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CarlosDJackal
12-21-09, 19:27
http://i176.photobucket.com/albums/w169/CarlosDJackal/SnowPoster-1.jpg
SeriousStudent
12-21-09, 19:42
BWHAhahahahahaha!!!!! :D
Not a very sound argument but I guess some could find it funny.
I'm not sure if he is a bold-faced liar or just too stupid to realize that when Earth's core temp climbed to several million degrees recently, the surface was bound to warm a tad as well.
As for the snow, I am SOOOOO jealous!
If it would snow like that here in the next 8 hours I'd have tomorrow off.
I would REALLY like to sit through one of them lake effect storms like they get in Buffalo.
10 or 12 feet of snow would be sweet.
I find it quite ironic that the week of the Copenhagen conference on global warming (sic), the US suffers one of the worst snow storms in many years. I still remember all the horror stories they threw at us as kids about the coming ice age and all the theories as to how to avert same. Blather...
All it takes is the sun to become slightly more or less active and we get pseudoscientists running around telling us it's all our fault. (And con artists cashing in on the crisis du jour.)
The greatest wisdom of man is but foolishness to God...
CarlosDJackal
12-22-09, 09:41
Not a very sound argument but I guess some could find it funny.
Oh, lighten up Francis! :rolleyes:
MarshallDodge
12-22-09, 09:45
Someone forgot to check Al's credentials. :p
Not a very sound argument but I guess some could find it funny.
Yeah, the science is settled. I'm still waiting for the first of their predicitions to come true before I start in on the second, third and fourth waves of their mutating predictions. :rolleyes:
Global warming was about the seas engulfing the coastal towns and cities. Earthquakes. Mosquitoes in alpine towns. Malaria pandemics. CO2 emissions unlike anything in history. Blizzards and record snow is just the latest mutation of the claims, because we all know that when the earth's ocean temperatures rise we get HUGE hurricanes, and HUGE snow. But wait, a few decades ago that was what happened when the earth was cooling off...and an ice age was coming if we didn't act then.
So which is it? Or do we really not understand climate change that has been oscillating for a few billion years and of which we have less than 0.0000001% of the data possibly available??
Even if we have 300 years of rock hard unimpeachable data, there are still ~4,499,999,700 years of data that we are missing.
I'd say that the earth is acting normally, and changing some emissions gasses from humans now is not going to effect it that much one way another. It's also certainly not going to do anything if India, China, Korea and Russia continue to vent R12 and equivalents to atmosphere completely unchecked, and they continue to pollute industrially with unfiltered coal, and natural gas burning.
All that being said, lighten the hell up. It's a funny poster!!!
I find it quite ironic that the week of the Copenhagen conference on global warming (sic), the US suffers one of the worst snow storms in many years. I still remember all the horror stories they threw at us as kids about the coming ice age and all the theories as to how to avert same. Blather...
All it takes is the sun to become slightly more or less active and we get pseudoscientists running around telling us it's all our fault. (And con artists cashing in on the crisis du jour.)
The greatest wisdom of man is but foolishness to God...
It's only ironic to those who have little understanding of "global warming" or more accurately called "global climate change". More extreme weather (hot or cold) gives the scenario more credibility.
I'm not going to say that pollution is causing it, I'm not scientist and there are too many variables to account for. What I can say with a high degree of confidence is that we need to be paying attention, because if our climate tilts in one direction too much, it could be like hitting the reset button. Then again, Earth could be a whole lot more resilient than some think. It's better to err on the side of caution.
...it could be...
There is a whole lot of that phrase going around. Spending trillions on something that nobody has even a passing guess on, is pretty stupid.
It could also be nothing at all, no measurable change or effect for the next 20,000 years.
The EPA now says that excess CO2 is the culprit. That's ironic, considering the devices which they mandate on all cars in the US produce CO2 as a primary byproduct -- the catalytic converter takes the CO and catalyzes it to CO2.
Not a very sound argument but I guess some could find it funny.
Scientifically it is relatively more sound than the pseudo-science bullshit engaged in by so-called climatologists in cherry-picking data and virtually making stuff up out of thin air to fit their agenda.
At least this is based on actual observations :rolleyes:
I know, I know; I speak heresy in the eyes of the Enlightened Church of the ManBearPig.
...just too stupid to realize that when Earth's core temp climbed to several million degrees recently, the surface was bound to warm a tad as well.
That clip of Al Gore saying that the Earth's core temp is in the millions of degrees is priceless.
It's only ironic to those who have little understanding of "global warming" or more accurately called "global climate change". More extreme weather (hot or cold) gives the scenario more credibility.
I'm not going to say that pollution is causing it, I'm not scientist and there are too many variables to account for. What I can say with a high degree of confidence is that we need to be paying attention, because if our climate tilts in one direction too much, it could be like hitting the reset button. Then again, Earth could be a whole lot more resilient than some think. It's better to err on the side of caution.
No, it really doesn't. It just makes these green fascists appear even more absurd; as they engage in typical limosine liberal ivory tower elitist behavior by engaging in the very activities that they tell the lowly proletariat are destroying the world by heating, and they are engaging in those activities because of how damn cold it is.
Err on the side of caution? The only "side" being promoted is one that implements global control, global socialism, the end of national sovereignty, etc. The green fascists and the transnationalists are using this contrived MMGW™ crisis (and the financial meltdown, for which an argument could be made that the system was made to collapse intentionally) to institute their uber-progressive agenda. Never let a crisis go to waste and all. The earth has heated and cooled on it's own for eleventy billion years and will continue to do so; and that big ball of nuclear fusion in the sky has a bit to do with things as well. Saving the planet is simply smoke and mirrors, and far too many people have taken the bait. Individual liberty is being systematically stamped out in the name of false security.
John_Wayne777
12-22-09, 10:21
It's only ironic to those who have little understanding of "global warming" or more accurately called "global climate change". More extreme weather (hot or cold) gives the scenario more credibility.
For it to have more credibility it would require more "extreme" weather than we've seen in the past.
When the environuts were warning us about an oncoming ice age we had extreme hurricanes, snowfall, tornadoes, etc. When their ice age theory didn't pan out (while, interestingly enough, carbon emissions levels were the highest in our nation's history...skyrocketing carbon emissions and the globe was getting COOLER...imagine that) global warming became the cause du jour and we still had...extreme hurricanes, snowfall, tornadoes, etc. Global temps have been going down for several years now (in absolute defiance of predictions made a few years ago) and suddenly it's now "climate change" that we're to be afraid of...and the evidence is:
Hurricanes, snowfall, tornadoes, etc.
Ya. I'm not buying it.
There's an abundance of evidence that the earth has gone through a LOT of climate change in its history...and the vast majority of it happened long before the industrial revolution. The earth has cooled and warmed in the past without any significant human intervention. The prophets of climate doom speak as if climate was stable and unchanging until the mean capitalists started running factories.
That's nonsense. The dire predictions made by the environuts are consistently wrong, and yet they consistently insist that they need lots of money and absolute control to save us from the life-ending disaster that they've been wrong about a bunch of times.
As for erring on the side of "caution"....the multi-trillion dollar emissions schemes cooked up by the environuts are supposed to affect global temps by a maximum of 2 degrees...and may think that's an insanely optimistic number. The cost/benefit analysis fails.
tracker722
12-22-09, 10:25
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As for erring on the side of "caution"....the multi-trillion dollar emissions schemes cooked up by the environuts are supposed to affect global temps by a maximum of 2 degrees...and may think that's an insanely optimistic number. The cost/benefit analysis fails.
And whatever temperature reduction value being trumpeted is based on a system of modeling and data collection and retention that is, to put it very generously, extremely suspect at best.
The one aspect of this whole mess that is crystal clear is NOT what the weather/climate will be in 20 years; but that people are going to get filthy rich, and you and I will be paying more for everything to make that happen, at the expense of our economy and even our way of life.
It's only ironic to those who have little understanding of "global warming" or more accurately called "global climate change".
... I'm not scientist ...
Uh-huh. That puts you on par with Algore at least. He's not an expert either.
1000 years ago, if it was a bad winter or dry summer, God was mad at you. But if you payed money or crops or something to your religious figures (whom either controlled the gov or flat out were the gov) then they would make it ok with god and fix it for you. I am so glad we are not that stupid anymore. Now days, if you go through a bad winter or bad summer it is your fault for burning too much carbon, but if you pay more money to the government they will fix it for you and make it all better. Hooray for our new found intelligence:rolleyes: Look, the earth goes up in temp and it goes down in temp without regard for us. Who was making it go up when it was so warm in the middle ages, and then how did they cut their carbon enough to cause the mini-ice age after that? I thought that it was a funny coincidence that every time earth goes up or down in temp so does Mars. Hmmm maybe, just maybe our temp is controlled by that big nuclear fireball in the sky that some call the sun. Now this is not to say that there is no pollution that we need to either fix or simply not do, but our carbon has nothing to do with it. Climate Change is just about control and nothing more.
There is no question the earth is in the process of heating up. The Scientific community is in complete agreement on this. What is still not 100% sure is the main causes for this. No doubt humanity contributed to this, but how much is still not answered. Governments claims that we are the main cause is in no way substantiated.
That being said, I thought the poster was Damn funny.
Uh-huh. That puts you on par with Algore at least. He's not an expert either.
Touché! :)
CarlosDJackal
12-22-09, 11:51
We would not be having this conversation if it wasn't for Algore...he did create the internet and was the inspiration for "Love Story". Brilliant man and a fellow Tennessean. If he says the earth is warming, we better listen.:rolleyes:
Don't forget that he also helped invent the electronic calculator!! :D
I love the new buzzword they are using nowadays: "CLIMATE CHANGE". I always thought that this is something that went with the seasons as well as geographic areas and is something we actually need and want. Or was I mistaken about all that? :confused:
There is no question the earth is in the process of heating up. The Scientific community is in complete agreement on this. What is still not 100% sure is the main causes for this. No doubt humanity contributed to this, but how much is still not answered. Governments claims that we are the main cause is in no way substantiated.
No, the scientific community isn't in agreement. In fact, the nature of the emails that were hacked leads me to believe that if you didn't tow the line that it was heating up, then you were shunned from publication. In fact, many of the emails latched on to by the media and released specifically talk about excluding differing opinions/data.
Also, it would appear that in light of the emails coming out, the the Climate Research group is stating that the only data left is the post-processed numbers. No raw data to be had.
Lastly, just like we couldn't predict Mount Saint Helen's or the big tsunami a few years ago, we can't predict much of anything with certainty in regards to cyclical events happening on Earth. Even if the temps are up over the last 30 years, there is no data available, or of a large enough sample size, to say that the temps will not cool off in a heating and cooling oscillation.
30 years is a gnat's ass hair in the grand scheme of things.
http://online.wsj.com/article/SB10001424052748704107604574607793378860698.html?mod=rss_Today's_Most_Popular
that the pic is funny. It's sunny and about 48degF here in SoCal!
Even if the temps are up over the last 30 years, there is no data available, or of a large enough sample size, to say that the temps will not cool off in a heating and cooling oscillation.
30 years is a gnat's ass hair in the grand scheme of things.
True. It's a really rough accusation considering what little evidence we can procure.
When I said the photo was a bad argument, I was right in the sense that it is a bad argument. It's like claiming global warming is true because it's hot out. I hope you can see the extremism of it; a fallacy of sorts. I'm a bit more analytical about things than most so I really couldn't find it funny since I tend to use logic and reason before reacting.
True. It's a really rough accusation considering what little evidence we can procure.
When I said the photo was a bad argument, I was right in the sense that it is a bad argument. It's like claiming global warming is true because it's hot out. I hope you can see the extremism of it; a fallacy of sorts. I'm a bit more analytical about things than most so I really couldn't find it funny since I tend to use logic and reason before reacting.
Oh good God! Smug much? Get over yourself.:rolleyes:
True. It's a really rough accusation considering what little evidence we can procure.
When I said the photo was a bad argument, I was right in the sense that it is a bad argument. It's like claiming global warming is true because it's hot out. I hope you can see the extremism of it; a fallacy of sorts. I'm a bit more analytical about things than most so I really couldn't find it funny since I tend to use logic and reason before reacting.
How's the weather up there?
Sheesh.
For all your self-proclaimed analytical abilities, you sure as hell aren't noticing the 800 pound gorilla in the room; which is that it is a FREAKING JOKE. Satire. I assure you, neither myself, the OP, or anyone else in here who thinks that the picture in the OP is funny actually believe that the mere existence of sub-freezing precipitation means that there is no such thing as global warming.
John_Wayne777
12-22-09, 14:08
Let's all simmah down now....
CarlosDJackal
12-22-09, 14:56
...John, just do it man. He's out of chances and you know it. You expect this situation to get better in any way?!? Come on, make it an xmas gift for me. :D
+∞ :) (Done and done!!)
CarlosDJackal
12-22-09, 15:43
...30 years is a gnat's ass hair in the grand scheme of things.
Hell, even a thousand years is but a fraction of a second in terms of the Earth's existence. I once got into an argument over how thousands of years of evidence obtained by drilling ice cores from the mountains of Chile, trumps a couple of hundred years' worth or manually-recorded data.
But the sheep won't hear of it.
This is the 3rd thread I've vistited on this site today that turned into a pissing match for no reason. Usually the same people involved too. I came into it thinking I was going to see some funny stuff about hating snow, which, living in Chicago, I do. The first post was funny, then the train derailed...again.
So here's a reason to like snow again. ;)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/3046862336_159900751d.jpg
Info on the ice core drilling? That sounds pretty cool.
I hope none of you are getting the impression that I'm some sort of 'liberal'. It doesn't matter what 'side' you're on to realize that it was just a bad argument. If I made one with polar bears collapsed from heat exhaustion in the polar regions with a caption dispelling the claims that global warming was a hoax, none of you would find it funny. Jokes are all about appealing to your audience and for this one I didn't find it funny because I can't say I have a definite opinion on the matter anyways. Fox News or MSNBC, I don't want to believe what either of them claim about it. Statistics are very easy to manipulate for any favor. With scientists taking both sides you can't really prove any of this easily at all. Personally I hate talking about it.
so have a cheeseburger and a coke and relax, guy
and we've got a lot of snow coming on christmas day here in kc. cant wait. moved firewood and put out some more hay for the horses this evening in anticipation.
tracker722
12-22-09, 16:01
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+1 :D (I would put infinity but can't figure out how to post that character)
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Cut/copy and paste C-Dog.
yeah it's alt-236
had a semester of calculus where the professor just loved details like that on reports like proofs and the like. alt 236 for ∞ and alt 167 for the º symbol (degree)
http://epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?id=266543
http://epw.senate.gov/hearing_statements.cfm?id=266543
I agree with him.
yeah it's alt-236
had a semester of calculus where the professor just loved details like that on reports like proofs and the like. alt 236 for ∞ and alt 167 for the º symbol (degree)
Speaking of the keyboard shortcuts, I need to get a hold of Gore and see if you knows any that work on my laptop. :p
Have to use character map a lot as I love the special characters.
And back on topic, just got back in from running the blowsnower for a while getting ready for tomorrow and Christmas Eve.
Some places in Iowa are said to maybe get 24 to 27 inches!!!
Hell yeah!!!
Lucky bastards, it'll miss me; always does.
Hold on,
What type of car is that? Is it a Prius? If so, it's his fault his car is covered in snow.
It's mid summer here, we had some snow last week. All this whining over a few feet of snow. Wusses.
CarlosDJackal
12-22-09, 22:05
...So here's a reason to like snow again. ;)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/3046862336_159900751d.jpg
Oh my freaking God!! Snow? What snow?
See, if the producers of that Al Gore movie had used one or all of these Snow Bunnies to explain Global Warning, Greenhouse gases, Climate Change, or what-have-you; I probably owuld have paid to see that movie. FWIW, I've never seen any part of said movie.
This is the 3rd thread I've vistited on this site today that turned into a pissing match for no reason. Usually the same people involved too. I came into it thinking I was going to see some funny stuff about hating snow, which, living in Chicago, I do. The first post was funny, then the train derailed...again.
So here's a reason to like snow again. ;)
http://farm4.static.flickr.com/3157/3046862336_159900751d.jpg
I'm with you...
I'm going snow boarding for the first time next month...I don't have any snow gear so I was going to wear my old gortex, but shit this looks a lot more fun!
There is no question the earth is in the process of heating up. The Scientific community is in complete agreement on this. What is still not 100% sure is the main causes for this. No doubt humanity contributed to this, but how much is still not answered. Governments claims that we are the main cause is in no way substantiated.
That being said, I thought the poster was Damn funny.
That's a negative.
The earth has been cooling for at least the 11 years.
http://www.onenewsnow.com/Politics/Default.aspx?id=68277
C4
True. It's a really rough accusation considering what little evidence we can procure.
When I said the photo was a bad argument, I was right in the sense that it is a bad argument. It's like claiming global warming is true because it's hot out. I hope you can see the extremism of it; a fallacy of sorts. I'm a bit more analytical about things than most so I really couldn't find it funny since I tend to use logic and reason before reacting.
First ALGORE stated that everything was getting warmer. Then when he realized that the Earth has actually be cooling (and many scientists are worried about another ice age), he changed it to "Global Climate Change." Basically stating that man is causing the Erratic shifts in temps.
http://www.iceagenow.com/
I am sure when we go through a couple years of things heating up, ALGORE will go back to the "global warming" thing. :rolleyes:
C4
Info on the ice core drilling? That sounds pretty cool.
I hope none of you are getting the impression that I'm some sort of 'liberal'. It doesn't matter what 'side' you're on to realize that it was just a bad argument. If I made one with polar bears collapsed from heat exhaustion in the polar regions with a caption dispelling the claims that global warming was a hoax, none of you would find it funny. Jokes are all about appealing to your audience and for this one I didn't find it funny because I can't say I have a definite opinion on the matter anyways. Fox News or MSNBC, I don't want to believe what either of them claim about it. Statistics are very easy to manipulate for any favor. With scientists taking both sides you can't really prove any of this easily at all. Personally I hate talking about it.
so have a cheeseburger and a coke and relax, guy
and we've got a lot of snow coming on christmas day here in kc. cant wait. moved firewood and put out some more hay for the horses this evening in anticipation.
The ironic part is, there was no intent for the poster to cause an argument to begin with. It's like going to a steak house and complaining there's no Tofu. You are right about jokes appealing to the crowd and I'd guess that the OP was spot on with his audience, save one.
I also find it ironic that in a recent article, they'd published that polar bear breeding is UP. Imagine that, poor polar bears are so exhausted and hungry that the only energy they can muster is for sex.
It's funny overall. Humans are so ignorant of their impact. AlGore and his ilk are spewing this crap in hopes to "save the earth". I've got news for him, the earth doesn't care one iota if we're here or not. It got along just fine without us for hundreds of thousands of years, it'll get along just fine when we are gone. AlGore isn't spouting this crap because of his concern for the earth, he's doing it to make money off of peoples fears. There were dominant species on this planet before us, and there will be dominant species here after we are gone and turned to dust. Humans will have their time, and that will be determined by our ability to adapt, not increasing mpg by 2% or by culling China to a few less metric tons of waste per day. Do we need to be good stewards of the ship we're on? You bet, but falsifying data in order to do it isn't the answer. Our (perceived) mastery of technology hasn't conjured up a solution (or the stolen data tapes, sorry for the Star Wars reference, it just jumped in there) because it's not profitable, not because they can't do it. There's just no money in it yet, once there is, solutions will pop out of the woodwork.
tracker722
12-23-09, 10:16
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30 cal slut
12-23-09, 13:26
Carlos,
In the spirit of greenhouse gas emissions ...
I break wind in your general direction.
http://www.mydisplayimage.com/blog/premium/anim_fart.gif
:D
CarlosDJackal
12-23-09, 23:49
Carlos,
In the spirit of greenhouse gas emissions ...
I break wind in your general direction.
http://www.mydisplayimage.com/blog/premium/anim_fart.gif
A:D
I take offense to that. I think it is an inaccurate and poor argument for Green Gas Emissions. ;)
Have a Merry Christmas, Ben!!
http://www.geocraft.com/WVFossils/ice_ages.html
This isn't the graph I was looking for, but it's to late and I'm headed for bed now.
If you look at the whole picture, you will see that we are normal right now and not at any "Hockey Stick Al Gore BS". He did not show the whole picture, just the very short past. This planet can and will take care of itself. After all, for those who believe, Who created it?
Periods of Earth warming and cooling occur in cycles. This is well understood, as is the fact that small-scale cycles of about 40 years exist within larger-scale cycles of 400 years, which in turn exist inside still larger scale cycles of 20,000 years, and so on.
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Example of regional variations in surface air temperature for the last 1000 years, estimated from a variety of sources, including temperature-sensitive tree growth indices and written records of various kinds, largely from western Europe and eastern North America. Shown are changes in regional temperature in ° C, from the baseline value for 1900. Compiled by R. S. Bradley and J. A. Eddy based on J. T. Houghton et al., Climate Change: The IPCC Assessment, Cambridge UniversityPress, Cambridge, 1990 and published in EarthQuest, vol 5, no 1, 1991. Courtesy of Thomas Crowley, Remembrance of Things Past: Greenhouse Lessons from the Geologic Record
Earth's climate was in a cool period from A.D. 1400 to about A.D. 1860, dubbed the "Little Ice Age." This period was characterized by harsh winters, shorter growing seasons, and a drier climate. The decline in global temperatures was a modest 1/2° C, but the effects of this global cooling cycle were more pronounced in the higher latitudes. The Little Ice Age has been blamed for a host of human suffering including crop failures like the "Irish Potato Famine" and the demise of the medieval Viking colonies in Greenland.
Today we enjoy global temperatures which have warmed back to levels of the so called "Medieval Warm Period," which existed from approximately A.D. 1000 to A.D. 1350.
30 cal slut
12-24-09, 06:55
Have a Merry Christmas, Ben!!
You too, my friend! (and stay safe).
After all, for those who believe, Who created it?
Right you are. God created us (and all the animals). We breath out CO2. Does anyone REALLY think that God would allow us to kill ourselves with what we exhale???
C4
Right you are. God created us (and all the animals). We breath out CO2. Does anyone REALLY think that God would allow us to kill ourselves with what we exhale???
C4
Yes.
Oxygen harms us too.
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