11, 16:54
I'm not so confident in its ability to lock shut. I told one of my troops once to move the lanyard on his NVGs from a Grimlock to his MOLLE loops because the Grimlock wasn't secure enough for my taste. He didn't and sure enough, he lost his NVGs out on a mission at JRTC. A role player returned them to us, fortunately. When the company commander and I called him on the carpet for an ass-chewing and he gave the "it locks shut" excuse, the CO grabbed the lanyard and yanked, ripping open the Grimlock like it wasn't there.
IIRC Grimlocks are designed to "give" under pressure, I would never use them to secure NODS or anything even close to SI. In fact I only remember using them to secure my camelbak to my ruck, and even then used several.
I used a small carbiner for the PVS-14s and 2 medium carbiners on my IOTV to secure my commo cord/PTT box to my chest on mounted missions.
Yep per the manufactures website the grimlock features a "breakaway" feature. Honestly a good high end locking carabiner is not that expensive or heavy, and will hold anything you want to hook to it.
-Jenrick
I hang my gloves or goggles on carabiners.
Here's my PC setup. It is for HD, range and geared toward low level pistol threat. I'm keeping it light, simple, handy and quick to don/doff.
Please keep this spot for my full write up.
Front:
DBT FAPCII - Coyote Tan - Large
BDS Tactical basic admin pouch - MC
TT Triple M4 Mag shingle - MC
Back:
TAG Small 50oz Hydration Pouch - MC
Armor:
10x12 Level IIIA Soft Armor panels, front and back
http://i.imgur.com/dnT7A.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/9GzAP.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/NqyMR.jpg
http://i.imgur.com/qSCJc.jpg
kaltesherz
02-20-11, 15:22
I found that my setup was a little impractical and decided to downgrade it a bit for increased mobility. Switched out the SO Tech IFAK for an HSGI Blowout/Bleeder pouch as it's smaller isn't nearly as bulky. Contains the bare minimum: an Israeli and pressure bandage, trauma sheers, and some latex gloves so I don't get any cooties. I also moved it to my non-dominate side as I freed that up by ditching the BFG Ten Speed Triple pouch. I did add a TT Single Mag pouch so that I have one speed reload available. I also moved my pistol mag pouches down and more central, which combined with slightly longer Glock 17 mags with Magpul Speedplates make for much easier secondary reloads, yet still don't get in the way of primary reloads.
http://i165.photobucket.com/albums/u64/kaltesherz/044-1.jpg
Facejackets
02-22-11, 01:18
I'm not sure if you can call this a "load out" at all. But I plan on using this for training classes and on the range, I just bought it today so I haven't gotten a chance to try it out. I'm merely a civilian, so no hardcore use for me.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y50/MrMetalHFFK/IMG_20110221_205708.jpg
Face, How about what it is and why you chose it? It looks like a sub-load.
Tactical Tailor 2 piece MAV with x-harness:
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9303/lbe1.jpg
Left to right:
TT 3 mag shingle
fast mag gen III
TT 2 mag pistol pouch
Ka-Bar Fin 5555
TT roll-up dump bag
Camelbak Thermobak AB
TT Utility Pouch
TT 1911 holster
Gutshot John
02-26-11, 15:08
http://img836.imageshack.us/img836/9303/lbe1.jpg
Can I ask how you attached that camelbak?
Can I ask how you attached that camelbak?
Thats the Thermobak ArmorBak, so it has clips at the bottom that attach to the middle row of molle on the mav and a strap at the middle(for putting pressure on the bladder) that has buckles to the bottom row of molle on the x harness. Last, the handle on the camelbak and the the handle on the xharness line up exactly. So, i used zip ties going through the stiching at the base of the 2 handles. It's very secure with 6 attachment points at top,mid, and bottom. I can take it off pretty easy and reattach with spare zip ties in my utility pouch.
You can see what i'm talking about here & here:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U6LKZL4LktQ
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KchZeRxc-W8
billdoodoo
02-27-11, 15:16
^did the KA-BAR's sheath have a molle attachment?
What mag pouches are these?
My general purpose kit:
http://i364.photobucket.com/albums/oo84/409CISecondGen/9d264ec3.jpg
GLOCKMASTER
03-01-11, 20:40
I recently purchased some new kit and I thought I would share pictures of it. The new carrier is an SKD PIG and I chose this carrier because of the quality of the carrier and the great reviews it has been receiving. It's carrying Protech 2120 Stand Alone Level III plates. The mag pouches are Eagle FB pouches which are some of the best in the industry hence why I chose them. The larger first aid kit is an ATS small med pouch and the smaller pouch on the left side is a Blue Force Gear BooBoo pouch. I put a boo boo pouch on the carrier so I could put small first aid items in it so I wouldn't have to dig through my larger kit. The knife is a Strider DB-L in a kydex sheath that is velcroed in a pocket on the carrier. Tourniquet carrier is made by BFG and I chose it because of it's quality and versatility. The back of the carrier is slick.
I just spent four days in a shoot house with this kit and I will have to say that it exceeded my expectations. The only changes I plan on making with the carrier is adding a small hydration carrier on the back.
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/STR8SHTER/BodyArmor1/BodyArmor046.jpg
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/STR8SHTER/BodyArmor1/BodyArmor048.jpg
I recently purchased some new kit and I thought I would share pictures of it. ......
I like the simplicity in your setup. Are you going to wear soft armor in your cummerbund?
I'm wondering if you've run this with that tourniquet on there because it looks like your tourniquet is blocking access to your first rifle mag.
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/STR8SHTER/BodyArmor1/BodyArmor048.jpg
I'm wondering if you've run this with that tourniquet on there because it looks like your tourniquet is blocking access to your first rifle mag.
I'm willing to bet that his first mag comes from a belt mounted pouch. I would also bet that when he's wearing it, the mag sticks out farther than the tourniquet.
...and if you read his post, he stated he spent 4 days in a shoot house with this setup.
this is my range/home defense/SHTF rig,
running lvl 4 plates in this:
Shellback Tactical Banshee rifle plate carrier
TAG x6 mag
Specter Gear x3 pistol mag
Tourniquet
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v59/domiho/CIMG4309.jpg
GLOCKMASTER
03-02-11, 18:16
I like the simplicity in your setup. Are you going to wear soft armor in your cummerbund?
Eventually with some rifle plates.
GLOCKMASTER
03-02-11, 18:23
I'm wondering if you've run this with that tourniquet on there because it looks like your tourniquet is blocking access to your first rifle mag.
I'm willing to bet that his first mag comes from a belt mounted pouch. I would also bet that when he's wearing it, the mag sticks out farther than the tourniquet.
...and if you read his post, he stated he spent 4 days in a shoot house with this setup.
Dave is pretty much right with all of his points to include the last part. I usually conduct tactical reloads with a mag from the belt and the emergency reloads come off the carrier.
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/STR8SHTER/shoothouse1.jpg
Thanks! Would love to see your first line also.
GLOCKMASTER
03-03-11, 18:31
Thanks! Would love to see your first line also.
It's a CTOMS X-Belt PS. (http://www.ctoms.ca/07/equipment/detail.php?product_id=11)I'm actually getting ready to trim it down to just the pistol and dump pouch. Also in the future I will probably use a smaller and lighter belt.
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/STR8SHTER/DSC_0169.jpg
Now that I know who is who and what is what and who wS where, I am really sorry I missed that class.
I recently purchased some new kit and I thought I would share pictures of it. The new carrier is an SKD PIG and I chose this carrier because of the quality of the carrier and the great reviews it has been receiving. It's carrying Protech 2120 Stand Alone Level III plates. The mag pouches are Eagle FB pouches which are some of the best in the industry hence why I chose them. The larger first aid kit is an ATS small med pouch and the smaller pouch on the left side is a Blue Force Gear BooBoo pouch. I put a boo boo pouch on the carrier so I could put small first aid items in it so I wouldn't have to dig through my larger kit. The knife is a Strider DB-L in a kydex sheath that is velcroed in a pocket on the carrier. Tourniquet carrier is made by BFG and I chose it because of it's quality and versatility. The back of the carrier is slick.
I just spent four days in a shoot house with this kit and I will have to say that it exceeded my expectations. The only changes I plan on making with the carrier is adding a small hydration carrier on the back.
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/STR8SHTER/BodyArmor1/BodyArmor046.jpg
http://i336.photobucket.com/albums/n355/STR8SHTER/BodyArmor1/BodyArmor048.jpg
GLOCKMASTER
03-03-11, 19:04
Now that I know who is who and what is what and who wS where, I am really sorry I missed that class.
Rob you missed a good one. There will be another class probably in September at the same facility.
My current setup:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/laninga66/LWPCnBeltkit5.jpg
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/laninga66/LWPCnBeltkit3.jpg
Velocity Systems LWPC:
I have been wearing the VS LWPC for four months straight on a daily basis. My requirement for this vest was that I need it to be low profile. The vest needed to be able to carry extra gear while still maintaining a low signature underneath a cover shirt. The quality of the vest is top notch however, I’m not a big fan of the massive amounts of Velcro used for the attachment of the cummerbund in the front and back. Cummerbund size selection is very important when ordering this vest. Grey Group had to order me another cummerbund in a smaller size.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/laninga66/LWPCnBeltkit4.jpg
10-Speed Dual Mag Pouch:
These pouches are the f$ckin heat. I started using two Tactical Tailor Single Mag Shingles and those also worked great but the Malice clips hung down below the cummerbund and would dig into my side while riding in a vehicle. The best part about using the BFG 10-Speed pouches is that when empty they lay flat. This allows me to utilize the option to throw on a chest rig with a heavier fighting load without having to remove the mag pouches or switch out cummerbunds. The mags are held securely but also come out easily.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/laninga66/LWPCnBeltkit6.jpg
Med Gear:
I have two C.A.T. tourniquets(Gen 2) strapped to the cummerbund on my strong side for easy access by both hands and I still maintain my low profile. The LWPC has a small “Admin” pouch with an opening at the top of vest by your neck area. I keep on packet of Quick Clot Gauze in there (you can never have enough of that shit laying around). I keep more med gear in my HSGI Bleeder Pouch and in my go-bag.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/laninga66/1stlineRtside.jpg
Other Gear/Tools:
I keep a small red-lens LED light clipped on the front for obvious reasons. I also keep a Benchmade Nim Cub II on the front which is a great lightweight fixed-blade knife. The Nim Cub II comes with a sheath that is a complete piece of shit so I ordered a custom Kydex sheath made by Survival Sheath Systems. It’s a good quality sheath but the maker told me it would take two weeks when it actually took two months. I also keep a Multitasker Tube tool on this vest at all times. This tool is awesome because it’s lightweight, low profile, and very versatile. The ability to use ¼ bits of any brand/type is amazing unlike Leatherman which requires you to purchase their own proprietary bits. A Tube should be in everyone’s “tactical tool kit”. There is also a Black Sharpie in the MOLLE on the cummerbund for various uses. I keep a strip of Velcro on the back of my cell phone so I always have it in reach and not buried in a pocket. The Industrial Strength Velcro (hook side) is great, it doesn’t attach to everything in sight and does not have that scratchy feeling. My VCAS sling has caught the phone a few times never tearing it all the way off. It’s a solid connection. They are not show, but if I go out at night I have NODs/IR/Flashlights/Weapon lights.
Armor:
DBT Plate Backers with either DBT Steel Plates or Ceradyne Multi-hit Plates.
My belt rig*:
(*Threaded on the belt in order but only to display what’s on the belt)
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/laninga66/LWPCnBeltkit2.jpg
Belt: Galco Cop Belt 1.5”. I use it because it works, it’s comfortable, and I would never repel from any belt.
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/laninga66/1stlineLftSide.jpg
Holster: Kaluban Cloak is a quality holster, but I don’t love it enough to deal with their shitty customer service ever again. I have orders in with Personal Security Systems right now because Steve Stamper is a great American who has a pretty good handle on things (he will also help expedite products to dudes who have a need for them). My PSS holster will have room for an X300.
Mag holders: Comp-Tac singles. These are very low-profile and work well. I will be changing them out to Personal Security Systems holders when I get them.
Frag Pouch: Eagle MOLLE Frag Pouch with a Tactical Tailor belt sleeve that slides over the MOLLE turning it into a more stable belt pouch that wont slide around.
AR Mag Holder: ITW Fast Mag. I was using a Blade-Tech for a couple months but I like the Fast Mag much better. It’s slightly lower profile and will not slide around on a belt. What I don’t like is the rubber band that keeps the tension on the mag holder is a complete piece of shit. They should be using nylon covered elastic or elastic bungee cord. I’m going to experiment with this when I get back to the states.
Med Pouch: HSGI Bleeder Pouch. I love this pouch; I have 2 chem-lights threaded on the MOLLE on one side and a Tactical Tailor Multi-tool pouch on the other side holding a Leatherman MUT(which I could have easily lived without). Inside I have a 4” OLAES bandage (which is another badass addition), decompression needle, NPA, all wrapped in a Bolin Chest Seal. The bulk of my med gear is in a go-bag. I also have the Teflon-coated trauma shears in their proper place.
...and the always tactical Lucky Jeans and Carhartt Hoodie:
http://i123.photobucket.com/albums/o309/laninga66/uponridge.jpg
GLOCKMASTER
03-04-11, 19:20
Dave that is a very clean, low pro concealable setup. You've done your homework and it shows.
Dave that is a very clean, low pro concealable setup. You've done your homework and it shows.
Thanks man, I'm always experimenting with configurations. I would like to run the Crye JPC, but I'm waiting to see if there will be a cummerbund option that will hold soft armor (MM told me there would be something along those lines).
I may also try the Mayflower/Velocity Cummerbund that holds soft armor to see how far it makes everything else stick out.
Awesome post Dave. Yours and GLOCKMASTER's were exactly the kinds of responses I hoped to get when I requested this thread. Thanks.
In reading back through this thread I realized that my original post here is severely outdated for me.
My total system can be found in the following two links
Make Holes, Prevent Holes, Patch Holes - Armor & Load Carriage System (https://docs.google.com/View?id=drnhb8z_88c26jvfc7)
US Grunt Gear Warhog Tactical Padded MOLLE Belt (https://docs.google.com/View?id=drnhb8z_235dq6w3df6)
My use for gear of this type is virtually all training-oriented, and I treat the competitions I participate in with this stuff as a training opportunity not as a chance to beat the accountant from Coral Gables or the electrician from West Palm Beach.
Modularity is important to me, as is mimicking my every day carry setup as much as possible while adding load carriage ability and increasing comfort for a long day spent mostly on the feet compared to my every day which is a long day spent mostly on my ass.
In addition to the chest rig I show in the first link, I have since added a chest rig without the med pouch (as well as an H-harness that I find more comfortable when not wearing the armor). This is something, then, that I can add to my load carriage when I'm using the belt and do not need to replicate that functionality. This system, in it's entirety, as a system, has addressed every need I've had on the range since beginning to use it. I do still need to add plates to the armor for possible shoot-house classes, and I'll need to track down a helmet with the right cost:benefit for me at that time as well, but as a whole I'm very happy with this system. I keep it all in a large Rubbermaid container, and swap out to my rolling range box what I'll need for a given event or, in the case of a longer multi-day class away from home I just grab the whole Rubbermaid and toss it in the truck.
Total system picture. What's missing from this is the self-contained chest rig with two mags and the BOK.
http://i134.photobucket.com/albums/q111/rob_s/gun%20stuff/Figure08.jpg
Rob you missed a good one. There will be another class probably in September at the same facility.
What class is this? I am in the group going to the Blackwater facility with Larry Vickers in November but I am always looking for other shoothouse classes in case I can't make that one.
I'll be posting my new APC setup sometime soon once I get it configured the way I like it :cool:
Awesome post Dave.
Thanks man. The irony is that my order from Personal Security Systems (http://www.psholsters.com/) Holster/Mag holders just showed up today and have already changed my belt rig slightly.
I'm going to do a small review of my PSS gear tonight or tomorrow. It's quality gear and I'm very impressed.
Ironman, I've been looking at the APC which is similar to what I'm using now. I'll be looking for your assessment.
Hey Dave L.,
So far, I really like the carrier. I won't post any real review of it until I can actually take it through a class, but I can say at least initially that I am very impressed with it. It is very low profile and gives you alot of clearance between the bottom of the rig and your belt line. For reference, I am 5'8 185 lbs and got the S/M with Small cumberbund (I have a 31-32" waist). Also, the shoulder pads are actually pretty soft, so I don't think chafing on the neck will be a problem even though they're sewn flat as opposed to round. Once I get my armor in and the rest of my pouches, I'll post some pics.
Also, in case you haven't already seen it, MM has a very good review of it here: http://www.militarymorons.com/equipment/protective3.html#apc
I can't think of much more to add to his review, but I'll do one regardless just to give a second opinion...
btw...how do you like those bfg mag pouches? I was considering those, but being that they are elastic material, I didn't know how they would hold up over time...
btw...how do you like those bfg mag pouches? I was considering those, but being that they are elastic material, I didn't know how they would hold up over time...
They have been great. The mags come out easily enough, but the elastic retains them very well while running and moving, but keep in mind this is with PMags. I have not used a GI style mag in them and I would suspect they would slide out even easier, but retention could be a problem.
The 10-Speed pouches come with lifetime guarantee so if the did wear out for some reason, BFG would replace them. I have heard that the camo pattern elastic is dyed with an acidic dye which dries out the elastic slightly but will still last long enough, just not as long as the solid color elastic.
Maybe just try out a single on your vest and run around with it and see how you like it that way your investment wont be too large.
Hope that helps man.
Thanks for the insight Dave. I actually already bought the Emdom IAP's for my rig a couple days ago, but I wanted to see how you liked them. The BFG's were about a third the price of the IAP's, but I figured I would just get something that I know would last longer. I guess I just don't trust elastic very much lol...plus I like the idea of being able to re-insert a mag one handed. But I'll still take the BFG's in consideration if I ever have a need for them. Thanks again.
I suppose its time to ante up.
This is my SWAT set up. I’m on a part time team and have a few roles:
-Exterior support for search warrants and call ups (gas deployments, break and rake, backfilling Entry, inner perimeter management)
-Open air operations (wooded and park clears, CAT/REACT teams, mobile arrest)
-Supplement the Sniper platoon with a .223 system.
Depending on my role, the loadout changes, obviously. As you’ll see, I wanted to stick with the basics. Make holes, patch holes, call others to do the same.
Headgear: Very old PASGT in TI Black. Based on their age, I suspect that these have little to no ballistic value, and serve no purpose other than to make my head hot. Can’t fit electronic ears or a gas mask underneath it. I’m hoping to find the time to sit down and start writing a grant, but I had to write the last grant for stuff we should already have (see below); someone else can step up.
So, absent the PASGT, I might wear a ballcap, fleece, or a boonie, depending on the operation.
Vest(s): When I joined the team in 2008 the perimeter team was issued OD green load bearing vests. We’d wear these over either our patrol armor, or (for sake of convenience) an older vest that we could keep in the gear truck. Seeing problems with this, I wrote a proposal in 2010 for a new armor/load carriage system. We got the grant, and last month we took possession of Protech FAV’s and several of their new Level III plates, which are surprisingly lightweight. BACKSTORY (https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=42923)
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Chameleox/DSCN0100.jpg
As you can see, I kept it very lightweight. Starting at the wearer’s 9:00, I have a single HSGI flashbang pouch, a single BFG 10-Speed AR mag pouch a BFG double 10-Speed AR mag pouch at dead center, and an Emdom IAPouch. Depending on my role, I can either put my radio into the single 10-Speed or clip it into the MOLLE either on the vest or on my belt.
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Chameleox/DSCN0103.jpg
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Chameleox/DSCN0101.jpg
Only other things on the front of the vest are a couple chemlights stuffed in the sides, and a split ring to hold onto a hydration pouch mouthpiece. Shooter’s right hand side is kept slick to avoid impeding my draw.
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Chameleox/DSCN0102.jpg
On the back, I keep a pair of Slik Clips and a pair of Grimlocs. I can use all four to hold a Camelbak Ambush (H2O, +energy food, small admin items), or 2 to hold a gas mask pouch, depending on the mission at hand.
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Chameleox/IMG_4406.jpg
I keep my old armor (vintage 2005) in a Beez Combat Systems custom carrier, with a Protech patrol sized rifle threat plate in the center pocket. Its not rated Level III, but its claims to be able to take 2X 762X51 or 39. Its also unobtrusive enough to fit under a uniform if I want a more low profile arrangement.
http://i1229.photobucket.com/albums/ee467/Chameleox/DSCN0105.jpg
1st line belt is an ATS belt inside an ATS sleeve. Left to right:
BFG 10-Speed pistol mag pouch- for pistol mags where I don’t plan on crawling or being prone for long periods
HSGI single Mag Pouch- for when I’m more likely going to be in prone or crawling, and thus won’t have much use for 2 spare pistol mags
Eagle Double AR Mag Pouch- 2 PMags, usually 20s
Eagle Handcuff Pouch
ATS Med Pouch- detachable, can reach it with either hand. CAT, OLAES, QC Sponge, gloves, scissors, chemlight
Holster is a Safariland 6285 for a G22 and X200/DG. I much prefer to have the holster ride higher, especially if I’m spending time in unconventional positions, or out of a vehicle.
A couple observations:
1. I don’t use an admin pouch. For the type of work I do in this vest, I find its easier to use either my uniform pockets, the camelbak, or my ruck for admin items. Besides, our meat and potatoes assignment has been search warrants; haven’t needed a pen and pad on a short perimeter, and if I did, it wouldn’t be a hard reach for a shoulder pocket. IR strobe, light, knife, also go in pockets.
2. I’ve tried using dump pouches, but I’ve only found a need for them on the range. This may change, though.
3. I might need a stiffer inner belt for the ATS sleeve. The ATS underbelt is nice, but its a tad flimsy for directly attaching this particular holster- it has a tendency to twist when drawing upwards.
4. If I’m going very light, such as rooftop observer duty (a lot of this lately), I’ll just wear our blues with a plainclothes holster, mag pouch, and cuffs. I use CSM TSA belts for my pants. Big fan.
5. Sniper stuff gets tossed in an Eagle Becker Patrol pack. If I’m not using the 1st line belt, I have another IFAK and a boo boo kit in there as well.
6. For Ironman8- I’ve notived a little wear on my 10-Speed pouches, especially the pistol pouches, but they’re still holding strong after over a year. reinserting items into them, 1 handed, isn’t as hard as one might think.
Very basic, IMHO, but I intended it that way. I wanted to avoid the temptation to load up on primary and secondary ammo, bangs, and such, and weight myself down.
Very basic, IMHO, but I intended it that way. I wanted to avoid the temptation to load up on primary and secondary ammo, bangs, and such, and weight myself down.
Basic is the way to go. Buy a small backpack like the ATS Raid pack or one of the mini BFG DAP-style packs and throw all the extra shit in there that you "might" need/want.
Basic is the way to go. Buy a small backpack like the ATS Raid pack or one of the mini BFG DAP-style packs and throw all the extra shit in there that you "might" need/want.
Exactly the route I'm going...basically all my APC will hold is armor and 3 M4 mags. My belt will have 2 more M4 mags and 2 pistol mags with a small med kit and my sidearm...and possibly a dump pouch (though I'm not really sold on the use of one).
I was thinking of going to the Eagle Yote or something similar for hydro and extra gear storage space...I saw a thread you started about the Yote, Dave. Did you ever pick one up?
Also, thanks Cameleox for the quick review of the BFG pouches...
I was thinking of going to the Eagle Yote or something similar for hydro and extra gear storage space...I saw a thread you started about the Yote, Dave. Did you ever pick one up?
I never pulled the trigger on the Yote, but I still want one. Right now the features of the ATS RAID II Pack really appeal to me; being able to mount main fighting components (extra ammo/med gear/frags) to the outside of the pack and throw all the "I might need this" shit on the inside.
I never pulled the trigger on the Yote, but I still want one. Right now the features of the ATS RAID II Pack really appeal to me; being able to mount main fighting components (extra ammo/med gear/frags) to the outside of the pack and throw all the "I might need this" shit on the inside.
Very true. I am kinda back and forth between the Yote and 5.11 Rush 12. The RAID II is interesting, but might be slightly bigger than what I'm looking for. I already have the Rush 24, so I'm looking for a smaller pack for "just the essentials".
I have a question about putting together the Eagle PC I have. I am thinking about using a Mayflower 5.56 Triple Mag insert and inserting it into the Kangaroo pouch of my PC instead of a regular Triple Mag shingle attached to the Molle panel outside of the pouch. I'm wondering about the functionality of that setup though. Has anyone done this before and if so how did it work out for you. I know someone is going to ask what is my intended use for the PC before giving an answer. Let's just assume it's for anything you can think of general use. What would the pro's and con's be when making that comparison between the two. Another question would be accessing mags from the insert. I would think pulling mags wouldn't be a problem but putting mags back into the insert while on the move could be a pain. Where as with a shingle it may be easier. Any advice or personal experiences would be appreciated.
I have a question about putting together the Eagle PC I have. I am thinking about using a Mayflower 5.56 Triple Mag insert and inserting it into the Kangaroo pouch of my PC instead of a regular Triple Mag shingle attached to the Molle panel outside of the pouch. I'm wondering about the functionality of that setup though. Has anyone done this before and if so how did it work out for you. I know someone is going to ask what is my intended use for the PC before giving an answer. Let's just assume it's for anything you can think of general use. What would the pro's and con's be when making that comparison between the two. Another question would be accessing mags from the insert. I would think pulling mags wouldn't be a problem but putting mags back into the insert while on the move could be a pain. Where as with a shingle it may be easier. Any advice or personal experiences would be appreciated.
TAG or Shellback has a kangaroo pouch designed for that
So does Mayflower. I was wondering if anyone had used an insert and what their experiences were with it.
theprofessor
03-09-11, 00:19
What are people's experience with tac-reloads and some of the different M4 mag pouches? I've been looking at the Eagle FB pouches but they command a premium. What about just the regular Eagle AR mag pouches? Do they offer easy reinsertion of the mag for a tac-reload? I plan on having 4 AR mags and 4 pouches on a PC (one mag per). I do tac-reloads from the right side mags and speed reloads from the left (I'm a righty). Would you guys recommend a full set of FBs (shudder)? This is strictly for training, fun, SHTF. Thanks for your input!
These are an excellent alternative to the FB pouch, especially for the price: http://prostores2.carrierzone.com/servlet/emdomusa/Detail?no=78
In addition to great passive retention, lower comparative profile, and mouths that stay open for one-handed mag insertion, they are height-adjustable. My current favorites. I'll be getting at least 3 more....IF they ever get more stock in Coyote :D.
US Grunt Gear makes a similar mag pouch for about the same $$$. Well-made kit, and the guy that makes it can be consulted for possible customization, if desired.
The HSGI Taco pouch also works very well, is about $30ea, and can hold all sorts of things sized and shaped differently than mags....but is a stone bitch to mount/remove. One of the points behind MOLLE is that no tools should be required to put pouches on, so their versatility comes at a price that has nothing to do with cash.
theprofessor
03-09-11, 00:59
Thank you JSantoro. Those IAPs look awesome. How would you rate the retention? If I take a tumble, will they stay in? I'm digging the price tag though plus the one handed insertion is paramount for me.
BTW, SKD has em in Coyote.
Crye Gun-Clip. still testing it out, works best on my plate carrier as opossed to riggers belt.
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Professor, I personally think the IAP's have TOO much retention. I got 3 of them in the other day and mounted them to the front of my Mayflower APC. When extracting the mags (Pmags) I found that if I did not perfectly pull directly up out of the pouch, it would snag coming out and be extremely hard to extract. I don't know if this loosens up over time, but that and the fact that I have concluded that I really don't like malice clips for the use of mag pouches on the front of a vest, has me thinking I'll be returning them to SKD...
Has this been your experience at all JSantoro?
FWIW, I have always had good experience with DBT mag pouches and will probably go to these once they come in stock in MC...the price tag isn't bad either! http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/product/Diamondback-Tacticalreg-M4M16-Single-Open-Top-Short-Cut-Mag-Pouch,119,36.htm
***Also just want to say that I am in no way bashing the IAP's. Emdom and MM make/design great gear and while I do like the concept that these pouches bring to the table, I just don't think these are working for me PERSONALLY. Your experience may be different...and hopefully it is.***
ETA: THE DBT website doesn't say anything about these mags, so I found a pretty decent review of them here http://jerkingthetrigger.com/blog/2010/03/22/diamondback-tactical-short-open-top-m4m16-magazine-pouch/
Very true. I am kinda back and forth between the Yote and 5.11 Rush 12. The RAID II is interesting, but might be slightly bigger than what I'm looking for (not really sure). I already have the Rush 24, so I'm looking for a smaller pack for "just the essentials".
New 5.11 MOAB 10 pack might fit the bill. It's a sling bag, if that makes a difference, which has been helpful for me in LE, not interfering with my radio. I wanna check one out to see if it would be a good EDC bag.
https://www.kellac.com/h/images/D/5.11%20Moab_Lg.JPG
http://www.511tactical.com/All-Products/New-Items/RUSH-MOAB-10.html
When extracting the mags (Pmags) I found that if I did not perfectly pull directly up out of the pouch, it would snag coming out and be extremely hard to extract. I don't know if this loosens up over time...
I curently use 2 of them on my SOC-C belt, at and just behind my left hip and nab my mags beercan, so they're getting pried forward almost as much as being pulled upward. I haven't noticed any palpable difference in speed, potential hangups and whatnot.
CAVEAT: I DID prep them: threw them in the washing maching with some other kit I was rinsing of mud that day (no soap), mounted them to my belt while still wet, stuffed full Pmags in them, and let them sit for a week.
Ofhand, I'd say just use 'em and they'll work themselves in. Otherwise, keep them stuffed with mags when you're not wearing it until they GET worked in.
threeheadeddog
03-09-11, 19:29
JSantoro---have you tried doublestacking the TACO 's:suicide2:. I spent a large part of one afternoon putting them on my Fatboy type S.(still working on my "go bag").
Very true. I am kinda back and forth between the Yote and 5.11 Rush 12. The RAID II is interesting, but might be slightly bigger than what I'm looking for (not really sure). I already have the Rush 24, so I'm looking for a smaller pack for "just the essentials".
I picked up one of the Rush12 packs last week after a few months of driving my self nuts trying to pick out a small pack. I think that if you like your Rush24 but want something smaller you will like the Rush12. Despite being smaller than the 24 it still has plenty of pockets keep gear organized and it carries weight very well.
kaltesherz
03-10-11, 00:27
Very true. I am kinda back and forth between the Yote and 5.11 Rush 12. The RAID II is interesting, but might be slightly bigger than what I'm looking for (not really sure). I already have the Rush 24, so I'm looking for a smaller pack for "just the essentials".
It's too bad ATS apparently doesn't make their Cobra Pack anymore, that would have fit the bill nicely...
JSantoro, thanks for the response. They seem to have loosened up slightly, but are still hanging up sometimes...I don't care for the malice clips either, so I may be returning them for either the DBT pouches or the BFG Ten Speed pouches.
jsx1043, I would be careful with sling packs. I like the concept, but even loaded with 10 pounds of gear, they will get uncomfortable if carried for any length of time. Its obviously personal preference, and we may have different situations, but I don't think you can beat a standard backpack setup for load distribution.
13MPG, I really do like my Rush 24. I have the older model, so I don't know what they've done with the new 12's. I'm thinking this will be the route I will go, but I really like the yote design with the "beaver tail" pocket...but then again, the Rush 12 has molle, so its a tradeoff. I'm going to a local surplus store that sells them to check them out soon. It sounds like you're like me...spend crazy amounts of research on a products to make sure exactly what you want before you buy it lol :D
JSantoro---have you tried doublestacking the TACO 's:suicide2: .
Worst experience of my life.
Hi everyone new here but I wanted to share my newest bit of kit.
This is my "range/collectors kit" as I am just a civvie who likes gear and hitting the range every so often.
This is a Crye Precision Cage Plate Carrier (CPC), and Low Profile Belt.
CPC kitlist
Crye CPC size large Multicam
Crye CPC platebags size Medium MC
Crye CPC Platebag Zip-off MOLLE pannel MC
Blue Force Gear Ten speed triple 5.56 pouch in MC on the front "flap"
3x ESSTAC KYWIs in the front "flap" modded with paracord to be low profile, the bungies have been removed since this image was taken.
EMDOM Vehicle Hydration pouch in MC on the back
Motorolla Sabre 2 w/ TCI TABC 1
LowPro Belt
Crye Low Profile belt (unarmored variant) MC
2x HSGI Pistol TACOs in MC on the front left
2x Blade Tech AR-15 pouch in TAN with MOLLE loc
Blue Force Gear SSE pouch in MC
EMDOM MINI utilipouch in MC
Crye Glock Gun Clip in tan
Structural Kinetic Support Stays (STKSS)
I've recently replaced the BFG dumper with an EMDOM/MM Dump pouch and the camelbak with a Source 2L LPS, but don't have any images of the newer stuff. I'm also waiting for an Austrialpine Cobra in foliage green for the low pro belt, a little overkill but I wanted to see what the buckles were like without dropping $60 on an entire belt.
I purchased this gear after reading MilitaryMorons review of the CPC, as well as several other reviews of the alternatives (Paraclete SOPC and HPC, LBT 6094a, Mayflower's PCs, and TYR LWPC) and came to the conclusion that the CPC would fit my needs as a collector and on the range as well as go above and beyond what some of the other options would do. The pouches were purchased off readings from here and another ar site on what current paradigms were for equipment and it's organization, as well as the layout I've been using for the past year.
Onto why I selected the pouches I did. I wanted pistol pouches that would allow me to use both my M&P and my glock mags, as well as accommodate FN Five-seveN mags should I ever get one, that were open top and secure without bungies, and the TACOs fit that bill pretty well for a reasonable price.
The Bladetech AR molded pouches were actually my second choice I wanted the Raven pouches but I didn't want to wait that long for them. They are a bit bigger horizontally than I would have wanted and if I did it again I may have gone with FASTMags.
All of the BFG puches were selected because of their low profile, but I'm not entirely sure I like them at this point. The SSE is difficult to use as a dumper, it dosen't stay open and it flops all over the place, and the ten-speed pouches are not made for easy mag insertion.
I bought the EMDOM vehicle Hydro pouch as at the time it was the only thing I could find that was small enough to not drop to far down on the back of the CPC, it's very nice, but now that I know about it I might have gone with the cheaper TAG mini-hydro pouch. I tossed the mini-utility pouch on there as I wanted somewhere out of the way to put my cell phone and keys and that seemed like a good place and pouch at the time.
The gun clip is on there as when I ordered it I had a Glock 23 but it's now gone (traded) to be replaced some point soon by something shooting cheaper ammo, and it was new and different so I figured I would try it. Otherwise I've been using an NTAC M&P holster with MOLLELoc.
This is just what seems to be working for me at the moment and as I've only spent one half day at the range with it so far it is definitely subject to change. If you have suggestions please let me know, I am really new to "tactical" shooting so I value experienced advice.
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I just added a gas mask to my kit for EDC. Starting with a surplus Israeli M15 and will be getting a Scott full face mask that takes NATO filters.
This is my "range/collectors kit" as I am just a civvie who likes gear and hitting the range every so often.
You use comms and chemlights when you go to the range? And everything else is nice man, why not ditch the thermold mags?
kaltesherz
03-14-11, 13:32
You use comms and chemlights when you go to the range? And everything else is nice man, why not ditch the thermold mags?
+1 on the above, and what's "collectors kit"? Is that like Airsoft with live ammo?
Must be nice to just get into shooting and be able to afford all that...
"collectors kit"? Is that like Airsoft with live ammo?
Yeah pretty much. I will admit I used to be an airsofter and still have some of it laying around, I use one of my old airsoft rifles for drills in my backyard, and the comms were left over from that period of my life, as it's a picture I thought I'd toss it in. When I have used it at the range I do not have the comms on it. I also term it collectors as I have no real world need for a PC, I wanted a PC, but obviously this is overkill for anything I would really encounter, it's just something I liked the look of and the reviews sounded like it was comfortable and not too bulky. I also like the concept of the STKSS to keep me fresh for longer days on the range.
The termold mags are getting replaced by PMAGs as I get more and more annoyed with them, but they were given to me by a friend and after some shooting I've noticed why he dosen't use them.
This is actually the result of selling off most of my RC aircraft fleet, I've moved recently and shooting sports are more active near me than RC is so I've moved into another hobby. My kit I've been using for the past year is an Eagle universal chest rig, eagle duty belt, and a $10 surplus camelbak so I've gone from one end of the spectrum to another but I've been saving for a few months to get that whole setup just right.
kaltesherz
03-14-11, 16:21
Yeah pretty much. I will admit I used to be an airsofter and still have some of it laying around, I use one of my old airsoft rifles for drills in my backyard, and the comms were left over from that period of my life, as it's a picture I thought I'd toss it in. When I have used it at the range I do not have the comms on it. I also term it collectors as I have no real world need for a PC, I wanted a PC, but obviously this is overkill for anything I would really encounter, it's just something I liked the look of and the reviews sounded like it was comfortable and not too bulky. I also like the concept of the STKSS to keep me fresh for longer days on the range.
The termold mags are getting replaced by PMAGs as I get more and more annoyed with them, but they were given to me by a friend and after some shooting I've noticed why he dosen't use them.
This is actually the result of selling off most of my RC aircraft fleet, I've moved recently and shooting sports are more active near me than RC is so I've moved into another hobby. My kit I've been using for the past year is an Eagle universal chest rig, eagle duty belt, and a $10 surplus camelbak so I've gone from one end of the spectrum to another but I've been saving for a few months to get that whole setup just right.
Ah. What kind of plates are you using? Inserts?
I was thinking of geting the Crye backers but for right now I have some cheap ESAPI plates. I'm debating on getting side plates, for now I'm holding off until I get some nicer front and rear plates, just don't know which ones to get I have more research to do for that.
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Put the pistol mags higher up. I had the pistol mags in front of my carbine mags, but during emergency pistol reloads I kept on grabbing the carbine mags (major Herp Derp).
Put the admin pouch on my strong side with a couple of loose knick-knacks in there. 9-line cards, etc. are in there. The pouch is nice and thin so it won't interfere with my pistol draw.
Rig has built in MBITR pouches at the 10 & 2 o clock positions (in the cumberbund.)
Small bleeder kit in a double mag pouch mounted on the chest (including TQ and israeli bandage).
The padded GP pouch is empty.
The double mag pouch in front is empty for use as a GP pouch, or to plus up to 7 mags on chest, if necessary.
Hydro carrier on rear.
I should probably lighten it even more, but I'll leave it as is, for now.
Any feedback greatly appreciated.
Help me I can't figure out automatic timer!
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Issue multicams
Kayland boots
Peltor Comtac IIs.
HSGI warlord jimmy-rigged to the issue plate carrier
IFAK and ATS admin pouch on warlord. Admin pouch holds SOG multitool, spare 123 batteries, Surefire G6, candy (nom nom nom) or seeds, SOG knife, Slip2000, collapsed cleaning rod and chem lights. IFAK holds... well, IFAK stuff.
ATS war belt with double shingle, blue force gear tourniquet now! and some other small pouch from skd. It holds another knife, flashlight, lighter, and bandage. Idea being the war belt will be my putting around the FOB wear for when I don't want to put on the warlord. I'll still have 90 rounds and essential first aid gear on me.
The one piece ACH front pad is money, try it.
Also, Oakley jury's are some bad ass sunglasses. Try them and look down on all other sunglasses for the rest of forever.
And smartwools socks underneath the Kaylands. I've worn other socks but I keep going back to smartwools. Superfeet green or black insoles for my flat-as-day-old beer feet.
http://i76.photobucket.com/albums/j6/steve__oh/DSC00216.jpg
Warlord attaches directly to the plate carrier via 4 buckles, each with two strands of gutted 550 and two end of the line bowlines. The way it's rigged the plate carrier still retains it's quick release ability which is apparently required. Inside the warlord I've got a few more chemlights, a pocket Pashto thing of phrases, gum, and other accountability lists.
I like the warlord and how it's rigged for a few other reasons. Namely, it's a lot better than the crappy issue panel, and it sits higher on me than the issue panel. So instead of having magazines on my gut, they are on my burley chest. I can get lower to the ground, and also access the mags easier in the prone.
There you have it.
variablebinary
03-27-11, 06:27
And here I thought I was the only one that dressed up and took photos in my living room.
Those MC ACU's look snazzy. What do you think of the mountain boots?
What? This is how I always dress! I kid, well normally I don't do the picture of me thing, but I did re-tie the 550 cord in preps for leaving for AFG next week, and had everything on after one last field problem.
The issue mountain boots (Danners) suck. The soles aren't bendy enough, and yes bendy is the official word for it. I bought the Kaylands and some Merrells and both are way better in my opinion, lighter, and still waterproof with gore-tex. I don't know if I gave the Danners enough time, wore them around for a week and used them on 2 road marches.
Nice, I love seeing the M14 hanging on the wall above the flag.
kaltesherz
03-27-11, 10:42
Nice set up Steve-oh, now all you've gotta do is Krylon that NODS base plate...
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Put the pistol mags higher up. I had the pistol mags in front of my carbine mags, but during emergency pistol reloads I kept on grabbing the carbine mags (major Herp Derp).
Put the admin pouch on my strong side with a couple of loose knick-knacks in there. 9-line cards, etc. are in there. The pouch is nice and thin so it won't interfere with my pistol draw.
Rig has built in MBITR pouches at the 10 & 2 o clock positions (in the cumberbund.)
Small bleeder kit in a double mag pouch mounted on the chest (including TQ and israeli bandage).
The padded GP pouch is empty.
The double mag pouch in front is empty for use as a GP pouch, or to plus up to 7 mags on chest, if necessary.
Hydro carrier on rear.
I should probably lighten it even more, but I'll leave it as is, for now.
Any feedback greatly appreciated.
Who makes the PC??
Kchen that's a nice rig, looks very new tho :D
http://i57.photobucket.com/albums/g206/person9334/DSC_2022.jpg
Those secondary mags in the Tacos? If so, they appear to be oriented rounds facing back. Do what works for you, but I believe they ought to be the other way around.
If I move naturally to insert the mag with forward facing rounds I will insert the mag backwards. grabbing the mag with forward facing rounds to insert it properly forces my to grab my mag at an awkward angle. With them facing back I can just manhandel them.
Also keeping the end of the mag not directly in my control out and away from my body keeps it from getting caught on anything on my person like my primary, sling, or PC.
Also keeping the end of the mag not directly in my control out and away from my body keeps it from getting caught on anything on my person like my primary, sling, or PC.
Dont understand. What end of the mag are you talking about, baseplate or lips? And is this while it is in the pouch or live in your hand?
I would advise against beercanning secondary mags, or manhandling them, as you put it. Again, do what works for you, but I think you will find that indexing a rounds-forward mag will allow you to more reliably find your magwell. You can place your index finger tip right on the front of the magwell and drive it up. This grip is also more consistent with and prevalent in common CCW setups. I have never heard anyone call it awkward until today.
I mean the lips, how would I not have control over the base of the mag?
I do beer can it because I've never had an issue getting my mag into my weapon, but then again I've never shot in stressful situations. If I were to beer can my mags, it would make me twist my wrist in a very odd manner with forward facing rounds.
I can see how indexing would work better with forward facing rounds, but I have never tried it, no-one has suggested I do. I will next time I go to the range.
I can see how indexing would work better with forward facing rounds, but I have never tried it, no-one has suggested I do. I will next time I go to the range.
Out of curiosity, who trained you to carry your pistol mags that way?
No-one, I've just been trying things and so far this has been the way that worked the best for me.
I just go to the range with friends and we run drills, mostly they comment on where I should go and how to take shots, not really ever addressed my mag changes except for when I was learning how to use my AR.
Definitely give the index grip a try. Unlike primary mags, you've generally got to get the entire secondary mag into the magwell of the weapon, so beer can grips necessitate a second step after getting the mag's tip in the magwell where you've got to relinquish the beercan grip and push up on the baseplate. You just can't get the mag seated if you're beer canning it, you've got to push from the bottom. These steps are accomplished much faster with an index grip.
Ok cool, I've been looking at youtube videos just to get a feel for the motion and it does look better, much more fluid. I'll have to try it out, it'll be awkward at first, I've got to break the beer can habit.
I'll practice some reloads too when I get home tonight. thanks for the help.
Kchen that's a nice rig, looks very new tho :D
Yes yes. Need to crawl some sand with it. :D
I've worn it in addition to a ruck while hiking, and used it in a few carbine courses, but nothing wears gear in like sun & sand. :D
ETA: Yes, it's a LBT 6094.
I would advise against beercanning secondary mags, or manhandling them, as you put it.
There's no need to beercan pistol mags if the rounds are facing to the rear.
Index the mag with the finger along the side of the mag instead of the front. It's doing exactly the same as the usual rounds-forward indexing along the front, only without having to turn your hand from palm-to-back to palm-to-front. There's actually less motion, and is a workable method for those that may find the other way somehow awkward, folks having suffered hand or wrist injuries or otherwise have limited range of motion leaping immediately to mind.
There's no need to beercan pistol mags if the rounds are facing to the rear.
Index the mag with the finger along the side of the mag instead of the front. It's doing exactly the same as the usual rounds-forward indexing along the front, only without having to turn your hand from palm-to-back to palm-to-front. There's actually less motion, and is a workable method for those that may find the other way somehow awkward, folks having suffered hand or wrist injuries or otherwise have limited range of motion leaping immediately to mind.
Nice, never thought of that. Thanks.
Warlord attaches directly to the plate carrier via 4 buckles, each with two strands of gutted 550 and two end of the line bowlines. The way it's rigged the plate carrier still retains it's quick release ability which is apparently required.
What plate carrier is that? PEO Soldier has been testing something like 8 of them.
Those self-licking-ice-cream-cone aficionados went with a carrier from KDH sometime a bit before Murtha had the decency to go room-temp. THIS abortion:
http://soldiersystems.net/blog1/wp-content/uploads/2009/11/kdh1.jpg
Pretty sure the one pictured is a KDH, judging by the oblong metal loops that the Warlord is hanging from...but I can't completely tell because the Warlord is also covering up what would be very tell-tale armor gaps, ones you could drive a motorcycle through.
In addition to the gaps, the plate pockets on those things can sag pretty horribly. Adding something like the Mayflower add-on Cummerbund goes a long way to alleviating how it wears, and the addition of c-bun soft armor helps even more.
EDIT: And the KDH side plate pockets are placed in such a way as to do a great job of protecting one's abdomen while leaving them too far back to cover the lungs, and the buckle attachments leave gaps that fail to put plate over where the liver is.
If one ever wanted to smell what Murtha's pork projects smelled like, sniff a KDH plate carrier.
kaltesherz
04-10-11, 00:44
I was so excited when I heard the big Army was finally getting plate carriers... then I saw those. Yikes. The sad thing is they're still leaps and bounds more popular and comfortable than IOTVs. The Army is sometimes just so full of fail...
Damn it! Eight plate carriers tested and they picked that turd? Why does the Army continually **** this up and USMC continually gets it right?
The USMC got the FROG and we have that crappy Combat Shirt. The USMC has the Eagle SPC and we end up with nonsense.
variablebinary
04-10-11, 19:15
Standard FLC worn when training 75% of the time.
Stuffed with all kinds of crap. Pain killers, flashlights (red + white), zip ties, chem lights, ear plugs, canteens (SOP), IFAK (SOP), writing material, land nav aids, and all kinds of other crap. You can pack a lot of gear on these things. I wear mine really tight and high as well. Not a bad piece of gear courtesy of Uncle Sam. I thought it would fall apart in a week, but it's kept on truckin'.
http://i1098.photobucket.com/albums/g377/VariableB/Army%20stuff/flc-1.jpg
variablebinary
04-10-11, 19:30
The KDH carrier is damned awful.
When you see it stripped down, you realize how crappy it really is. Though, I do appreciate the Army trying to go lighter than the IOTV. The cummerbund is the biggest weakness in the design. The way it attaches results in plate sag, the buckles break, it leaves gaps. It's total crap.
http://www.armytimes.com/xml/news/2009/12/army_carrier_plates_122109w/122109at_PlateCarrier_800.JPG
Cleaned up the trunk a bit so I snapped some pics. I have teaching belts / carriers but I try to keep mag placement the same. I have various sub loads or drop legs that can attach, such as gas mask or mag carriers. I also have 6 stack M4 mag subloads that are not pictured.
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/SSDSurf/Tactical/armor06.jpg
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The trunk
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The KDH carrier is damned awful.
When you see it stripped down, you realize how crappy it really is. Though, I do appreciate the Army trying to go lighter than the IOTV. The cummerbund is the biggest weakness in the design. The way it attaches results in plate sag, the buckles break, it leaves gaps. It's total crap.
http://www.armytimes.com/xml/news/2009/12/army_carrier_plates_122109w/122109at_PlateCarrier_800.JPG
Damn, That thing looks horrible, I'd rather stick with the IBA over that. I think if it comes down to it, I'll spend my own money on a pig or something similar and hope I fly under the radar (although my new BC is a pretty cool guy former SF so I think he would be lenient on something like that if I was found out)
And the award goes to Surf...
for the trunkload of WIN!
DocHolliday01
04-11-11, 23:21
And the award goes to Surf...
for the trunkload of WIN!
He needs to send that pic to Grey Group for their "Trunks full of Drama and Trauma"
kaltesherz
04-11-11, 23:28
He needs to send that pic to Grey Group for their "Trunks full of Drama and Trauma"
Plus he's got the Baseball Mitt Of Doom in there, in case he wants to play a game of catch after getting in a firefight with the local Crips.
Standard FLC
I'm a pretty big fan of the FLC as well. It's not nearly as sexy as some of the other kit, but it's pretty utilitarian. Those grimlocs however, are reputed to pop loose. Kind sucks since I usually dummy cord things to them.
He needs to send that pic to Grey Group for their "Trunks full of Drama and Trauma"
That's the first thing that popped in to my head too. :D
variablebinary
04-13-11, 04:47
I'm a pretty big fan of the FLC as well. It's not nearly as sexy as some of the other kit, but it's pretty utilitarian. Those grimlocs however, are reputed to pop loose. Kind sucks since I usually dummy cord things to them.
The grimlocs are a pain. Carbiners and dummy cord are way more reliable.
Like you said, the FLC aint sexy, but it works well. Plus it is "free", or can be had at your local surplus shop for $30
Though, I think I will get an LBT carrier in the near future, because I damn outright refuse to wear that shitty KDH deal.
30 cal slut
05-17-11, 09:08
Dave that is a very clean, low pro concealable setup. You've done your homework and it shows.
+1. Wow.
The trunk
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/SSDSurf/Tactical/armor09.jpg
Hate to be "that" guy, but, what happens if you have a flat tire?
Here's my DIY patrol setup. I got sick of all the OTV carriers for my body armor being so hot and overbuilt, so I busted out the sewing machine, bought some 1000d nylon and some strong-ass webbing and went to town.
Then I threw some Blackhawk mag and admin pouches and a BlueforceGear 10-speed AR pouch.
Sorry for the crappy pics, my wife's iphone is pissed at me.
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Hate to be "that" guy, but, what happens if you have a flat tire?Trunk Monkey. ;)
Wow, Goose, that looks great!
I've been thinking about sweet talking my wife's mom, who is a seamstress, into making a custom slick carrier for my concealable armor. I've thought about having her build a cumberbund to fit a soft 5x8 trauma plate on each side and wide velcro on the front. Have an Eagle chest rig clip onto it, ala Mayflower low-pro. That way I can go slick with a gun belt or full rig with just a side-arm.
Thanks, JSX.
I'm looking at ways to add a plate carrier for just the front since my agency only issues 1 rifle plate. I like the idea of 2 5x8 trauma plates on the side, though. very cool. Maybe now I'll have to find a way to work that in...
NoveskeFan
05-19-11, 22:58
Fantastic!!!!
Here's my DIY patrol setup. I got sick of all the OTV carriers for my body armor being so hot and overbuilt, so I busted out the sewing machine, bought some 1000d nylon and some strong-ass webbing and went to town.
Then I threw some Blackhawk mag and admin pouches and a BlueforceGear 10-speed AR pouch.
Sorry for the crappy pics, my wife's iphone is pissed at me.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/goose71a/photo3.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/goose71a/photo6.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/goose71a/photo2.jpg
kaltesherz
05-19-11, 23:25
Thanks, JSX.
I'm looking at ways to add a plate carrier for just the front since my agency only issues 1 rifle plate. I like the idea of 2 5x8 trauma plates on the side, though. very cool. Maybe now I'll have to find a way to work that in...
I'd spring for a 2nd plate for better balance and protection. I've never heard of anyone wearing just 1 plate before.
Trunk Monkey. ;)
Only reason I brought it up was every time I had a flat, my trunk would be full of shooting gear (though no where near as organized as yours) and I'd have to either move some of it to the back seat or just work with it as was. It REALLY sucks when you're trying to change a flat in the parking lot of a busy convenience store at 9:30 at night with all the twenty-something "thugs" buzzing about the place and you're alone.
Though, what I recently learned is that it REALLY REALLY sucks when you've just been in an accident and you have guns in the vehicle. :suicide: But that's a topic for another thread.
Both back seats fold down and gear can be pushed forward or I would just empty the trunk. If I was really worried about the thugs I might have a beat Officer stop bye while I changed the tire. This vehicle is also an agency subsidized vehicle that I use for work, so I can also call for the garage guys to come out if I wanted, or a tow truck. But I would do it myself. ;)
Magic_Salad0892
05-20-11, 17:49
Here's my DIY patrol setup. I got sick of all the OTV carriers for my body armor being so hot and overbuilt, so I busted out the sewing machine, bought some 1000d nylon and some strong-ass webbing and went to town.
Then I threw some Blackhawk mag and admin pouches and a BlueforceGear 10-speed AR pouch.
Sorry for the crappy pics, my wife's iphone is pissed at me.
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/goose71a/photo3.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/goose71a/photo6.jpg
http://i1088.photobucket.com/albums/i334/goose71a/photo2.jpg
That's awesome for a do it yourself job.
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p313/madcatjoe/2011-05-19_21-07-38_278.jpg
http://i131.photobucket.com/albums/p313/madcatjoe/2011-05-19_21-09-21_376.jpg
my "Duty" rig :D
EI Scalable Plate Carrier
Ares enhanced right shoulder pad
EI ISPC cummerbund
10 speed triple mag shingle
TAG kangaroo pouch dounle shingle (cut from a triple to fit the SPC)
EI double double mag pouch
TT roll up dump pouch with BHI strike clips
IFAK
Specter pistol mag pouch
Specter hydration pouch
ATS shorty mag shingle cut for radio
Ontario Knives OKC3S Bayonet
eye pro case
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