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QUICK+V
03-14-07, 01:55
Hi,

I hope this is the right forum to put this question. I have a semi auto 1927a1 auto ordinance Tommy Gun.

If I remove the shoulder stock (Over all length is 30" / barrel is 16" and it has a vertical foregrip) Is it LEGALLY considered

AOW or just a stockless rifle?

THANKS
hetfield
03-17-07, 08:28
Not sure, that's a tricky one.
TOrrock
03-17-07, 10:15
I'm not sure either but my gut reaction would be that ATF would consider it a AOW.......but that there wouldn't be any issues with a horizontal forend.
hetfield
03-17-07, 15:15
Not sure, that's a tricky one.


ETA: It's either going to be a SBR or an AOW, but either way requires a $200 making tax via a Form 1.
Steve-HSA
03-18-07, 11:16
The AO T1B with detachable buttstock is ok, the overall length is 31.5 inches with the butt removed.

"a weapon made from a rifle if such weapon as modified has an overall length of less than 26 inches or barrel or barrels of less than 16 inches in length"
QUICK+V
03-18-07, 17:53
IF the stock was removed it would be 30" overall length with a 16" barrel.

the only issue is the Vertical foregrip...But even without a stock it is "technically" still a rifle..Correct?

If so, it should be fine. I think it would be. As long as the OAL exceeds the 26" minimum it is legit as a rifle , shoulder stock or not.

So a vertical foregrip should be a non issue.
Steve-HSA
03-18-07, 18:21
Think about it this way. Add a vertical grip to your AR15 carbine quad rail, then take your 6 position stock and slide it off the buffer tube. Did you make it into a SBR or AOW?
TOrrock
03-18-07, 18:24
Think about it this way. Add a vertical grip to your AR15 carbine quad rail, then take your 6 position stock and slide it off the buffer tube. Did you make it into a SBR or AOW?

You've got a point.
QUICK+V
03-19-07, 06:33
with a 16" barrel no its not an SBR.

a pistol with a vetical foregrip is AOW.

A rifle without a shoulder stock is still a rifle if it is longer than 26" OAL and has a 16" barrel.


hmmmmmm....
COLT
04-03-07, 00:21
with a 16" barrel no its not an SBR.

a pistol with a vetical foregrip is AOW.

A rifle without a shoulder stock is still a rifle if it is longer than 26" OAL and has a 16" barrel.


hmmmmmm....


THE ATF NEVER INCLUDED THE THOMPSON PISTOL
WITH A FRONT GRIP AN AOW THIS WAS ONE THE EXCEPTIONS TO THE RULE.
AUTO ORDNANCE (THOMPSON) MADE THE PISTOL FOR YEARS AND IT COULD BOUGHT RIGHT OVER THE COUNTER..

:p
COLT
04-03-07, 00:34
Hi,

I hope this is the right forum to put this question. I have a semi auto 1927a1 auto ordinance Tommy Gun.

If I remove the shoulder stock (Over all length is 30" / barrel is 16" and it has a vertical foregrip) Is it LEGALLY considered

AOW or just a stockless rifle?

THANKS


http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/2500/2523.htm ( NOT NFA
QUICK+V
04-12-07, 08:51
thanks,

well it is a rifle with 16" barrel so I cant shorten the barrel but the stock will come off...laser sight from the hip.


If hip firing a Tommy Gun was good enough for the Mafia ...
CarlosDJackal
04-14-07, 11:53
As I understand it, any recognized long gun would only require the $200 stamp if the OAL, with or without a stock was less than 26-inches (I think) OR the barrel is less than 16-inches.

A handgun, on the other hand, requires the tax if you either add a vertical foregrip or a stock without dropping in a 16-inch barrel and meeting the minimum OAL of 16-inches.

I could be wrong though. :D