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rocket 442
12-12-09, 14:11
I'd love it if H&K came out with a USP in 10MM
A .22LR version of the M&P, and/or a .22LR conversion slide to use on existing M&P's. Cheap training!
SWATcop556
12-12-09, 14:49
M&P with a Glock trigger. :D
The Dumb Gun Collector
12-12-09, 15:09
Without a doubt, the gun I would buy this minute is a p7m8 with a polymer or other lightweight frame.
They already make an HK45. :D
threeheadeddog
12-12-09, 15:38
I have a few that are a in different directions.
1. CZ SP-01 9mm with aluminum frame, front scallops(like standard models), quality nightsights, shortened contoured beavertail, full length dustcover under a full IDPA box length slide, and extended threaded barrel. This would of course have to be as reliable as sig,hk,M&P. And for gods sake give it a competition hammer to make the reset not so horrible.
2. S&W M&P9 with thinned contoured beavertail making it not painfull to shoot with thumb safty. It would also need extended threaded barrel, 5in slide, and external hammer.
3. Sig 226 9mm with full IDPA box length slide(approx 5.xx in), build in magwell similar to Heinie style weld on for 1911 only on alluminum frame, shortened overtravel, extended threaded barrel.
Carry gun would be same as any above with 4in slide and sig 229 length grip and no threaded barrel.
FWIW I find the CZ to be practically perfect as is just needs reliability and front scallops on slide. The shortened beavertail and longer slide just make it nicer for gun games. The S&W is also quite near perfect but needs the thumbsafty beavertail area worked to achieve what I feel it needs to be more ergo. The Sig is likewise near perfect but it would be nice to have a longer "gamer" slide available. The threaded barrels would be drop in extras because I like quiet guns:D.
If I was to build one from scratch it would be
-9mm
-rear decocker (ala HK)
-TDA
-Aluminum frame with one piece frame/dustcover tactical block that has steal threaded insert so you can mount a can on it without booster.
-4.5in barrel
-either fixed barrel or maby the rotating style that would allow the front of barrel to keep seal with tactical block/dustcover to make the suppressor not just a muzzle weight.
-slide lock(for single-shot suppressor use) probable in 1911 style safty position for leverage.
other variation
-same same as above but with 2in barrel and full length duscover designed to accept a 1.25 od fast attach can and have dustcover extend to end of can.
I always wondered why Glock never made a single stack 9 or 40 for a CC gun.
+1 to a line of single stack Glocks. Full size 9 or 10 shot single stack 10mm especially.
SWATcop556
12-12-09, 18:17
Without a doubt, the gun I would buy this minute is a p7m8 with a polymer or other lightweight frame.
Oh good call. Didn't even think of that one. :cool:
-Single stack 9mm Glock/M&P
-M&P9 identical in size to a G19
crusader377
12-12-09, 18:35
+1 on a single stack M&P/Glock
Also, I think FN should introduced a modernized BHP.
CaptainDooley
12-12-09, 18:35
I'll second (or third, fourth, whatever we're up to) a single stack 9mm Glock or M&P preferably in all the various sizes they're in now...
brushy bill
12-12-09, 18:44
Single Stack Glock as mentioned
Reintroduce the S&W revolvers without lock and MIM parts -- I'd likely be bankrupt soon
Heavy Metal
12-12-09, 18:48
A Glock in 7.62x25.
I would like to see a striker fired, polymer frame SIG-Sauer pistol in .40S&W available in a full-sized, mid-sized/compact, and sub-compact frame sizes with the more diminutive framed pistols capable of utilizing the magazines of the larger framed brothers and sisters in the family, because if there isn't such a pistol like this soon I fear it will be the end of SIG as a serious supplier of pistols to law enforcement.
A slim single stack 7 to 8 rounds small 9mm pistol that is not built wide enough to be a .40 SW
Double Strike Single Stack 9mm Compact/Sub Compact from GLOCK... Hold the finger grooves... :D
I would like to see S&W make an M&P 9mm/40S&W in a medium framed "compact" size identical to the size of the M&P .45 compact. This would be the competitive size to the glock 19. One of my biggest complaints about the M&P9/40c is that they cannot fit a full size light, and this would solve that issue.
cougar_guy04
12-13-09, 00:02
[smart alack]An XD in 10mm!!!!![/s.a] Sorry, flashback to the days when I cruised XDtalk a lot and that thread seemed to come up every 2 months.
While I am very much content with my Glocks, a single stack 9mm Glock that was Kahr K9/P9/CW9 in size but Glock-ish in price would be nice.
But I'm not holding my breath and I'm more than content to keep my 19 on my hip.
Without a doubt, the gun I would buy this minute is a p7m8 with a polymer or other lightweight frame.
This is what I would want as well. It would be the perfect carry gun.
I would also want to see a single stack Glock 9mm
single stack Glock. Even an up sized G-36 would be great.
A 1911 that runs and dosent cost an arm and a leg.
Without a doubt, the gun I would buy this minute is a p7m8 with a polymer or other lightweight frame.
agreed.
i'd be happy with a general re-issuing of hte old P7 as well. the steel frame is part of the reason the trigger is so sweet. though i;m sure HK would find a way to makae the polymer P7 sweet as well.
Ruger MkIII in 22 mag
i'm told 22 mag doesn't run well in automatics... pressure is too high/case is too long etc.
M&P .22lr conversion kit (supposedly Tactical Solutions was working on one this year)
M&P with a comfortable thumb safety (I had the same problem as a previous poster, completely uncomfortable to shoot)
single-stack G26 or equivalent M&P. Alternately, a Walther PPS that use M&P sight dovetails
I would like for Glock to make a G17 slide on a G19 frame a factory offering.
I would like for S&W to make the full size M&P45 slide on the M&P45c frame a factory offering.
I would like for S&W to make a .22lr slide conversion to use on existing M&P platforms.
I would like for S&W to offer their revolvers without the lock for states that do not require it.
Singlestack Wonder
12-13-09, 15:36
Full size version of Glock 36
How about something designed by Magpul?
Full size version of Glock 36
YES.
and anothe vote for a single stack GLOCK in 9mm, prefer a compact
single stack glock and FNP in 10mm?
Alpha Sierra
12-13-09, 20:03
A .22LR version of the M&P, and/or a .22LR conversion slide to use on existing M&P's. Cheap training!
I'll vote for that.
Colt Commander Series 70 reissue.
(Rumored at SHOT '10...I'm keeping my fingers crossed).
-Adam
On that note: Colt Combat Commander in 9mm. S70 preferred, but I'll take an 80 if necessary.
John_Wayne777
12-13-09, 22:50
Single-stack M&P 9 thinner than the 3913 and slightly smaller than the M&P 9C. An updated 3913 concept.
How about something designed by Magpul?
that would be interesting...
i wonder if their little fold up sub machinegun will ever make it out to the market... kinda too much NFA red tape in that thing to make it marketable though...
RogerinTPA
12-14-09, 06:41
Single-stack M&P 9 thinner than the 3913 and slightly smaller than the M&P 9C. An updated 3913 concept.
Absolutely! With a 7 or 8 round mag. Also the M&P40c, with a similar mag cap.
LonghunterCO
12-14-09, 08:30
I like the polym P7 idea
I like the single stack M&P.
Would like a 5 shot .44 or .45LC S&W on the smallest frame that they can get it in. 3"-4" barrel in a Lt Wt frame. Marketed to the back country. Kind-of-a trimed down S&W Mountain Gun.
M&P .22 Long slide conversion
M&P 5" .45 with thumbsafety
M&P 5" 10mm with thumbsafety
One of the M&P "3913" mentioned earlier, oh with thumbsafety
RAM Engineer
12-14-09, 15:16
Striker-fired FNP-45 USG with no manual safety.
Striker-fired FNP9X USG with no manual safety.
Striker-fired HK45 with no manual safety.
Striker-fired HK P30 with no manual safety.
ROCKET20_GINSU
12-14-09, 16:08
9mm striker fired RELIABLE BUG with real sights, single stack mag, decent and interchangeable backstraps like the M&P has that is compatible with CT grips
Single stack glock 9mm and .45 apc in similar sizes to Glocks: 26,19, and 17
Nighthawk or wilson combat: make a very good traditional, entry level, 1911 that is dead reliable for about 1k lol
Nighthawk or wilson combat: make a very good traditional, entry level, 1911 that is dead reliable for about 1k lol
It would be hard to beat a Dan Wesson Heritage for that. Stainless, Novak night sights, beavertail, but not front serrations, checkering, rail, etc..
.22 conversion for the M&P45 and a T-45 Kahr that held 8+1
Gutshot John
12-14-09, 20:31
Smith & Wesson 9mm alloy J-Frame w/ 5 Shot clips.
Something along the lines of a 1903 Hammerless Pocket Model in 9mm with a DA/SA trigger and possibly striker fired.
I modern double stack pistol in 7.62x25mm Tokarev hopefully something that pays homage to the TT-33 lines but with modern trigger options. I would also like to see 7.62x25mm conversion kits for more common pistols. This round will fit in .45 mags. The Tokarev round is a flat shooter and give a satisfying slap on steel at .22lr prices.
Any manufacturer what to take this one? A pistol with no reciprocating exterior parts - something along the lines of a Ruger MkII in form factor. It should have a fixed bbl. The bbl and bolt should be easily swapped out by the user. It should come in a variety calibers and bbl options. It should have an integral 1913 light rail mated to the frame and independent of the bbl. and it should have an optional 1913 rail on the top of the receiver.
By the way, all fighting handguns should have 5" bbls.
id like to see more pistols chambered in the 5.7 x 28. maybe a Glock or M&P.
I'd love it if H&K came out with a USP in 10MM
HK to make the P7M8 (again).
S&W to make the M&P pistol in .22LR.
C4
Brother Rat
12-15-09, 12:20
Glock 1911
Hell, I’m feeling ambitious. I'd like to see a modernized 1911. Todd should recognize some of this list. :p
A polymer/steel-supported frame a la M&P to keep a little weight down
A slightly more generous magazine well for not-quite-double-stack magazines; 10 rounds of .45 or 15 rounds of 9mm is not unreasonable.
Sturdy-as-hell factory mags <$30
Retain 1911-style fire control group and general grip shape
No grip safety
Slide-stop shifted back enough to function as a slide release
Reversible mag catch
Tennifer slide & barrel
No tools needed to field strip or reassemble
Firing pin block safety that compromises neither safety nor trigger pull
Optional thumb safety
Available in both 5” and 4.25” variants with no compromise to mechanical accuracy, reliability, or durability
ZERO gunsmithing required. Every single part should be drop-in and easily swapped with a replacement without the need for any filing, fitting, etc. This means that after 10,000 rounds, I can drop a brand new (insert part name here) and drive on.
Guaranteed reliable; should be able to fire 2,000 rounds of any SAAMI-spec ammunition between cleanings with zero stoppages of any kind. Should be able to function properly after exposure to standard mil/LE test protocols for cold, heat, sand, mud, etc.
Guaranteed durability; should be able to go at least 10,000 rounds between detailed maintenance (replacing recoil spring excepted); all major components should have at least 30,000 round service life (100,000 rounds for frame and slide would be much better)
Capable of achieving 2" accuracy at 25yd and maintaining it without major parts change for at least 30,000 rounds
Street price <$900
Props to ToddG for his contribution here (https://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=254014&postcount=4), from which I borrowed much of the above list.
-B
I always wondered why Glock never made a single stack 9 or 40 for a CC gun.
+1000000
a single stack 9mm glock, the size of the g26 but thinner would instantly move to my EDC....
you'd think, watching kahr and walther and keltec, etc, etc, etc that Gaston would get the hint....
Dos Cylindros
12-15-09, 13:54
My vote would be for Glock to come out with a single stack .45 ACP with a G22 length grip frame and a G23 length and width slide and barrel.
Ruger MkIII in 22 mag
http://olegvolk.net/gallery/d/34787-2/PMR30_numbers_8310.jpg
i like everything about that pistol, except whos makin it.:D
i like everything about that pistol, except whos makin it.:D
Know whatcha mean
I settle for a Ruger SP101 9 shot .22WMR with an extra cylinder for 22LR
oooo, i like that idea, and id buy one. maybe a 4" with adjustable sights
Carne Frio
12-15-09, 16:50
S&W 10mm K or L frame, 5 shot, all steel, 2 inch barrel, no lock.:D
HK to make the P7M8 (again).
S&W to make the M&P pistol in .22LR.
C4
Or a conversion unit....
Buckaroo
Serpico1985
12-15-09, 17:05
Someone said something like a striker fired sig in .40......
Spoke to a rep at a seminar and he stated that they had striker fired 250's on the way..........
Crazy as it sounds...
I'd like to see S&W take the concept that motivated Wilson Combat to make the new "SpecOps 9" or whatever it's called: a polymer SAO pistol with a 1911-style trigger. And I'd like it to use the same mags as the M&P. Get it to the market in 2011 and call it a modern celebration of the 100th anniversary of the 1911.
From Smith's standpoint, it would help drive cross-platform sales. Already own an M&P and want a high-cap 1911? Might as well by the Smith, it uses the same mags. Already have a Smith high-cap 1911 and want a polymer striker fired wundergun? Might as well get the M&P, you already have a bunch of mags for it...
It they could make this gun and the M&P holster compatible, that would be an even bigger motivation to own both.
I already posted on page two I think... But wanted to add one more to the mix...
a DAO 1911 with NO external safety. :D
CaptainDooley
12-16-09, 08:46
In regards to the slim M&P's, I decided to send Smith and Wesson an email telling them what I'd like to see from them and this is the response I got:
Kevin,
Thanks for the feedback.
Please look for new product introductions coming in January during the industry Shot Show.
Regards, Paul
Could just be a stock answer to product requests, but who knows?
Crazy as it sounds...
I'd like to see S&W take the concept that motivated Wilson Combat to make the new "SpecOps 9" or whatever it's called: a polymer SAO pistol with a 1911-style trigger. And I'd like it to use the same mags as the M&P. Get it to the market in 2011 and call it a modern celebration of the 100th anniversary of the 1911.
From Smith's standpoint, it would help drive cross-platform sales. Already own an M&P and want a high-cap 1911? Might as well by the Smith, it uses the same mags. Already have a Smith high-cap 1911 and want a polymer striker fired wundergun? Might as well get the M&P, you already have a bunch of mags for it...
It they could make this gun and the M&P holster compatible, that would be an even bigger motivation to own both.
Heh, I basically had both the Spec Ops 9 and M&P tech pages up side by side when making my list. :D
If S&W made a SAO M&P with a 1911-style trigger, I'd buy it. If they made a hybrid that adds some of the shape characteristics of the 1911 to the mix, but kept the steel-reinforced polymer frame and ambidextrous controls of the M&P then I'd buy that even faster.
-B
An 8rd, single stack 45acp, 4.5"bbl, Glock.
I'm with Grant. I want the P7M8 and P7M13 pistols back. It's like the high end 1911 of 9mm's. I sold 2 P7M8's (AG date code) earlier this year during the economic unpleasantness, and regret it dearly. I do still have an M13.
N
From Glock:
A single stack, roughly G 19- sized 10mm and 45 ACP.
A 22 lr in full size and compact.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-16-09, 18:14
Crazy as it sounds...
I'd like to see S&W take the concept that motivated Wilson Combat to make the new "SpecOps 9" or whatever it's called: a polymer SAO pistol with a 1911-style trigger. And I'd like it to use the same mags as the M&P. Get it to the market in 2011 and call it a modern celebration of the 100th anniversary of the 1911.
From Smith's standpoint, it would help drive cross-platform sales. Already own an M&P and want a high-cap 1911? Might as well by the Smith, it uses the same mags. Already have a Smith high-cap 1911 and want a polymer striker fired wundergun? Might as well get the M&P, you already have a bunch of mags for it...
It they could make this gun and the M&P holster compatible, that would be an even bigger motivation to own both.
I actually pulled out my sig P226 mags and my STI Edge and tried to figure out a way to use some bondo to try to make an STI that didn't have dirt sensitive mags.
I really like how PSP/P7 mags go in almost vertically, which makes the slide shorter since the chamber is no longer in the middle of the slide. Takes about an inch out of the slide, rounds go straight into the chamber. How come no one seems to have followed this idea?
Since I also have the P7 sickness, what I'd like is that when the gun runs dry, if you cycle the squeeze cock the mag drops free. Insert a new mag, squeeze again and the slide drops (just like now). No need for the mag release to me then.
For actaul probability of implementaion, I'd vote for Todd's idea.
For actaul probability of implementaion, I'd vote for Todd's idea.
I passed it along to some folks at Smith and got one "wow awesome!" response and an inbox full of nothing from the rest. Don't hold your breath, but it's possible.
Re: the P7 thing, I discussed that with the HK-USA president a while back and there is absolutely no plan to bring that design back. The cost to manufacture is so high that they'd need to produce (and sell) a huge number to make it profitable.
At the risk of going out on a blasphemous limb:
A single stack G-19 WITH a 1911 grip angle
A M&P9c with about a 4in barrel and a Sig P250 trigger pull (sans light primer strikes)
Outlander Systems
12-17-09, 11:24
They already make an HK45. :D
Took the words out of my mouth. One day, my friend, the scratch will be mustered to score one.
ThirdWatcher
12-17-09, 14:48
H&K P-7 is one of those pistols I never got around to buying. How about one in .45 ACP?
Thirdwatcher,
HK actually tried that with the P7M7. Supposedly only 5 or 6 in existence and I think HK still has almost all of them. Cool though.
I bet if you could find one it might be worth some serious collector dough.
EzGoingKev
12-17-09, 19:23
I wouldn't mind a G23 w/
- the new interchangeable back strap
- interchangeable front strap (like MIAD)
- P99 type slide serrations front and rear
- smooth (not ribbed) trigger
- P99 style slide release lever (not sure if I would prefer, but have been wanting to try)
- captured style metal spring guide
- 1913 accessory rail
- extended slide release
- older style ejector
- Tritium low drag type front sight
- adjustable metal rear sight
- the ability to purchase it as a (3) barrel/mag/parts kit right from Glock (like the HK4) using all Glock parts. The calibers would be .40 S&W, .357 SIG, 9mm
- a factory .22LR conversion kit made available for it (I would have said (4) barrel kit, but to my knowledge you need to change the slide for the rimfire cartridge)
H&K P-7 is one of those pistols I never got around to buying. How about one in .45 ACP?
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/HKGray-M7.jpg
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/HKGray-M7muzzle.jpg
http://pistol-training.com/wp-content/uploads/2009/06/HKGray-M7grip.jpg
I would have to second a DAO 1911.
I would also like a DAO XD40 compact.
FromMyColdDeadHand
12-17-09, 23:12
The thing I've been thinking of lately is not so much the gun, as to somehow, someone making a red dot sight for a handgun that actaully works in a CCW, HD, real world sense. We've got RDS on our rifles and a lot of shot guns now. You've got the Open guns with their C-mores and the Docter sights on the slides. Seems like neither is an optimal answer. Just seems like their is a solution out there that someone hasn't brought to market. I've got to think that eventually it will come. Can't wait to see the FNP45 with the RDS option.
I would love to see and would sell several in my collection for a Beretta PX4 in .357 sig and it's complimentary carbine CX4 with a ported barrel. .357sig in a 16" bbl would be very powerful, and having a pistol with decent capacity behind it would be ideal.
Outlander Systems
12-18-09, 08:58
The thing I've been thinking of lately is not so much the gun, as to somehow, someone making a red dot sight for a handgun that actaully works in a CCW, HD, real world sense. We've got RDS on our rifles and a lot of shot guns now. You've got the Open guns with their C-mores and the Docter sights on the slides. Seems like neither is an optimal answer. Just seems like their is a solution out there that someone hasn't brought to market. I've got to think that eventually it will come. Can't wait to see the FNP45 with the RDS option.
Visible laser, mi amigo.
TacticalIntervention
12-18-09, 10:57
This would be real simple.
I did an article for SOF back in I think 1999. It was on the John Jardine designed 1911 called the Valtro 1998. It was a 1911 made with best metals and parts available.
Now it has morphed into only custom hand built pistols of many thousands of dollars.
I would like to see a Pistol Manufacture get ahold of Jardine and start building that design of 1911 here in USA.
The thing I've been thinking of lately is not so much the gun, as to somehow, someone making a red dot sight for a handgun that actaully works in a CCW, HD, real world sense. We've got RDS on our rifles and a lot of shot guns now. You've got the Open guns with their C-mores and the Docter sights on the slides. Seems like neither is an optimal answer. Just seems like their is a solution out there that someone hasn't brought to market. I've got to think that eventually it will come. Can't wait to see the FNP45 with the RDS option.
This interests me as well, I just got finished looking for an option to mount a Trijicon RMR to a Glock just for the hell of it because I remembered those prototype pics of the FNP-45 at a Vickers class.
Serpico1985
12-18-09, 20:23
This would be real simple.
I did an article for SOF back in I think 1999. It was on the John Jardine designed 1911 called the Valtro 1998. It was a 1911 made with best metals and parts available.
Now it has morphed into only custom hand built pistols of many thousands of dollars.
I would like to see a Pistol Manufacture get ahold of Jardine and start building that design of 1911 here in USA.
I've looked around on the internet and cannot find very much info on these 1911's. What is different about them that sets them apart other than being built correctly and using high quality parts? Any desgin improvements?
Thanks for any inforamtion you can give me.
TacticalIntervention
12-19-09, 12:20
Well, it started with the following
Higher grade steel in Frame and Slide
Thicker breach face which made it not only tougher but also less felt recoil
Higher grip hold for better handling of recoil
Great bbls. I had one run 40,000 plus rounds of Fed Hydra Shok through same bbl and could not tell difference in accuracy from start to finish.
Rounded edges for comfort.
Better springs and internal parts than norm for industry
Just freakin perfect abilities. The test piece I ahd ran over 40,000 rds without a single malfunction and did so being the most accurate 1911 I have ever shot.
Only draw backs where originals had adjustable sites which I hate.
I would love to see a US Company license a similar pistol from Jardine.
The reasons they are no longer imported I wont get into but it certainly was not because of design.
They where called the Valtro 1998.
You see them once in awhile for sale at around 5000.00 which I just can not put into a working weapon. Originally they where supposed to be just over a grand.
Serpico1985
12-19-09, 19:44
Thank you for the information in reference to the Jardin 1998.
Striker fired sigpro the size of a 229;
Striker fired sigpro the size of a 239.
"Striker fired sigpro the size of a 229;
Striker fired sigpro the size of a 239. "
Xray, sounds like we want the same thing.
My post from the first page.
"I would like to see a striker fired, polymer frame SIG-Sauer pistol in .40S&W available in a full-sized, mid-sized/compact, and sub-compact frame sizes with the more diminutive framed pistols capable of utilizing the magazines of the larger framed brothers and sisters in the family, because if there isn't such a pistol like this soon I fear it will be the end of SIG as a serious supplier of pistols to law enforcement."
Striker fired sigpro the size of a 239.
I'd check that out. The P239 is a bit large for a single stack 9, but in polymer with striker and tuneups post-recall might be worth something. :)
Bring back the P228 9mm. Now. With two mags.
atlantaguns
12-21-09, 17:33
I always dreamed of a ruger mk2 in 45acp.
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