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Early this morning a customer comes into my shop to look around. He sees nothing but AR's, AK's and other tactical goodies and says to me; "Who needs this stuff besides cops?" I patiently try and explain to him that the AR is an excellent self defense weapon for civy shooters. They can also be used for varmint hunting. He then explains to me that these things can get in the hands of terrorists and we shouldn't be allowed to own them!
Well just coming off the outdoor life article, I snap and tell him that if gun owners don't all stick together, then next on the list to be banned will be your beloved auto loading shotgun! I also attempted to explain to him that the 2nd Amend. isn't about protecting your right to hunt, but to over throw the Govt. That was the first he had heard of that I think. :rolleyes:
It is safe to say, that I have lost a customer for life. Today was a good day. ;)
C4
;) Sometimes I think the (sport shooting/hunting only) enemy in our own ranks is worse than the anti-gunners.
rubberneck
02-23-07, 13:06
I had a really interesting conversation with Jim Scoutten yesterday at the Smith & Wesson winter championships. He brought up something that I hadn't thought of before. Many older hunters don't view their rifles as guns. They view then as tools that allow them to hunt. The disconnect between a gun being just a hunting tool and weapon is really odd. I think it would be obvious to anyone with half a brain that they are one in the same. I guess I was wrong.
Either way, you may have lost a customer for life with that guy but you gained one with your professional and courteous behavior with me when I placed an order today. I suspect that I will be a much better customer than the other guy anyways.:p Seems like a win/win to me.
Pete
Seems I have been saying the following a LOT lately....
One of the worst things that was ever allowed to happen, were for the words "sport", "sporting", "hobby", and "hunting" to ever be assoiciated with the 2nd Amendment in any way shape or form. :mad:
When I first start at the machine shop I work at I heard comments like this only a daily basis. I stayed quiet about by hobby and when it was time for the company's summer picnic and clay shoot I brought along an AR. Most of the hunters where apprehensive to shoot it but once they did it instantly changed their opinions on "assault rifles". Being able to shoot the gun, I thought, would have much greater affect than me arguing with them.
Seems I have been saying the following a LOT lately....
One of the worst things that was ever allowed to happen, were for the words "sport", "sporting", "hobby", and "hunting" to ever be assoiciated with the 2nd Amendment in any way shape or form. :mad:
People more than likely make the association because their hobby is shooting, whatever dicipline. The amendment simply allows people to have them for the various reasons(including nothing other than protection)
I bet alot of people have a weapon or more and have it for protection if needed and don't even do any sport, hunting or hobby. No issues there. I don't like some language in certain codes that reference repair facility, shooting ranges, etc.
No dig on hunters. Some are like alot of people in others areas of new items, whatever they may be and are reluctant to change, try new things, etc. So when they see a hunter with a semi auto AR, etc., they don't "see" a place for it.
I get the age old question at work "why do you need that?" or "why do you have so many?" --becaue I can. And the old scratch my head and wonder "I'll just come by your house when the sh*t hits the fan"
Mark
I get the age old question at work "why do you need that?" or "why do you have so many?" --becaue I can. And the old scratch my head and wonder "I'll just come by your house when the sh*t hits the fan"
Mark
See, that falls right back in with my other penchant for not liking the word "need". Makes me cringe every time I hear it.
See, that falls right back in with my other penchant for not liking the word "need". Makes me cringe every time I hear it.
As you know, when you "need" one, you will be grateful that you "have" one. Once again, people's opinion affecting to many things.
Like the amount (lack thereof) of guns used in crimes obtained from gun shows.
And as I have posted elsewhere........
The 2nd Amendment was and is, at its core, about killing people, whether or not people want to admit and/or acknowledge it......... Tyrant leaders, oppressive governments, thugs, criminals, foreign invaders, etc. Killing people is not a sport, nor a hobby.
See, that falls right back in with my other penchant for not liking the word "need". Makes me cringe every time I hear it.
Since you like for people to tell you what you need and what you don't, you'll love this thread: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=654104&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=4
I have never seen a more ignorant group of shooters in my life (not even on TOS).
C4
Since you like for people to tell you what you need and what you don't, you'll love this thread: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=654104&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=4
I have never seen a more ignorant group of shooters in my life (not even on TOS).
C4
In regards to training and need-alot of people could use some more. Everyone could always use more.
You see it all of the time, people think they're there and when the rubber hits the road, there "ain't no traction".
Mark
Since you like for people to tell you what you need and what you don't, you'll love this thread: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=654104&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=4
I have never seen a more ignorant group of shooters in my life (not even on TOS).
C4
See, the zumbo mentality is an infestation run amuck.
Originally posted by patman
Just exactly how many gun battles do you get in?In say,a years time?Just wondering.I've been lucky.None have ever erupted at the range while I've been there.
Assinine. Absolutely assinine and EXACTLY what I refer to in my post above regarding the 2nd. For people like this, their entire association begins and ends with a "range". It goes no further than that.
The more "gun boards" I view, the more I feel like a milk bucket under a bull. Completely out of place. :(
Did you get a check on his driver's license? Was he from Colorado by any chance?:D
Did you get a check on his driver's license? Was he from Colorado by any chance?:D
I don't care who you are, that's funny! :D
Since you like for people to tell you what you need and what you don't, you'll love this thread: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=654104&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=4
I have never seen a more ignorant group of shooters in my life (not even on TOS).
C4
Grant, apparently you need to learn the rules of the internet:
Rule #1 - Don't pay for porn, ever. There's plenty of free stuff out there.
Rule #2 - Don't talk about ARs on Glocktalk.com
You are clearly in violation of rule #2. Why you would even discuss ARs over there let alone "training" is beyond me. Those guys don't get it, won't get it and couldn't get it. They have built their own world over there and reality be damned!
Follow Rule #2 from now on please.
Grant, apparently you need to learn the rules of the internet:
Rule #1 - Don't pay for porn, ever. There's plenty of free stuff out there.
Rule #2 - Don't talk about ARs on Glocktalk.com
You are clearly in violation of rule #2. Why you would even discuss ARs over there let alone "training" is beyond me. Those guys don't get it, won't get it and couldn't get it. They have built their own world over there and reality be damned!
Follow Rule #2 from now on please.
Yeah I know, but M4C was done and I was bored. :D
C4
Early this morning a customer comes into my shop to look around. He sees nothing but AR's, AK's and other tactical goodies...
... Today was a good day. ;)
C4
Yep. One more reason you're my favorite toy store. Like they say - mindset is everything.
;)
Nathan_Bell
02-23-07, 19:36
You did not lose a customer, you lost someone who would come in and wat their hulls crimped for Christmas lights next year.
Since you like for people to tell you what you need and what you don't, you'll love this thread: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=654104&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=4
I have never seen a more ignorant group of shooters in my life (not even on TOS).
C4Thanks for pointing me to that thread. Flame left for that turd. It is darned scary!
Grant, apparently you need to learn the rules of the internet:
Rule #1 - Don't pay for porn, ever. There's plenty of free stuff out there.
Rule #2 - Don't talk about ARs on Glocktalk.com
You are clearly in violation of rule #2. Why you would even discuss ARs over there let alone "training" is beyond me. Those guys don't get it, won't get it and couldn't get it. They have built their own world over there and reality be damned!
Follow Rule #2 from now on please.
:( I try to set some of them folks straight over there all the time. I take a lot of heat supporting the AR! I let Grant tackle the BRC and I usually hit up the AR threads in NGF. :D
BTW, Grant you done good with the customer. If there is one good thing to come from Zumbo, let it be us stand up for our rights and clean house. We cannot stand if we're divided so let's do away with the rotting supports.
The second amendment is clearly about arms capable of being used to defend the US from enemies foreign and domestic.
The militia has nothing to do with hunting, so why should the militia be limited to hunting rifles?
:( I try to set some of them folks straight over there all the time. I take a lot of heat supporting the AR! I let Grant tackle the BRC and I usually hit up the AR threads in NGF. :D
Unfortunately you're wasting your time. I checked out of the BRC because, IMO, it's the worst place for AR information on the internet.
This is why I love the picture of me with my dead pig. I tell people all about how I went hunting, and did this and that, and shot myself a pig, and they're all into it (well, most of them anyway). Then I say "yeah, want to see a picture?" There I am with my Sordins (on top of my tactical yellow visor, of course), and an AR15 with vertical foregrip, compact ACOG, and 30 round magazine sticking out of it. At this point the conversation always turns one of two ways. It's either "cool, didn't know you could hunt with those" after which we get into a discussion of the performance of the .223 etc., or "what the hell do you need a gun like that to shoot a pig with?" after which they make the :eek: face because I kick them squarely in the nuts. Either way, fun for me!:D
I don't own a Glock, because they're made out of plastic - clearly designed to defeat the metal detectors at airports, therefore obviously a terrorist weapon. And they're that evil black color, and hold lots of rounds...
Grant,
That exchange would have been entertaining if not for the fact that those A$$CLOWNS probably vote! Fortunately they don't train cause "theys be experts" otherwise I'd have to worry about them as a threat, unfortunately they have probably already procreated and have created another generation of "I know everything" oxygen thieves. They are a good example of how Dwarin's Theory of natural selection often fails.
S/F
They are a good example of how Dwarin's Theory of natural selection often fails.
S/F
It's because we started putting warning labels on things.
Danger is God's way of weeding out the stupid people.
I am a fan of natural selection, the problem is that we are the top of the food chain. Imagine if the T-Rex still roamed the planet. All the stupid people would go out and try and "pet it" and they would of course be eaten. This would rid us of oxygen thieves. :D
C4
I wouldn't sweat losing him as a customer...He probably had no intentions of buying anyway.
There are 1000's of these types of people. They only think we should be able to own and shoot what they have.
Grant, that thread is hopeless. <inserts head banging on wall smiley>
I think those two posters are one in the same or know each other outside the forum. Bloomin' idiots!
Unfortunately you're wasting your time. I checked out of the BRC because, IMO, it's the worst place for AR information on the internet.
If you noticed, I pretty much left the BRC. I stop in from time to time. I'm more apt to lead newbies in the right direction when they post in the NGF forum. Course the AK trolls up those threads big time. I like the AK but those diehards just have to bash the AR at every step. Makes you wonder what they are compromising for. :cool:
Since you like for people to tell you what you need and what you don't, you'll love this thread: http://www.glocktalk.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=654104&perpage=25&highlight=&pagenumber=4
I have never seen a more ignorant group of shooters in my life (not even on TOS).
C4
At first I thought that thread was pretty humurous...but man, what ignorance?!?!?! The place where their opinions and mentality takes them is scary IMO.
But it made me think...what would happen if I started a 1911 thread over there?:eek: Good times. :p
I just read a page of that thread on glocktalk.com and now my head hurts.
Hopefully people can see and understand the difference in the things I have posted on this board that the nonsense from that jem375 and patman. The jem375 guy posts here and reading over them was a real eye-opener as to the level of complete ignorance he lives with.
rob_s, the worst part about all that is there are thousands like that over there.
rob_s, the worst part about all that is there are thousands like that over there.
FWIW, I think I was once banned from there too.:D
FWIW, I think I was once banned from there too.:D
WOW! Now that's an accomplishment :D
When are you planning on getting banned from here? :p
All of you who have read that thread, now know exactly why we will have a new ban passed. You now know why we may very well, sadly, see a second civil war in this country. The 2nd Amendment, and the Constitution in general, has become a joke to the vast majority of our country. Those who value and understand the things that drove the writing of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution, freedom and individual rights, are now a minority, just as they were in 1776. History does indeed repeat itself.
I just read a page of that thread on glocktalk.com and now my head hurts.
Same here... plus it made me feel a little dirty.
I am a fan of natural selection, the problem is that we are the top of the food chain. Imagine if the T-Rex still roamed the planet. All the stupid people would go out and try and "pet it" and they would of course be eaten. This would rid us of oxygen thieves. :D
C4
Well there was that one idiot who lived with the bears until they ate him and his girlfriend. Which raises the old OB1 Kenobi question: "Who is the bigger fool? The fool or the fool who follows him?"
It's true a vast majority of us do not "need" AR's, AK's, or other rifles at this time. But if you outlaw them, we surely will "need" them in the near future. We have to keep our firearms legal so we will never be put into a situation where we will have to use them.
I say anything that gets banned from the people must be banned from the Government as well. If they ban the AR from us, then the police and military must be banned also from using AR's within US borders also.
Well..if nothing else you just reinforced why I bailed from Glocktalk
If you noticed, I pretty much left the BRC. I stop in from time to time. I'm more apt to lead newbies in the right direction when they post in the NGF forum.
The signal:noise in the NGF is just as bad, though the odds of catching a new guy early are better.
Fewer and fewer bright spots there these days.
Grant, apparently you need to learn the rules of the internet:
Rule #1 - Don't pay for porn, ever. There's plenty of free stuff out there.
Rule #2 - Don't talk about ARs on Glocktalk.com
You are clearly in violation of rule #2. Why you would even discuss ARs over there let alone "training" is beyond me. Those guys don't get it, won't get it and couldn't get it. They have built their own world over there and reality be damned!
Follow Rule #2 from now on please.
Hey Grant, thanks for e-mail info on the Stag 6.8! Getting the bonus this week and will be in contact with you.
Yes this is post #1, and I found this site from Grant at Glock Talk. Give them hell man! I enjoy your posts and have learned alot from you, as well as others. (Freeze N )
I am the proud owner of 3 M4'S. 2 that Grant doesn't like, and 1 that he does:p 1 RR Tactical Entry, 1 DMPS A4, and 1 Stag. I need to quit buying mags, and start buying???? Grant I will take 10 of the Magpul Pmags in Black!
Nice site guy's!
Joseywales
02-27-07, 23:02
You are much more patient than me. I would have told him to GFY & GTFO
Be honest Grant you should have just kicked him in the nuts after the comment he made! You cant lose a customer you never had! Poor guy would have gotten rolled at the gunshop I was at today! He has to be the luckiest SOB on earth!
Grunt Out!
If you noticed, I pretty much left the BRC. I stop in from time to time. I'm more apt to lead newbies in the right direction when they post in the NGF forum. Course the AK trolls up those threads big time. I like the AK but those diehards just have to bash the AR at every step. Makes you wonder what they are compromising for. :cool:
forgive my stupidity, what are BRC and NGF?
Well..if nothing else you just reinforced why I bailed for Glocktalk
shouldnt that read "bailed from" instead of "bailed for" ?
Ok...I thought this would be a great place for my first post. Thank you for posting that link grant...if nothing else that secret squirrel patch was priceless.
OOPS.........Good Catch :eek:
Hey Grant, thanks for e-mail info on the Stag 6.8! Getting the bonus this week and will be in contact with you.
Yes this is post #1, and I found this site from Grant at Glock Talk. Give them hell man! I enjoy your posts and have learned alot from you, as well as others. (Freeze N )
I am the proud owner of 3 M4'S. 2 that Grant doesn't like, and 1 that he does:p 1 RR Tactical Entry, 1 DMPS A4, and 1 Stag. I need to quit buying mags, and start buying???? Grant I will take 10 of the Magpul Pmags in Black!
Nice site guy's!
Welcome Montana! Make yourself at home :)
Joseywales
03-01-07, 00:04
You should have asked him what he wanted to buy, then tell him that his price is 10x the sticker price. Call it a stupidity tax.:D
Did you get a check on his driver's license? Was he from Colorado by any chance?:D
Hey now! When I lived there my neighbor had FAL's, a MP5 with the fun switch, a USP .45 Tac with a can, and probably a bunch of other shit he DIDN'T show me :D
Same here... plus it made me feel a little dirty.
Jeah.
Thanks Grant! I haven't been over to that chithole for about FOUR years LOL :p
Hey now! When I lived there my neighbor had FAL's, a MP5 with the fun switch, a USP .45 Tac with a can, and probably a bunch of other shit he DIDN'T show me :D
The post wasn't about people from Colorado; it was about one person from Colorado.
forgive my stupidity, what are BRC and NGF?
Black Rifle Club and Non-Glock Firearms, both sub forums over at GlockTalk.
The first is where AR questions go but the noobs that hit the site usually post in the Non-Glock Firearms forum because that best fits there question when they don't realize there is a sub forum below. They tend to get more accurate answers there but the AR haters swarm there. Then the noob hears why the AK/FAL/etc. are better than the AR.
Anywho...
REnightstalker
03-03-07, 18:55
thats why i dont own a glock or ever feel the want to get one. owning one puts you in a different class of people.
thats why i dont own a glock or ever feel the want to get one. owning one puts you in a different class of people.
You don't consider your words very carefully before posting do you?
thats why i dont own a glock or ever feel the want to get one. owning one puts you in a different class of people.
I'm curious... as a Glock owner, what class of person am I?
I'm curious... as a Glock owner, what class of person am I?
You, me and 90%+ of this board.
FlyAndFight
03-03-07, 22:47
ditto ;)
thats why i dont own a glock or ever feel the want to get one. owning one puts you in a different class of people. He just means........ Glockaholics......
I have been in retail for well over a decade, and I have learned a lot. One thing I have always said, is that I don't need every customer, nor each customer's every dollar. Someone has to take care of the bottom-feeder retailers.;)
He just means........ Glockaholics......
Funny, that's not what he wrote.
Cesiumsponge
03-04-07, 12:04
I don't need training or one of those evil assault things. Anyone can just pull the trigger on a Ruger MkII and job done, so all you people spending money on weekend classes and high powered rifles are wasting time and making someone else rich.
That said, I'm going to drive down to Pacific Raceways in my Toyota Corolla this weekend, pay my track fee, and proceed to shatter all those track records set by the Lotus Exiges. To hell with the "professional driving" course there. Those people are wasting their thousands of dollars in classes and renting cars that no one honestly needs. Everyone gets a license to drive and knows where the gas and brake pedals are! See you later suckers!
(sarcasm by the way, its hard to differentiate sarcasm and actual comments from dummies on the Internet sometimes ;) )
This is why I love the picture of me with my dead pig. I tell people all about how I went hunting, and did this and that, and shot myself a pig, and they're all into it (well, most of them anyway). Then I say "yeah, want to see a picture?" There I am with my Sordins (on top of my tactical yellow visor, of course), and an AR15 with vertical foregrip, compact ACOG, and 30 round magazine sticking out of it. At this point the conversation always turns one of two ways. It's either "cool, didn't know you could hunt with those" after which we get into a discussion of the performance of the .223 etc., or "what the hell do you need a gun like that to shoot a pig with?" after which they make the :eek: face because I kick them squarely in the nuts. Either way, fun for me!:D
:D when is the next trip?
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