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fivepointoh

03-12-07, 01:08

Guys...DPH Arms / Scott has it listed on his site now!!! Wooo hooo!!! Awaiting some details from him but it's listed at $69.95.

Some of my questions are which stocks it will work with? It attaches by removing the rear sight leaf and then also attaching it to the rear buttstock screw. I'm guessing this rules out the ACE internal receiver block. Also I'm not sure how you use the irons. I've posted these questions on AKForum and ARFCOM awaiting answers but I'm so happy about this right now I just had to post it!

http://dpharms.com/beryl-style-scope-mount-p-230.html

http://dpharms.com/images/117-1703_IMG.JPG

http://dpharms.com/images/117-1706_IMG.JPG

nickdrak

03-12-07, 14:01

You have to unscrew the upper stock screw to remove the rail in order to access/remove the top cover???:confused: YIKES!
And yeah....What about the irons?

M4Guru

03-12-07, 18:27

You don't need to clean an AK anyways...:D

Irons may be an issue...

TOrrock

03-12-07, 18:37

You don't need to clean an AK anyways...:D

Irons may be an issue...

Occasionally it's a good idea to take it apart and clean it a little.......:p

I'm not thrilled with the rear being held on by a screw that you will be taking in and out.....

I was excited at the prospect of the real deal, but not at this.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Polish/NewBeryl2.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v613/Tim_Orrock/Polish/NewBeryl4.jpg

SuicideHz

03-13-07, 18:43

I was going to say- that smells of 100% Polish Mil-spec right there. And no, I'm not trying to be funny. I remember seeing Templars Polish pics a long time ago and thinking that was a neat idea.

A screw is a no-no for back there.

No, you wouldn't be using any irons with that rail installed. That rail is OBVIOUSLY so you could use an optic. Whether it's smart to not have a BUIS is another debate but obviousy this wasn't meant to replace or allow the use of a rear optic.

They should make it 100% correct so that you HAVE to use the original style folder and not ACE garbage.

fivepointoh

03-13-07, 19:47

What's wrong w/ the ACE folders...not to get too OT...

Jay Cunningham

03-13-07, 19:58

No thanks.

I think through trial and error we figured out the optimal fighting AK layout and it don't involve a non-spec rail that prevents you from removing the dustcover and eliminates the rear iron sight.

:rolleyes:

nickdrak

03-13-07, 22:28

What's wrong w/ the ACE folders...not to get too OT...

Nothing at all. They work well. But they are not of the look or design of the traditional AK, so it bothers some.:rolleyes:

I think this DPH rail is well suited for the hobbyist AK shooter, and not much more than that, due to the screw on attachment, and lack of rear sight.
Although the Krebs new rail is likely to cost 5x as much as the DPH rail, it is a much more practical design. Maybe not for everyone, but very practical for those who desire such a set-up.

SuicideHz

03-13-07, 22:35

I always see the Ace stocks on guns where it's a new owner and they just have to fiddle with something and that's a cheaper way for them to "customize" the gun. They look cheaper to me too. I don't understand them on ARs but they obvoiusly have their place in the AK world since the folders look very much like some countries' standard sidefolders.

It's not a traditionalist versus nontraditionalist look at the AK so much as it is a look into what you are really gaining by doing certain things. Hell, a $5 gizmo on an AK might be neat. A $15 rail piece and $26 G2 flashlight with tapeswitch is just perfect. BUT trying to come up with all sorts of rather expensive ways just to mount some other goofy gear is just a waste of time and energy.

I look at it the same way as some of the kids who get the hand me down car and then rice it all out with rims, mufflers, decals, etc. instead of trading it in on something that is more appropriate for those sorts of embellishments.

nickdrak

03-14-07, 00:19

And since when is it such a bad idea to customize your guns to fit and work better for you?

Obiwan

03-14-07, 11:35

I will stick with my Ultimaks!

VA_Dinger

03-15-07, 10:50

It looks very interesting to me.

I had the funny feeling it would end up in this configuration but that's understandable. How else could it be mounted without major modifications to the rifle? As long as it holds zero relatively well removing one screw for cleaning the weapon does not bother me. I would prefer to see compatibility with the rifles iron sights, but I really don't see how they could have mounted it any other way.

I might give one a try.

nickdrak

03-15-07, 12:19

Dinger,

Have you seen the Krebs new rail? I just talked to Brian from Krebs yesterday, and he said it should be available by the end of April,
and they will have pics up on their site next week. Im sure it costs 5x as much as the DPH rail, but...
http://i10.tinypic.com/29frq6o.jpg
http://i16.tinypic.com/2vb7ixh.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/4976np2.jpg
http://i11.tinypic.com/2v9b5t1.jpg

subzero

03-15-07, 15:47

That is sweet. I'd get one just for the peep sight.

SuicideHz

03-15-07, 19:05

And since when is it such a bad idea to customize your guns to fit and work better for you?

I'm talking about ridiculous shit that doesn't work so well. This seems to be one of those things that you'll end up chewing up with a screwdriver trying to get off to clean. At that point, what good will it be?

nickdrak

03-15-07, 20:56

fivepointoh

03-15-07, 22:00

I agree w/ you guys....

My philosophy is...there is nothing wrong w/ "tactical" as long as it's "practical"

Granted what one person has may not benefit me but as long as it truly works for them then so be it. I'd like to have the Kreb's rail just for the fact of the longer sight distance but I'm not gonna pay an assload as I imagine would have to be done to own this rail.

VA_Dinger

03-16-07, 13:19

I'm talking about ridiculous shit that doesn't work so well. This seems to be one of those things that you'll end up chewing up with a screwdriver trying to get off to clean. At that point, what good will it be?

Have you handled one? Been within ten miles of it?

Why would you "Chew it up with a screwdriver"?

I'm not saying it's perfect but it looks to me like DPH did a good job. They kept it simple, drop-in, and relatively cheap. Time will tell if it holds zero and can take some abuse.

It might not be perfect but lets give it a chance. It looks like a damn good start to me. They just need to add a rear sight to the rail like the Krebs.

Somebody needs to buy one and try it out BEFORE they start bashing it - This is one of the golden rules of M4carbine.net ;)

h8mtv

03-16-07, 20:06

http://img294.imageshack.us/img294/7122/img6408lg7.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

h8mtv

03-17-07, 13:02

http://img252.imageshack.us/img252/6871/img6415zy3.jpg (http://imageshack.us)

SuicideHz

03-17-07, 15:06

Whatever Dinger. I'm giving my opinion just as you are giving your opinion.

I'm not wrong by giving my opinion when a thread is about just that- opinions. We've all given our opinion thus far as well as you.

None of us have handled this item yet so maybe this thread shouldn't even exist. There are no facts to give?

As far as chewing it up with a screwdriver- you'd need to break out the flathead or phillips to clean the rifle. You know darn well that screw would eventually get chewed up.

SuicideHz

03-17-07, 15:07

ETA: obviously H8MTV knew what I meant so he posted a pic of the bushing to show it's an allen screw. Not to say an allen can't get chewed up.

I meant to hit EDIT.

It's also not very practical since it precludes the use of any iron sights whatsoever. But then again, I haven't been able to run it through a Vicker's Tactical AK class so I wouldn't know shit.

Jay Cunningham

03-17-07, 15:40

My goodness.

:eek:

CaptainSKA

01-02-08, 22:16

So, no rail mounted AR-style sight would sit low enough?

Looks like someone got one of those cheapo Williams peep sights to work:

http://www.akforum.net/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=30182

Anyone see anything wrong with this set up? (Other than the screw obviously)

MH64

01-02-08, 23:00

Now if someone would come up with a Beryl style mount that still allowed the use of the factory AK rear sight that would be neat.

SuicideHz

01-02-08, 23:16

Wow. I'm kinda surprised I wrote that myself...

That was a long time ago though...

Where were we now?

What I'm seeing in the pics now looks nice. The only screwing and unscrewing would be to install it initially. The lever seems a good choice for making it easy to flip up and out of the way so you CAN strip the rifle down.

Rampant Colt

08-01-12, 10:34

I was considering buying one of the CTD (http://www.cheaperthandirt.com/product/AKS-072) Beryl-style AK rail mounts that includes a flip-up peep sight for $49.95, and came across this thread. 5.0, how well has this mount held up for you considering this is an old thread..? Anybody else have any input on this?

Sn1p3r_1

11-16-13, 01:42