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I have mainly used single point slings attached at the rear of the receiver on my two AR 15s. I purchased a Vickers and I do like it a lot. My question: do you prefer the rear end attached at the butt or at the receiver? Advantages and disadvantages of each. I currently have one of my LMTs set up with QD mount at the receiver. Seems OK but I have not put it through its paces to see how it works.
I like it at the butt of the weapon, as it prevents the butt from then swinging away from the body.
It also seems to give me more sling that I can adjust.
I tried both, and settled on the pictured configuration, except I am using DD rails and an Aimpoint now.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/SHIVAN308/Stuff/SSDC-SHIVANShortDotCarbine-1.jpg
Primary reason being the transition control necessary for switching from dominant to non-dominant shoulder and not wanting the "wet beagle" hanging out away from my body.
I tried both, and settled on the pictured configuration, except I am using DD rails and an Aimpoint now.
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/SHIVAN308/Stuff/SSDC-SHIVANShortDotCarbine-1.jpg
Primary reason being the transition control necessary for switching from dominant to non-dominant shoulder and not wanting the "wet beagle" hanging out away from my body.
Same thing here on my MRP.;)
I attach mine to the end of receiver. I tried the end of buttstock too, and sling tends to choke me during transitions to the opposite shoulder.
I run mine like SHIVAN has his pictured, except I run the front QD at the front of the rail to get a little better balance when slung. For me it really works well when transitioning to off side shoulder.
Prefer mine mounted to the end of the receiver. Makes transitions very fast and easy. Was maily using the Daniel Defense Rear Receiver QD plate but must say I really like the Noveske QD End Plate do to its size.
I use mine as pictured by Shivan. I have put them in the end of the receiver but when slung up tight the rifle stock tended to smack me in the face. The rifle, when tightened up just rode too high for me.
I have mainly used single point slings attached at the rear of the receiver on my two AR 15s. I purchased a Vickers and I do like it a lot. My question: do you prefer the rear end attached at the butt or at the receiver? Advantages and disadvantages of each. I currently have one of my LMTs set up with QD mount at the receiver. Seems OK but I have not put it through its paces to see how it works.
Receiver as it is MUCH easier to transition to your off shoulder.
C4
Receiver as it is MUCH easier to transition to your off shoulder.
User by user /personal preference issue.
I found it far more difficult and had less control of where the sling was at any given point of needing to switch.
Ran it a full day in that config, and a full two days the way I have it now. I know others have experimented and come to a different conclusion than either of us.
My AR seems to hang nicely vertical and the butt does not flop out with the sling mounted at the rear of the fore rail and rear of receiver. It is set up on a 10.5" SBR and that might be the difference. I have not tried the Vickers sling on my 16" carbine but will try both ways to see the difference.
Good replies all; thanks for the input.
If it is flopping around it may be do to the fact that you are not maintaining positve control of your weapon at all times.
If it is flopping around it may be do to the fact that you are not maintaining positve control of your weapon at all times.
So you hold your carbine with one hand and your sidearm with the other on a transition to pistol? Yeah, didn't think so. Save your snide remarks. :rolleyes:
With the sling attached to the receiver it "flopped" more than it did with the sling attached on the end of the stock. If you prefer it another way, rock on.
gruntinhusaybah
11-27-09, 14:37
SHIVAN, how are transitions to support side with the sling setup the way you have it?
SHIVAN, how are transitions to support side with the sling setup the way you have it?
I assume you mean transition to non-dominant shoulder?
It's hard to explain, but I use a method LAV taught us in one of his classes. You drop your non-dominant hand and arm through the loop so that the sling is looped around your neck, but not over your shoulder and transition to the non-dominant side.
It's pretty easy and I find that the sling is in a more controllable and natural position for me.
gruntinhusaybah
11-27-09, 15:09
:cool:solid copy, thanks
BTW, I am insanely jealous of that gorgeous gun you have there
It's hard to explain, but I use a method LAV taught us in one of his classes. You drop your non-dominant hand and arm through the loop so that the sling is looped around your neck, but not over your shoulder and transition to the non-dominant side.
I've taken Larry's classes on a couple of occasions, and I vaguely remember him showing this way of switching, but correct me if I am wrong: the primary method he shows doesn't involve dropping your hand through the loop?
I've taken Larry's classes on a couple of occasions, and I vaguely remember him showing this way of switching, but correct me if I am wrong: the primary method he shows doesn't involve dropping your hand through the loop?
Can't say what he qualifies as "primary", a lot of what he teaches is tailored instruction for a particular student(s).
"Primary" was my term; in both classes I took, he taught to release a buckle, switch hands, switch shoulders, switch stance.
If it is flopping around it may be do to the fact that you are not maintaining positve control of your weapon at all times.
Who said the rifle was flopping around? The "flopping out" comment was a response to Templar's post about the butt moving away from the body with one mount VS the other. I appreciate his input as it was a response to a legitimate question.
Flopping was the word I used, but in context it does not mean lack of control. Reading really is fundamental.
I'm confident now that with my SBR, mounting the sling at the rear of the reciever gives me rock solid control of the weapon even when my hands aren't on it. It provides more positive control than the single point sling that I am used to.
I always appreciate the experience of others. Thanks to those who provided positive input. I think it is a question that others would like to know about.
Found this that ya'll may have seen before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6SbrDh6_Oo&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXs_3jGejxs
Found this that ya'll may have seen before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6SbrDh6_Oo&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXs_3jGejxs
I've not seen that. This is a great illustration.
I have the VCAS attached like Shivan and have had no problems switching rifle to either shoulder and no problem transitioning to a pistol, I actually don't drop my arm through the sling at all. With the rear sling attachment to the right side of the rear of the stock (for a right handed shooter).
I think if you cant do the transition to the support shoulder the sling is too short. Putting the attachment point on the outside of the rear of the stock mitigates the sling around your throat.
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac61/gstuffnow/DDSPR2ptSling.jpg
http://i886.photobucket.com/albums/ac61/gstuffnow/ColtHBAR2ptSling.jpg
Cameron
Found this that ya'll may have seen before:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=W6SbrDh6_Oo&feature=fvw
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WXs_3jGejxs
Homerun!!!!! -- :D
The technique LAV is using in the first video is what I do, as he taught me a couple years ago. When I tried the end of the receiver mount, and tried it at speed, I ran the end of the stock in to the sling about 5% - 10% of the time I transitioned, and in that video you can see you need to make sure to go ABOVE the sling mount point when you transition. It is the primary reason I opted for the end of the stock using a KAC QD mount.
His commentary in the second video about using the rear of the receiver is the secondary reason why I prefer the end of the stock. I like that my setup holds tight to my body, no matter if I throw it beside my non-dominant hip, twist it behind my hip like Pat Rogers teaches, or if I just drop it in place.
Here is my SBR with the padded VCAS. The padding seems to make a difference; the rifle hangs vertical and close with little effort.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/DWood13/DSC_1214-1.jpg
I run mine like SHIVAN has his pictured, except I run the front QD at the front of the rail to get a little better balance when slung. For me it really works well when transitioning to off side shoulder.
This is also what I do.
Here is my SBR with the padded VCAS. The padding seems to make a difference; the rifle hangs vertical and close with little effort.
http://i66.photobucket.com/albums/h264/DWood13/DSC_1214-1.jpg
Like the DD receiver QD mount, I have one too since I tested that method first - after switching from single point. I think the weight of the carbine/weapon makes a difference, as well as the balance of the weapon itself.
I use a padded VCAS on the 16" AR-10 seen here:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/SHIVAN308/Wyoming%202007-2009/IMG_2979.jpg
and I push the DD rail QD out a little to help it balance and lay flat, muzzle down to keep my hands free for binos, laser RF, or other tasks.
Fortunately, there is no anticipation of transitions with the heavier 22" AR-10, and less options for end of the stock QD mounts, so I went with this TD unit:
http://i235.photobucket.com/albums/ee192/SHIVAN308/SaleStuff/AR10T_338Fed_1.jpg
It moved more, but balanced Ok due to a large amount of muzzle weight vs. stock weight. (Balance)
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