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Had some request from some here at M4 for me to get back on here and let them know what I am up to.
No I'm not dead!! still kickin. Had some personal Life stuff to work through, life now is A1+ things are going great!!!
I'm still building my piston uppers, thing is every one I am able to build I am selling right here at home, most are going to soldiers at Fort Bragg, some have ended up in the sand box, word of mouth has kept me busy!
I have come to a crossroads........................... after the first of the year I have decided to build my Piston uppers full time. I have also been talking to a top tier AR manufacture in regards to my Piston upper. I am also looking at fielding a new cartridge that a friend has been working on for several years that fits/shoots in the AR15 platform....... its awesome !!!
Also to you guys here who bought one of my Piston uppers, let me say Thank you!! I have had a couple request for some extra piston springs, which I would be glad to send out free. I would like to hear any of your comments you have regarding your ADC piston uppers.................Thanks..................AD
RogerinTPA
11-22-09, 09:06
AD,
Glad to see you are still around. Glad to see your business didn't go Tango Uniform.:cool:
Any price changes on your uppers from your original thread?
Any configuration changes/product improvements?
Whats the wait time from order to delivery?
Thanks,
Roger
Arnold,
Glad to see you around. I will be pinging you when I get back home.... have a few questions. Take care and good luck.
Rodger,
I am back logged about 2-3 weeks depending on the barrel 11.5, 14.5, 16, .
I have tried to keep the price down, but had to increase it a little ( shipping cost as well as some parts have gone up)
I have tweaked some of the specs. on my uppers, but they haven't really changed, just some specs. to make the manufacture a little easier.
I am very pleased with the way the ADC uppers have been doing, I have had almost 0 problems, and the couple were just a brain fart forgetting to tighten up the handguard screws, I have developed a check list system to take care of that, and as always each upper is fired at least 30 rds., with an e-otech at 80 yards to make sure the upper prints where it should.
Good to hear from you Iraqguns
The picture is the new cartridge that I am working on with a friend, its a 6.5 S. Its on the left in the picture, M855 (62g) on the right. The 6.5S fires a 6.5 144g fmj bullet, and can be had in the AR15/M16 platform using 6.8 mags!!
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/65002.jpg
LettersFromEarth
11-25-09, 20:18
Very interesting... What's the specs on the case? What powder(s) will be used? Any other bullet weights in the future? Do bugs have friends?
As a new fan of the piston set up (still lovin the DI, though) I'd like to learn more about your product and efforts. Please keep us posted and welcome back, sir.
The case is basically a mini 308, it was ( like some others) taken from the 30 Remington, the powder capacity is 34grns. The neat thing about it is the 144grn. Lapua bullet ( that ant no joke ) and the fact it runs in the AR/M16 weapon system full auto like it was designed to ( it was designed that way, no special barrel extension rework :-) The 144 bullet has a BC of .636! in comparison the 30. cal. M118LR bullet has a BC of.496, and the MK262 of .362 BC.
The guy who developed this round has been working on this project for 3+ years and has it developed into a very dependable round loaded it in many different loadings from 95v-max to the 144grn with great results.
I have a 16" middy upper with my piston system on it I will post some pictures in the next couple days. The pictures below are two of my piston guns in 5.56 with a Troy and DD rail.......................AD
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/DSC00038.jpg
RogerinTPA
11-26-09, 20:21
What are the current prices on those two ADC?
Do you have a website up?
Roger
No website up ( no way to have the time to keep up a site, but after I jump into this full time I might start working on that )
The 16" upper with the DD 9.5 FSP is $1565 shipped, that's a little discount for the M4 folks...................AD
rocket 442
11-30-09, 17:11
The case is basically a mini 308, it was ( like some others) taken from the 30 Remington, the powder capacity is 34grns. The neat thing about it is the 144grn. Lapua bullet ( that ant no joke ) and the fact it runs in the AR/M16 weapon system full auto like it was designed to ( it was designed that way, no special barrel extension rework :-) The 144 bullet has a BC of .636! in comparison the 30. cal. M118LR bullet has a BC of.496, and the MK262 of .362 BC.
The guy who developed this round has been working on this project for 3+ years and has it developed into a very dependable round loaded it in many different loadings from 95v-max to the 144grn with great results.
I have a 16" middy upper with my piston system on it I will post some pictures in the next couple days. The pictures below are two of my piston guns in 5.56 with a Troy and DD rail.......................AD
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/DSC00038.jpg
in the 1986 gundigest there was an article of a .30 cal based on the .223 called the .30 apache. i always wondered why nobody used that rnd in an ar platform. seems it would fit & mags wouldn't be a problem.
M1A2_Tanker
11-30-09, 23:16
Tagged for interest.
The case is basically a mini 308, it was ( like some others) taken from the 30 Remington, the powder capacity is 34grns. The neat thing about it is the 144grn. Lapua bullet ( that ant no joke ) and the fact it runs in the AR/M16 weapon system full auto like it was designed to ( it was designed that way, no special barrel extension rework :-) The 144 bullet has a BC of .636! in comparison the 30. cal. M118LR bullet has a BC of.496, and the MK262 of .362 BC.
The guy who developed this round has been working on this project for 3+ years and has it developed into a very dependable round loaded it in many different loadings from 95v-max to the 144grn with great results.
I have a 16" middy upper with my piston system on it I will post some pictures in the next couple days. The pictures below are two of my piston guns in 5.56 with a Troy and DD rail.......................AD
Not gonna lie, this round sounds extremely interesting to me. I would love to see how it performs (velocity with different weights, ease of reloading, general accuracy, etc.), and how it compares to the 6.8 SPC and 6.5 Grendel. If you ever get more info that you can share on it, please do!
-B
Its an ass kicker round, and to think it works so well in the AR/M16 platform is awesome. I will post some ballistic info in the coming days. As far as comparing it to the 6.8, it kinda boils down to the available of match grade 6.5 bullets with some excellent BC figures compared to the bullets that are being loaded in the 6.8 SPC. Compared to the 6.5 Grendle its neck and neck, although there doesn't seem to be anyone loading the 144 Lapua in the Grendle that I have found. What does set it apart from the Grendle is the way and ease that it feeds and functions with standard M4 barrel extensions, due to a smaller diameter tapered case and a set back shoulder, it functions FULL AUTO without a hitch. Can ya tell I'm excited!
The rifle in the picture is my 6.5S ADC midlength gas piston, this rifle has been 100% reliable and very accurate!
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC65013.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC65014.jpg
Hmmm, I think that cartridge is ripe for a Berger 140 grain VLD moly coated bullet. Hope you can get some range time over a chronograph.
Nice looking self defense tools, too. :D
Here is a special build,Vltor Mur upper, Bravo 14.5 barrel, DD sights. This one belongs to a young lad just getting his feet wet in SF.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC65002.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC65005.jpg
Thanks, Yes I really like the Berger bullets, I have shot my share of the 30 cal VLD's, I will defiantly have to load up some in the 6.5s and see how they do!!
I am building an 18" 6.5S upper using a Satern cut rifled SS blank, I think the Bergers will like it!!
Hmmm, I think that cartridge is ripe for a Berger 140 grain VLD moly coated bullet. Hope you can get some range time over a chronograph.
Nice looking self defense tools, too. :D
Here is a special build,Vltor Mur upper, Bravo 14.5 barrel, DD sights. This one belongs to a young lad just getting his feet wet in SF.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC65002.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC65005.jpg
Arnold, that is one awesome carbine.
I put a lot of rounds through one of your carbines when Mark was doing his testing and I came away very impressed.
I need to get with you shortly to order an upper for myself.
Heavy Metal
12-24-09, 18:08
Had some request from some here at M4 for me to get back on here and let them know what I am up to.
No I'm not dead!! still kickin. Had some personal Life stuff to work through, life now is A1+ things are going great!!!
I'm still building my piston uppers, thing is every one I am able to build I am selling right here at home, most are going to soldiers at Fort Bragg, some have ended up in the sand box, word of mouth has kept me busy!
I have come to a crossroads........................... after the first of the year I have decided to build my Piston uppers full time. I have also been talking to a top tier AR manufacture in regards to my Piston upper. I am also looking at fielding a new cartridge that a friend has been working on for several years that fits/shoots in the AR15 platform....... its awesome !!!
Also to you guys here who bought one of my Piston uppers, let me say Thank you!! I have had a couple request for some extra piston springs, which I would be glad to send out free. I would like to hear any of your comments you have regarding your ADC piston uppers.................Thanks..................AD
Remember, at South Hills a couple of years ago, I said I want one with a Cold Hammer Forged barrel and this 'Top Tier' manufacturer you are talking(and I know who it is but I ain't spillin' the beans;)) to is big into CHF barrels at the moment.
So don't forget me!:p
Hey Paul!
Yea You and Mark really put some rounds through that upper, over 6K without cleaning or lube and no hiccups :eek:
BTW I am still shooting the Mark upper!!
I have some Mur uppers coming in, LMK..........
Heavy Metal
Just finished a couple 16" uppers with Hammer forged barrels..............;)
heartbreakridge01
12-29-09, 17:03
Welcome back! Do you have a website?
Heavy Metal
12-29-09, 17:14
Hey Paul!
Yea You and Mark really put some rounds through that upper, over 6K without cleaning or lube and no hiccups :eek:
BTW I am still shooting the Mark upper!!
I have some Mur uppers coming in, LMK..........
Heavy Metal
Just finished a couple 16" uppers with Hammer forged barrels..............;)
Really? Do tell!
Looks like I will be in touch with you about the middle of next year then!
Welcome back! Do you have a website?
No, but Im working on one, hope to have it up sometime in Jan/Feb 2010
Really? Do tell!
Looks like I will be in touch with you about the middle of next year then!
Heavy M
Yea I will be building more of my uppers with HF barrels, right now in the 16' & 14.5' carbine flavors, I will be doing some 16' mid length uppers here soon, also doing some with Vltor Mur uppers :)
ALSO
I put my system on a 5.45 barrel, it gets very nasty shooting the Rusky stuff, and smells weird, but its lots of cheap fun! :D AD
Just received a batch of 14.5 DD HAMERED barrels !!!!! :D
Very cool! Do you have a website by chance? I've been looking but haven't found anything yet.
(Also... Tell us more about that 6.5S...) :p
-B
Still working on a web site, had to go another route so taking a little more time.
The 6.5 S is an awesome round, we have been shooting it allot, we have been talking to a couple manufactures about producing brass and ammo, we have reloading dies already worked out ( been reloading a bunch and working great ), no problem with barrels, I have a couple reamers and been getting contoured blanks from a couple manufactures.
OK something a little different
Something I have been working on for a little while, how's about an ADC piston 308 AR, been shooting it all weekend, been having a blast............
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC10017.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC10015.jpg
Arnold -
Love my 11.5 - for the rest here is some gun porn to enjoy:
1200 rounds thru it to date
http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/dmcfa001/DSC00448.jpg
http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/dmcfa001/DSC00447.jpg
Read thru this thread. What is available now ? Caliburs? Is there a date you are shooting for on the 308 and 6.5 roughly ? I have an AR10 I would like the piston set up on ( 6.5 Reedmoor ).
Thanks bayonet14 for the report and pictures, glad you are happy with your upper, please keep me informed!! those YHM cans are nice cans for the money.
I just noticed your lower :D
Arnold -
Love my 11.5 - for the rest here is some gun porn to enjoy:
1200 rounds thru it to date
http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/dmcfa001/DSC00448.jpg
http://i953.photobucket.com/albums/ae18/dmcfa001/DSC00447.jpg
Read thru this thread. What is available now ? Caliburs? Is there a date you are shooting for on the 308 and 6.5 roughly ? I have an AR10 I would like the piston set up on ( 6.5 Reedmoor ).
The 308 is something I have been wonting to do when I got my 556 upper perfected, and that's done!! I will have to put some major rounds through the 308 until I am satisfied with it, believe me there is allot of differences between 556 and 308 when it comes to the reliability factor.
I am currently building my ADC 556 uppers in 11.5, 12.5, 14.5, and 16, using Bravo Co. and Daniel Defense barrels. I am looking into building some 18" midlength uppers sometime this year, also have some 6.8 spc barrels in the pipe line this year too.
The 6.5 is an excellent option to the heavier 308 ars, and it runs in the m4 platform with out any need for tuning the standard m4 barrel extension to it, it was designed that way.The 6.5 is the perfect platform for the modern assault rifle from 0-10 feet to 300-600 yards and even to 800 in special rifle set ups.
We are working with a couple ammo producers to get some ammo commercially produced as well as working with some units that have taken notice of the potential of it.
Here is some more porn!!
From L to R ( all are ADC piston set ups )
ADC 308 20"barrel, ADC M4 5.56 14.5 barrel, ADC M4 5.45 16" barrel and ADC M4 6.5S 16" barrel. No typo, yes that's my 5.45 Russian.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADCguns021.jpg
The 6.5 144 gr FMJ flies pretty well, but has relatively poor soft tissue performance--I'd recommend selecting a different projectile for optimal incapacitation potential.
your piston uppers with the daniel defense 9.5 fsp are perfect. I've always thought piston uppers looked weird with that huge gas block, but that rail is awesome with them.
your piston uppers with the daniel defense 9.5 fsp are perfect. I've always thought piston uppers looked weird with that huge gas block, but that rail is awesome with them.
Thanks rav3,
I have tried every handguard out there and the DD 9.5 fsp is hands down the best looking as well as functional handguard I could find. I haven't spared any expense on my uppers.....................AD
The 6.5 144 gr FMJ flies pretty well, but has relatively poor soft tissue performance--I'd recommend selecting a different projectile for optimal incapacitation potential.
Yes you are right about its soft tissue performance, we have loads using the best OTM bullets from the 107 to the 142, but we also wonted a bullet that would be good on moderate hard targets as well, when we get commercial ammo loaded we will have some different loadings to support different needs.................AD
Finished the piston 308, I have about 300 rounds through it so far, its really looking good, got to dig up a good scope and work on the trigger though.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC308008.jpg
I cut the barrel back to 18" still shootin pretty good, thats a 10 shot on my steel at 100 yards.
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC308012.jpg
ADC, that is one good looking 308 battle rifle. If you dont mind what parts did you use to put together that upper?
Thanks bubba,
The upper is all DPMS bolt/carrier but the barrel is an Armalite take off I had here at the shop. The carrier is heavily modified, and lightened up some, I also made my own buffer. I removed the barrel extension from the barrel and faced the chamber back a little, which created a short chamber, I then recut the chamber with a match reamer and head spaced it tighter than most factory rifles. Looks like it will be a great shooter when I get some better glass and some good ammo in it.
Looking good! Since you and I are local...what are the chances of you doing up 6.5 upper? Let me know or let John know at Shooters...
Thanks bubba,
The upper is all DPMS bolt/carrier but the barrel is an Armalite take off I had here at the shop. The carrier is heavily modified, and lightened up some, I also made my own buffer. I removed the barrel extension from the barrel and faced the chamber back a little, which created a short chamber, I then recut the chamber with a match reamer and head spaced it tighter than most factory rifles. Looks like it will be a great shooter when I get some better glass and some good ammo in it.
Looking good! Since you and I are local...what are the chances of you doing up 6.5 upper? Let me know or let John know at Shooters...
Be glad to, sent you a message.............
New batch of Daniel Defense hammer forged 14.5 barrels
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/ADC10001.jpg
A piston .308 with an 18" barrel - perfect! Where do I place my deposit?!
Paul
A piston .308 with an 18" barrel - perfect! Where do I place my deposit?!
Paul
Yea I like the 18" it has a good balance to it.......
It wont be long, I have over 600 rds through it now and its is shooting great!!
I have contacted Rock Creek barrels about some 5R ss barrels:D ...............AD
Have just over 600 rds through the 308 piston, working great, talked to my supplier of my 5.56 piston carriers and there will be a 308 one piece piston carrier here soon!!............................
Any idea of a price range within which a 308 will fall?
Paul
I am working out the details for the cost of the 308 piston uppers, the 308 parts are a bit more costly than the 556 stuff and Im looking at top quality barrels for my builds, I will post something as soon as I have it pined down....................AD
ADC,
I'm definitely interested in a .308 gas piston upper. Wish you the best of luck.
Took some pictures for the web site, should have it up in a couple weeks, how does the wood board background look??........................AD
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/webpictures011.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/webpictures012.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/308ar014.jpg
http://i182.photobucket.com/albums/x255/metalmole/308ar006.jpg
Looks good, although I personally prefer a lighter background when photographing black rifles.
Paul
Is that NF glass on your .308? And I see a tad of a change to the BCG i.e. anti tilt pad area...less mass needed I take it?
Arnold I also have a dealer in TX that has quite some intrest in your design...let me know if I can pass on your contact info. And another shameless plug - John should be buzzing you abut another 14.5 upper - helped sell one to a young lad yesterday in the shop...and he was STOKED! He really like the "quick" ability to change the gas regulator setting should he switch from running a hotter NATO load to a cost effective "dirty" say Wolf type ammo - and the ability for ease of take down of the op rod for cleaning/service and NOT have to remove any device/optic from the top rail.
Looks good, although I personally prefer a lighter background when photographing black rifles.
Paul
Thanks Paul,
I will have to try a lighter background, I think someone told me light blue would work .............
Is that NF glass on your .308? And I see a tad of a change to the BCG i.e. anti tilt pad area...less mass needed I take it?
Arnold I also have a dealer in TX that has quite some intrest in your design...let me know if I can pass on your contact info. And another shameless plug - John should be buzzing you abut another 14.5 upper - helped sell one to a young lad yesterday in the shop...and he was STOKED! He really like the "quick" ability to change the gas regulator setting should he switch from running a hotter NATO load to a cost effective "dirty" say Wolf type ammo - and the ability for ease of take down of the op rod for cleaning/service and NOT have to remove any device/optic from the top rail.
Hey thanks for the help at the gun store, word of mouth has really helped me around Fayetteville/Fort Bragg.
The scope is Leupold M4 16x, its a very nice scope. I talked to the NF guys at the last Shot Show, they have some very nice scopes.
Yea you can pass my info on to anyone who is interested in one of my uppers..............Thanks again for the help...........keep in touch..................Arnold
I have one of these uppers in 5.56MM. I have 1K rds. thru it so far and it runs like a Raped Ape. I am keeping track in a Maintenance log.
I have not cleaned it yet, nor do I plan on doing so, any time soon. I have only used a small amount of lube so far and still no issues. I expect to put thousands of rds. thru it this year. Based on what I have seen so far, I do not expect to have any issues. But, I will report any issues as they occur.
I paid full price for it and owe nothing to anyone. The upper is beautifully put together with hand picked, top quality parts, it is overbuilt. It is not nearly as heavy, nor as meaty, or clunky as some other competing designs. It is lighter than a Colt 6920 upper in my opinion, although I did not put either on a scale. It seems to be an advantage to be able to purchase just the upper, instead of having to buy a whole G.P. gun.
The focus seems to be on quality of construction and not volume of production. A unique perspective in today's market place. :eek:
ADC,
Since the old post with all of the info on your 5.56 piston was lost, is there any chance you could post new pictures and other info on it? Also have you tried it on a 6.8 spc yet?
Thanks.
That was a real bummer losing the pictures and all of Marks hard work!!
I am in the process of getting a web site up, I am doing some new pictures for it, so I will post some of those here in the coming days.
My uppers haven't changed much, although I am making some new gas cylinders and pistons out of some different materials, trying to improve them as much as I can !! My current parts have been working 100%, to this date haven't had any problems, but I am always working on any improvements that would add that much more to my design.......................Thanks...................Arnold
ADC,
Since the old post with all of the info on your 5.56 piston was lost, is there any chance you could post new pictures and other info on it? Also have you tried it on a 6.8 spc yet?
Thanks.
Yes have built my system around the 6.8, some 16" 18" uppers and some 12" sbr as well. Its a perfect combination, they have been great shooters and very reliable...............ADC
UsnRoberts
05-26-10, 16:38
Man some great looking uppers. Does anyone have a link for the website?
Man some great looking uppers. Does anyone have a link for the website?
Working on a web site, I will be posting address shortly.
Tagged for website info.
Those are some really nice looking uppers. Love the way those DD lite rails just blend everything together.:D
Hello new website... good bye money.
Keep us posted! I have been looking for a SBR upper for a while and while I have been poking around at the PWS 7.62x39 upper this may take the cake, there is not as many options of 7.62x39 as there are with 5.56.
Does anyone have some detailed close-up photos of the gas piston parts they can post?
TIA.
Please excuse the ignorance. Would I have seen the 6.5S anywhere else, and how does it differ from the 6.5 Grendel? Just in the use of the 144 gr Lapua bullet?
IS ADC still in business? I tried their web page and it is no longer active.
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