Cobra Rigger's Belts, who makes 'em? [Archive]

rob_s

11-10-09, 13:21

Let's stick to 1.75" varieties for now, with a side comment if the company happens to make other widths.

215 Gear Ultimate Rigger's Belt $75 (http://215gearstore.com/ultimateriggersbelt.aspx)
Ares Gear Cobra Rigger's Belt $70 (http://www.aresgear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=8) (1.5" Ranger Belt $79 (http://www.aresgear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=1&products_id=6))
CTOMS X-Belt $85 (http://www.oneshottactical.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=oneshot&Product_Code=BE-20083&Category_Code=BE)
ICE Tactical Ultimate Rigger's Belt $65 (http://www.icetactical.com/platforms-riggersbelt_ult.html)
Original SOE Gear Cobra Rigger's Belt $60 (http://originalsoegear.com/cobrabelt.html)
Jones Tactical $59 (http://www.jonestactical.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=2&Itemid=4) (1.5" Everyday Belt $57 (http://jonestactical.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=9), Cobra Shooter's Belt $65 (http://www.jonestactical.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=1&Itemid=3))
Yates Gear Cobra CQB Belt $75 (http://www.yatesgear.com/rescue/tactical/beltsLanyards/index.htm#1)

militarymoron

11-10-09, 15:11

CTOMS X-belt QR http://ctoms.ca/07/equipment/detail.php?product_id=10

rob_s

11-10-09, 15:13

CTOMS X-belt QR http://ctoms.ca/07/equipment/detail.php?product_id=10

Are they Canada only? I notice the price is CAD.

Iraq Ninja

11-10-09, 15:38

Rob,

I assume this is for your belt rig? Personally, I like the 215 version since it does away with the D ring, which most people don't need.

MM,

Any chance the new Endom/MM belt will have a special version with the cobra? I know it was not used to keep the cost down. I am looking forward to this belt. It may be the answer to mounting molle pouches on belt rig.

VooDoo6Actual

11-10-09, 16:02

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cpekz

11-10-09, 16:30

Rob,

I assume this is for your belt rig? Personally, I like the 215 version since it does away with the D ring, which most people don't need.

+1 for 215. I plan to use it for duty when I return from leave.

Iraq Ninja

11-10-09, 17:05

HOP,

If you say they are good to go, I gotta listen.

Any issues with getting the buckles submerged in fresh or salt water?

Klear Above

11-10-09, 18:14

It would be very difficult to build a more bombproof belt than the 215 "Ultimate Rigger's Belt" (http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/-strse-3278/Ultimate-Rigger%27s-Belt/Detail.bok) Hopefully the pic shows enough of the stitching for you to get the idea.

http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/catalog/UltimateRiggersBelt_1.jpg (http://stores.greygrouptraining.com/-strse-3278/Ultimate-Rigger%27s-Belt/Detail.bok)

VooDoo6Actual

11-10-09, 19:07

Iraq Ninja,

No but I used BullFrog Marine on my KIT.

http://www.zapawrap.com/cgi-bin/quikstore.cgi?category=Bullfrog_Products_-_Marine

militarymoron

11-10-09, 22:48

Are they Canada only? I notice the price is CAD.

they're out of Canada, but have U.S. dealers (in fact, they do more business in the U.S. than in Canada):
http://www.oneshottactical.com/merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=PROD&Store_Code=oneshot&Product_Code=BE-20083&Category_Code=BE

MM,

Any chance the new Endom/MM belt will have a special version with the cobra? I know it was not used to keep the cost down. I am looking forward to this belt. It may be the answer to mounting molle pouches on belt rig.

ninja, not at this time, because the cobra buckles fit 1.75" belts and the CM belt is 2". 2" works better with malice clips than 1.75", since you use the first two rows of PALS. also, i felt it was overkill (and too expensive) to put a super strong cobra buckle on a non load-rated belt (the CM belt is made of cordura wrapped around a HDPE insert, not made out of webbing). i wanted to make sure the price point was very reasonable for what you get.

Mat

11-11-09, 07:32

CTOMS X-belt QR http://ctoms.ca/07/equipment/detail.php?product_id=10

I ordered direct a year ago, the customer service was top notch and the belt is invincible.

Harv

11-11-09, 21:52

Rob

I'm a little surprised your looking at a Cobra Buckle.... planning on rappelling our of a helo while shooting.......:p

Kinda Tacticool for you ...isn't it?

SmokeJumper

11-11-09, 22:59

Some good info. I'm curious about the 215 Gear belt, will a medium fit a 34" waist with a HK USP Compact or Glock Compact during IWB carry for just everyday wear? It may sound dumb, but I usually wear my riggers belt in regular clothes for CCW as well. Also, how does the SOE Cobra Riggers fit in, good product as well? Thanks

rob_s

11-12-09, 06:11

Rob

I'm a little surprised your looking at a Cobra Buckle.... planning on rappelling our of a helo while shooting.......:p

Kinda Tacticool for you ...isn't it?

Just curious about who is making them, price ranges, etc. Doesn't mean I'm going to buy one. I'm on the fence as to the usefulness of them, or the cost:benefits.

ETA:

at least in this case it's something I can calculate the costs on.
The Wilderness Instructor Belt (http://store.thewilderness.com/product_info.php?cPath=43&products_id=2007&osCsid=arvccn26p188jls5llkf84s3m4) is still, right or wrong, what I consider the original and currently retails for $40. A Cobra buckle (http://www.paragear.com/templates/parachutes.asp?group=34) is $31. Figure the standard buckle on the Wilderness is a $10 part, and the math works out pretty obviously to me.
$40-$10+$31=$61

Now whether or not the added security or features of the buckle are worth nearly double the price to any individual user I can't say, but at least we can understand where the price comes from.

militarymoron

11-12-09, 09:36

Now whether or not the added security or features of the buckle are worth nearly double the price to any individual user I can't say, but at least we can understand where the price comes from.

for me, it's the convenience of not having to thread the tail through the buckle and adjust the tail of the belt every time i got to the restroom. also, if any pouches are mounted on the tail side of the belt, it's more of a pain to do.

that being said, a good plastic buckle would do the trick, but i'm not aware of any 1.75" plastic buckles that would work.

misanthropist

11-12-09, 13:25

I don't know that this would interest any of you, but here is my low-buck solution.

I had a spare 1.75" belt lying around and I also did not like the threading issue. I ended up just putting on an ITW 2" buckle. The buckle is secured on one end simply by threading through the original buckle and tightening it way down, like if the buckle was wearing the belt, if you take my meaning. Then the tail side goes through the male end of the buckle, which is shaped to hold it tight.

It was kind of a cheapo solution, and I certainly wouldn't recommend it to anyone who wanted to deploy with it, but can I run a belt rig off it for shooting games? Sure.

In fact the entire belt rig is a bit of an el cheapo affair but it does exactly what I want...it's a TT duty belt pad under a 5.11 1.75" TDU belt which came with a pair of pants I once bought.

The reason I like it is that is sits flat enough that I can wear it without considering the effect it will have on any of my other gear. For instance, if I want to I can wear it with any of my backpacks.

I have some HSGI suspenders on it which are probably not necessary, but which are there for two reasons:

1) I had a pair because in the winter I use them to hold up my snow pants, and they were the same price as normal suspenders anyway.

2) I'm a construction worker by day and although I often don't have to wear a tool belt any more, I did find for years that the best option was always a padded belt with shoulder straps.

Of course our belts were twenty pounds so it's not such an issue with my shooting belt. But as I said the suspenders were right there...

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq133/misant666/DSC_0295.jpg

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq133/misant666/DSC_0296.jpg

http://i441.photobucket.com/albums/qq133/misant666/DSC_0297.jpg

Anyway not a cobra belt. But if you REALLY wanted to achieve a similar effect, which is certainly sturdy enough for gaming, or courses, or home defense, and which would probably cost you $belt + 2, this is an easy solution.

Personally I would rather have a cobra belt, just because cobra buckles appeal to my love of machines and clean, functional design. I have rappelled in the past and done some climbing, but I would be using an actual climbing harness for that. I don't really need my daily belt to survive rappelling duty.

My house is only one story, anyway.

calicojack

11-12-09, 16:15

......

militarymoron

11-12-09, 17:47

no matter what knock off you go with.

explain this comment.

calicojack

11-12-09, 18:00

.....

militarymoron

11-12-09, 19:46

i wouldn't call other rigger's belts 'knock-offs' just because they use a cobra buckle. most have their own variations to make them different enough. a riggers belt is a relatively simple item - unlike a rig or armour system. it's easy to end up with similar solutions to specific needs, especially when new hardware becomes available. all it takes is awareness of the new hardware and people will get the same idea.

i can't say for sure who made the first riggers belt with a cobra buckle on it, but i do know exactly when the first ones that john willis made was. i sent him the cobra buckles to make them for me - that was at the end of 2006.

edited to add: i totally forgot about this - actually the first riggers belt i ever saw with a cobra buckle was from SOTECH - that was in the 2001-2002 time frame. SOTECH offered a rigger's belt with cobra buckle - it was their 'quick-release riggers belt' - don't think it's offered any more. i had them make a low profile version with a 1" cobra buckle and 1" webbing over 1.5" webbing back then. forgot about it until now.

mattjmcd

11-12-09, 21:04

I have one from CTOMS, Rob. Pretty good gear.

misanthropist

11-17-09, 14:02

Just in case you're still compiling a list, I noticed ICE Tactical makes one...$65

http://www.icetactical.com/images/riggersbeltULT.jpg

Turnkey11

11-17-09, 15:29

El Mac

11-21-09, 09:32

http://www.yatesgear.com/rescue/tactical/beltsLanyards/index.htm#1

El Mac

11-21-09, 09:35

at some point, someone started using the cobra buckle on their riggers belts. then once everyone else saw how cool it was, they started making them as well. being that we will probably never know who made the first riggers belt with a cobra buckle (cause everyone wants to be special and will never admit that they followed someone else's lead; the egos in this industry don't allow for that), they are knock offs.

Thats a bit like saying we are British knockoffs because we use the English language.

calicojack

11-21-09, 14:38

.......

Iraq Ninja

11-21-09, 16:01

Well, if someone wants to get creative, they could put two buckles on it. Call it a special DevGru version, designed for those special situations when one buckle is jammed... :)

El Mac

11-21-09, 19:04

...at some point, someone needs to do something different to stand out...

http://www.aresgear.com/ranger.html

tacdrivrnc

11-24-09, 22:52

Poseidon Tactical Rigger Belt with Cobra Buckle
about $60
available in Black or Khaki
http://i13.tinypic.com/4y7hydx.jpg
http://i15.tinypic.com/6gb9sua.jpg

Jones Tactical

01-22-10, 01:03

Poseidon Tactical Rigger Belt with Cobra Buckle
about $60
available in Black or Khaki

Just FYI, that's not a Cobra Buckle.

JackOSU

01-22-10, 01:25

http://www.aresgear.com/ranger.html

I'll second that notion. It's the best belt I've seen to date or worn.

tacdrivrnc

01-27-10, 15:48

Just FYI, that's not a Cobra Buckle.

OK...Cobra style buckle;)
specs:
"4000 lb ANSI item
Rated strength: 18 kN (≈ 4047 lbs.)
Double lock Snap type buckle
Allows for single hand snap on and off
Meets ANSI Z359.1-1992.
Black finish on this version, with gold release wings
fits on flat rated 1 1/2 - 1 3/4 inch width webbing. must be sewn on w/rated bar tacks"

Jones Tactical

01-27-10, 16:18

Roger that, it's just the name of the thread is Cobra Rigger belts.

:D

Alpha Sierra

03-27-10, 22:04

Yates Gear Cobra CQB Belt $75 (http://www.yatesgear.com/rescue/tactical/beltsLanyards/index.htm#1)

From his webpage: SOLD TO MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, SAR, AGENCY PERSONNEL ONLY

:rolleyes: Yeah, top-****ing-secret technology that peons cannot buy.

misanthropist

04-06-10, 21:54

Not sure if the list is being updated or if Rob has lost interest or already bought a belt but I did run across another maker of Cobra buckle-equipped belts.

The company is called "Endeavor Gear" although I don't seem to be able to find a website with that name.

The guy has an eBay store which in most cases would make me skeptical, but I did exchange emails with the guy. It seems he is a firefighter with a climbing background and I found a lot of people who seemed very satisfied with his belts.

Anyway, his ebay store is under the name "offpistekw".

I exchanged a few emails with the guy and decided to order a belt from him. I can post up pics when it arrives if anyone is interested.

His Cobra belts are going for $50.

One thing I found interesting was his fairly stern insistence that a rigger's belt is not an acceptable harness for climbing or rappelling (not that it makes much of a difference to me - I climb almost daily in purpose built climbing gear and don't need a belt for this purpose). But I am often interested by people who start by pointing out that their product will not singlehandedly solve all my problems, do my taxes, and let me bang my girlfriend's sister.

He also makes a belt with an attachment point that is on an extended nylon loop which stays velcroed down during normal wear. I thought this was interesting as it would allow anyone who needs to clip on to pull the attachment point out past armour or other gear, which might be in the way on a normal belt.

I don't know if he is the first person to do them this way or not. I had never seen it before myself, though, and thought it was a good idea.

espnazi

10-16-10, 18:15

orionz06

10-16-10, 18:19

I'm definitely interested in your review/pics of the endeavor gear cobra riggers belt. They seem well made and affordable, but there is no info on his products. and I'm not willing to trust eBay feedback.

I have had 2 of them, made well, priced fair. I will actually be putting on on the equipment exchange soon, probably gonna get a third.

Watrdawg

10-16-10, 18:31

Speaking of Cobra Riggers belts I got one from 215 the other day and the belt is very well made. Maybe I'm a dufus but tell me if I'm doing this right. When I put the belt on I have to thread the belt through like a normal belt. The proble is that when I thread the velcro end through the buckle and then back again it is really difficult to get the belt though the buckle. The bar that you thread the loop over won't come down enough to easily thread the end through. Of course you can't thread the buckle itself through normal belt loops because it is about 2" or so wide. Wider than regular belt loops. Am I missing something?

VooDoo6Actual

10-17-10, 05:51

NO your not.

Some are closer tolerances than others.

FME (I own about 6), they tend to get broken in through repititions of threading the belt end as the velcro nubs get worn.

misanthropist

10-17-10, 20:03

SmokeJumper

10-17-10, 21:53

I'll second that notion. It's the best belt I've seen to date or worn.
I agree, good kit. I'd like one in 1.75 width, maybe they'll come out with a new version!

CENTCOM_Survivor

10-17-10, 21:55

I have a VTAC belt and its very nice.
VTAC COBRA BELT (http://www.vikingtactics.com/prod_vtac_belts.html)
Lightfighter Forum The Stud Board VTAC Cobra Belt
(http://lightfighter.net/eve/forums/a/tpc/f/9046084761/m/912104487)

Turnkey11

10-17-10, 22:51

From his webpage: SOLD TO MILITARY, LAW ENFORCEMENT, FIRE DEPARTMENT, SAR, AGENCY PERSONNEL ONLY

:rolleyes: Yeah, top-****ing-secret technology that peons cannot buy.

Id be willing to bet that due to the size of his operation he is backordered as it is by mil/leo orders and does not want to slow the delivery times for people that actually need his gear. Perhaps you could donate a couple hundred grand to him so he can buy a bigger facility with more machines and hire a few extra hands so that he can appease the "peons."

espnazi

10-18-10, 09:02

So now the question is 1.5 vs 1.75. What do you guys use for EDC/Range use?

orionz06

10-18-10, 09:04

1.5 allows me to use more pants and it is plenty stiff.

rob_s

10-18-10, 09:12

I virtually never use a 1.75" belt now that I've gotten used to my 1.5" Wilderness over the last few years. I thought bigger was better but I found that I don't want to wear 1.75" leather belts and to keep compatible with them my nylon belts should be 1.5" too. I still sometimes use my 1.75" Wilderness if I'm shooting AR only as my Ready Tactical AR mag pouches are 1.75" size and are more stable on that belt size, albeit still fully usable on the 1.5" belt.

I emailed the ebay seller mentioned above and he says he makes a 1.5" belt and will send me pics this week.

espnazi

10-18-10, 16:07

I just got some pictures from the eBay seller with the 1.5" and went ahead and placed my order.

jklaughrey

10-18-10, 17:28

+1 for the Ares Ranger, works as gun belt and daily use.
+1 for OSOE Cobra rigger's, I use mine as an inner for battle belt. Currently using it on VTAC Brokas belt, excellent. Have my Eagle as backup.

orionz06

10-18-10, 17:37

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomkelley/5094460131/in/set-72157625068804693/

Here is the one I had Kary make for me.

jklaughrey

10-18-10, 17:42

Is that the guy from ebay Kary? Nice setup, what was the price on that bad boy?

orionz06

10-18-10, 18:10

Is that the guy from ebay Kary? Nice setup, what was the price on that bad boy?

Yes from Kary, $65 I believe.

jklaughrey

10-18-10, 18:30

Thanks...O!

John

Gatorbait

10-18-10, 19:14

Good read and info. I have been looking for one and just ordered one from Kary off of fleabay. Looking forward to it.

Thanks again.

Gatorbait

10-24-10, 21:53

Got my belt from Kary(3 days after the fleabay auction), and I have been wearing it every day since then. I really like it. I was going to use it as an overbelt, inside a padded molle outer shell, but it works too good as a regular belt for jeans. This gives me another wide platform to put things on if I want. I really like the quick, one hand unbuckle on a riggers belt. I now know why these belts are catching on.

Thanks agaib Kary,
gb

rob_s

10-25-10, 05:00

http://www.flickr.com/photos/tomkelley/5094460131/in/set-72157625068804693/

Here is the one I had Kary make for me.

Is this his 1.5"?

orionz06

10-25-10, 05:44

Yes..

Iraq Ninja

10-25-10, 07:07

If you are using this buckle operationally, you may want to do what I do and wear it to one side.

Belt kit is often used as an aid to extract wounded personnel (one buddy grabs the torso, another one on the belt). If the belt is centered and someone grabs over the buckle, they may accidentally activate the release. This happens more often if they are using gloves.

These buckles work great when supporting someone's body weight. I don't trust any plastic buckles to do this...

http://i34.photobucket.com/albums/d127/Iraqninja/belt.jpg

rob_s

10-25-10, 07:39

Yes..

So he's doing the same thing as others and putting a 1" buckle on it? I'm less than taken with these designs. As I understand it they originated because there weren't 1.5" Cobra buckles available, but now that they are....

I'm very tempted to order a Wilderness belt, pull the stitching, and sew in my own 1.5" Cobra buckle.

Loner

10-25-10, 11:15

Jones Tactical now makes a 1.5" Cobra Shooters belt but in black only.

Madnik

10-25-10, 21:48

I second nod to Ares Gear. I've two of their belts (Ranger and Cobra Rigger's) and could not be happier.

orionz06

10-25-10, 23:08

So he's doing the same thing as others and putting a 1" buckle on it? I'm less than taken with these designs. As I understand it they originated because there weren't 1.5" Cobra buckles available, but now that they are....

I'm very tempted to order a Wilderness belt, pull the stitching, and sew in my own 1.5" Cobra buckle.

Essentially, yes. I didnt mind the design, what threw me off was the amount of effort needed to string all of my gear through the belt. Once I got the belt from Kary, I honestly wore it once and tossed it aside. While the cobra buckles look really cool, I dont think they help any. I would prefer an instructor belt with scuba webbing instead. If you had a design in mind, I would email Kary and see what he could do for ya.

rob_s

10-26-10, 07:49

I emailed Jones about his true 1.5" belt so we'll see what sort of feedback I get there.

CTOMs is also sending me one of their 1.5" belts to try out.

I like the flexibility/softness of the Wilderness belts and am not a fan of these extra-stiff belts that seem to permeate today.

My EDC gear clips over the belt so that's a non-issue but I do have some stuff that threads on that I use for training but in those cases I'm wearing the gear and belt all day long so threading on in the morning and off in the evening is a non-issue.

I am still convinced that what I really want is Wilderness with Cobra buckle. It would go on exactly as the standard Wilderness does (threading through the buckle and securing the tail with the velcro) but would add the flexibility to open the belt without unthreading.

orionz06

10-26-10, 08:10

The Cobra Shooters belt seems to be the way to go then.

Loner

10-26-10, 12:06

I have the ctoms 1.5" and find it not as stiff as I wanted to. Without using velcro to hold the end, a big part of the belt is not stiffened including the rear portion. The Jones cobra shooters seems to be the answer to what I'm looking for, I hope they make it in coyote.

AllanRR

10-26-10, 12:36

The Jones cobra shooters seems to be the answer to what I'm looking for, I hope they make it in coyote.

Same here. Does anyone know if there are Tan 1.5 cobra buckles available yet?

espnazi

10-26-10, 12:41

My 1.5" in coyote brown should be arriving from Kary this week I'll post pics as soon as it arrives.

Fire

10-26-10, 13:26

I am still convinced that what I really want is Wilderness with Cobra buckle. It would go on exactly as the standard Wilderness does (threading through the buckle and securing the tail with the velcro) but would add the flexibility to open the belt without unthreading.

+ 1

please keep us posted on any new 1.5's you get to try out rob, Thanks ;)

espnazi

11-06-10, 21:21

Received my 1.5" belt from Kary. So far it's been great and could not have asked for more for the price. It is very easy to notice how much pride he takes in his work

http://i1046.photobucket.com/albums/b468/espnazi/IMAG0042.jpg

Sorry for the crummy cell pic.

rob_s

11-06-10, 22:31

+ 1

please keep us posted on any new 1.5's you get to try out rob, Thanks ;)

Right now I have two. One CTOMS and one Jones. Both are true 1.5 belts with 1.5" cobra buckles. I have nowhere near enough time with either to be posting any meaningful opinions as yet.

Tzoid

11-07-10, 16:06

espnazi

11-07-10, 16:58

Although the long tail is not fully velcroed I like it fine, and you have to remember these belts aren't sized like pants but they are sized for actual waist size, i.e., I normally wear a 31 for pants but ordered my belt in the 34-38 range since When I measure myself with seamstress tape I measured 35.75".

Tzoid

11-07-10, 17:21

I agree... I was a bit disappointed in getting a belt that required that I have more velcro sewn on the long tail. who knows maybe if he put 3 more inches of velcro on the tail I would have kept it. I think I'm going with a Wilderness 1.5 Easy-Fit Original Instructor Belt . It's a 5 stitch and should be plenty firm for a carry weapon and it's 45 bucks.

rob_s

11-07-10, 17:33

I sold one Jones belt and got another. The belt I sold was the EDB (http://www.jonestactical.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=7&Itemid=9) which is a 1.5" belt with a 1" buckle. I do not like this type of belt. I subsequently got to handle an Ares of a similar design and did not like it either. It has nothing to do with the workmanship of these belts or the makers, it is simply that I don't like these types of belts for my applications.

The belts that I have now are both true 1.5" belts with 1.5" cobra buckles such as the Jones Cobra Shooters Belt 1.5" (http://www.jonestactical.com/index.php?option=com_content&view=article&id=50&Itemid=44) and a similar design from CTOMS (http://www.ctoms.ca/07/index.php) that isn't listed on their site that I can find.

Ideally what I wanted, and would still like to see, is a Wilderness 1.5" 5-stitch with a 1.5" Cobra buckle. Wilderness has not answered my queries regarding this.

bleaman225

11-07-10, 18:13

Right now I have two. One CTOMS and one Jones. Both are true 1.5 belts with 1.5" cobra buckles. I have nowhere near enough time with either to be posting any meaningful opinions as yet.

I have one of CTOMS's X-Belt padded warbelts, I have worn the inner "riggers" belt itself in the past but the 3" extended d-ring kind of messed with the belt loops of my pants. I did get it set up in a way that was pretty good by looping the d-ring over the belt loop and then attaching it to the retainer strap (not sure if that explanation made sense if you're not familiar with the belt). That was truly the only issue I didn't like while using the ctoms as an everyday belt was the bulk of the extended d-ring. Since then, the inner belt has made it's way back into the padded molle belt setup. I use it all the time

So after all that, Rob is this the CTOMS belt you have?

http://www.ctoms.ca/07/equipment/detail.php?product_id=10

If so, what do you do with the extended d-ring?
Maybe, if I get fresh idea, I will break the belt back out.
Much thanks

Tzoid

11-07-10, 21:53

Rob,

let me know what Wilderness says about a 1.5" 5-stitch with a 1.5" Cobra buckle.

I think that would be the cats ass :big_boss:

rob_s

11-08-10, 04:07

Bleaman that's the 1.75" belt I believe. The 1.5", or at least the 1.5" I have, doesn't have a D-ring.

CplHicks

11-08-10, 11:57

Just received postage conformation from Kary at Endevour gear. So my belt will be with me in a couple of days.

bleaman225

11-08-10, 17:24

Bleaman that's the 1.75" belt I believe. The 1.5", or at least the 1.5" I have, doesn't have a D-ring.

You're right. Duh.:fie:
Where'd you score the 1.5" one at?

TurretGunner

11-10-10, 12:37

VTACs are in stock now. I just got a XL coyote Cobra Belt for $60 shipped. It says sold out on their site, but i called and they have them in stock. Looks like great bang for the buck, and VTAC puts out good kit.

rob_s

11-10-10, 13:03

You're right. Duh.:fie:
Where'd you score the 1.5" one at?

T&E from CTOMs. Not sure if they're doing production yet or not. You could contact them to find out though.

Tzoid

11-12-10, 11:14

This thread is getting good....and productive.

endeavor ( Kary ) has followed the thread and I think he's got a winner. Stay tuned I'm sure he will be along to show what he's got.

Linea_de_Fuego

11-12-10, 12:02

Magsz

11-12-10, 14:59

Rob,

Didn't you sell a Jones Tactical recently? I'm interested in trying one of these belts as well but since no one stocks them to try before I buy I'm stuck with rolling the dice.

espnazi... I recently bought a belt like yours from another member and I didn't care for it and sent it back...the long tail only had a small strip of velco and I guess the belt sizing wasn't right:confused:.
I wasn't impressed.

anyway...I rather not try hit or miss witha 65-75 dollar belt.

For what its worth i returned a Jones Tactical 1.5 inch EDB with the cobra buckle after trying it for a week or so. I simply could not get comfortable in it. Every time i put the belt on i felt like a clown wearing clown pants. Its like donning a hoola hoop and thinking its somehow comfortable. I dont know about you guys but my waist is not perfectly circular and the scuba webbing prevented me from getting truly comfortable in my CC setup.

I believe these belts are popular for two reasons.

1. A certain training company that rocks these.
2. They truly are the BEST dedicated class training belt on the market without fail. The rigidity of the design means that for two or three days of standing on the line shooting you're going to have an absolute guarantee that there is not going to be any undue flex when you're moving, shooting, dropping prone, or doing a ninja backflip while throwing a spetznaz hatchet. They're small, low profile and are WAY more comfortable to wear than a 2.25 inch duty belt. They also thread through existing belt loops so it makes life very easy for those of us that do not want to rock the whole battle belt setup. You sacrifice no rigidity when going from a 2.25 inch belt down to the 1.5 inch thickness that these are offered in.

Having said that, i dont buy gear anymore so that i can train with it for six days a year. I buy gear that i can wear every day and go train in when an opportunity presents itself. Im a wilderness belt man myself but i want a kobra buckle simply because it can double as a whip with a blunt impact device if my gun somehow fails. :)

In closing, the Ares belt is a better product than the Jones belt. Better construction, better design (yes there are differences) and Jake is a hell of a dude.

Tzoid

11-12-10, 15:19

Very nice write up....

Stay tuned because endeavor sent me some photo's of a new design that is basically a Wilderness type belt with a Cobra Buckle that looks really nice. I'm buying one and I think it's just what I'm looking for.

also his average turn around time is a week or so and cost is reasonable...

I'm sure he will post in this thread shortly with details.

espnazi

11-12-10, 18:07

I guess I'll be ordering another belt from Kary.:D

The belt I bought from is definitely great, but I could see some improvements.

jklaughrey

11-12-10, 18:42

Yes, he is improving his design and I am looking forward to trying the "new" model. I guess Rob S saw it first, but I was sent pics second LOL.

rob_s

11-12-10, 19:43

It appears to me from the comments in the thread that the Jones Shooter's 1 1/2 inch belt with the 1 1/2 inch buckle was what you were looking for. So my question is what is lacking with it that you would still prefer a Wilderness belt with the Cobra buckle?
Also what was it specifically about the EDB and the 1 inch buckle that was inadequate?

Thanks.

I think you need to go back and re-read my post. I sold the Jones 1.5" w/ 1" buckle and I now have the 1.5" with 1.5" buckle, as well as a similar belt from CTOMS.

rob_s

11-12-10, 19:44

Yes, he is improving his design and I am looking forward to trying the "new" model. I guess Rob S saw it first, but I was sent pics second LOL.

I did see pics and it looks like it has promise.

Linea_de_Fuego

11-12-10, 20:12

I think you need to go back and re-read my post. I sold the Jones 1.5" w/ 1" buckle and I now have the 1.5" with 1.5" buckle, as well as a similar belt from CTOMS.

Sorry Rob, I did not remember that detail. How about a critique of the Cobra Shooters Belt 1.5". I imagine it will be a decision between that belt and the Endeav,or belt when more is known about it.

rob_s

11-12-10, 20:14

I'm using the Jones & CTOMS in a class early next week and will gather some feedback then.

jklaughrey

11-12-10, 20:24

Yeah, that is what I thought. Rob, looking forward to getting my mitts on it for some hard abuse.

Tzoid

11-12-10, 20:51

Here are the belts that I was talking about in the thread by Endevour gear.

Kary will let everyone know what the final price and color options will be as soon as he finalizes cost on the Cobra Buckles.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/tzoid08/100_0290.jpg
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/tzoid08/100_0291.jpg
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/tzoid08/100_0292.jpg

Linea_de_Fuego

11-12-10, 21:05

Here are the belts that I was talking about in the thread by Endevour gear.
Is that the 1 1/2 inch belt? Looks good, he states the stiffness is less than some; I wonder how it compares to the Wilderness belt?

Tzoid

11-12-10, 22:54

That is the 1 1/2 inch belt with the 1 1/2 inch Cobra Buckle...
Here is what Kary told me about the belt design.

It actually has a total of 7 passes, three on the inner layer to bind in the stiffening strip and then four more to bind both layers together.

It is pretty stiff, it is flexible if you bend over to a point, if you were a heavier person it might pinch you a little if you were tying your shoes or something. But I can't imagine the end rolling under the weight of a pistol and mags.

OldGreg

11-13-10, 01:28

Those look great... thanks for keeping us informed Tzoid.

BAC

11-14-10, 01:24

Is the cobra buckle still the cream of the crop for rigger's belt buckles? I could've sworn I read about something recent that was supposed to be an improvement but never thought to read into it.

-B

endeavor

11-14-10, 11:40

They (AustriAlpini) have released a new stainless steel version , I have yet to handle one but I have a customer who is mailing me one for a belt build. I will post some photos when it is finished. I am debating on carrying some when the time comes. I had heard about them in the past from some germans customers (they live near the factory) but it seems they have only recently been released. Other than that those are the only improvments or changes to the buckle world that I have seen.

kary

SuicideHz

11-14-10, 11:46

I spoke with Kary through PMs and he sent me a few pictures as well. We first started off talking about Cobra buckles but once he sent me a few pics, I just had to buy one.

He seems like a definite class act. That's for sure.

He is building me a 1.75" tan belt with a FG buckle as I type this. I requested velcro on the inside to mate up to my padded belt and I couldn't pass up the price he offered me.

Can't wait to try it out!

CplHicks

11-17-10, 18:16

Received my belt from Kary and i'm really impressed with the quality of the item along with the service that he provided as well. I'd happily recommend them to anyone.

I ordered a coyote tan belt and was unsure of the colour for the buckle and was suggest that foilage green would go rather well. It arrived promptly on my doorstep.

I've been wearing for the past 2 days in my combats I wear to work. Its been rather comfy and not caused any discomfort or rubbing of any sort. I'm a fork lift truck driver so I'm constantly getting on and off the truck to secure and remove products off the forks.

I'll be purchasing a normal gun belt for everyday wear and using the riggers belt in my first line belt.

Dave L.

11-18-10, 00:00

I have had two Cobra Belts made by Original SOE (John Willis) for just over two years now.
Excellent belt, I recommend to anyone who wears riggers-type belt to try one, no matter who makes it. Keep in mind $30 of the belt is just the buckle.
Last spring I found myself about 25 lbs. lighter and my belts not fitting me anymore. I emailed John and asked him how much it would be to shorten them. Long story short, he had to cut the old belts off and build new ones (minus the buckles of course). Eight days and $15 later I had two new belts.*
Like his site states, if you are deploying, he will take care of you. If you are going to an Airsoft tournament you might wait a little longer.
He can also build them without the metal D-ring if you prefer.

A guy I work with just ordered one made by 2.15 Gear from Grey Group and the quality is also excellent.

*I have never met John Willis, I have just been a paying customer since early 2003.

Tzoid

11-19-10, 22:57

Update,

Kary should have the 1.5" Cobra Buckles in very soon and filling the initial orders and I suspect he will finalize the pricing and options.

He told me a few days ago that the Buckles are clearing customs

Stay Tuned

Robb Jensen

11-20-10, 07:08

I want two of those bad boys myself. (1 FDE/Coyote, 1 black).

Tzoid

11-20-10, 07:23

Robb,

Send endeavor ( Kary ) a PM and he will get a order started for you.

T

orionz06

11-20-10, 10:18

Here are the belts that I was talking about in the thread by Endevour gear.

Kary will let everyone know what the final price and color options will be as soon as he finalizes cost on the Cobra Buckles.

http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/tzoid08/100_0290.jpg
[IM G]http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/tzoid08/100_0291.jpg[/IMG]
http://i159.photobucket.com/albums/t124/tzoid08/100_0292.jpg

I am liking the looks of these. Maybe I will grab another belt from him.

Linea_de_Fuego

11-20-10, 17:02

I want two of those bad boys myself. (1 FDE/Coyote, 1 black).
Kary said the Cobra 1-1/2 inch buckles are black, but you may be able to get the other color combination in 1-3/4 inch.

HKocher

11-22-10, 20:29

I'm looking for one of these belts to go inside my BFG padded belt. Which of these belts have fuzzy velcro lining the inside? Looks like the OSOE and ICE tactical do, any others?

I'd like something wider than 1.5", and something pretty rigid.

SuicideHz

11-22-10, 20:34

Kary made me a 1.75" out of CB with FG buckle. I had him add loop Velcro to it for a small fee.

SuicideHz

11-22-10, 20:51

You definitely want to talk to Kary.

I'm looking for one of these belts to go inside my BFG padded belt. Which of these belts have fuzzy velcro lining the inside? Looks like the OSOE and ICE tactical do, any others?

I'd like something wider than 1.5", and something pretty rigid.

Tzoid

11-22-10, 21:07

Kary made me a 1.75" out of CB with FG buckle. I had him add loop Velcro to it for a small fee.

From Kary about CB 1.5" Belts

"Right now we are stuck with black, I have a vendor working on coyote but that is going to take a bit of time. No one currently makes that webbing spec in 1.5 so there is word of a custom order from the mill being put in by one of the vendors (orders are built in 10,000 yrd batchs). "

So Black only for now in 1.5" and contact him about 1.75" as SuicideHz stated above...

Tzoid

11-23-10, 13:26

Kary also needs to delete some messages from his PM because he's at capacity and will not get anymore messages.

If you are following this thread My waist measures 38" with a tailor tape. :big_boss:

Gatorbait

11-26-10, 09:58

Just ordered my 2nd belt from Kary. My wife got ahold of the first one, and won't give it back until I get her one.

While she is most often correct, she is always right.......

SW-Shooter

11-26-10, 19:41

Although I cannot attest to the quality of the belt (mine is enroute), I will say Kary is an excellent communicator. He leaves no doubt of what is going on, he responds quickly to emails and takes the time to keep you informed and ensures all of your questions are answered.

Reserved for upcoming review.

espnazi

11-26-10, 21:06

Kary is a stand up guy. I guess I better place my order for my second belt from him before he gets to popular and has Raven like wait times.:p

SmokeJumper

11-28-10, 19:33

I took delivery of one of Endeavor's belts this weekend. I went with a 1.75" coyote riggers style belt with a foliage cobra buckle. It is well made, more along the lines of engineered rather just another riggers belt. I did not have any other cobra buckle belts to compare it to yet due to the long lead times of other makers. I compared it side to side with Wilderness Instructor belts and OSOE and Mercwerx belts that I currently have. It was just as rigid as the 5-stitch Wilderness belts and much stiffer with more support than the OSOE and Merwerx belts.
Kary is a stand up guy and we spoke a lot over the sizing and construction. He was willing to answer all my questions and work with me on the sizing to accommodate my carry/use application. A thanks to Tzoid for informing us on the Endeavor belts.

Belmont31R

11-28-10, 21:33

Do the cobra buckles rust when exposed to sweat? Several of the riggers belts Ive tried have rusted leaving rust stains in my pants and shirts.

Ive been using a Mercwerx riggers belt since 2006 and been happy with it. Majority of the time I used a Filson bridle leather belt. I got a silver buckle from somewhere, and most of its finish is gone.

Dave L.

11-28-10, 23:43

Do the cobra buckles rust when exposed to sweat? Several of the riggers belts Ive tried have rusted leaving rust stains in my pants and shirts.

No, the Cobra buckles are made from Aluminum and I believe the color is anodized on.
My black Cobra buckle has the finish worn off on the back from contact with the metal button on jeans. It's just a small shiny spot smaller than a dime.
The Cobra buckle will not stain your pants.

SmokeJumper

11-29-10, 11:57

There should be no issue with rust on the Cobra buckle, as stated they are anodized. That was one reason I chose it to try. I know that the Wilderness Instructor belts will not rust on the buckles as well.

Tzoid

11-29-10, 14:22

rob_s

11-29-10, 14:24

I just received my 1.5 Cobra belt from Kary and it is as Smokejumper has stated very good quality. The one detail I didn't think about is that with the cobra buckle you will have to remove it and thread the belt through the loops on jeans or pants with 1.5" loops. It's not a big deal but figured I would put that out there.

So far I like mine

I look at it as having to put the belt on the same way I would with an instructor belt with the traditional buckle, but with the added flexibility of getting in and out of my pants during the day without having to un-thread things.

bleaman225

11-29-10, 22:50

I look at it as having to put the belt on the same way I would with an instructor belt with the traditional buckle, but with the added flexibility of getting in and out of my pants during the day without having to un-thread things.

I make it even simpler for myself by wearing the same pair of pants for weeks on end :sarcastic:
Seriously though, it does make the trips to the john much quicker and my girlfriend loves it due to simplicity compared to my Wilderness

Kevin P

12-08-10, 22:01

I just received my 1.5 cobra belt from Kary. This is a well made belt and Kary was a pleasure to work with. The belt is stiff and supportive.

On my jeans I am able to thread the cobra buckle through my belt loops like a regular belt. It might be dependent on the belt loops of different pants and such. Either way this would not bother me.

I snapped some pics that I will try and get up tom. It looks like the belt a page or 2 back that someone posted. It is a nice clean look.

Tzoid

12-08-10, 22:14

I agree....well executed

Mine is exactly like the photos I posted , Kary does nice work.

Robb Jensen

12-08-10, 22:28

I agree....well executed

Mine is exactly like the photos I posted , Kary does nice work.

Yep! Got mine today. VERY NICE! :D

espnazi

12-08-10, 22:31

So is the new 1.5" from kary standard production?
I have one of his old ones and it has been working great, just a bit more effort to undo for trips to the restroom.

SeriousStudent

12-08-10, 22:46

I have a belt on its way from Kary. Very easy guy to deal with.

endeavor

12-09-10, 00:41

So is the new 1.5" from kary standard production?
I have one of his old ones and it has been working great, just a bit more effort to undo for trips to the restroom.

I can still do the older style but the new style has a better feel to it, since I have worn both. My girlfriend wears one of my older style ones and she won't give it up for a new one. She doesnt know she is getting a 1.5 cobra belt in pink for christmas.

I am very glad everyone likes their belts, I have been sweating it this week waiting for the postal service to delivery them. So it is a load off my mind knowing that everyone likes them.

Again thank you to everyone for the business and support.

And I just received another batch of 1.5 cobra buckles today.

kary

rob_s

12-09-10, 04:51

Good on ya Kary, and by all accounts it sounds like you're quite the standup guy and putting out a good product. We need more guys like you in this business.

As a result of this thread I wound up with two other 1.5" belts otherwise I'd definitely be ordering one of yours.

OldGreg

12-09-10, 11:59

I wanted to drop in and let everyone know that Kary has another satisfied customer. His belt is impressive! It’s very stiff, which is great because I wasn’t expecting that. I like that it holds the curved body shape … and it’s stiff enough that I bet it’d take some effort to flatten it out, lol.

My rig thus far has been on a double layer leather duty belt, but thanks to this forum, I got curious enough to try out a nylon belt, this is my 1st Nylon/Cobra buckle belt, and I look forward to trying it out at my next league meet.

Ps… thanks Rob_S.. I appreciate your explanation of the use of a Cobra buckle:

I look at it as having to put the belt on the same way I would with an instructor belt with the traditional buckle, but with the added flexibility of getting in and out of my pants during the day without having to un-thread things.
I’m thinking I would’ve been disappointed that I couldn’t feed the buckle through my holster loops, had I’d not read your opinion before hand. Now it all makes sense… :D

endeavor

12-12-10, 15:08

Thank you to everyone for their help and motivation in developing something new, I have really enjoyed working with the forum users to develop this. Jake from Ares gear had emailed me and made me aware of this discussion so thank you goes out to him as well.

I know some have expressed an interest in a 1.5 cobra belt in a coyote color. So yesterday when I got off duty I came home to find the new webbing neatly stacked at my door.

The webbing spec is slightly different than black, its is less coarse than the black but it is still stiff, the way it should be and I would expect it to be able to comfortable hold either a range weapon, CCW or EDC stuff.

So for those of you who are interested, here are some photos of the first one off of the machine.

For a coyote color, it has a little green/grey added to it. I think everyone here has seen the wide swings in colors shades in coyote but overall I think it is a good color.

thank you
kary
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff151/chute43/cobra%20belts/100_0322.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff151/chute43/cobra%20belts/100_0323.jpg

SeriousStudent

12-12-10, 15:29

Hi Kary,

I received my belt yesterday, and am wearing it now. It's well made, and a very good value for the money.

I'll definitely be ordering one of the Cobra 1.5" belts.

Thanks for the speedy service! :)

Gatorbait

12-12-10, 22:37

I just received my 2nd Endevour belt and it is just as good as the first one. I have been wearing the first for almost 2 months now, and it is still my favorite.

One unexpected discovery is that when I use the Endevour belt on my pants and wear a Balckhawk belt around(on top of) it, the buckle of the endevour belt fits in the area right in behind the buckle of the Blackhawk belt, in the sort of "notch". I need to post some pictures of it, because I don't think I can describe it correctly. However, it is really great when one piece of gear works well with another.

Thanks again Kary,

gb

deuce9166

12-13-10, 17:09

My 1.5 Endevour belt has been shipped and I am going to order a 1.75 for SWAT.

Great service!

Robb Jensen

12-13-10, 17:55

Awesome it looks great in Coyote. I want one! :cool:

Thank you to everyone for their help and motivation in developing something new, I have really enjoyed working with the forum users to develop this. Jake from Ares gear had emailed me and made me aware of this discussion so thank you goes out to him as well.

I know some have expressed an interest in a 1.5 cobra belt in a coyote color. So yesterday when I got off duty I came home to find the new webbing neatly stacked at my door.

The webbing spec is slightly different than black, its is less coarse than the black but it is still stiff, the way it should be and I would expect it to be able to comfortable hold either a range weapon, CCW or EDC stuff.

So for those of you who are interested, here are some photos of the first one off of the machine.

For a coyote color, it has a little green/grey added to it. I think everyone here has seen the wide swings in colors shades in coyote but overall I think it is a good color.

thank you
kary
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff151/chute43/cobra%20belts/100_0322.jpg
http://i237.photobucket.com/albums/ff151/chute43/cobra%20belts/100_0323.jpg

SW-Shooter

12-23-10, 22:08

A full month after I received the 1.5 inch belt from Endeavor aka Kary, I've worn it daily for almost 10 hours per day. I think enough time to give this quick review.

First off this is a very good belt, in fact better than the Wilderness and 5.11 belts I've owned in the past. When worn with jeans I do have to remove the buckle to put the belt through the belt loops, but with my other daily wear "tactical" style pants that is unnecessary.

The belt is very firm but not to the point where it makes it noticeable or even the least bit uncomfortable. It allows the holster, a Raven IWB for a G30SF coupled with an Insight WX150; to be worn with great comfort and concealment considering this is not exactly a small holster set up.

Dollar for dollar I doubt anyone can beat the value, build quality, or comfort of this belt. I've gone over it from front to back, not a loose stitch or flaw after 30 days of daily use. I can vouch personally for Kary's customer service, it is on par with the likes of Larue Tactical, Bravo Company, and our very own G&R Tactical (other companies I've done business with). I use these names only as an example of what you can expect from Endeavor.

I will be purchasing the newest Dark Earth version after the wallet gets some rest after Christmas. This belt is good enough to own more than one.

Disclosure: I am only a customer and have no other affiliation with Endeavor, Kary, or any other part of this company.

B.K.

12-23-10, 22:57

Kary do you have different color Cobra buckles?

Avenger29

12-23-10, 23:07

I ordered a VTAC belt tonight after figuring out the sizing I needed. Their website says backordered, so I don't know when it'll actually show up.

endeavor

12-23-10, 23:18

Kary do you have different color Cobra buckles?

As of right now the 1.5 buckles only come in black, but I did make a special request into my supplier for the buckles for a batch done in coyote. This will be the first place I post them up when they come in. If I had a christmas list coyote brown 1.5 cobra buckle would have been on it.

In the 1.75 buckles I do have the normal colors, black, desert tan and foliage green.

Hopefully they will listen to the public and increase their color specturm, they are very cool guys, I had to deal with them directly earlier this week .

I will keep you posted.

kary

Linea_de_Fuego

12-25-10, 13:31

Kary,

I waited for Christmas to open my belt.

Outstanding, great service and highly recommended. Merry Christmas and wishing you continued success with your business.

Tzoid

08-01-11, 12:53

Well after 6 months of wearing my Cobra Belt I have come to the conclusion that it's very well made and does everything I could ever want but the Cobra Buckle is a PAIN IN THE ASS. :(

Don't get me wrong I like it but the effort it takes to remove the buckle everytime I wear the belt is just (for me ) not worth it's supposed added benefits.

I'll go back to my standard 5 stitch Instructors belts. I find them easier to use and just as robust as the Cobra buckled belts.

rob_s

08-01-11, 13:16

Tzoid, do you find that it takes more effort to put on the Cobra belt than the instructor belt? if so, how?

Jones Tactical

08-01-11, 13:22

I was wanting to know how he puts on ANY belt.

Tzoid

08-01-11, 13:23

Tzoid, do you find that it takes more effort to put on the Cobra belt than the instructor belt? if so, how?

Exactly.... the instructor belt threads through my belt loops easily and the Cobra doesn't without removing one end of the buckle , threading the belt and then putting the buckle back on the belt.

I'll keep the belt I have but I prefer the Instructor belts.

SteveL

08-01-11, 13:31

Exactly.... the instructor belt threads through my belt loops easily and the Cobra doesn't without removing one end of the buckle , threading the belt and then putting the buckle back on the belt.

I'll keep the belt I have but I prefer the Instructor belts.

So it's threading the buckle through your belt loops that you feel is a pain? If this is the case, are you using a 1.75" belt or a 1.5" belt? Do you think it would make a difference if you were using a belt like this one (http://www.aresgear.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&cPath=33&products_id=6) that uses a 1" buckle on a 1.5" belt?

rob_s

08-01-11, 13:31

I'm still confused.

On the instructor belts I have I loop the nylon trough the buckle, back through on the other side of the adjuster bar, and then pull it tight.

On the Cobra belts I have I loop the nylon trough the buckle, back through on the other side of the adjuster bar, and then pull it tight.

I seem to be missing the extra steps. I'm not "removing one end of the buckle". At the end of the day I do the reverse of the above, leaving the buckle attached to itself, and remove the belt from my pants.

Jones Tactical

08-01-11, 13:33

Rob,

Your doing it right, some folks are "different".

Tzoid

08-01-11, 13:35

My Belt is a 1.5" with 1.5" Cobra Buckle by Endeavor and the Belt is awesome . This is only a problem with Jeans and not my VertX or 5.11 pants.

Just an observation on what works better for me....not bashing the concept :cool:

Tzoid

08-01-11, 13:37

Tzoid

08-01-11, 13:39

leaving the buckle attached to itself, and remove the belt from my pants.

Oh Shit..... :D

SteveL

08-12-11, 12:52

I've been in need of a new belt for a while and I've always wondered what all the fuss was about with this kind of belt. I tried a nylon belt once before from Blackhawk and it sucked (go figure). I started going through all the Cobra belt makers I found listed on this site and got into contact with Kary at Endeavor Stitch Works. I talked to Kary a couple of times on the phone and he's great to work with. I received my belt today. It's 1.5" in Coyote with a black Cobra buckle. The belt is extremely well made and has a great amount of stiffness. This is my first experience with a Cobra buckle. As soon as I put the belt on with my holster and spare mag carrier I knew what the fuss was about. It's extremely comfortable and supports my gun, mag, and phone way better than the old leather belt it's replacing (which was not made for carry). Obviously I can't comment on its durability at this point, but unless it just falls apart for some reason I can't seen any reason that it won't last a very long time. Anyway I'm very impressed with this belt and happy to finally have a good belt for EDC.

kdcgrohl

08-12-11, 14:15

rob_s

08-12-11, 14:17

Since this thread is awake again, why not...

Late last year I decided I needed something more supportive than my old leather belt for CCW purposes. I read through all the threads I could find on the subject and something about the CTOMS X-belt QR 1.5 struck me.

I've been wearing this very well make belt since last Christmas and couldn't be happier. Been thinking about getting another just to have on hand.

I'm wearing one of those as I type this. I wish they had a different way of securing the loose end than the elastic band. It's about the only thing I dislike about this belt. I've been thinking of cutting the end, and this post reminds me I should go ahead and do that.

kdcgrohl

08-12-11, 14:43

I'm wearing one of those as I type this. I wish they had a different way of securing the loose end than the elastic band. It's about the only thing I dislike about this belt. I've been thinking of cutting the end, and this post reminds me I should go ahead and do that.

I'm wearing a size M/L according to the tags, I'm a size 34or36 pants. I cut roughly a foot off mine so that the "tail", 6"s or so, is secured under the 11 o'clock loop on my work parts, very securely I might add. My extra mag carrier aids in retention. Unfortunately, I also have use the elastic band in my non-work type pants, but that isn't ever day, so no big deal.