Pictures from 3/2007 Camp Guernsey ARNG Multi-Gun Match

[Zak Smith]

Pictures from the Match Camp Guernsey ARNG Multi-Gun match run by Colorado Multigun

Stage 4 started out with some 250+ yard carbine shots on steel, clearing the field beyond the building.
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Assault the building and clear 3 "rooms"
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The clear out the field on the other side
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Stage 3 was some challenging pistol work
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Stage 2 was a carbine assault course
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Stage 1 - Long-range rifle
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This AK didn't work
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Tearing up the FATS
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Air Force using new stealth pistol technology
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It was muddy
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All photos: http://demigodllc.com/~zak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/
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Results: http://www.coloradomultigun.com/local/CGMG-2007.03.html

[subzero]

Air Force using new stealth pistol technology
http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/smaller/D101_1989_img.jpg (http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_1989_img.jpg) [ link to LARGER image ] (http://demigodllc.com/%7Ezak/DigiCam/CGMG-2007.03/?small=D101_1989_img.jpg)


I LOLed.

[TOrrock]

Was that AK-74 built by Ohio Rapidfire on an Ohio Ordnance Works receiver, was it a home buid, or was it an Arsenal Inc. SLR-105?

[Zak Smith]

I have no idea. Maybe its owner will find this thread and chime in.

[rhino]

Hey, Zak:

In your matches, when someone is moving with their long gun on the sling, do you have specific rules about safe muzzle directions, or is it just a matter of keeping it pointed in the general direction of the ground?

[Zak Smith]

180* holds, but pointed at the ground within 3-4' radius of feet OK as long as that is a safe direction.

[rhino]

Thanks!

I wish USPSA would adopt a similar policy, but that's never going to happen.

[Zak Smith]

Also note that we had the rifles unloaded before slinging...

[TOrrock]

Looks like a great match Zak!

[trek]

I can answer the AK question. Bass's AK74 was a part kit build by a local AK guru. We still dont know what happened to his rifle- it usually runs just fine....he will of course, never live it down.

[Ozzy]

Great match and Awesome hosts. These guys are great. I think all of the SD crew are going to try to come back as soon as the CMG gets back to Guernsey.

oz

[Buckaroo]

Man does that make me miss WY!

I used to work on a ranch just north of (Wyoming distances here) of Guernsey and we bought some heifers that had been raised down there.

Lots of good shooting to be had out there.

I'll be back!

[rhino]

Also note that we had the rifles unloaded before slinging...


I did not know that. I assumed safety "on" was required.

Thanks for the clarification!

How do you feel about just requiring the safety to go "on" and same muzzle discipline?

[Zak Smith]

It depends on the level of movement and experience of the shooters. For the same reason we allow people to ground a safed handgun instead of hot reholstering.

[Resq47]

Good pics Zak, wish we had the room to roam like that. On the movement with slung weapons, how do you work the unloading into scoring? I'd guess it would be shoot > note time & show clear > start #2 > proceed with stage > add the segments and score targets?

I'm also curious how long it's taking to score everything with the extended stages.

Great stuff :D

[Zak Smith]

We just have them do it on the clock. It's not really an issue since the stage times are pretty long.

Take for example stage 4. The shooter started out on the hill, shot the rifle targets in the field over the shoothouse (which is named "Little Baghdad"), then unloaded and slung the rifle, ran down the hill, drew pistol and ran through the buildings. At the exit, he reholstered (hot, unloaded, or downed the pistol - his choice), re-loaded his rifle and re-engaged the rifle targets in in field outside the buildings.

I have been a vocal proponent (on another board which I no longer visit) of hot reholstering, and a critic of the "bullet golf" mentality. Depending on their training and competitive background (or lack thereof), some shooters will come with gear that is not fieldworthy.

Some of this gear is just fine for USPSA matches or conventional "square range" 3-Gun, but is not appropriate for the movement and physical nature of the field-style matches that we (CMG) run. Examples include race holsters with insufficient retention, bolt guns without safeties, and AR-15's with triggers so light the shooter inadvertently shoots doubles or the rifle can A.D. when jarred violently ("AD" because it is a mechanical/physics problem).

Basically, if we think ensuring safety during a transition may be problematic, we will have the shooter unload before proceeding. Using this stage as an example, running down a muddy hill and then negotiating three separate buildings was determined to be "problematic." :D

One of our main goals is short stage reset time and a fast turnaround time. We are used to shooting 4-8 minute states at the Pueblo Rifle Match, and at this CG match we set a max time of 4 minute on the 3 stages (other than the optional precision rifle stage which was fixed time 2 minutes). We use reactive steel for distant targets that do not require resetting, and only tape near targets. In stages 2 and 4, we had a bunch of longer range rifle shots at the end allowing the tapers to finish taping before the shooter is even done. We also score modified IMGA (1 A or 2 BC, D = misses) to expedite and simplify score notation and final scoring.

-z

[Resq47]

Yeah, I could see the muddy hill being a problem. We have enough issues with dirt muzzling or traction issues coming in hot to a cover point in ice/snow/rain here. We also have hot reholstering / transitions and a downed loaded gun is a DQ.

Our longest stages are 100yds due to range limitations, and we're limited on rifle steel so everything gets taped. The modified scoring would be helpful at any rate though... Isn't it funny how the better shooters take so much less time to score? ;)