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How many of you guys have used the old Surefire 6P as a weapon light? Did it every cause a problem? I have been using one for the past three years with zero issues. It has been mounted in everything from KAC 1" mounts, Viking Tactic's mount, to my current home made "Gangsta Grip" light mount/Vert grip (Credit for the name goes to LF's "Basicload"). It has seen at least 10,000 rounds worth of wear & tear. I have been meaning to order the shock-isolated bezel for years, but now I'm curious to see just how long it will last.
My 6P's current home:
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v74/va_dinger/2005_1210M40036.jpg
the 6p was the first weapon mounted light i tried. the bulb did not last long with the original bezel. later i added the shock isolated bezel and from that point on, it was g.t.g. till i switched to another light later on.
shock isolated bezel is money well spent. i.m.h.o.
I agree on the shock-isolated bezel being a good buy. They are cheap and it is basically the same as a more expensive weapons light for a low price. I have one on my gun at home.
I have an extra aimpoint ring sitting around, I need to make a grip like that.
Seeing alot of G2s on cost conscious rifles...not a bad idea if you can't or won't spend more $ on the uber cool set-up. Again the shock isolated bulb is a good idea.
Many years ago, I realized that there was a need for quality, low cost lights for the everyday shooter. This is why I came out with the working man's weaponlights: http://www.gandrtactical.com/lights.htm
C4
There is more to complete shock isolation than just the bezel/bulb.
There is more to complete shock isolation than just the bezel/bulb.
There is, but I don't think it is needed. There is a certain tier 1 SF group that runs the SF 6P with NO shock isolation and they advise that they work just fine.
C4
There is more to complete shock isolation than just the bezel/bulb.
i agree.
after i installed the shock isolated bezel on the 6p, i later upgraded to an M2 combatlight that has a higher level of shock isolation. i beleive that both lights are the same output, 65 lumens. both lights were used for training purposes only.
I've used and seen others use a lot of G2's and 6P's without any problems on low recoiling weapons like 5.56 mm.
Mine has been excellent with absolutly no problems!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/USMC/Complete/Olyssbarrel.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/USMC/Complete/BLMT1.jpg
Mine has been excellent with absolutly no problems!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/USMC/Complete/Olyssbarrel.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v602/USMC/Complete/BLMT1.jpg
I WOULD like to buy that Type of mount for a G2
where to order
Looks like I might use it since I live in PUNTA GORDA FL
Thanks for posting this question, it's something I've been thinking about a 6P for a while.
Mine is made by TacStar. Scroll about 2/3 down the page and you will see it. You can find them cheaper if you do a search.
http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/surefirelightsandaccessories.html
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v494/harv24/IMG_1083.jpg
I've been running the G2 with the Z32 Shock/Isolated bezel now for well over 2 years with 4K plus rds thru it and it's on it's original Lamp.
That's enough for me to prove out the system as reliable on an AR platform.
No $250 dollar weapons light for me!!! just $250 of more ammo to shoot..;)
I have our entire SWAT team set up with a issued 6P for their primary white light, and a 6P mounted to their LE6920's. This makes logistics very easy as far as bulbs, batteries, switches and hard parts go. There are much better Surefire tactical lights out there, but the 6P system is very viable.
Mine is made by TacStar. Scroll about 2/3 down the page and you will see it. You can find them cheaper if you do a search.
http://www.deltaforce.com/catalog/surefirelightsandaccessories.html
Thank You
When charlie came it was nice to know I had my AR15 handy
I have carried a SURFIRE for several years now
its the Elite E1
but I think its time I get a mount for my LMT M4 and the G2 flashlight
BTW yes I could buy a better set up!
But I wont ever use it! civi and use a handgun for home protection
Maybe if I stayed in my Old country home where I had alot of land and my own private shooting range!
Or if my Local range was open at night
so for now I will KISS
Two and a half years later. How are the 6P's holding up as weapon lights? I just mounted my well worn 6P/Z32 in a used KAC 97363 that I bought for $15. I am looking for a lighter alternative to my M951.
theJanitor
02-14-09, 15:18
had this for a while now. on the top gun, i took a 6P, took the head off my 1st gen surefire 1911 weaponlight, threw on the tailcap from a 96x series weaponlight and mounted it in a VLTOR clamp. it also runs a malkoff upgrade.
the other great thing is if i run the surefire rail mounted tapeswitch to the opposite rail, i have full ambi control over a very powerful, durable light. it's been a great, trouble free setup
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h30/grandprixboy/noveske.jpg
tweakmeister
02-14-09, 16:06
I just purchased a couple of these with Malkoff M60W LED bulbs. The LED's are not as susceptible to the "shock" since they have no filament. I also see Larue has a trick new mount out for the 6p style body.
Having run a Scout 600 light for a while, the 6p's with Malkoff LED's bulbs are just as nice.
I just purchased a couple of these with Malkoff M60W LED bulbs. The LED's are not as susceptible to the "shock" since they have no filament. I also see Larue has a trick new mount out for the 6p style body.
Having run a Scout 600 light for a while, the 6p's with Malkoff LED's bulbs are just as nice.
do you have a link to someplace that sells the Malkoff? How much are they? Thanks.
Back in the day I used a 6P with the old Surefire mount that clamped to the barrel. Really had no issues other than the occasional blown bulb because of not having a shock isolated head. We also issue the 6P as our standard light at the moment, though I am pushing to get the LED conversion heads. Also, the mount that we uses blows monkey balls.
Back in the day I used a 6P with the old Surefire mount that clamped to the barrel. Really had no issues other than the occasional blown bulb because of not having a shock isolated head. We also issue the 6P as our standard light at the moment, though I am pushing to get the LED conversion heads. Also, the mount that we uses blows monkey balls.
Out of curiosity, what mount are you guys using?
FromMyColdDeadHand
02-14-09, 19:31
do you have a link to someplace that sells the Malkoff? How much are they? Thanks.
60w is how many lumens???
do you have a link to someplace that sells the Malkoff? How much are they? Thanks.
The Malkoff drop ins are the cats ass, I have the M60 in my Surefire 6Z that sits by my bed. I will replace the P61 in the Surefire 6P that is mounted on my AR with one very soon. They run $63 shipped and are worth every penny in my opinion. The M60L makes a bit more sense for some applications because they put out 140 lumens with a 4 1/2 hour run time. The M60 is 235 lumens for 1 1/2 hours.
http://www.malkoffdevices.com/shop2/index.php?main_page=index&cPath=1_14_18
tweakmeister
02-14-09, 21:25
Note the regular M60 is a whiter light - the M60W is a little "warmer" and allows a little better color recognition in the dark. There are pictures posted somewhere showing the difference.
I signed up to the website to receive email notification when the M60W's were in but never received it. There were a couple on there one day and I jumped...just keep watching the site.
I am almost too ashamed to say it. A POS Command Arms plastic thing. I have my own personal Surefire M600 Scoutlight on my carbine however.
Out of curiosity, what mount are you guys using?
Out of curiosity, what mount are you guys using?
I'm using the GG&G down and dirty mount and it has worked just fine so far.
http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/GGG-DD-Under-Foregrip-Flashlight-Mount-P1193C204.aspx
I am almost too ashamed to say it. A POS Command Arms plastic thing. I have my own personal Surefire M600 Scoutlight on my carbine however.
You mean this one?
http://www.commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=40&cID=19
If so, too late for me. I got one before I knew better and that thing sucks. No matter how much I tighened it, my 6P still moved. I ended up using a weaver scope ring which works far better than that stupid CAA junk.
trunkmonkey
02-17-09, 10:10
surefire X300. can be had for less than $200 on ebay.
I have mine mounted in a LaRue with a Cree LED 120 lumen drop in. Works great. If I were in the market today I'd consider a Streamlight TLR-1.
You mean this one?
http://www.commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=40&cID=19
If so, too late for me. I got one before I knew better and that thing sucks. No matter how much I tighened it, my 6P still moved. I ended up using a weaver scope ring which works far better than that stupid CAA junk.
A little black electrical tape goes a long way...
Note the regular M60 is a whiter light - the M60W is a little "warmer" and allows a little better color recognition in the dark. There are pictures posted somewhere showing the difference.
I signed up to the website to receive email notification when the M60W's were in but never received it. There were a couple on there one day and I jumped...just keep watching the site.
I just got the M60W. Very nice in my $25 Gander Mountain camo G2 (from a note someone posted back last Fall)
Will be getting some more of these drop ins for my old 6P (and the M30 for my old 3P) and also for my other G2
Yes, that is it. They are plastic hunks of shit AFAIAC.
You mean this one?
http://www.commandarms.com/product.asp?pID=40&cID=19
If so, too late for me. I got one before I knew better and that thing sucks. No matter how much I tighened it, my 6P still moved. I ended up using a weaver scope ring which works far better than that stupid CAA junk.
I'm using the GG&G down and dirty mount and it has worked just fine so far.
http://www.diamondbacktactical.com/GGG-DD-Under-Foregrip-Flashlight-Mount-P1193C204.aspx
Does the flashlight take up much space on the handguard? I dismissed the GGG mount at first, but now that I have a sling on the gun, that mount might be the ticket. I've done somthing similar with a 4" ergo rail extending past the handguard, but I didn't care for part of my hand being on the rail to reach the light. The GGG D&D mount might be what I need.
http://i2.photobucket.com/albums/y29/Rinspeed/Surefire-3.jpg
Thanks for the pic. The D&D mount is looking better all the time.
One more question Rinspeed. Does the D&D mount attach with one screw or two? If it just uses one, did they design the mount so it wouldn't twist? Sorry for asking dumb questions, but I'm trying to spend less and I want to be sure of what I'm buying.
It attaches with two screws and is very secure but I'm a bit anal about hardware as far as locktite and proper tightening.
cchccrowder
03-03-09, 16:42
I don't want to hijack but does anyone know about any tape switches for the 6p? I looked at two other threads and i think it just got me confused. Will a TR1 pentagon tape switch work on a 6p? what do you guys recommend?
theJanitor
03-03-09, 17:05
use the tailcap/tape switch from the 96x series of lights. it allows for use of the tape switch AND the button. here's a pic of one. i was trying out different tape switch locations. this position actually feels really good
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h30/grandprixboy/toprailxtswitch010.jpg
cchccrowder
03-03-09, 20:33
awesome thanks.
Thomas M-4
09-02-09, 22:25
use the tailcap/tape switch from the 96x series of lights. it allows for use of the tape switch AND the button. here's a pic of one. i was trying out different tape switch locations. this position actually feels really good
http://i60.photobucket.com/albums/h30/grandprixboy/toprailxtswitch010.jpg
Thats very similar to what I think I will set up my weapon light.
SF 6p body, z32 bezel and the tailcap/rail switch from the 96x with a malkoff m-60 using vltor off set mount.
I am not to knowledgeable with flash light does it sound like a winner..:D
Solscud007
09-04-09, 07:54
I didnt read the entire thread. But make sure you guys are running LED dropins in your 6Ps. preferably a malkoff M60. Incandescent bulbs are not shock isolated in the 6P stock head. you could get a M2 style head if you really wanted to use incandescent.
Also if you guys shoot a lot, and I mean A LOT, look out for deformed battery terminals. true weaponlights like the Scout and Millenium Universal weapon lights are designed to isolate the movement and travel of the batteries due to recoil.
in a normal 6P, recoil will shake the light and the batteries will "float" and move because the only things holding them in place are the springs in the tailcap and the springs in the lamp. it is like bouncing inside a rubber room. the batteries will bounce into each other.
there are many examples of this. even heard of a police officer having to switch out batteries cause his MP5-SD6 was deforming batteries and there is hardly any recoil in those guns.
Doc Safari
08-19-13, 11:42
Resurrecting this from the dead because I can't find solid info for comparison.
I received a Surefire 6P as a gift. I'm upgrading it with an LED head and click tailcap.
Can I mount it with a Vltor G series quick detachable mount or do I need something else?
I guess I could dismount my G2 from my primary weapon and check it that way but I hate to do that.
EDITED TO ADD: If I have to I'll order a Surefire M79 mount but I prefer the Vltor.
WABAC
http://i444.photobucket.com/albums/qq169/bbossman1/peabody_zps240ec6f3.jpg
According to the Vltor website you need Model #SMQ-OCG
Many years ago, I realized that there was a need for quality, low cost lights for the everyday shooter. This is why I came out with the working man's weaponlights: http://www.gandrtactical.com/lights.htm
C4
Grant, your link just goes to Homepage.
Grant, your link just goes to Homepage.
Probably because the link is 7 years old...
I've had an LED 6P for several years and have had it clamped to everything from an AK to AR and it works just fine,right now it's attached to my 6920.
I've also carried it a good bit so it has the dings to show it.
It is a bit dim however,looking to get one of those aftermarket LED modules and kick it up to 170 or so lumen's.
I've had an LED 6P for several years and have had it clamped to everything from an AK to AR and it works just fine,right now it's attached to my 6920.
I've also carried it a good bit so it has the dings to show it.
It is a bit dim however,looking to get one of those aftermarket LED modules and kick it up to 170 or so lumen's.
i have been using them for over 15/so yrs and NO FAILURES at all.
surefire doesnt like it but they want to sell the high priced stuff.
1st time i shot with owner of v-tac at a 3 gun his guys all had them on work guns. 1996/97. guess that called a "clue" my cop bud's tell me
have them on 6-8 ar's also. have used g&r's 2-3 battey set up a lot. didnt know he still makes them. cool kit.
jjw
Doc Safari
08-19-13, 16:27
I've had an LED 6P for several years and have had it clamped to everything from an AK to AR and it works just fine,right now it's attached to my 6920.
What mount are you using? What I've been able to glean from various websites is that the Vltor "E" series is more appropriate than the "G" series, but then I run across a couple of places where they say the "G" Vltor mount will work.
Probably because the link is 7 years old...
.............:D
What mount are you using? What I've been able to glean from various websites is that the Vltor "E" series is more appropriate than the "G" series, but then I run across a couple of places where they say the "G" Vltor mount will work.
This:
http://www.vikingtactics.com/lightsmounts_lightmount.html
And a two inch Ergo plastic rail screwed to my M4 handguard,the mount says it fits .80 to one inch diameter lights.
Probably because the link is 7 years old...
.............:D
http://i.imgur.com/B97XloLl.jpg
my bad
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