View Full Version : NoVA "Martial Artist" Beats a Mentally-Handicapped Man To Death
Outlander Systems
10-08-09, 15:35
The following video has been around for quite some time.
It's pretty graphic, so consider yourself warned.
http://www.livevideo.com/video/520A80743A794A2DA4FA4E3B438A9789/bobby-joe-blythe-lets-his-blac.aspx
Apparently it hasn't gone unnoticed outside the interweb.
Anyone from VA remember the guy?
News Report on the Story:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wObjWdQBeA4
Detailed Discussion from BullShido: http://www.bullshido.net/forums/showthread.php?t=88535
They both look like retard ballerinas.
thats quite shocking. I practiced Kenpo for 10 years and had an opportunity to be taught by some very well respected men and am friends with an intructor that has been practicing for 25 years, that behavior is quite appalling.
Wow, can't say that I didn't laugh in the beginning where he said Jesus taught him. But the guy in the Gi took it too far. Real bad ass beating up on a crazy guy :rolleyes:
Outlander Systems
10-08-09, 16:15
The biggest issue I take with it is that the KFG guy stated multiple times he wouldn't touch the other guy, even going so far as to just perform a kata. Throughout the fight, the KFG attempted to diffuse the situation, and was forced to quickly react to defend himself.
The "not crazy guy" behaves totally irrationally, violently, and is not in control of himself. Interesting, when you think about it...
The other concern I have is that, allegedly, the Prince William County Sheriff's wife was one of the students in attendance.
Lastly, no one tried to pull Willie J. Dennis off of the victim, nor was there any concern for the victim's health. KFG was dragged out the back door and thrown in the dumpster like a slab of meat.
I think the entire display is disgusting, especially once you familiarise yourself with Bobby Joe Blythe, the school's owner, and his behaviour.
SWATcop556
10-08-09, 16:25
It was discussed here before but I can't find the thread just yet. Supposedly the local LE is looking into it as well as the FBI.
The guy in the gi has a rap sheet for DV and assault. Supposedly members of the local SO were present but it has not been confirmed he is dead though I gave my doubts.
The biggest issue I take with it is that the KFG guy stated multiple times he wouldn't touch the other guy, even going so far as to just perform a kata. Throughout the fight, the KFG attempted to diffuse the situation, and was forced to quickly react to defend himself.
The "not crazy guy" behaves totally irrationally, violently, and is not in control of himself. Interesting, when you think about it...
The other concern I have is that, allegedly, the Prince William County Sheriff's wife was one of the students in attendance.
Lastly, no one tried to pull Willie J. Dennis off of the victim, nor was there any concern for the victim's health. KFG was dragged out the back door and thrown in the dumpster like a slab of meat.
I think the entire display is disgusting, especially once you familiarise yourself with Bobby Joe Blythe, the school's owner, and his behaviour.
Indeed, the Black belt took it personal and let his rage get the best of him. Clearly the crazy guy acknowledged that the black belt "got it" and to stop. I wonder how all this is going to turn out...
Outlander Systems
10-08-09, 17:38
I'd like to see a copy of Blythe's DD214s...
I initially tried to search for "Jesus Taught Me" and "Bobby Joe Blythe" but turned absolutely nothing up.
The guys at Bullshido have been doing a good job on this.
I had actually been shopping for instruction here in Atlanta a few years ago, and some buddies and I had been back and forth on a couple of different styles. We went to a lot of class sit-ins, talked to the instructors, etc.
One school here, had an instructor, that I had the opportunity to talk with, who came across as extremely professional, extremely knowledgeable, and offered training in Kobudo. That was high on my ranking of which area to train in. Eventually, my buddies and I had decided to take Brazilian Jiu-Jitsu.
The Kobudo instructor was indicted on child-molestation/kiddie-porn possession, as well as extortion. On top of all that, there are rumours the guy went around and would pick fights on the street, just to stimulate his own sociopathic ego. His day job was as a Doctor.
Just goes to show, you never really know who you're training with; as well, hero-worship often proves to be a joke on you.
There are no real heroes. Only yourself.
Man, that video really did piss me off. :mad:
If there's one thing that pisses me off, it's hurting/exploiting/mocking people that are innocent/weak/handicapped.
QuickStrike
10-08-09, 18:06
They both look like retard ballerinas.
The guy in the gi looked decent for his style (hence the black belt).
This fight should have been stopped at the first knock down. No one acted as the ref?? :confused:
We can sit here and criticize the guy in the gi all we want, but fighting instinct can be hard to stop/control.
I once had to be pulled kicking and punching a guy on the ground in a amatuer match and did not even remember doing it. Went and hugged him a few seconds after that.
Pretty natural to want to finish once you've "smelled blood".
This is why there are refs, and mouth guards and cups, etc. Damn those guys are shady...
Outlander Systems
10-08-09, 18:25
QuickStrike:
Your post is the reason I fault Bobby Joe Blythe more than Willie J. Dennis.
Some of the best traits, I've ever seen in other men, were in the Martial Arts community. Most of the worst traits, I've ever seen in other men, were in the Martial Arts community.
By the way the students quickly dragged the KFG and/or his corpse out to the dumpster, leaves me with the feeling that this wan't their first rodeo...
The guy in the gi looked decent for his style (hence the black belt).
This fight should have been stopped at the first knock down. No one acted as the ref?? :confused:
We can sit here and criticize the guy in the gi all we want, but fighting instinct can be hard to stop/control.
I once had to be pulled kicking and punching a guy on the ground in a amatuer match and did not even remember doing it. Went and hugged him a few seconds after that.
Pretty natural to want to finish once you've "smelled blood".
This is why there are refs, and mouth guards and cups, etc. Damn those guys are shady...
Yeah, I stand by my comment. The dude in the white dress would be swallowed alive in most other scenarios based on the video evidence. Kicking the shit out of the handicap is not a discipline I'm familiar with. Furthermore, I don't buy that "fighter instinct" crap. Considering I've been in a few scraps on duty where the aggressor was actually attempting to take my daughters father away and not just win a match, I controlled myself once I was in control. I don't buy the hard to stop line, as a rule, especially when referring to sport matches. You might get 1 or 2 of those incidents as you describe in your life but as a rule, bogus. If it's a rule for someone, they're an asshole.
QuickStrike:
Your post is the reason I fault Bobby Joe Blythe more than Willie J. Dennis.
Some of the best traits, I've ever seen in other men, were in the Martial Arts community. Most of the worst traits, I've ever seen in other men, were in the Martial Arts community.
By the way the students quickly dragged the KFG and/or his corpse out to the dumpster, leaves me with the feeling that this wan't their first rodeo...
i dont know about you, but senor blythe reminds me of the Cobra Kai dude in Karate Kid. Prior to the fight, "sweep the leg" kept running through my head.
Nonetheless, I concur on the "not the first rodeo" theory as behaviors are typically the result of a pattern of prior action.
Outlander Systems
10-08-09, 20:29
i dont know about you, but senor blythe reminds me of the Cobra Kai dude in Karate Kid. Prior to the fight, "sweep the leg" kept running through my head.
Nonetheless, I concur on the "not the first rodeo" theory as behaviors are typically the result of a pattern of prior action.
John Kreese, very much does come to mind.
John Kreese, very much does come to mind.
oh snap, your cinema fu is on point!
RogerinTPA
10-08-09, 20:42
From some of the fights I've seen and been involved with, I have to say, that didn't look all that bad. I agree, if the non black belt was truly mentally handicapped, then I would classify it as abuse. What was the point in this demo? It appears the two had some kind of beef with each other.
That video makes me mad. The big boss man and the karate kid both deserve to be charged with crimes if not taken out and shot. Punk a$$ bitches thinking they are tough guys beating up a troubled guy when he was down on the ground. No honor at all.
The "crazy" guy obviously was not trying to hurt the other guy and called it off right before he was thrown on the concrete and had his head stomped.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nRVBi4w-8kY&feature=related
This video is long and boring, but he is telling the blackbelts that they can do anything they want there. Then he goes on to threatening them about being gay, and if they would ever wear and earring/nosering he would rip it out.
From some of the fights I've seen and been involved with, I have to say, that didn't look all that bad. I agree, if the non black belt was truly mentally handicapped, then I would classify it as abuse. What was the point in this demo? It appears the two had some kind of beef with each other.
According to the "teacher" the guy was bothersome and they were teaching him a lesson. Course the only real lesson learned is that a couple dipshits could disgrace martial artists and Marines everywhere (sadly both the black belt and the teacher were "former" Marines.)
But the good news is that when this was researched it turns out the guy didn't die. They through him in a dumpster and that is where deputies found him and didn't have any life threatening injuries.
Pure and simple these jackasses were bullies and I hope one day they are on the receiving end of similar consideration and capacity for humanity.
I have way more respect for the guy they beat. Despite his obvious mental condition, he did demonstrate an impressive degree of skill. And more importantly he was capable of employing it without malice or hatred. He actually had more control of his emotions than the "experts."
He lost simply because he either lacked or was not willing to employ a willingness to do significant bodily harm to his opponent. Ability wise he was holding his own during the demonstration. Problem was when it shifted into a fight he lacked that ability or didn't understand it was actually a real fight until it was too late.
Well, from watching it, the idiot "black belt" attacked first when clearly the other man just wanted to demonstrate his techniques without wanting to touch him.
Here's how I see it. They brought this guy in to clown him. Sensi Kobra Kai Douche Nozzle wanted to teach him a lesson and mock him to prove some sort of macho lesson. He choses his best student to throw a beat down on him. Student begins to 'administer lesson' and quickly realizes he's not as bad ass as he thought he was. A mentally challenged guy is taking his shots w/o flinching and even dishing some pretty good shots back to him. I think this frustrated him because he was being clowned so he let anger take over. He began taking cheap shots and nobody stopped him because they were still 'administering a lesson' to the guy that was taught by Jesus. The actions in this video are disgusting and make me want see these guys disappear from society for good if you get my drift.
SteyrAUG: Any way to confirm this? I'm not questioning you just the source of your information. The blows that were received could easy have been fatal from someone who knows how to strike individually let alone back to back especially at the end where his head is on a concrete floor... the only shock absorbing is happening to his brain. Bad new bears. I just want to confirm he's still alive because the way the quickly and w/o hesitation drug his body out the back door tells me otherwise. They need to be charged with something weather he died or not because the bottom line is that if he's still alive it was no thanks to anything they did and he cold just as easily be dead.
Anyone feel like taking a little road trip? I know I do.
Well, from watching it, the idiot "black belt" attacked first when clearly the other man just wanted to demonstrate his techniques without wanting to touch him.
Not only did the guy attack first AFTER the guy said he was not going to hit him, that loser kicked him in the nuts. Cheapest shot you can do to a man, and he did it a few times.
I agree the "black belt" pounded on that guy like that simply because he looked like a bitch. A guy with no training except from Jesus was standing toe to toe with him, the black belt was only getting in good shots when the other guy had his hands up and was giving up.
If the guy lived, which from what I have seen has not been proven, he should be taking this to court, or at least to bully beat down on MTV.
I really dont understand why it is such a problem to find out who the guy is and if he died or not, or if he is a missing person. I find it hard to believe that if he lived that there would be no hospital records, or police reports about it. The police chief was on the news having no idea about what happened.
QuickStrike
10-09-09, 04:56
But the good news is that when this was researched it turns out the guy didn't die. They through him in a dumpster and that is where deputies found him and didn't have any life threatening injuries.
I really hope this is the case.
Furthermore, I don't buy that "fighter instinct" crap. Considering I've been in a few scraps on duty where the aggressor was actually attempting to take my daughters father away and not just win a match, I controlled myself once I was in control. I don't buy the hard to stop line, as a rule, especially when referring to sport matches.
Having control over yourself is a positive trait, but not everyone is wired the same.
Also training matters a lot. If you train to continue to engage with punches on the ground (groundNpound), then in a hard fought slugfest, your instincts/reflexes and habits just might take over...
The guys in the vid are still scumbags and this was not a fair, safe contest for sure though.
SteyrAUG: Any way to confirm this? I'm not questioning you just the source of your information. The blows that were received could easy have been fatal from someone who knows how to strike individually let alone back to back especially at the end where his head is on a concrete floor... the only shock absorbing is happening to his brain. Bad new bears. I just want to confirm he's still alive because the way the quickly and w/o hesitation drug his body out the back door tells me otherwise. They need to be charged with something weather he died or not because the bottom line is that if he's still alive it was no thanks to anything they did and he cold just as easily be dead.
Anyone feel like taking a little road trip? I know I do.
This was hashed out about a month ago on a martial arts forum I frequent. The source of the information was local media quoting the Sheriff. That is why the whole thing never became more than it was, there was no homicide.
They guy was known to frequent the strip mall where the school was and regularly "bothered" the members when they were at the food court, etc. One can easily imagine how annoying an expert in Jesus-Ryu wanting to discuss the "arts" can be when you are trying to get your slice of pizza.
And that is why nobody liked the guy and nobody did a thing to help him. I suspect that Capt. Black Belt probably had his own cheering section as he "taught a lesson" to the annoying food court guy.
Thankfully, it seems he walked away from it after being discovered in the dumpster.
If the guy lived, which from what I have seen has not been proven, he should be taking this to court, or at least to bully beat down on MTV.
Here you go...
http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/content/article/2009/08/30/AR2009083002251.html
The controversial video, first posted on YouTube, has gone viral over the past week, being posted and reposted on countless Web sites. Thousands of online comments opine that the man was killed and that the incident amounted to an unsolved murder. Some called for the dojo leader's head, and others alleged a police coverup. Police in Dumfries and Prince William County have fielded numerous calls from concerned people across the country and spent days trying to sort out an incident that is nearly 25 years old.
A police chief in California -- where the dojo leader now lives -- got into the act and went on local television vowing local, state and federal investigations into what he called a "cold case."
Except the case isn't cold, and the man wasn't killed. The viral video is another example of what can happen so easily on the Internet, with sketchy information leading to wild speculation -- and wild-goose chases for police.
"We appreciate that the video was sent to us and that people saw it and were concerned," said Sgt. Kim Chinn, a Prince William police spokeswoman. "This is going to happen more and more now with the Internet, and you often can't tell the times or the dates, who's in the video or if it is real or not."
Capt. Ronald Mackey of the Dumfries Police Department said that the video appears to be real but that police have confirmed that the victim was not killed, since he was interviewed after the fact.
The dojo's leader, Bobby Joe Blythe, could not be reached to comment, nor could the man with the black belt who appears in the video. Officials have not been able to determine the victim's name.
The karate video appears to be shot in the defunct dojo of Blythe, a former U.S. Marine. The small storefront dojo in an obscure Dumfries shopping mall is the same room once featured on NBC's "Today" show in the early 1980s because of Blythe's pioneering work developing female bodyguards for a company he worked with. That company's work was also featured in the New York Times in 1982.
Though long gone, the dojo is clearly the setting for the video, along with at least one other video in which Blythe tells his black belt students that they can do anything they want within the dojo. The video clip of the fight is unmistakably violent. The local man, claiming to be a priest and an expert in martial arts, says he wants to demonstrate some moves: "I just wish to teach you. I don't wish to hurt you . . . I'm not a fighter."
Blythe sarcastically talks about the man's qualifications and then steps away to let the black belt spar with him. After a few mutual blows, the black belt overpowers the man, who appears to give up -- he says, "You're good" -- before he is taken to the ground, kneed in the head, slammed into a metal pole and then stomped.
Chuck Feldbush, a retired Prince William police detective, was working a uniformed patrol beat in the Dumfries area in 1984 and said he knew Blythe and the victim. Feldbush, who could not remember the victim's name, said the man was a vagrant who lived in the woods near the dojo. The man occasionally was the target of a nuisance call, someone who would sometimes try to take food off people's plates at the Pizza Hut or steal just to get caught so he could spend some time in jail, where he would be guaranteed a roof and meals.
Feldbush saw the man in the days after the incident and noticed him limping.
"You could tell he had been beaten severely," Feldbush said. "He wasn't very cooperative and didn't want to pursue charges."
Although police had heard that there was a video of the incident, it did not turn up until years later, sometime in the 1990s. Feldbush said that if the video had surfaced in 1984, he certainly would have pursued it "as far as I could take it."
"There was some egregious behavior on that video," Feldbush said, adding that he saw it for the first time in recent days. "And it has caused a fervor because of what people have been saying about it. You have an African American male beaten into the ground and he's allegedly murdered and the police did nothing. That's as far from the truth as you can imagine. They've weaved quite a tale here."
This was hashed out about a month ago on a martial arts forum I frequent. The source of the information was local media quoting the Sheriff. That is why the whole thing never became more than it was, there was no homicide.
They guy was known to frequent the strip mall where the school was and regularly "bothered" the members when they were at the food court, etc. One can easily imagine how annoying an expert in Jesus-Ryu wanting to discuss the "arts" can be when you are trying to get your slice of pizza.
And that is why nobody liked the guy and nobody did a thing to help him. I suspect that Capt. Black Belt probably had his own cheering section as he "taught a lesson" to the annoying food court guy.
Thankfully, it seems he walked away from it after being discovered in the dumpster.
Wow... I don't care how 'annoying' someone is there is NO excuse for what took place. None. Are these guys adults or 5 year olds because that's the kind of behavior I would expect from someone who doesn't understand right from wrong and what happens when someone 'goes to be with the angels' and doesn't understand how easy it is to cause that. Charges should have been pressed and it's not the Sheriff's call to assign a value of annoyance to an individual as to weather or not they were assaulted. That was not sparring it was assault and it's pretty evident. That man could easily be dead or brain dead and we'd be talking VERY serious charges. So how is it that because he walked it off through some miracle the guy gets off w/o a single thing happening? That there ain't right. Now I really wanna road trip because those to gi wearing douche nozzle annoy the ever loving fuk out of me and apparently if you're annoyed anything goes in that county.
Edit: SteyrAUG, this post wasn't directed at you I was just quoting your information because I'm not trying to imply that you support them at all.
"There was some egregious behavior on that video," Feldbush said, adding that he saw it for the first time in recent days. "And it has caused a fervor because of what people have been saying about it. You have an African American male beaten into the ground and he's allegedly murdered and the police did nothing. That's as far from the truth as you can imagine. They've weaved quite a tale here."
Oh here we go... better get the NAACP involved. Man do I hate this $h!t. It's NOT about race people it's about right and wrong. What those men did to him was WRONG and I don't care if they were black and he was white or they were Asian and he was Albino. It's just not right, it's WRONG. Why the race card has to be played is beyond me and is an example of part of what's wrong with this country.
LockenLoad
10-09-09, 12:48
[QUOTE]Capt. Ronald Mackey of the Dumfries Police Department said that the video appears to be real but that police have confirmed that the victim was not killed, since he was interviewed after the fact.
The dojo's leader, Bobby Joe Blythe, could not be reached to comment, nor could the man with the black belt who appears in the video. Officials have not been able to determine the victim's name.[QUOTE]
They don't even have the victims name, I wish someone would do a public records request for this so called investigation, and I guess Bobby Joe Blythe is just to busy to reach:confused: I am not convinced that guy was breathing pretty bad when they dragged him out, and if he is mentally challenged the state should have prosecuted he does not have the capacity to decide, something is rotten in Denmark.
I think Jer nailed it. He thought he was gonna slap the guy around with his "Martial Arts", but turns out his "black belt skills" were pretty worthless against a man with no training, who is crazy and isn't even trying to actually fight back. It was probably quite the blow to the ego of the black belt. He doesn't truly get the upper hand until the other guy quits and then gets tossed into a wall, hits his head on some concrete and gets stomped after his head rings a metal pole.
The whole group of people in this "dojo" should be ashamed of themselves.
[QUOTE]Capt. Ronald Mackey of the Dumfries Police Department said that the video appears to be real but that police have confirmed that the victim was not killed, since he was interviewed after the fact.
The dojo's leader, Bobby Joe Blythe, could not be reached to comment, nor could the man with the black belt who appears in the video. Officials have not been able to determine the victim's name.[QUOTE]
They don't even have the victims name, I wish someone would do a public records request for this so called investigation, and I guess Bobby Joe Blythe is just to busy to reach:confused: I am not convinced that guy was breathing pretty bad when they dragged him out, and if he is mentally challenged the state should have prosecuted he does not have the capacity to decide, something is rotten in Denmark.
The breathing is somewhat of a good sign because it shows he was unconscious which is the body's natural defense against traumatic brain damage at whatever level. That's not to say that swelling can't occur and kill someone or that he didn't die moments later. The way they just drag him out the back door and throw him in the dumpster w/o hesitation is VERY disturbing to me. The way he was dropping knees onto his head/neck before the final blows could have caused a neck injury quite easily as well. To say he slept it off in a dumpster then got out and walked away just fine when the LEO's found him doesn't seem viable. Something just isn't adding up here. I smell cover up and want to know facts and proof and not what anyone 'said' about it.
I think Jer nailed it. He thought he was gonna slap the guy around with his "Martial Arts", but turns out his "black belt skills" were pretty worthless against a man with no training, who is crazy and isn't even trying to actually fight back. It was probably quite the blow to the ego of the black belt. He doesn't truly get the upper hand until the other guy quits and then gets tossed into a wall, hits his head on some concrete and gets stomped after his head rings a metal pole.
The whole group of people in this "dojo" should be ashamed of themselves.
I spent a lot of time in martial arts as a young man and I can tell you w/o a shadow of a doubt nobody there possesses the control and discipline that is key to martial arts. Without it you are nothing.
I was taught at an early age that if you're bigger & stronger than someone else you're to look out for them... not take advantage of that to harm them for your own personal amusement. That's just sick. These people need to be tried to determine if there isn't a pattern here because I would be shocked if this was the first and only time something disturbing like this happened with these individuals.
First couple times I watched it the video really pissed me off.
IF it is real then the guilt goes all the way up to the master and he should be in jail
Then I look at the news coverage video.... I live in Virgina and I have never heard of that news network... Correct me where I'm wrong....
Also, The police chief in the video is wearing how many stars? on his collar? LOL
I'm sorry, but this all seems fake.
By the way, that's some good camera footage for being "1984" :rolleyes:
Notice how the guy's arm even contracts with each breath. I figured the guy was severely brain damaged at that point, but I'm no doctor.
They don't even have the victims name, I wish someone would do a public records request for this so called investigation, and I guess Bobby Joe Blythe is just to busy to reach:confused: I am not convinced that guy was breathing pretty bad when they dragged him out, and if he is mentally challenged the state should have prosecuted he does not have the capacity to decide, something is rotten in Denmark.
I think perhaps you overestimate law enforcement. I know in the movies cops pull of a random, seemingly unrelated tidbit of info from the secret files dating back to 1974 and finally solve the case but that isn't how it works.
If you were beaten up and robbed in 1985 and chose not to press charges nobody would still have your name anywhere either. PDs just don't keep incident reports like that beyond a few years and sometimes not even that long.
No charges were pressed, so no arrests were made. Basically end of story as far as the cops are concerned.
You also have to understand the cops never saw the video, and they didn't even know it existed. Best they could have done is interviewed some of those who were present and they probably all would have lied their asses off.
In short, the cops had nothing.
Would have been nice if somehow the video fell into the cops hands back when it happened. And in that case, Sensei Bobby Joe would have done serious time because the state would have prosecuted him.
The sad reality is these sorts of shitbags infest the planet, and they always have and always will. And just as often as not, they get away with this kinda crap.
Edit: SteyrAUG, this post wasn't directed at you I was just quoting your information because I'm not trying to imply that you support them at all.
Not to worry, I'm right there with you.
I was just explaining their mindset, not excusing it. If I ever got a chance to square away the "actual retards" I would. Reprehensible excuses for a human being they are.
I think Jer nailed it. He thought he was gonna slap the guy around with his "Martial Arts", but turns out his "black belt skills" were pretty worthless against a man with no training, who is crazy and isn't even trying to actually fight back. It was probably quite the blow to the ego of the black belt. He doesn't truly get the upper hand until the other guy quits and then gets tossed into a wall, hits his head on some concrete and gets stomped after his head rings a metal pole.
The whole group of people in this "dojo" should be ashamed of themselves.
Actually this guy has some training from somewhere, and a lot of practice.
You don't wake up with that kind of flexibility and body mechanics. Given his handicap, he was actually quite good.
His primary weakness was his inability to engage in actual combat and/or recognize when he has been engaged in actual combat.
But I completely agree with the assessment of Jer, that Captain Black Belt took a blow to his ego when it turns out Jesus Black Belt possessed some level of skill and it wasn't going to be the easy clowning/beat down he intended. Things went from bad to worse when Captain Black Belt got dropped on his ass. Rather than accept a lesson in humility, he proved completely unworthy of his Yudansha grade and sought to get even for a situation he created in the first place.
First couple times I watched it the video really pissed me off.
IF it is real then the guilt goes all the way up to the master and he should be in jail
Then I look at the news coverage video.... I live in Virgina and I have never heard of that news network... Correct me where I'm wrong....
Also, The police chief in the video is wearing how many stars? on his collar? LOL
I'm sorry, but this all seems fake.
By the way, that's some good camera footage for being "1984" :rolleyes:
I've got camera footage as good as that or better from the early 80s.
I guess they faked out the Washington Post as well.
;)
Okay, I googled KMPH, evidnetly they are real, they are a Freso California News station.... You gotta give me that, it looked like a fake news station from my angle, being they were reporting a Virginia crime and all... :o
And I googled police insignia, and evidently you can be a chief of police and wear 4 stars on your collar :rolleyes:
So I am proven wrong again... I should wake my wife, she'd like to hear that again :D
So now that's out of the way, I am disturbed. I had my kid in one of these classes, and was considering putting him back in. Really liked his master but he moved away just about the same time my kid's contract expired and I didn't care for the replacement master, something just felt wrong about the new guy at my son's dojang ...
God, if someone like that had been instructing my kid.... :mad:
bullshit. ever heard the term "death-rattle?" that's what he's doing as the drag him out back.
God rest his soul.
Ok, two cents:
Vic got what was coming to him. He was popping off in another guy's studio and got called on the mat. I don't think he was even a student there. I know quite a few guys with studios in the DC area and an asshole like that would have gotten the same treatment.
Vic is not 'mentally challenged.' He is like a long line of bullshitters that are all over the NOVA area. In DC we call them 'panhandlers' or the 'homeless.' **** em!
Vic is not actually a spass. He is doing his best Kung Fu which it looks like he learned it by watching A LOT of low budget Hong Kong movies that were all the rage in the late 70's and early 80's. I use to watch them my self as a kid. You could get 3 movies for two dollars back in those days. All the kids practiced their 'Kung Fu.'
Unfortunately for Vic, that shit only works in the movies.
For Karate Man's part, good for him that he keeps his ass kicking to the studio, because he would be killed in a street fight with that crap.
And this is what lead to MMA. Because back in those days every jackass with a stripmall black belt was telling people how their Tiger Style is better than your Dragon Style. MMA sort of put an end to that nonsense.
LockenLoad
10-10-09, 09:01
bullshit. ever heard the term "death-rattle?" that's what he's doing as the drag him out back.
God rest his soul.
yep I have and heard it, just 2 weeks ago, and that's what his breathing sounded like to me
LockenLoad
10-10-09, 09:08
I think perhaps you overestimate law enforcement. I know in the movies cops pull of a random, seemingly unrelated tidbit of info from the secret files dating back to 1974 and finally solve the case but that isn't how it works.
If you were beaten up and robbed in 1985 and chose not to press charges nobody would still have your name anywhere either. PDs just don't keep incident reports like that beyond a few years and sometimes not even that long.
No charges were pressed, so no arrests were made. Basically end of story as far as the cops are concerned.
You also have to understand the cops never saw the video, and they didn't even know it existed. Best they could have done is interviewed some of those who were present and they probably all would have lied their asses off.
In short, the cops had nothing.
Would have been nice if somehow the video fell into the cops hands back when it happened. And in that case, Sensei Bobby Joe would have done serious time because the state would have prosecuted him.
The sad reality is these sorts of shitbags infest the planet, and they always have and always will. And just as often as not, they get away with this kinda crap.
so the only real evidence that this guy is alive, is that a cop( now retired remembers 25 years later) supposedly talking to someone limping that fit the description, nothing aimed at you Steyr just not buying that he walked off those kind of injuries, the reality is the cops don't know a damn thing, and only the scumbags in that dojo on that night know what really happened, I sure as hell hope the reports I read of sheriff officers wives were in attendance is wrong
CarlosDJackal
10-10-09, 09:15
yep I have and heard it, just 2 weeks ago, and that's what his breathing sounded like to me
My thoughts exactly. Regardless, they need to prosecute both so-called "Martial Artists" to the fullest extent they can. :mad:
This thing is still pissing me off. The sensei and his adept are dishonorable bullies with no decency. They should be in jail or 6 feet deep. Hopefully, they will get charged with something but I doubt it at this point.
Ok, two cents:
Vic got what was coming to him. He was popping off in another guy's studio and got called on the mat. I don't think he was even a student there. I know quite a few guys with studios in the DC area and an asshole like that would have gotten the same treatment.
Vic is not 'mentally challenged.' He is like a long line of bullshitters that are all over the NOVA area. In DC we call them 'panhandlers' or the 'homeless.' **** em!
Vic is not actually a spass. He is doing his best Kung Fu which it looks like he learned it by watching A LOT of low budget Hong Kong movies that were all the rage in the late 70's and early 80's. I use to watch them my self as a kid. You could get 3 movies for two dollars back in those days. All the kids practiced their 'Kung Fu.'
Unfortunately for Vic, that shit only works in the movies.
For Karate Man's part, good for him that he keeps his ass kicking to the studio, because he would be killed in a street fight with that crap.
And this is what lead to MMA. Because back in those days every jackass with a stripmall black belt was telling people how their Tiger Style is better than your Dragon Style. MMA sort of put an end to that nonsense.
Sounds like you could have been trained in Blythe's dojo.
Being a dumbshit and annoying are not reasons to get a beating like this. If he attacked the black belt and then got his ass kicked, great. That's not what happened here.
Ok, two cents:
Vic got what was coming to him.
It takes a powerful and talented martial artist to defeat a lesser opponent.
Here's a tip, if you still have something to prove, you haven't learned much.
This guy wasn't defending himself from an opponent who attacked him.
He wasn't fighting to protect an innocent party.
Simply put he was punishing somebody of limited ability because he felt entitled to do so and was embarrassed because he was caught off guard.
The fact that you condone such actions means you are similarly reprehensible. I do appreciate the fact that you classify yourself with the MMA crowd rather than with those who call themselves "martial artists." I am thankful for that.
I have had all manner of indignant challengers, know it alls and attitude cases present themselves to me in the past decades. Never once did I feel compelled to beat someone who lacked the ability to handle themselves in any way remotely similar. The only times anything ever happened was when I was dealing with an aggressive or violent individual who was determined to fight. When they discovered the fights were not going to be on their terms or as easy as they imagined they became short lived affairs.
Never was my personal ego or the reputation of the school I represented so fragile I felt the need to punish those who dared call it into question. As a consequence some of those "challengers" became long time students. Others were simply sent on their way to bother somebody else because it was obvious I had nothing to offer them and they were not a suitable investment of my time.
It has been my observation that their are two kinds of fighters in the world.
There are those who have been in real street fights with no ref, no rules and a loss could mean GBH or death.
And then there are those who's only fighting experience is in a studio fighting people who train and fight just like them, and who live safely in the knowledge that nothing too bad will ever happen to them in these 'fights.'
Eugene S. Robinson wrote and excellent book on the subject called "Fight". Anyone who thinks they know something about the subject should read this book. It is sold in Barnes & Noble so the guys in the latter group should have no problem finding it after an INTENSE training session at the local strip mall Black Belt mill.
And they ask me why I think fully 80% of the US Army should be working at the DMV or USPS!.....
It has been my observation that their are two kinds of fighters in the world.
There are those who have been in real street fights with no ref, no rules and a loss could mean GBH or death.
And then there are those who's only fighting experience is in a studio fighting people who train and fight just like them, and who live safely in the knowledge that nothing too bad will ever happen to them in these 'fights.'
And which one are you? :rolleyes:
As someone who's been there and done that more than I like to remember, I can tell you the beating was an absolute disgrace. I have seen it and would expect it in the street, but in such a controlled fight with no apparent prior conflict? And so many witnesses? For what?
The man was not hostile nor threatening and he clearly tried to avoid a confrontation. Yet he deserved that? And then the guy films the aftermath with pride? They are no better than the thugs that beat the boy in Chicago recently. Criminals.
Sad those little di*ked wack jobs got away with that atrocity.
"Hahaha my kung fu is better then your kung fu!" :D All jokes aside that video is pretty disturbing. That poor guy didnt die did he? I have been traing in martial arts for several years now and have never seen groin kick and head stomps taught. I have gotten pretty good at looking at other peoples form and that black belts form was horrable, what a pussy. I would like to go a few rounds with his ass. There is alot of ego in the martial arts business. I am sure he will get served if it has not happened already. Bubba and his hitler stash are probly out of business already.
And they ask me why I think fully 80% of the US Army should be working at the DMV or USPS!.....
What does anyone in the Army have to do with this?
RancidSumo
10-10-09, 13:21
Ok, two cents:
Vic got what was coming to him. He was popping off in another guy's studio and got called on the mat. I don't think he was even a student there. I know quite a few guys with studios in the DC area and an asshole like that would have gotten the same treatment.
Vic is not 'mentally challenged.' He is like a long line of bullshitters that are all over the NOVA area. In DC we call them 'panhandlers' or the 'homeless.' **** em!
Vic is not actually a spass. He is doing his best Kung Fu which it looks like he learned it by watching A LOT of low budget Hong Kong movies that were all the rage in the late 70's and early 80's. I use to watch them my self as a kid. You could get 3 movies for two dollars back in those days. All the kids practiced their 'Kung Fu.'
Unfortunately for Vic, that shit only works in the movies.
So I guess it is justified for me to kill you since your being incredibly ****ing annoying.
Let me guess, you train in a "MMA" gym with a guy who has been in 500 street fights and won every one of them. Oh, and he got is "black belt" online.
LockenLoad
10-10-09, 13:30
So I guess it is justified for me to kill you since your being incredibly ****ing annoying.
Let me guess, you train in a "MMA" gym with a guy who has been in 500 street fights and won every one of them. Oh, and he got is "black belt" online.
you might have to stand in line:p
What does anyone in the Army have to do with this?
Oh dear....
But since you asked!
For the last few years the Army has been trying to 'rebrand' (that's marketing lingo - google it) it's self. Shiseki started with making sure the Army had a new hat to show our 'elite' status. Then we made the right shoulder flag a permanent fixture to show that we were now an 'Expeditionary Force'! Then, someone in TRADOC watched "Blackhawk Down" for the 100th time and came up the the best OER enhancing platitude ever - "Warrior Ethos."
The problem is that fully 80% or more of your average guys in black berets do not have any interest in war fighting. They see the Army as simply another govt paycheck. There is a disturbing statistic that somewhere near 40% of the Army has not deployed even after 8 years of constant war. And many are quite proud of it!
What's more, the Army actively discourages warrior culture while at the same time promoting this 'Warrior Ethos' nonsense.
So too, I see the same thing in fighting circles where 'Danny Dojo' talks a good game on the 'warrior mindset' or the 'heart of a warrior.' But, let a real fight go down and there is a whole lot whining about what is 'fair' and 'appropriate.' Do they teach the 'eye gouge' or 'curb job' in your gym?
So two more thoughts on this!:
"May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't." - General George Patton Jr
And, the best Commander's Intent ever - "Crush your enemies, see them driven before you, and to hear the lamentation of their women."
Oh dear....But since you asked!
See what happens when the door is left open all night?
It has been my observation that their are two kinds of fighters in the world.
There are those who have been in real street fights with no ref, no rules and a loss could mean GBH or death.
And then there are those who's only fighting experience is in a studio fighting people who train and fight just like them, and who live safely in the knowledge that nothing too bad will ever happen to them in these 'fights.'
how about those that have had both !!!
and realize in the real world I will do anything to walk away but in a controlled environment you can and should have restraint
their is no excuse what this guy did !!!!
he is a person who likes to take on those he knows he can win with !!!!! to try to make himself look tougher than he actually is !!!!
he is a person who likes to take on those he knows he can win with !!!!! to try to make himself look tougher than he actually is !!!!
I will definitely give you that point! Karate Man is a douche. That fight took way longer than it needed to mostly because Karate Man was practicing his kata on Vic. You could see Karate Man holding back and trying not to go street style and just throw wild puches.
their is no excuse what this guy did !!!!
That is sort of like trying to find an excuse for gravity. What you saw was a fundamental law of human nature. If you get into a fight with a guy you don't know, who already doesn't like you, in a contest with no clear rule, something like that may happen. And, in my experience, usually does.
Outlander Systems
10-10-09, 15:53
bobafett: The reason the footage is from California, is because Blythe has relocated there.
Armati: Willie initiated the fight, not KFG. KFG made it known on several occasions that he had no intention of fighting, stated that he wasn't a fighter, and had the presence of mind to try and deescalate the situation.
Your defensive arguments are akin to me finding the nearest 7 year-old playing "Army", and attempting to engage him in a real gun battle. Then when he refuses, and states that he only has toy guns, I take the attitude that, he shouldn't be training with mere toys, when there's "real badasses" out there like me, and thence begin to open fire on him.
Meanwhile on an internet forum, "Billy Badass" says that the kid shouldn't have been playing "Army" if he couldn't handle it.
:rolleyes:
"If you get into a fight with a guy you don't know, who already doesn't like you, in a contest with no clear rule, something like that may happen. And, in my experience, usually does."
What took place in that video, was NOT a fight.
Blythe and Willie are pure, unfettered scum.
This is disgusting.
The black belt in the video is nothing more than a thug. Considering the instructor was a former Marine, I would have expected a more honourable display of action.
Through what is shown in the video, and what has been revealed in the investigation of the situation, no charges were brought up in regards to the beating/homicide.
I'm sorry, but I don't believe the police in some backwoods hick town in Virginia, are going to investigate the death of a vagrant who'd been a nuisance, especially when the Sheriff's wife was in attendance. I'm sure the self-righteous assholes who beat a mentally unstable man either to death, or quite near it, think they "taught him".
Well, they've certainly taught me quite a bit.
They have shown me that:
1) They are not, were not, and never will be, warriors. They are quite simply a pair of cowards, that pray on the weak for sado-masochistic thrills.
2) That "might makes right" only makes wrong
3) That, evil, real evil, comes in all forms.
4) That, despite Mr. Blythe's assured self-aggrandising, tough-guy attitude, he's shown that he's neither tough, nor hot shit.
Unfortuantely, the statute of limitations has most likely long since expired.
The irony of this situation is that, despite Mr. Blythe and his associate having the most grounded belief that they were hardass, now they can go down in the annals of history as cowards, and braggarts. My dog has more of the warrior spirit than these posers. Pathetic.
In an interesting twist, a vagrant had been hanging around our BJJ school when I was in attendance. He purported to be a Buddhist monk, and a Kung-Fu master. This was around 2002-2003. He explicitly stated that he would gladly "roll" with any of us, but all his "moves" were "fatal".
We simply asked him, politely, to leave. We as students had nothing to prove, and neither did he. We were there to learn; not to use a mentally unsound person as a punching bag, and subsequently give ourselves a pat on the back for it. The parallels are astounding.
Business_Casual
10-10-09, 16:33
Man you guys are as amped up as that dickhead in the gi.
Armati keeps saying "if you get in a fight, then you need to fight" and you guys keep accusing him of supporting Karate man. Which he isn't.
If you go back and read it, it sounds like you guys want to fight someone to make up for the beating that guy in video got, so you are just looking for a sentence in one of Armati's posts to disagree with so you can start something.
I think everyone needs agree that you are all talking about different points.
As for the video, I think whomever said Karate man got taken down and it pissed him off has it right. Whether or not what he did after that point was disgraceful, illegal or anti-Karate, the Jesus dude needed to figure out that he was in for a real fight and step up his game or run. And based on the video, run probably would have been a better option, just saying...
M_P
RancidSumo
10-10-09, 16:39
Actually, he is supporting the guy in the gi. He wrote,
Vic got what was coming to him.
Seems pretty obvious to me where he stands.:mad:
Outlander Systems
10-10-09, 16:52
I'm going to have to respectfully disagree.
KFG posed absolutely no threat to Dennis, whatsoever.
It has been my observation that their are two kinds of fighters in the world.
There are two other kinds as well.
Those who train to be able to defend themselves and protect those they care about.
And those who despite their personal level of ability still have something to prove and usually do so in conflict with fighters less skilled than they are. They are often the kind who go looking for a fight where none need exist.
Outlander Systems
10-10-09, 16:53
There are two other kinds as well.
Those who train to be able to defend themselves and protect those they care about.
And those who despite their personal level of ability still have something to prove and usually do so in conflict with fighters less skilled than they are. They are often the kind who go looking for a fight where none need exist.
You had me at, "to defend".
Seriously, dude. You "get it".
Armati keeps saying "if you get in a fight, then you need to fight"
He did fight, and he admitted defeat after he became tired from fighting. This after repeatedly stating that he did not want to fight in the first place.
And based on the video, run probably would have been a better option, just saying...
Where should he have run to? And why should it ever of come to that? Oh right, because the little di*ked losers decided to prove their pathetic manhood at another's expense.
Armati keeps saying "if you get in a fight, then you need to fight" and you guys keep accusing him of supporting Karate man. Which he isn't.
That is hardly the subject we are taking issue with.
I basically said the same thing and indicated that is why Jesus Ryu dude lost, his inability to actually fight and/or recognize he was now in an actual fight.
Nobody is disputing this.
What we are taking issue with is Armati justifying the beating of a much less skilled fighter who wasn't actually trying to fight and clearly harbored no real malice and the notion that these jackasses were somehow justified in doing so.
This is like me kicking the shit out of a girl scout because she really, really, really annoyed me and then trying to justify it to a room full of rational people. Imagine then I put in the kicker "there are real fighters and there are people who pretend and girl scouts who ain't up for a real fight shouldn't screw with those who are."
Business_Casual
10-10-09, 17:22
So your point is that me saying you aren't getting the point is not getting the point, if I boil it all down?
M_P
So your point is that me saying you aren't getting the point is not getting the point, if I boil it all down?
M_P
I'll give it to you one more time simplified.
The point you believe we are taking issue with is NOT the point we are taking issue with. And for further clarification, you are incorrect, he DID support the beating by attempting to justify it.
It has been my observation that their are two kinds of fighters in the world.
There are those who have been in real street fights with no ref, no rules and a loss could mean GBH or death.
And then there are those who's only fighting experience is in a studio fighting people who train and fight just like them, and who live safely in the knowledge that nothing too bad will ever happen to them in these 'fights.'
Eugene S. Robinson wrote and excellent book on the subject called "Fight". Anyone who thinks they know something about the subject should read this book. It is sold in Barnes & Noble so the guys in the latter group should have no problem finding it after an INTENSE training session at the local strip mall Black Belt mill.
And they ask me why I think fully 80% of the US Army should be working at the DMV or USPS!.....
Maybe I'm just not clear on where you're coming from. You mean that everytime you spar in a studio, you should expect to have your head caved in if you are the loser? You must be a real bad ass if that is the training environment that you came up in.
You need to have some level of self control. I have been in and spectated many backyard/street fights, and have never seen anything so sickening that was actually condoned or not broken up.
I also have the feeling that the "master" and crowd would not have stood by so idly if the Jesus Man had been doing the stomping.
ETA: You are correct on some points. But some people do this for fitness/discipline and rely on the assumption that they will not be stomped to death in a seemingly friendly sparring match.
Business_Casual
10-10-09, 18:35
I'll give it to you one more time simplified.
Thank you so much for your time, I appreciate it.
M_P
Unfortuantely, the statute of limitations has most likely long since expired.
generally, there is no statute of limitations for murder and other serious personal crimes. in oregon, you can be convicted of a 100 year old murder, if physiology allows. don't know what the laws are in VA
OK, let me sound it out for the slow kids.
I have zero emotional attachment to Karate Man or Vic. I just well understand the ins-and-outs of applied violence. Most folks don't. That is why the vast majority of society actually pays people to do violence on their behalf. And, it is not that 'we' are so good, but everyone else is that bad. In most cases you will win any encounter simply by properly applying the fundamentals.
As I understand it, Vic had been harassing Karate Man's students at the food court. So, Karate Man invites Vic to his studio for a demo. Then, Vic get's demoed. First rule of holes, know when you are in one and when stop digging.
Once the fight is on the fight only ends when the aggressor decides to end it. You don't get to tap out of combat. You can run, win, or die. This is a fundamental meta-physical law of combat.
You people are getting mad at the reality of violent encounters. You might as well get mad at momentum the next time you see a car crash.
Once the fight is on the fight only ends when the aggressor decides to end it. You don't get to tap out of combat. You can run, win, or die. This is a fundamental meta-physical law of combat.
You people are getting mad at the reality of violent encounters. You might as well get mad at momentum the next time you see a car crash.
duh. it's the fact that the aggressor didn't opt to end it before he'd ****in killed a mentally handicapped man that has us pissed- why is that so ****in hard to grasp? nobody is disputing anything you wrote, so how exactly are you explaining anything?
the only thing that's in dispute right now is: was Karate Faggot's behavior acceptable? if your answer is yes, somebody should show you some acceptable behavior. if not, then we can all shut up and go home.
OK, let me sound it out for the slow kids...
You can't defend the indefensible and come off as credible, yet somehow you are still trapped in this illusion regardless. Personally, I am done responding to your nonsense.
Dang is GD becoming something to navigate carefully these days.
John_Wayne777
10-10-09, 19:50
I think this one's gone on long enough.
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