View Full Version : LEOs, what do you carry on duty?
Im about a month out from graduating the academy and just curious to see what others out there are carrying. Also, what would you carry if you could choose your duty weapon? Right now I'm planning on running my Glock 17 depending on where I get hired.
I carry a Springfield Professional Operator right now. The only thing that could pry it from my side right now would/will be my John Jardine customized Colt whenever it is finished.
At this chapter of your career the Glock 17 or whatever they issue you will work just fine. Concentrate on passing FTO and probation and worry about guns and other stuff later.
badcatbigbat
12-29-09, 22:29
Regretfully a Ruger P89, department issue.
a glock 19 and a glock 26
Plainclothes, issued a P229R DAK, carry a P2000SK instead.
Issued: Glock 21C
If I could: Glock 22
Before you buy, what's the depart issue, do they offer a optional duty pistol program, what caliber, and what were you trained with Beretta, Glock, S&W, HK, etc. in the police academy?
I carry the Glock 22, we issue the S&W MP 40. The Glocks and S&W MP works fine.
Serpico1985
12-29-09, 23:00
Issued: M&P40 Fullsize
If I could pick I'd still go with the M&P40 or 45 with the option of changing the stock novak's night sights to straight 8's. Add a weapon light (currently only swat and another special unit are allowed to have lights on their pistols) and I'd be good to go. Love the M&P, by far the best gun the department has ever issued.
Good luck to you. Listen to your FTO(s) and ask questions. Pay attention, stay alert, and write great reports. They are a reflection of you and your department. You never know how many people will be reading them.
And NEVER GIVE UP! You will go home at the end of every shift.
To answer your question, I am issued a Sig P229 DAK in .357 sig. The ammo is 125gr Speer Gold dot. We just switched. We used to carry SW 4043's that had seen better days. I like the way the .357 sig shoots over the .40. If I could have picked my own, I would carry a Glock 31. I like glock trigger pull better than the DAK. Whatever you are ultimately issued or if you can pick your own, practice, practice, practice with it.
Once upon a time, Sig 226 in 9mm, it is a superb pistol and handles great.......... I am no longer in LE.
NCPatrolAR
12-29-09, 23:12
Currently use a M&P40 (fullsize) with an Insight Procyon light (would change to a X300 if they would let me) and a Glock 26 (personal gun). I love the M&P and would stick with it even I was allowed to carry something else.
firecop019
12-29-09, 23:24
M&P40 here too, with Streamlight TLR1 all department issue. Dream gun I guess would be S&W Gunsite 1911.
Issued a Glock 21C as well as a pistol light which is a Surefire X300 for me. This is the same model I purchased for carry at my previous agency.
Regretfully a Ruger P89, department issue.
Unfortunetly I can top that....Ruger P89DAO. :( No choice.
Department issued Sig P226R-9mm (DA/SA) with Ranger-T 127gr +P+. I like it jus fine and wouldn't switch.
My agency requires deputies to provide their own pistols.
Most of our guys use Glocks. There are some Sigs, Berettas, HK's, Smiths, and a few 1911s.
My duty gun is a NHC/VT 1911.
Having said all that, know that my agency is not the norm.
G17 loaded with Ranger T +P 124gr.
ChicagoTex
12-30-09, 04:54
Not sure if I really qualify to post in this thread, but I'll offer my contribution anyway:
When I was an armed private security officer, I carried a Beretta 92FS in a Safariland SLS Belt Holster.
Never had to draw it in 3 years.
If I went back into that kind of work, I wouldn't hesitate to carry my 92FS again - but I'd be more inclined to go for the lighter weight and greater simplicity of a Glock 17 or M&P9.
Unfortunately I can top that....Ruger P89DAO. :( No choice.
I honestly didn't think that there were any departments out there that actually issued Ruger semi-autos.
I'm issued a Sig Sauer P220
glockshooter
12-30-09, 07:46
My dept issues HK USP40 compact or fullsize your choice. I carry the fullsize. I carry a HK P2000 40 off duty. I carried a Glock 19 and 17 for my previous dept. I would carry a glock of what ever caliber the the dept pays for if I had my choice.
Matt
Glock 17 with a stock trigger, surefire X300 and tru-grip carried in a Safariland 6304. I honestly wouldnt carry anything else. The bombproof reliability and good accuracy and shootability of the 17 make it the perfect combat handgun in my opinion. Good luck and be safe.
woodandsteel
12-30-09, 08:23
We are given the choice of either the Glock 22 or 23. I currently carry a Glock 23. I may go back to the Glock 22 however.
Issued: Glock 21C
If I could: Glock 22
Glocktogo, is anything about the 21 that you do not like? Just curious.
Concentrate on being good at the job. It is today when you will set the foundation for your career.
Smith and Wesson M&P full size .40 with X300, in a Raven IWB holster.
And or
Smith and Wesson 340 in a Bruce Nelson ankle rig.
issued a glock 22, dept has 27's but at this point they are not issued for off duty carry:(
For now Sig 220R with Surefire X200B personally owned and Ruger Sp101
Dept. is switching to Glock 21SF with TLR lights. No personal guns to be carried on duty. Even talk of no personal weapons off duty.
I'm not a LEO but I feel compelled to comment on this thread. I really think it is outrageous that city governments are more concerned about potential law suits than officers’ safety. Excuse the rant but a decade ago I was news photographer and had the opportunity to work with many officers and know the restraints you are under.
I understand if there are no replies to this post because of the concern of possible consequences. But just know there are those of us that really appreciate you and the job you do.
Sorry for the hijack, I’m new to this site but I just had to say what was on my mind.
We are issued Glock 22s, but can carry pretty much any Glock in .40S&W or .45ACP.
I currently carry a Glock 35, as I feel like it is the best choice out of the bunch (for me anyway). If I could carry anything it would probably be a Glock 34.
Before you buy, what's the depart issue, do they offer a optional duty pistol program, what caliber, and what were you trained with Beretta, Glock, S&W, HK, etc. in the police academy?
PA is a little backwards. Unless you are hired by a bigger city, (Philly, Pittsburgh, Harrisburg) most people put themselves through the academy on thier own. It is up to them to find a job after the academy. Most start out part time. At the academy I used my personal Glock 17.
Glock 22 w/x200 and 27.
Agency issue is G22. Glock 9s and 45's are authorized. Few old schools with Sigs and Smiths.
If you took your G17 to the academy, and your agency will allow it, carry the G17 and some good ammo. Nothing wrong with a reliable 9-mm.
Like others have said before, now's the time to work your way through FT&E, soak up as much as you can, and just concentrate on everything else the job can throw at you besides shooting (keep practicing though). If your department hosts open range dates (no instruction, just come and shoot) see what others are carrying, and ask why. Try some stuff out too. That way, you'll know what's authorized for on duty and off, and what you like out of those.
We transitioned to the GLOCK21 a couple years ago. Issued with a TLR-1 and Safariland 6280 holster. We have the option to carry any .45 off the approved manufacturer list as long as it is DAO, DA/SA, or striker-fired. When were were issued 9mm Smith 6906's before the G21's, there was a large mix of personally owned G19's, G17's, Sig226's, HK USP's, Beretta 92's. Now, there is no one that doesn't carry the G21.
I honestly didn't think that there were any departments out there that actually issued Ruger semi-autos.
There are, but you may only need two hands to count them, though. I believe Wisconsin State Patrol was one of the last big(ger) Ruger agencies to fall.
Isn't BOP is still in Rugers?
With the exception of their LCP and LCR sales, Ruger is pretty much irrelovent in the LE market.
My Dpt. Allows us to carry any Glock 9,40,45
I had a my G22 that i went through the accademy with, carried that for my first few years, im carrying a G 21 with surefire X300 on it now
Like many have said.. Carry the 17 if you agency lets you. you are going to have to spend money on other things, clipboards, ticket books, lights, boots, ect. the 17 will serve you well
listen to your FTO's learn the trade, stay safe... THen if you feel the need upgrade.
Current carry is a Glock 22 (dept issued) carried a G17 for years before that. I've never had any issues with either gun but the powers that be are thinking of changing.
Back up/secondary guns are at officers own expense. I carry a S&W 342 in off side pocket.
gtmtnbiker98
12-30-09, 12:18
Sig P229R .40 loaded with 165gr SGDHP.
Glock 23 loaded w/ Federal .40 SWA 180 gr. JHP since 1996, Smith & Wesson 637 w/ Gold Dot 135 gr. for secondary.
Code3Patriot
12-30-09, 12:46
Department issued weapon, no other to be carried on duty: P226R (DA/SA) .357 loaded with 125 gr. Speer Gold Dots.
We're mandated to have department issued CT grips on our weapon.
In addition to that I'm running a X300 in a Safariland 6360.
First gig the only constraints were that it was a .45, I used a Sig P 220. Current job you have a choice of a Glock 22, 23 or 35, I prefer the 35 and carry that. Were required to have an eight pound trigger in the Glock. My new job I will be issued a Glock 22 with regular trigger (thank god).
Beat Trash
12-30-09, 14:33
Going on 4th year for an issued M&P 9mm. It's much better than the 5946 it replaced.
If I had a choice, I might consider an M&P in either 40 or 45 caliber. I was a tough sell on the M&P, but now I'm sold on them.
I'm issued a Glock 37 (45GAP).
Kentucky Cop
12-30-09, 14:55
I will flog this horse a little more I guess......
I carry Glock 22. We are allowed to carry Glock 17, 19, and the 26 in an off-duty capacity. (9mm's). In the .40 cal range, we are allowed the 22, 23, and of course the 27 for off duty. No weapon lights authorized as of yet and probably wont be.
We also have several manufactures of Rifles we are allowed to choose from. Smith and Wesson, Colt, Bushmaster, DPMS, Rock River, Armalite, Sabre Defence, and Double Star. I roll with a 6920 and MP15T in the trunk.
SWATcop556
12-30-09, 18:02
Curently issued a Glock 31C in .357 with a X300.
My new assignment Ill be carrying the Glock 17 with a X300 for warrant service and a Glock 19 for plainclothes. Ammo is Speer GD 124 gr +P.
DARK-KNIGHT
12-30-09, 20:41
Issue: G22
Back -up: G27
G21 if it was my choice.
http://03designgroup.com/photo/why-glock-why-9mm/icon-why-glock-why-9mm.jpg
03designgroup | Why Glock, why 9mm? http://demigodllc.com/icon/extwh3.png (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/why-glock-why-9mm)
I honestly didn't think that there were any departments out there that actually issued Ruger semi-autos.
I worked for a state corrections agency that issued the Ruger P95. They allowed probation/parole officers to carry their own DA/striker auto in 9mm or .45 ACP. When I retired, I was carrying the mandated Glock 23 .40.
NCPatrolAR
12-30-09, 21:41
I honestly didn't think that there were any departments out there that actually issued Ruger semi-autos.
The only agency that I thought that issued Rugers was Mas Ayoob's department in Mass.
CaptainDooley
12-30-09, 21:55
I honestly didn't think that there were any departments out there that actually issued Ruger semi-autos.
There was a department in the Kansas City area (can't remember which suburb, I was living in Independence) that was using P94s in .40S&W when I was just turning 21 - a buddy of mine had one as his issue gun (fresh out of the academy) and he loved it so much I bought one as my first handgun. That thing is long gone now - and good riddance!
The only agency that I thought that issued Rugers was Mas Ayoob's department in Mass.
I can't give you a list, but if I could I'm sure it would be a small one. I work with the BOP and while we have different handguns around the agency, P89DAOs are what my institution uses. I must say it works though, just not with much "grace". :) Never have a problem with them.
http://03designgroup.com/photo/why-glock-why-9mm/icon-why-glock-why-9mm.jpg
03designgroup | Why Glock, why 9mm? http://demigodllc.com/icon/extwh3.png (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/why-glock-why-9mm)
that's a good article.. basically my logic behind CCW'ing 9mm.
i noticed some of you guys are issued C models... compensated? what do you think of those guns? i was kind of under the impression they werent' preferred for defensive use due to distracting muzzle blast/flash and potentially hitting you in the eyes with crap in close up shooting....
PRGGodfather
12-30-09, 22:24
Issued Beretta 96G with Trijicon 3-dot night sights.
Permitted carry brands (Officer's purchase):
SIG-Sauer
Heckler & Koch
S&W
Glock
Must fire .40 S&W (Federal 180 grain HST issued). Off-duty minimum is .380 with maximum of .44 magnum. All off-duty pistols and calibers must be approved by the Range Staff.
Next issued pistol will likely be between Glock and S&W M&P. Choice will likely be between 9mm and .45 ACP -- no more .40 S&W.
tracker722
12-30-09, 22:47
On-duty issused weapon, Glock 21 SFNS. Off-duty, depends. Most times it is a Glock 22 and a Walther PPK stainless, (pre-SW). Other times I go with another Glock 21. Remember, even off-duty you need to carry extra mags and handcuffs and if you don't have a weapon-mounted light, some type of Surefire or other quality flashlight.
Back-up is not as readily available off-duty. Being the FNG on the force, rest assured after the uniforms arrive, (if the worst happens) they will treat you as a hostile until positive I.D. is made, so make certain you always have your credentials with you and comply with their commands.
Just by reading this thread I think I've identified one NYPD, one NY or PA State Trooper, and one I.C.E Agent...
I always try to see what agencies issue, out of shear curiosity mostly...
Duty Pistol: HK P2000 LEM .40
Rather have a GLOCK 17, 19, 22, or 23. Not in that order, but any of those over the HK.
tracker722
12-30-09, 23:13
I'm not a LEO but I feel compelled to comment on this thread. I really think it is outrageous that city governments are more concerned about potential law suits than officers’ safety. Excuse the rant but a decade ago I was news photographer and had the opportunity to work with many officers and know the restraints you are under.
I understand if there are no replies to this post because of the concern of possible consequences. But just know there are those of us that really appreciate you and the job you do.
Sorry for the hijack, I’m new to this site but I just had to say what was on my mind.
THANK YOU! I wish more people could see what we do day-in, day-out. I love my job.
SWATcop556
12-31-09, 01:07
that's a good article.. basically my logic behind CCW'ing 9mm.
i noticed some of you guys are issued C models... compensated? what do you think of those guns? i was kind of under the impression they werent' preferred for defensive use due to distracting muzzle blast/flash and potentially hitting you in the eyes with crap in close up shooting....
Not an issue for me. I don't prefer it as it's just more openings for shit to get in but doesn't affect my shooting. My issued weapon is the only C model I have.
SWATcop556
12-31-09, 01:12
http://03designgroup.com/photo/why-glock-why-9mm/icon-why-glock-why-9mm.jpg
03designgroup | Why Glock, why 9mm? http://demigodllc.com/icon/extwh3.png (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/why-glock-why-9mm)
Jeff, as always a great article. I read in one of your posts a while back (I think it was the M&P puc thread) where you said you were going to run the M&P9 for a year and see how things went. Did you end up doing this and if so, what were your observations?
I just picked up a couple of M&Ps for a great deal and was just wondering what you experience was. Other than a couple of 1911s, they are my only non-Glock handguns.
We issue Glock 17s here, and some Glock 19s, we allow any Glock 9mm for on duty carry.
I am totally sold on the Glock 9mms after starting out a Glock basher years ago.
All of my personal carry guns are Glock 9mms of various sizes and S&W J frame .38s
Personally owned G17 with truGlo TFO and federal HST's
Issued: Glock 23 (choice of 22 or 23)
Authorized: Any Glock in .40 Auto
Authorized BUGs: G27, J-Frames, P3AT, LCP
Druthers: I'd issue/authorize Glocks in the same way, but specify 9mm. I can buy 1.5-3x as much ammo in 9 than I can in 40, depending on what I buy.
Each Officer is issued a G17 and G26. A Galco Ankle Glove is also issued and it is strongly recommended that the G26 is carried on duty. Patrol rifles are authorized for individual purchase. Each vehicle has an issued 870.
I most recently qual'd on 9 mm Glocks and the 1911.
Unless your department picks your caliber for you, pick the platform you shoot best, then decide on caliber from there. Currently the best duty pistols going right out of the box are probably the 9 mm Glocks, any caliber S&W M&P, as well as the HK P30 and HK45. X300’s are a good duty pistol light. A J-frame w/o lock using a CTC Lasergrip is a great BUG.
For CCW and most urban LE duty, there are a lot of advantages in carrying a 9mm--easy to shoot one handed, relatively inexpensive to practice with, lots of bullets. When I injured my strong hand a few years ago and lost its use for several months, I found out how much more effective I was using a G19 weak handed compared to a 1911...
If I was in a department that issued .40 or was doing a lot of LE work around vehicles, I'd be strongly tempted to carry a M&P40. Lots of 180 gr JHP's that do well against intermediate barriers is a nice thing. In addition, I really like having a manual safety on a pistol that is used for uniformed LE use; I have twice seen officers' lives potentially saved when another person gained control of an officer's pistol, but the engaged manual safety prevented the weapon from firing--I don't like to think about the outcome if the pistols involved had been a Glock, Sig, XD, revolver, etc... If I ever go back on uniformed Patrol duties, I'll likely carry a .40 M&P w/manual safety.
The nice aspects of .45 ACP is that it makes large holes, can be very accurate, and offers good penetration of some intermediate barriers. Unfortunately, magazine capacity is less than ideal, .45 ACP is more expensive to practice with, and in general is harder to shoot well compared with 9 mm. .45 ACP makes the most sense in states with idiotic 10 rd magazine restrictions or in departments that give you lots of free .45 ACP ammo. While a properly customized 5" steel-frame single-stack 1911 in .45 ACP is a superb, unparalleled choice for the dedicated user willing to spend a significant amount of money to get it properly initially set-up and considerable time to maintain it, in this day and age both the M&P45 and HK45 are superior duty pistols.
Whatever you choose, make sure you fire at least 500 and preferably 1000 failure free shots through your pistol prior to using it for duty. If your pistol cannot fire at least 1000 consecutive shots without a malfunction, something is wrong and it is not suitable for duty/self-defense.
Carry Sig 229 as pri and a Colt Combat Commander as secondary, with a Rock Island MY w/Eotech and Insight light/laser mounted.
Sig P220. I would switch to a P228 if I could
Issued M&P .40. I carry a Glock 22. We can carry .40 or .45. If I could choose, I would carry a Glock 17, H&K P30 LEM 9mm, or Sig 226 9mm. It would be a tough choice, but I know it would be a 9. The Glock 17 will serve you well.
Cascades236
01-01-10, 14:12
Glock 21 on my hip and its little brother, Glock 30 somewhere else on my person ;)
Retired a few years back but......agency issued SIG 229 in .357 sig, which also got OD use when I could hide it. OD I carried my old Smith 2" M-60.
FN in MT
..... Sorry, inadvertent post
Glock 22 or 23, backed by a Glock 27.
If I was starting over and had a choice;
Glock 34 or 17, G26 BUG.
S&W M&P40, MP40C.
I would say M&P45 (and nearly switched over to it), however, I want a BUG that will use the same mags as its primary. The M&P45C is a little on the large side for the way I carry my BUG. Otherwise, I love this gun.
Dr. Roberts is spot on (as usual) in his caliber break down. I chose the .40 based on the likelyhood of vehicles, or other barriers, being involved in a gun battle.
Right now I really have an itch to get a G34/X300 for a duty gun.
G22 w/S300 in ALS
& G27 in my front pocket
Jeff, as always a great article. I read in one of your posts a while back (I think it was the M&P puc thread) where you said you were going to run the M&P9 for a year and see how things went. Did you end up doing this and if so, what were your observations?
I just picked up a couple of M&Ps for a great deal and was just wondering what you experience was. Other than a couple of 1911s, they are my only non-Glock handguns.
Thanks.
I didn't run M&P for a year because it took almost 9 months for me to get the pistols. So my T&E was cut short.
I ran the M&P for a while, a pic of me shooting it in Larry Vickers Sept 2008 Colorado class can be seen here:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showpost.php?p=224720&postcount=27
Great pistol just wasn't for me, and I knew that going into it. However enough guys that I respect suggested that I at least try out the M&P, so I gave it an honest test and eval.
Trigger and ergonomics were my biggest dislikes. Great pistol, very reliable, I recommend them on a regular basis, however Glocks work better for me.
Take care and be safe
mskdgunman
01-02-10, 06:26
Glock 21SF's are the primary issued sidearms. My unit is also issued Glock 30's. I also have a stainless Sig 230 as a secondary/BUG.
operator81
01-02-10, 14:30
For the moment, a Sig P229 SAS in .40. Next week, who knows ;)
I have a bad case of can't settle on one gun. Over the past 5 years I've carried:
Glock 22
Glock 21
Springfield Operator
Kimber Tactical Custom II
Wilson Combat CQB
Sig P226R (GGI)
Glock 22 on my duty belt
Glock 27 on my ankle
Kel-tec p32 in a pocket holster with access by my weak hand
If carrying a glock I would go with a backup that can use the same magazines as your primary handgun. ie I can use my G22 mags in my G27.
I am back to my S&W Dragoon... The 4506...
B
woodandsteel
01-02-10, 20:44
Glock 22 on my duty belt
Glock 27 on my ankle
Kel-tec p32 in a pocket holster with access by my weak hand
If carrying a glock I would go with a backup that can use the same magazines as your primary handgun. ie I can use my G22 mags in my G27.
Griswold, do you have any problems with the magazine popping out of your Kel-Tec?
I use to carry my LCP in my weak hand (left hand) front pocket. But the magazine release kept getting depressed and popping the magazine out. It has since moved to the right front pocket.
Now my only weak side back up is a Ka-Bar TDI, that is on my belt behind my taser.
I carry a Sig 226 .40cal at the moment but am switching to either a M&P .40 or M&P .45 sometime this month.
I am back to my S&W Dragoon... The 4506...
B
Nice! One of our guys who came from LAPD carries his 4506 too. What a great gun.
Animal_Mother556
01-03-10, 07:47
We all have to carry Glock 22s. I carry a 36 for backup. Off duty I carry an XD(M) .40
My dream gun? I wish they would let me carry my M4 slung on my MS2 at all times.
Dos Cylindros
01-03-10, 10:58
Agency issue for me is a choice between Glock 22 and Glock 23. I carry the Glock 22. I carry a S&W M&P 340 for bug in a Galco ankle holster. Off duty we can have our choice of virtually anything. For the longest time it was a personally owned G23. The problem I have is I love the 1911 so I have been carrying that which truthfully is a little bit of a pain switching back and forth between weapon platforms.
Kentucky Cop
01-03-10, 11:48
I most recently qual'd on 9 mm Glocks and the 1911.
Unless your department picks your caliber for you, pick the platform you shoot best, then decide on caliber from there. Currently the best duty pistols going right out of the box are probably the 9 mm Glocks, any caliber S&W M&P, as well as the HK P30 and HK45. X300’s are a good duty pistol light. A J-frame w/o lock using a CTC Lasergrip is a great BUG.
For CCW and most urban LE duty, there are a lot of advantages in carrying a 9mm--easy to shoot one handed, relatively inexpensive to practice with, lots of bullets. When I injured my strong hand a few years ago and lost its use for several months, I found out how much more effective I was using a G19 weak handed compared to a 1911...
If I was in a department that issued .40 or was doing a lot of LE work around vehicles, I'd be strongly tempted to carry a M&P40. Lots of 180 gr JHP's that do well against intermediate barriers is a nice thing. In addition, I really like having a manual safety on a pistol that is used for uniformed LE use; I have twice seen officers' lives potentially saved when another person gained control of an officer's pistol, but the engaged manual safety prevented the weapon from firing--I don't like to think about the outcome if the pistols involved had been a Glock, Sig, XD, revolver, etc... If I ever go back on uniformed Patrol duties, I'll likely carry a .40 M&P w/manual safety.
The nice aspects of .45 ACP is that it makes large holes, can be very accurate, and offers good penetration of some intermediate barriers. Unfortunately, magazine capacity is less than ideal, .45 ACP is more expensive to practice with, and in general is harder to shoot well compared with 9 mm. .45 ACP makes the most sense in states with idiotic 10 rd magazine restrictions or in departments that give you lots of free .45 ACP ammo. While a properly customized 5" steel-frame single-stack 1911 in .45 ACP is a superb, unparalleled choice for the dedicated user willing to spend a significant amount of money to get it properly initially set-up and considerable time to maintain it, in this day and age both the M&P45 and HK45 are superior duty pistols.
Whatever you choose, make sure you fire at least 500 and preferably 1000 failure free shots through your pistol prior to using it for duty. If your pistol cannot fire at least 1000 consecutive shots without a malfunction, something is wrong and it is not suitable for duty/self-defense.
Doc, with that being said, would you also carry .40 caliber off duty or would you look hard at carrying the G19 due to its reputation/size? I carry a G22 on duty and a G27 off duty. I am looking HARD at getting a G19 or a G23 for off duty carry to replace the G27. More rounds and the mid size frame fits my hand better than the noisy cricket (G27). I am just flat out torn between the 19 or 23. Anyone with suggestions since most posting on here are LEO's anyways. Thoughts....?
Griswold, do you have any problems with the magazine popping out of your Kel-Tec?
I use to carry my LCP in my weak hand (left hand) front pocket. But the magazine release kept getting depressed and popping the magazine out. It has since moved to the right front pocket.
Now my only weak side back up is a Ka-Bar TDI, that is on my belt behind my taser.
Woodandsteel, I carry the Keltec in a 511 holster that is velcroed to the inside of my thigh pocket of my class B pants. Carryig it this way I have not had the magazine come out. I can't speak to front pocket carry. May be an option for you if your uniform pants allow this set up.
woodandsteel
01-03-10, 14:38
Woodandsteel, I carry the Keltec in a 511 holster that is velcroed to the inside of my thigh pocket of my class B pants. Carryig it this way I have not had the magazine come out. I can't speak to front pocket carry. May be an option for you if your uniform pants allow this set up.
We do wear the Class B pants with the side pockets. I might give that a try.
Thank you.
Kentucky Cop
01-03-10, 15:52
Disregard on my question for Doc. I did a little research and found the information with out hijacking this thread. Thanks....'
Ky Cop
halfcocked
01-03-10, 17:21
M&P40. I transitioned from the G22 almost a year ago. The M&P feels better in my hand (with the large frame insert). Either gun would serve you well.
Good luck in your career. Stay safe.
zen_grasshopper
01-03-10, 19:04
Agency issues Glock 22's with Streamlight TLR-1 in Safariland 6360 ALS holsters.
Investigations and Administrative staff are authorized personally owned weapons for carry.
I carry a Glock 30SF everyday in plainclothes carried IWB.
Glock 17 for entries, warrants, or any time I need to don body armor.
Sig P226R DAK .357 w/X200 (issued) and a Ruger LCP clipped to the vest. If given the option I would rather carry my Glock 35 w/.357 barrel or a Glock 34. The Sig isn't bad I just shoot Glocks better than the DAK. I generally carry a Glock 19 off duty.
Dept. issued is G22. We are also allowed to purchase our own pistol for duty as long as it's Sig, Glock, HK, S&W, Beretta, 1911's and it has to be 9mm, .40 or .45.
I carry a Sig P226R 9mm in a 6360. Issued ammo is GD 124gr+p. I also carry a J-frame S&W 940 in a vest holster.
I am waiting to check out the Gen4 G17's... If I'm impressed, my Sig may be replaced.
Off duty is a G19 or my 940 (rarely).
We all have to carry Glock 22s. I carry a 36 for backup. Off duty I carry an XD(M) .40
My dream gun? I wish they would let me carry my M4 slung on my MS2 at all times.
Why the three way split? Given the minimal difference between the XDM and the G22, why did you go that way?
Kentucky Cop
01-03-10, 21:42
From the past 5 pages, I believe the Glock 22 would be the staple of LE. No surprise. I do find everyone's off duty guns interesting. I would thought the usual Glock 19's and 23's would be the #1 pick but I was sorely mistaken. Its really cool that your departments let the reigns out a bit in the way of policy to let you have a broader field to pick from.
Again, we are purely a Glock department. I really wish they would let us carry the Glock 34's and 35's as an option. Other than that, we have it pretty good.
HK USP .40 compact. w/ LEM trigger mod.
I would prefer a G23.....
Evil Colt 6920
01-03-10, 22:35
Im not LE but ive been putting a lot of thought into becoming LE so this thread interests me. I am surprised to see some depts using the Ruger P89. I had a P89 for years and hated it. I got a Glock 34 for Christmas and I GAVE MY P89 AWAY FREE to a good friend.
If you use a thigh pocket for carry, be sure the pistol is securely retained.
I found that when practicing falling on my back from a standing or crouched position, the compact pistol in my thigh pocket (511 TDUs with the velcro flap) would fall out onto the ground.
I no longer carry in this manner.
Not a good thing to occur in the real world.
We do wear the Class B pants with the side pockets. I might give that a try.
Thank you.
woodandsteel
01-03-10, 23:33
If you use a thigh pocket for carry, be sure the pistol is securely retained.
I found that when practicing falling on my back from a standing or crouched position, the compact pistol in my thigh pocket (511 TDUs with the velcro flap) would fall out onto the ground.
I no longer carry in this manner.
Not a good thing to occur in the real world.
That's some good information. Thank you.
I may need to see if there is some way I can modify the magazine release on my LCP so the mag doesn't pop out on me.
If you use a thigh pocket for carry, be sure the pistol is securely retained.
I found that when practicing falling on my back from a standing or crouched position, the compact pistol in my thigh pocket (511 TDUs with the velcro flap) would fall out onto the ground.
I no longer carry in this manner.
Not a good thing to occur in the real world.
SSF70, when the pistol came out did you have it in a holster or free floating? I use the 511 velcro holster w/out the strap and have never had it come out, even when going to the ground. May be the position of the holster in the pocket.
Animal_Mother556
01-04-10, 07:32
Why the three way split? Given the minimal difference between the XDM and the G22, why did you go that way?
I shoot better with the XD. I have asked several times to be able to carry it on duty...no dice. And because i am messed up like that.
SSF70, when the pistol came out did you have it in a holster or free floating? I use the 511 velcro holster w/out the strap and have never had it come out, even when going to the ground. May be the position of the holster in the pocket.
It was in a Uncle Mike's pocket holster (the only UM product I own), which was stuffed into the smaller of the two pockets inside the thigh pocket. Pretty snug fit.
When you fall forcefully and break the fall, the gun (S&W 442) has a lot of momentum.
I considered beefing up the velcro, or adding snaps, but found a much better way of carrying it (not in the thigh pocket) and so have not revisted the issue.
Patrolman175
01-05-10, 16:54
Glock 22 with 180 grain hollow point( Speer Gold Dot)
Duty is a Ruger P95 DAO, off duty is a Glock 19.
sandsunsurf
08-19-10, 03:14
Glock 35 with light on duty, purchased civilian so I have the - connector. G19 and/or S&W 642 when I want to conceal a gun. Full size Kimber 1911 when I open carry (i.e. camping, hiking, or training).
Does anybody shoot a Sig DAK by choice? What's to like about it? I suspected I wouldn't be crazy about them, but I'd never held one until a class I took last month. A guy that just "had to have" a DAK trigger ordered a Sig with one and brought it to class. After shooting it a bit he said the reset was beyond terrible, and that there's a spot between the two resets where if you pull the trigger nothing at all happens. I took a look at it and dry fired it, and it does seem pretty bad, but that's the perspective of 2 minutes so I'm not saying it IS crap...
Issued gun is a 9mm Sig P226R DAK with 147gr Winchester Rangers (RA9T)
I carry a 9mm Sig P226R DA/SA as a primary and a P232 as a BUG. .357sig is also authorized but I'm not a fan.
I don't care for the DAK trigger, what I feel is a inconsistent trigger break (don't know if its the sear or roughness from the firing pin safety), two reset points and a long soft reset. I shot very well in the academy with the DAK because I was forced to concentrate on my fundamentals. DAK is fine for a duty weapon, and if I was told tomorrow that I had to carry a DAK pistol, I would complain lots and lose a little sleep, but I wouldn't feel that my safety had been compromised.
I carry a Glock 22 with an X300 light and a Glock 27 as a back up and off duty gun. Duty ammo is Winchester SXT 165 grain ammo.
Carry the same pistol and holster combimation on and off duty when you can. Don't switch from single action to glock safe action to a DA/SA gun just because you can or think it is cool or you just read an article about something. I am speaking from personal experience and observation.
Same thing with your holster. We carry ALS holsters on duty. I carry an ALS off duty too and have bought ALS off duty holsters for our officers. You don't want to draw and go for the ALS controls of your duty holster and forget you have that cool looking Blackhawk Serpa because it is what the gun shop had and suggested. You will eventually have enough reps with your holster and weapon that when you need it it will be in your hand and you will not remember how it got there. Those reps for he ALS and Serpa are completely different.
I am not saying you have to go out and buy a G27 to back up your G22, but it is a good idea. Years ago cops would often carry a 2" version of their duty revolver as a back up and off duty. I carried a J Frame 5 shot revolver for years as a back up and an off duty gun. The big issue becomes using a gun with out safety and decocking levers on duty and you switch to one with the levers off duty.
We carried G23's for years and swithed to Sig 229's and onto Sig 226 DAK pistols. I went for the decocking lever many times on my DAK and it was not there. When we changed from DAK to Glock 22's I had trouble at the range because I was not pulling the trigger straight back and the gun would not go bang. That is scary enough on the range with out real stress. It would have been fatal in real life. I bought a case of ammo and practiced on my own.
SWATcop556
08-19-10, 09:30
Well after many thousands of rounds I finally let go of all of my G17s for G19s.
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=58421
However that being said we recently had a policy change at my dept. regarding our firearms policy. We use to only be allowed to carry Glock in 9mm, 40 cal, and 45ACP. We are now authorized Glock, S&W, and Sig.
In January I was able to pick up two S&W M&P40s for a smoking deal, both NIB. I was never a fan of the 40 cal in the Glock platform due to reliability and felt recoil but in the M&P the 40 cal feels like shooting hot 9mm ammo. I started shooting the piss out of my M&Ps in January and I'm sitting around 6000 through each pistol (give or take). My biggest complaint with the M&P was, after many years shooting the Glock and well tuned 1911's, I hated the stock trigger. Mine smoothed out a lot at around 1000 rounds and Apex changed my opinion about the trigger completely.
Once the change in policy was announced I have now switched to the M&P for duty use. We issue the Federal RA40T 180 gr Ranger. I still have my G19s but after hard evaluation and many rounds downrange I feel the M&P40 is the best fit for me as a duty weapon. I'm carrying one off duty when I can and to keep things consolidated I'm also now carrying a M&P9c for more concealed carry.
I was a die hard Glock fan (and still am and I own many of the 9mm models) but I have now converted to the M&P for social purposes.
Regretfully a Ruger P89, department issue.
OH WOW! I think I would quit if I had to carry that. :eek:
C4
Im about a month out from graduating the academy and just curious to see what others out there are carrying. Also, what would you carry if you could choose your duty weapon? Right now I'm planning on running my Glock 17 depending on where I get hired.
The G17 would be an excellent choice. For a BUG, the G26 or G19 would work well (along with a J-Frame).
C4
wedgehead30
08-19-10, 11:25
Im about a month out from graduating the academy and just curious to see what others out there are carrying. Also, what would you carry if you could choose your duty weapon? Right now I'm planning on running my Glock 17 depending on where I get hired.
If you can, get out and shoot a variety of different weapons/calibers and find the combination that YOU shoot the best. Try to stick with one system or manual of arms. Keep it simple. I see guys carry a Glock on duty and then a 1911 off. Why "cuz it's cool Lt., all the HS guys carry a 1911" Trust me it ain't cool when they forget to knock that safety off and keep pulling on a dead trigger.
Once you find the gun for you train as much as you can. Tap into the local instructors in your area. Remember, you're carrying that thing for a very serious purpose. Get to know it better than your wife. Some day your life will depend on it. Along the same lines, buy quality. If you buy cheap you'll buy twice. Provided you get the chance to go shopping again.
When I was a young copper I started out with a .45, see above. Then one day I learned that you go to the fight with what you've got on your belt. All that cool high speed stuff in your patrol bag doesn't do you much good in the middle of the road at o'dark thirty. Those big ol 45's make nice holes but you've only got 22 of them and they sure disappear fast when you're hunkered down behind a car exchanging un-pleasantries with a three time felon. So I switched to a high capacity 9 and have never regretted it. I shoot it more accurately, faster, and I have double the ammo load. Don't get caught up in the caliber bullshit. We're talking about handguns, they're all a compromise. If you want a guaranteed one shot stop you'll have to tow around a 155 mm cannon.
On duty I carry a Glock 19, +2 base plate with an X-300 / DG switch and CTC laser grips. The gun has been customized to fit me and my shooting abilities. The gun is backed up with G-17 mags with factory Glock +2 base plates with extra power springs. It gives me an on hand load-out of 56 rounds of Federal 124 grain HST's. I have a G-26 for back-up and a Kahr PM-9 for last call. Not a Glock, but the same system. It's simple and reliable, point and click.
Good luck on your new career, it will be an adventure. Pay attention to the silver backs. They survived and thrived for a reason.
Wedge
:D
First, take the advice of getting what you are comfortable with. As long as it's not a trout line sinker, you will do fine.
With that said, over the last twenty four years, S&W 686 .357 mag (1980's) Sig P226 9mm (1990-1997), Sig P229 .357 Sig (1997-Present).
While I have been the most staunch Sig defender, I am in the process of evaluating the S&W M&P line. I hate the way Glock fits my hand.
I'll probably make the switch to the M&P this year. I really like it. I'll probably switch to the .40. I really like how that round has progressed.
GOOD LUCK, and stay safe.
sandsunsurf
08-19-10, 15:15
Thanks for the insight, PCF. Still leaves me wondering why in the world anybody would choose one. I know I'll get the obligatory "liability" argument, but other than that I can't see why the DAK is still around.
We carry Gen 4 Glock 22's in ALS holsters with Gold Dot 180gr. with two spare mags on the belt. BUG's are strictly forbidden but many go against that policy. Tac lights are OK, but our holster don't accommodate them and we can't replace them with comparable holsters that do.
Off duty I carry a Glock 27 in a Comp-Tac M-TAC.
For classes I have an ALS non-duty holster I use.
If I could carry whatever I wanted I would stick with the G22 but would go back to a Gen 3. The Gen 4 just isn't proven enough for me to be completely comfortable with it as a duty weapon.
Regretfully a Ruger P89, department issue.
That is a crying shame. Can you carry something else if you supply it? If not that agency just doesn't care about it's officers safety at all.
SWATcop556
08-19-10, 19:52
If I could carry whatever I wanted I would stick with the G22 but would go back to a Gen 3. The Gen 4 just isn't proven enough for me to be completely comfortable with it as a duty weapon.
If I had to carry a Glock in 40 cal the only one I would feel comfortable carrying would be the Gen4. They fixed many of the issues with the Gen4 and having personally overseen the maintenance of over 100 Gen3 G22's and all of the problems that platform had, I wouldn't carry one unless there was no other option. Rest easy carrying the Gen4.
Wedge,
Well said.
I would add that the best gun in the word is the one you carry every day. I do not care if it is a Ruger P89 DAO or a S&W Model 10 .38 revolver. Neither would even make my top ten, but it is what you've got.
Learn it and love it. That cool gun you saw in a buddies holster or in the most recent gun magazine does not mean squat. The one you go to war with is the one you need to master. DAO triggers kinda suck but you need to practice and master it. A big part of making it home at the end of the night is going to be your attitude. We all need to work on our attitudes from time to time.
Scotter260
08-19-10, 22:02
1999-2000 - 1st dept. - personally owned Sig 220 - Safariland 070
2000-2009 - 2nd dept. - department issued Glock 22 - Safariland 6280
2009-Present- 2nd dept. - personally owned Glock 17 and also qualified with and occassionally carry S&W Model 65-2 .357 - both in Safariland 6280s
In most situations, your brain and the way you interact with people are far more important "weapons" than whatever handgun you end up carrying. Realize that officers from days gone by still managed to police effectively while carrying a pencil-barreled .38 Special M&P and two reloads.
Smith and Wesson M&P .357SIG.
Smith and Wesson M&P .357SIG.
Only one agency around that I know uses that, but won't put it out on a public forum.
Only one agency around that I know uses that, but won't put it out on a public forum.
And why's that?
And why's that?
I don't want what agency I work for put out there. In fact I can't as it's against SOP. So I'm not going to do it for someone else.
I carry a G17 and have for many years - I can carry just about any gun or caliber I want but the 17 is hard to beat for a variety of reasons. G19's are the shit too and make a great all around pick...:cool:
Glock 22 with Streamlight TLR-1, loaded with 180 grn HSTs
Back up and off duty I carry a S&W 637.
Thinking about going to a Glock 21. I recently broke the ring finger on my shooting hand, actually tore the tendon on top that controls the tip. It didnt quite heal correctly and now wont close all the way. I can still shoot my G22 well but its not as comfortable. The bigger grip of the 21 lets my ring finger close all the way onto the grip and is more comfortable. Plus the 21 just shoots smoother than the 22.
ThirdWatcher
08-20-10, 05:21
We're allowed to carry what we can qualify with. I'm old school, so I have large hands and I got tired of the slide slicing my knuckles when I shoot lesser pistols so I now carry my H&K Mark 23 w/ .45ACP+P ammo in a Safariland 6004 thigh holster converted to a belt holster. It fits me and the bad guys know they got a gun in their face when I pull it. :D
SW-Shooter
08-20-10, 05:30
I don't want what agency I work for put out there. In fact I can't as it's against SOP. So I'm not going to do it for someone else.
New Mexico State Police, North Carolina State Police, some DEA are authorized. And really S&W releases that kind of info on their website.:sarcastic:
But really the secret squirrel stuff really makes you sound like agent 86.:secret:
QUOTE=boomhower;737449]We carry Gen 4 Glock 22's in ALS holsters with Gold Dot 180gr. with two spare mags on the belt. BUG's are strictly forbidden but many go against that policy. Tac lights are OK, but our holster don't accommodate them and we can't replace them with comparable holsters that do.
Off duty I carry a Glock 27 in a Comp-Tac M-TAC.
For classes I have an ALS non-duty holster I use.
If I could carry whatever I wanted I would stick with the G22 but would go back to a Gen 3. The Gen 4 just isn't proven enough for me to be completely comfortable with it as a duty weapon.:rolleyes:
That is a crying shame. Can you carry something else if you supply it? If not that agency just doesn't care about it's officers safety at all.[/QUOTE]
So do you work for a Department or an Agency, there is a difference?
Uniform carry- dept. issue G22 w/ 8# connector...I added a Surefire X300. This is the only authorized weapon for uniform carry...one-size-fits-all mentality...
BUG is a S&W M&P 340. Off duty/plainclothes detail/court- usually my David Bowie modified Glock 19.
jstephens202
08-20-10, 17:03
I carry a Springfield Loaded Stainless 1911. My department issues Glocks, whichever the officer feels comfortable with. Some have 21SFs, some G22s. But we are allowed to carry anything provided our firearms instructor(me) approves it.
I'm issued a PX4 9mm F. In uniform it must be carried. I'm plain clothes and still carry it, or occasionally carry my PX4 sub-compact.
442 on my ankle, all the time.
JR1572
Going into the Academy myself here shortly (will know the official start date once the second group of PAT/POST guys go through on Sept 11).
Plan on carrying an M&P40 with X300. Had a SIG P220, and loved it. Great handling gun, but wanted/needed something that was more "fit" IMO for a duty weapon as that one was an older W. German, non-railed model. I'll have another P220 in the future...but right now, I'm absolutely loving the M&P!
Our S.O. is so big tho we've got a wide array of weapons. XD/XDm, Beretta, Sig, S&W (M&P, revolver, other Semi models), H&K, 1911, Taurus...you name it, and Ive probably seen it lol.
I am issued a Glock 22 in .40 with Trijicon sights. I added a SF X300 and a sherer grip plug. Issue ammo is Federal 180 gr HST
If I had a choice I would switch to the Glock 17 9mm. My agency will soon start authorizing and issuing Gen 4 17's.
when i was armed security with loomis fargo (armored truck) i could either use their 38 revolver which was crap or i could go with their buy in program. i chose a sig sp 2020 in .40 caliber. i have shot over 4000 rounds through it and it has never jammed or misfired. i would get what is comfortable if u can. instead's of spending a ton of money on ammo or upgrades i would take a basic and advance course from tigerwan.. that will be money well spent. i have went to several schools and shooting instructors, tigerswan is hands down the best. they also have a tricked out glock. if u like glocks that is the one i would recomend as those guys have been there and done that.
On & off duty - S&W SW1911 9mm Pro Series
BUG - Custom 9mm S&W 360J
On duty: Glock 17 with Surefire X300, BUG is a Glock 26
Off Duty: Either a subtlely modified (rounded trigger guard, thinned and undercut grip) Glock 17 or similiarly modified Glock 19
Issue ammo for both on/off duty is the Winchester 127gr +P+. Prior to that we issued the Federal 9mm 115gr +P+ round. No real complaints with it as it dropped bad guys appropriately. The switch was to obtain better barrier penetration and weight retention.
GermanSynergy
08-21-10, 09:14
Formerly a Beretta M-9 and Sig P228.
Right now I carry a Sig P229R with a Streamlight TLR-1s attached, and Heinie straight eight night sights. It's been an excellent pistol overall with almost 10k rounds though it. Off duty, I mostly carry a Sig P239 9mm. I generally prefer the .40, but it is a little too snappy in the P239 for my tastes.....and I like the reduced weight.
I would prefer to carry a M&P .40, but my agency only authorizes Sigs as this time. :( I like the feel, weight, pointability, reduced corrosion, and I just plain shoot it better than the Sigs.
Uniform patrol we are issued Glock 23's with TLR 1's that ride in a Safariland 6280. For special operations, we carry Glock 35's with TLR 2's.
However, we are switching our uniform patrol sidearm to Glock 22 Gen 4's in the next month or so.
Uniform patrol- GLOCK 19 with Trijicon fixed sights in Safariland 295s.
Plainclothes/investigative/staff- G19 or G26 with Trijicon in issued Blackhawk SERPAs :confused: but lots of whatever holsters used.
Emergeny service- G17 or G19 with Trijicon in the 295. Most guys use individually owned tac rigs.
Ammo- Winchester Ranger 124+p
Most pistols are Gen2 with a small mix of Gen3s...the Gen2s have been in service in many cases since the early 90s, with fixes and upgrades as necessitated...
Kentucky Cop
08-22-10, 20:31
This has turned into the " I carry Glock", "I carry M&P thread". Imagine that..;)
I will flog this horse a bit more I guess. For us, its Glock's 17,19,26,27,23,22. The compacts are for Detectives and off-duty of course. Most carry the 22's on the street. ERU rocks the 35 with TLR lights on the rails during call outs. The only other uniform that is allowed white lights on their duty weapons is Canine. Kentucky State Police interestingly carries the Glock 35's on duty.
Authorized to roll with Colt, S&W, DPMS, Bushmaster, Double Star, RRA, and Stag for patrol rifles with officers choice of Aimpoint or Eotechs.
KC
Personally owned-Heckler & Koch .40cal Full size USP with GG&G rail adapter mated to an Insight WX150.
Patrol is issued the Glock 22 or 23 (officer choice, I carry a G23).
Issued load is the Federal 180gr HST.
SWAT has to carry the XD45.
Issued load is the Speer 230gr Gold Dot.
I recently left SWAT and was glad to get a G23 back in my holster.
Detectives are issued a G27.
I'm cool with the G23, but if I had my choice, I'd carry a G19.
Beretta 9mm
I like your avatar...I used to wear one of those! :cool:
SWATcop556
08-23-10, 08:53
SWAT has to carry the XD45.
Even after the long shift of crazy shit I had happen last night this is still the dumbest ****ing thing I've read all day. What is the reasoning behind that call?
savagesteel
08-23-10, 22:29
Issued Glock 22 with Streamlight TLR1. Off duty I carry my personal Glock 30sf.
Glock 22 with Surefire x300 and DG-11 switch
Still carrying my M&P45 and loving it.
See my "Duty Gun Evolution" with pics here: https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=50634
Even after the long shift of crazy shit I had happen last night this is still the dumbest ****ing thing I've read all day. What is the reasoning behind that call?
Its rated for "Xtreme Duty" !
:D
00leland00
08-24-10, 01:48
My department carries 1911's. Most issued are Springers, but personal weapons (1911) can be carried if approved through the quarter master. Mine is a Colt lightweight Commander.
Spahr0311B
08-24-10, 05:35
Department issued and mandated for carry is Glock 22. Carried with personally purchased TLR-1 in Safariland ALS. Back up is Glock 27 in Anklelock on left boot.. Off duty is Glock 23 or the Glock 27. Department doesn't get involved in what we carry off duty. They do mandate that the back up be between .380Auto- .45ACP. Would carry 9mm if I had a choice. Ideal duty weapon would be Glock 34 with TLR-1s.
I would second and third the opinion that whatever you carry on duty should be the same type of gun as what you carry off duty. My reason for doing so is that when I shoot reactively inside 15yds i do not use sights. So if the grip angle is different my point of impact is going to be different.
Was carrying a Berretta in Afganiland for over a year. Had a hell of a time retraining myself to the Glock. Not that I was complaining about an excuse to get out to the range and shoot a thousand rounds.
We can carry whatever we want....as long as it is a Glock. I have been carrying the same 1st Gen G19 since we transitioned in 1992. I'm on my second Hogue slip on grip, the trijicons still glow fine, and it goes with me on or off duty. I must admit however, I am thinking about a new G21c, but that will be awhile due to my new SR15 and Optics purchases.
Even after the long shift of crazy shit I had happen last night this is still the dumbest ****ing thing I've read all day. What is the reasoning behind that call?
Agreed.
The SWAT commander decided that we needed .45acp (because it's SO much more deadly, don't you know).
Admin said "Hell no" to 1911s, members weren't crazy about the G21's additional gripsize (when they were use to, and happy with, the G22/G23 feel and performance...this was about 6 months before the G21SF was introduced), so somehow SWAT ended up with the XD45.
We issue Glock 17s mostly, and a few G19s. Officers can carry any Glock 9mm as a primary, alot of the UC types go with a G26.
We allow personal guns on duty.
Most of our BUGs are G26s or S&W .38 snubs.
I carry a G17 in uniform, a G19 off-duty, and my BUGs are either a G26 or a S&W 642.
We issue Mossberg 500s or 590s in the patrol cars, and we have a mix of personal and issued AR15s.
I'm using my personal Colt right now.
Issued 9mm ammo is the 124gr +P Gold Dot, a superb choice in 9mm duty ammo in our experience here.
Also...
our rifles are a mix of Colt and Bushmaster for supervisors, SWAT, and FTOs. Officers can qualify with a personally owned AR.
Ammo is Federal 55gr Tactical or M-193.
Shotgun is the Benelli Nova.
Ammo is Federal or Winchester low recoil/tac slug.
Offduty/backup allowed...must qualify and be listed in your file.
Agreed.
The SWAT commander decided that we needed .45acp (because it's SO much more deadly, don't you know).
Admin said "Hell no" to 1911s, members weren't crazy about the G21's additional gripsize (when they were use to, and happy with, the G22/G23 feel and performance...this was about 6 months before the G21SF was introduced), so somehow SWAT ended up with the XD45.
Ahh!! the whims and logic of Tactical Command
:D
I sometimes wonder what I'd carry today if I for some reason went back in the field. It's great to read well thought out decisions here.
On duty: G22 with X300, and G27
Off duty: Novak/Para P14, and either G27 or M&P340
If I could choose my own duty weapon it would be 1911, HK45/P30, M&P9/45, XDM9/45... Glocks don't fit my hand.
We issue the SigSauer 226 and 226R in .40 with 165 grain HST rounds. Officers with small hands may opt for the SigSauer 239. (I implemented that policy change vefore the SIG E2 models came out.)
The agency has a limited number of Colt AR-15's. Officers are authorize to use personally owned AR-15's from Colt, S&W, Rock River, and Bushmaster.
Issue shotgun is the Remington 870 with a six round magazines.
Lights are mandated on rifles and shotguns. They are authorized on handguns.
My duty weapon is the Glock G34 with the x-300. Ive been doing some work (just personal training) with the Gen 4 G17 and I hope Glock puts out the G34 gen 4 soon. I'd really dig the new frame on the G34.
G22 with TLR-1s and backup is a Kel-Tec p3at. I'm thinking of going to a G22 gen 4 though.
Issued Sig 226 with SF X300 and a Sig 239.
I carried a Colt Combat Elite for many years in uniform and investigations. I transitioned to a Les Baer in my current job.
Paladin_139
09-08-10, 05:55
Everyone in my department working patrol is issued and required to carry a gen 3 glock 22 for a duty gun. I would carry a gen 4 if I could. I also carry a glock 27 in my non dominant side cargo pocket as a backup. I chose the 27 because it will take the glock 22 mags that are stuffed everywhere in my patrol car and on my uniform.
NCSt8man1999
09-08-10, 09:20
Just switched this year. We were shooting the Sig 229R DAK .357 Sig.
Now, we have transitioned to the S&W M&P .357 Sig. Backup is M&P .357c . Ammo is Speer 125 gr Gold Dot.
ghettomedic
09-08-10, 09:58
My father has been issued the following guns over his career:
1980-1984 (Patrol): Personally owned S&W Model 28 4" .357
- Used his PPC gun, complete with bull barrel, protected front sight, chamfered cylinders and a trigger job to die for. That gun must weigh 6 pounds.
1984-1992 (Detectives): S&W Model 66 2.5" .357
- Patrol issued 4" Model 66, Detectives/Civil given choice of 2.5"
1992-2001 (Vice/Narcotics): S&W Model 6906 9mm
- Department-wide issue, Sheriff's own gun went full-auto during staff qualification in 2000, new duty gun search began shortly thereafter :thank_you2:
2001-2010 (Patrol): HK USP .45
- Detectives and Smaller-handed Deputies could request USPc
2010-Present (Patrol): M&P 45
- Detectives and Smaller-handed Deputies can request M&P 45c
- WML authorized for K9 patrol units
RiflemanBobcat
09-08-10, 18:51
Department-issued (and mandated) Glock 22C with light (M3 for some of us, TLR-1 for the more fortunate). Word is--has been--we'll be moving to G21SF sometime soon-ish...but that's been "the word in the dep't" for about a year and change now.
BUG can be of any "known reliable" make/model/cal. so long as the armorer(s)/rangemasters give their okay, and you can (of course) qual with it. G27s are popular, for the obvious reasons.
*Of course, plainclothes, detectives, etc, are authorized other weapons (G23 and G27, generally, being among the most popular) when not in regular uniform. Of course, must qual with it and weapon must pass inspection/okay from rangemasters/armorers.
The department I work for seems to be a House of Glock....
Uniformed guys get glock 22's and 27's. Plain clothes get glock 23's. BUG's are pretty much whatever you can qualify with using the same qual as the duty weapons, minimum .38/9mm that is approved by the armorers. I've carried a Centennial of some sort since 1990.
Department Issue - S&W M&P .45 Fullsize w. Federal 230gr HST +p
BUG - Glock 26 w. Federal 124gr. HST +p
or
S&W 638 w. Speer 135gr +p
Rifle - Colt M-16a1 w. Federal 55gr Tactical Bonded
If I could the dept. issue would change to a Glock 17
Dept Issue= G22+Federal 180 gr Premium Hydra-Shok
Car Carry=
Rem 870 w/Surfire fore-ends and AR style adjustable stocks+Polyshok
Bushmaster M4 w/surfire suppressors+55 gr Hornady Tap
Department issue Glock 22 or 22C (uniform), Glock 23C (supvs & plain clothes), Remington 870 14", Bushmaster AR's. The most popular BUG is the S&W 442/642 followed by the Glock 27.
But I am transitioning to the M&P for T&E purposes.
I carry a 1911 .45, and have for many years.
Les Baer 1911 Concept VIII
Duty: Issued Glock G22 with issued 155 Federal Tactical Bonded. The round has worked pretty well in about 15 or more OISs. MUCH better than the 155 Hydra-Shok we previously carried, or the 9mm 124 Hydra-Shok before that.
BUG: G27
Off Duty: G23
Patrol Rifle: Personally owned Colt, issue 55gr. Federal Tactical Bonded
Shotgun: Issue 14 inch 870 with Federal Tactical reduced Recoil 9 pellet OO Buck and Federal Reduced Recoil slug.
I also carry a S&W 342 in an off duty or BUG capacity; 135 Gold Dot.
Duty:
Glock 22 with Federal 165gr HST
My own Colt AR15A3 Tactical Carbine with Federal Tactical TRU 55gr
Off-Duty:
Glock 36 with Federal 230gr HST
or
Kahr PM9 with Federal 147gr HST
or
Ruger LCP with Hornady Critical Defense
Since I started this thread I have settled on my Glock 17 for duty use. I flirted with my Glock 21 but decided to stick with my 17 for duty and my 19 for off duty. The only way I could see myself changing in the future is if I was issued a duty weapon.
PRGGodfather
11-12-10, 17:40
Glock 21SF with Streamlight TLR1 for uniform duty.
Plainclothes: Issued Glock 30 or optional off-duty choices. I use the Glock 26 as a primary and S&W 442 Airweight as a BUG in the dick bureau.
M&P 40. Great gun especially for duty use, and thats coming from a Sig and HK Guy. Even when coming of of leave for a while and shooting its printing right where I point. Never a hiccup either.
My department has a hard-on for 1911's. Colt in particular. That being the case, every officer is issued one.
However, anyone can carry any firearm that they can qual with as longs as it's a .38 or larger.
As a department, every patrol vehicle (and some plain wraps) has an Colt AR up with the driver and we are currently in the process of switching out our stun bag shotguns (870) out and putting a 40 mil blue nose in every car as well. Shotguns will then be placed in the truck and will hold breaching rounds.
I carry a G17, and a S&W J frame (642) as a BUG.
I carry a G26 w/ an extra mag off duty.
I've had an M&P (209921) on order for several months but not for duty carry; wish the damn thing would come in!
My department has a hard-on for 1911's. Colt in particular. That being the case, every officer is issued one.
However, anyone can carry any firearm that they can qual with as longs as it's a .38 or larger.
As a department, every patrol vehicle (and some plain wraps) has an Colt AR up with the driver and we are currently in the process of switching out our stun bag shotguns (870) out and putting a 40 mil blue nose in every car as well. Shotguns will then be placed in the truck and will hold breaching rounds.
I carry a G17, and a S&W J frame (642) as a BUG.
I carry a G26 w/ an extra mag off duty.
If I were a LEO that's the department I would want to work for!
If you say the Colts are 6933s I'm gonna be even more impressed than I already am. Sounds like a very switched-on dept.
Alaskapopo
11-14-10, 03:55
Im about a month out from graduating the academy and just curious to see what others out there are carrying. Also, what would you carry if you could choose your duty weapon? Right now I'm planning on running my Glock 17 depending on where I get hired.
My Wilson CQB in 45 acp.
Pat
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Tacteam369
11-14-10, 17:40
Department issued Glock 22, SWAT issued Glock 35 and Colt AR15 with 10.3" bbl with Gemtech can. Also a department issued Remington 700 in 308 (sniper team leader).
Street Dog
11-14-10, 20:25
We just approved 1911's for duty use, so I switched from the issue Glock 22 to a Nighthawk GRP Recon, with an X300, Wilson mags, and Hornady 230 grain XTP.
Kentucky Cop
11-15-10, 12:00
We just approved 1911's for duty use, so I switched from the issue Glock 22 to a Nighthawk GRP Recon, with an X300, Wilson mags, and Hornady 230 grain XTP.
This gets me excited! If my department would only follow the same :big_boss:
I would be all over a Springer Pro or a Nighthawk!
KC
Since you mention it, the AR's are 6933's.
SWAT gets the select fire option.
I will say my department has historically been quite progressive in this area.
Drew
Im about a month out from graduating the academy and just curious to see what others out there are carrying. Also, what would you carry if you could choose your duty weapon? Right now I'm planning on running my Glock 17 depending on where I get hired.
I carried a Sig P226, Glock 17, Glock 22, Glock 21 and Glock 21SF in my career. The G21's were purchased when my agency authorized them for carry, the rest were issued. G-19 and G-30 for off duty. Ruger SP-101 .357 Magnum bobbed-hammer in a secret spot. Call me old fashioned, but I like wheel guns for backup. They go boom when you need something to go boom and if you're skinning your BUG you likely need a big boom.
As was said, worry about the guns later. Get through the academy, FTO and probation first. Academy is the easy part.
Alaskapopo
11-15-10, 19:35
I carried a Sig P226, Glock 17, Glock 22, Glock 21 and Glock 21SF in my career. The G21's were purchased when my agency authorized them for carry, the rest were issued. G-19 and G-30 for off duty. Ruger SP-101 .357 Magnum bobbed-hammer in a secret spot. Call me old fashioned, but I like wheel guns for backup. They go boom when you need something to go boom and if you're skinning your BUG you likely need a big boom.
As was said, worry about the guns later. Get through the academy, FTO and probation first. Academy is the easy part.
I used to use a 442 38 special revolver for back up. But I found the Glock 26 to be a better choice. It always goes boom and is actually easy to shoot even at 25 yards. Plus its only about 100 fps slower than a comparable 357 mag load from a snubby. It also holds over twice as many rounds.
Pat
Currently Issued a 3rd Generation Glock G22 and have a personally owned G27 as an off duty/BUG
G35 with TLR-1 for uniform or SWAT, Gen 4 G22 in plainclothes, S&W 442 in front left pocket if in uniform.
Started out with an S&W 5946 but later changed to my current Glock 19.
I envy all you guys with your semi-autos :(
4" S&W
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carried in this excellent Safariland holster
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arizonaranchman
11-17-10, 12:11
Colt Gov't Series 80 .45 ACP since 1986... I've also carried a P226 for awhile when mandated, but once it again became an option went back to the 1911.
On duty: Sig 229R DAK in .357.
Off duty: OD G26 w/ G17 spare mag.
I will eventually go to a M&P .45 midsize for off duty. Rumor has it the Dept is going to another platform since the Sigs are getting "old" and the M&P was mentioned in passing as wells Glock 31's. We'll see, but since NCHP went to M&P's (if I'm not mistaken) we will to. We always follow suit with what they do for some reason.
Glock 21SF with Surefire X300.
Glock 19w/TLR1 and a S&W 442.
Currently a Springfield TRP. I have carried some form of 1911 for most of my 27 years as a LEO. I have also carried a Glock 17 (1988,) then a Glock 22 when they came out. When I first started we had to carry revolvers in uniform so I carried a S&W 686.
Dept Issued Glock 22 for 1.5 years and then Springfield TRP Operator 1911
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Your dept wont let you carry auto loaders?
I envy all you guys with your semi-autos :(
S&W 620
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carried in this excellent Safariland holster
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Glock 22 in .40 S&W
and
Remington 870 Police.
Hopefully in the new year we will have AR's on the road as well.:D
Department issued Glock 22 with TLR1 lights. Speer Gold Dot 180gr.
Department issued Remington 870T. Federal Tactical Low Recoil buck and slugs.
Department issued BCM MID-16. Hornady 68gr OTM.
BUG Kahr K40
Off duty mostly Glock 23
When I was promoted, I picked the issue weapons and ammunition. If I had to do it again, I would choose the Glock 34. This is my new all time favorite handgun!
Your dept wont let you carry auto loaders?
I guess I could have been a little clearer, if you look at my location you see that I'm from Luxembourg (western Europe). There are no different departments in this country, just one police force nationwide (like in most Euro countries). We all carry the same equipment of course and personal weapons are not allowed. So yes, they won't let me carry a semi-auto :( Some office guy who is responsible for our weapons selection likes revolvers, so we'll have to use them at least as long he's around. Every LEO is issued an MP5 (semi-only) too, but still... you usually don't have it on your person of course (usually in the car, some people leave it at the station :eek: ), so I'd rather have a good pistol and no SMG, than our current set-up!
I guess I could have been a little clearer, if you look at my location you see that I'm from Luxembourg (western Europe). There are no different departments in this country, just one police force nationwide (like in most Euro countries). We all carry the same equipment of course and personal weapons are not allowed. So yes, they won't let me carry a semi-auto :( Some office guy who is responsible for our weapons selection likes revolvers, so we'll have to use them at least as long he's around. Every LEO is issued an MP5 (semi-only) too, but still... you usually don't have it on your person of course (usually in the car, some people leave it at the station :eek: ), so I'd rather have a good pistol and no SMG, than our current set-up! I've been through Luxembourg a couple of times, Dont blink to long or you'll miss it. Nice place with friendly people, They really dont care for American soldiers carrying heavy artillary in their stores though. LOL My department issues SIG 229R DAK pistols in 9mm, Remington 124 grain Golden Saber ammo. At least you have a gaurenteed 6 rounds at your finger tips not bad for a lightly armed populace and you can become proficient with it as long as you get a good ammo alotment and training. Cops in the US carried the .38 special revolver from the late 1800's through the mid 1980's and faced a much heavier armed populace so dont feel too bad.
Glock 21. Have to buy your own tac light. As well as the tac light holster.
Marine magnum shotgun. I have my own Benelli M4. I carry my own M&P compact 9mm as secondary pistol.
Some patrol officers were recently issued mil. surplus ar's from the early 60's. teardrop forward assist, no shell deflectors:sarcastic:
I carry my own rifles.:D
My Department downgraded from 4506s to M&P 45s last year for issue, required to be carried on duty for everyone except for SOD.
The Command Staff is in love with the .45, even though we have many officers who can barely qualify with it, and we have always carried S&Ws (Smith gave us the M&Ps for free).
I carry a Glock 19 on/off-duty and if given the option would carry it in uniform over the M&P. I purchased my old 4506, it was reliable, accurate, and heavy enough to be used as a club if you ran out of ammo.
The best I will say about the M&P is that after 1000 rds it has never malfunctioned and I finally felt the trigger reset the other day.
Just an update since I've started this thread. I have carried my Glock 17 for the two years on the job. Very happy with it.
So glad to be a civilian where I can carry any firearm I'm comfortable with, without concerns for administration oversight. An administration that probably has little or no street credibility and only worried about lawsuits and public opinion. Sorry to sound so cynical but in a former occupation I worked with a lot of officers and understand their frustration.
rem 700 20" .308, hornady 150 sst.
12 guage, #00 flite control, fed tru ball, both reduced recoil from mossberg 590 and rem 870 14"
5.56x45, 55 grain gold dots from a 16" dpms mid length barrel and scoped, 10" lmt with 3 way selector.
my handgun choice is glock 17 9mm and hate it all you want but its accuracy is why i chose it. we go from freezing winters and thick clothing to weeks of triple digits and high humidity with very minimal clothing. i load all magazines with 124 +p gold dots in the cold months and load the handgun magazine with 115 +p+ bple federal load during warm seasons. both 9mm loads have proven records. anybody else change due to weather induced attire ?? just curious. also have glock 19, 26, and dept beretta 92 and springfield m14, both courtesy of federal loan programs.
Alaskapopo
02-21-12, 04:43
My Department downgraded from 4506s to M&P 45s last year for issue, required to be carried on duty for everyone except for SOD.
The Command Staff is in love with the .45, even though we have many officers who can barely qualify with it, and we have always carried S&Ws (Smith gave us the M&Ps for free).
I carry a Glock 19 on/off-duty and if given the option would carry it in uniform over the M&P. I purchased my old 4506, it was reliable, accurate, and heavy enough to be used as a club if you ran out of ammo.
The best I will say about the M&P is that after 1000 rds it has never malfunctioned and I finally felt the trigger reset the other day.
I would say going from a all steel 9 shooter to a polimer 11 shooter is an upgrade.
Pat
bakercountyboy
02-21-12, 10:46
Duty- Glock 22 in a serpa level III :(
Off duty- M&P 9mm in a armordillo concealment holster
StrikerFired
02-21-12, 11:03
Issued a Sig 220DAK sadly also in a Level III Serpa
But I carry a M&P 9c for my off duty carry
At this chapter of your career the Glock 17 or whatever they issue you will work just fine. Concentrate on passing FTO and probation and worry about guns and other stuff later.
This,^^. You need to worry about the little things that will help stay alive. I found it a hard to go from doing everything one way and then just being expected to do it another way. ( working in the jail for 2 years did not help anything) My FTO program at my department made me a wreck. But once it was over everything was so much better.
But I carry a G19, and M&P9F, and I am issued a M&P45( I hate it).
sig 226 in 357 sig, best damn combo I could want. It packs a walup and holds 12 rounds with little recoil and I and make long shots.
eightmillimeter
02-21-12, 12:58
M&P 40, M&P rifle, 870 12G
All issued
Issued M&P40, carry an M&P40c off duty. I've been very pleased with both of the M&P's. I've considered swapping the 40c for other platforms (Glock 19, P30, PPQ) but have decided to save my limited training funds to work towards mastering my issued weapon. Weapon lights are prohibited with the exception of use by certain special units.
Don't get me started on the long gun situation....
I'm not a LEO, but I know city police carry Glock 22s and the county sheriffs carry M&P 40s.
The county sheriff Cert team has/ can run MP5s or 14.5" AR carbines as the needs warrant.
unclestevie45
02-21-12, 18:52
Sig P226R DAK in .40
S&W 640 BUG on my vest
S&W AR 15 in the trunk.
We are in the discussion stage of changing handguns over to something in .45.
Off duty, Glock 30.
Glock 22 Gen 4 with TLR-1 on duty and off duty. Used to carry SA XD40 but I don't like it anymore. BCM middy in the trunk. Plan on getting a G23 for off duty soon.
On duty: HK USP .40 LEM, Remington 11-87 Police 12 gauge (trunk), BCM 16" Carbine (trunk).
Off Duty: Walther PPS 9mm, Ruger LCP .380
RagweedZulu
02-21-12, 22:04
The entire California Highway Patrol is issued a S&W 4006 TSW and we are currently carrying Winchester 180gr. Rangers. The pistol obviously has a rail, but we only recently were authorized to carry a weaponmounted light on it. The rule for years has been NO modifications to the factory original pistol, AT ALL.
When I started we were issued the original 4006. I was told that with new springs and maybe a replacement barrel, it would last me my entire 30 year career. Good grief. Ironically, only two years later we were searching out a new pistol in .40. What did we go with? Maybe the new M&P? A light polymer pistol with greater capacity and easier on the back? Nope. How about a new version of the same ol' pistol but this time with some laser engraving in the slide. :cray:
Luckily we have a fairly open BUG policy and in carry either a G27 or a S&W 642 on my vest. No off-duty rules at all. In the car we have mounted a Remington 870 and one version of the AR15 or another.
Department issued BCM MID-16. Hornady 68gr OTM.
I like the sounds of your department. We have to buy all of our weapons.
We just switched from Sig 229's in .357 Sig (started breaking at an alarming rate) to M&P .40's. Loving the switch. Thankfully we have some latitude in carry gear, so mine rides in an RCS w/x300 (plainclothes, must be concealed).
I'm curious to know how many departments have on open policy on *off duty* weapon choice. Mine does not - we are a 24/7 carry agency, and the only authorized weapon is the issued hardware.
RagweedZulu
02-22-12, 08:24
I'm curious to know how many departments have on open policy on *off duty* weapon choice. Mine does not - we are a 24/7 carry agency, and the only authorized weapon is the issued hardware.
We aren't required or encouraged to carry off duty. The department doesn't take a stand so it doesn't take on the responsibility of any off duty incident.
Surprisingly, we have no rules about off duty pistols. As California LEOs we are authorized to carry anytime, anyplace. Which in this state is a HUGE benefit!
Dos Cylindros
02-22-12, 10:46
I switched agencies several months ago, so I thought I would post my new on duty specs. Dept. issue handgun is S&W M&P 40 with 180 grain Winchester Ranger T JHP's. I carry a S&W J frame .38 as a backup, and my personal BCM 16" middy as my patrol carbine. There are also Remington 870's in every car. Off duty, it is my J frame or duty gun depending on the situation.
Glock 21C with X300 issued.
Remington 870 with Surefire issued.
Colt 6933 (personal), but Colt 6520 issued if I preferred.
I'm curious to know how many departments have on open policy on *off duty* weapon choice. Mine does not - we are a 24/7 carry agency, and the only authorized weapon is the issued hardware.
Not required nor encouraged. Up to the officer. Can carry any pistol you want and no requirement to qualify with it.
Currently carry a Gen 3 GLOCK 22 with factory night sights. It's PD Issue... I've carried in the past a Gen 3 GLOCK 37 and Gen 2 GLOCK 17.
If I could carry what ever I wanted.....
Would be my GLOCK 24... six inch barreled .40 S&W GLOCK. Great trigger, great sight radius, and I don't need to worry about concealed carry with it anyways since I'm in uniform.
Unfortunetly I can top that....Ruger P89DAO. :( No choice.
WHAT THE HELL?!?!?!?! I'll send you a damn Sigma, even that would be better
We just switched from Sig 229's in .357 Sig (started breaking at an alarming rate) to M&P .40's. Loving the switch. Thankfully we have some latitude in carry gear, so mine rides in an RCS w/x300 (plainclothes, must be concealed).
I'm curious to know how many departments have on open policy on *off duty* weapon choice. Mine does not - we are a 24/7 carry agency, and the only authorized weapon is the issued hardware.
The city dept I'm at allows pretty much anything for off duty carry as long as it's a .38 or larger. Every BUG/off duty we carry we have to qualify with.
We provide our own duty weapon. As of right now, it's limited to the following:
P229/226, Glock 22/23, M&P40. The XD/XDM was on the list but I think they've removed it or recommended to take it off the list. If you have one before the change/removal recommendation you're still allowed to carry it.
ETA: We have no ammo brand/model restriction. I currently carry the M&P 40 with 180gr Fed HST.
Glock 22 on duty
Glock 19 off duty
snake eater 332
02-22-12, 14:03
We currently are issued and carry the 9mm Sig P226R, and have carried 9mm Sig P226 models as duty issue since I started 15 years ago. However, we are in the process of switching over to the P226R in .40S&W within the next few months.
We are also issued 12ga 14" Mossberg 590A1s and 5.56 RRA Entry Tactical carbines with 16" barrels...no lights for either long gun, despite protestations.
We are allowed to be qualified in up to 3 off-duty handguns by policy and encouraged to carry off-duty.
Right now Gen 3 Glock 22 with TLR1 light. 180gr. Federal HST. To make things simple I just carry it off duty as well. No shotguns except for the less lethal in the Corporal's car. We are allowed to carry either one of the department's Bushmaster AR's or we can buy our own. I currently carry a Smith and Wesson M&P-15TS.
We are not required to carry off duty but most of us do. Glock 23 is the usual choice, I carry a G27 Gen 4 sometimes but I wish I would have gotten the G23.
Our policy is kind of weird. Can't carry anything under 9mm. We are authorized to carry one off duty gun as long as we qualify with it. You can carry a snub .38 or 357 revolver as well if you qualify with it. All pistols have to be striker fired or double action only (No exposed hammers) except for our SWAT team who can carry a issue Beretta 96 if they want (Most of them don't even carry it when they are called out).
Red dots are allowed but iron sights must be visible through the optic. Recently a guy got a ACOG approved by having his BUIS offset so only has to tilt the rifle to use them if something happens to the acog.
One of the guys I work with bought a HK 45 for off duty and had to install the LEM trigger before he would be allowed to carry it.
I like the sounds of your department. We have to buy all of our weapons.
It's good knowing that the guy in charge of purchasing weapons for the department (me) knows a little about quality firearms....:D
trackstar55
02-22-12, 18:37
I was issued a Glock 21C and carried it for 5 1/2 years. I loved that gun and when the department upgraded, I bought it back.
Now I carry a Kimber Warrior with a Surefire X300. I just bought a new Glock 21 and will be carrying that from now on.
My backup is a Glock 30 in the bug out bag and on my person is a Smith and Wesson M&P 340.
Our 55+ manned department does not issue guns, so you will see various firearms. Most carry Glock 22's and Glock 21's
Some of the older guys carry Smith 4506's. Revolvers are banned.
It's good knowing that the guy in charge of purchasing weapons for the department (me) knows a little about quality firearms....:D
That is nice. We have guys like you but the ivory tower doesn't listen.
That is nice. We have guys like you but the ivory tower doesn't listen.
Not to hop up on my soapbox or anything, but it literally took years for the ivory tower listen. Not only with guns but equipment too. I seem to be the guinea pig around here. First to put a light on my pistol. Then we had a shooting and all of a sudden, lights and holsters were issued to everyone. The saga never ends....
I am amazed at the number of 1911s in this thread... Never would have thought it was such a commonly used service pistol in the present era.
I am amazed at the number of 1911s in this thread... Never would have thought it was such a commonly used service pistol in the present era.
It isn't, and remains an exception to the norm. There are enclaves of 1911 users by agency or region though. Use of the 1911 type will also be more common (but still not a norm) with true practitioners of the craft, such as those here at M4C.
Of those that use the 1911, watch for those using quality guns, and those buying less so. The former will be carrying them for their merits, the latter for the appearance or lore.
It isn't, and remains an exception to the norm. There are enclaves of 1911 users by agency or region though. Use of the 1911 type will also be more common (but still not a norm) with true practitioners of the craft, such as those here at M4C.
Of those that use the 1911, watch for those using quality guns, and those buying less so. The former will be carrying them for their merits, the latter for the appearance or lore.
Well said. I think its damn near impossible to beat a 1911 in an urban environment. (I'm not so sure about anywhere with sand-istan)
Sig 229EQ flavored .357 Sig
Punisher1336
02-23-12, 21:04
When I worked patrol, I carried a Glock 19 with a 26 as a backup. Now in the Det Div. I carry the 19with a 5 shot J frame as back up . The S&W is worn on the ankle. I find the Glock 26 too bulky for the ankle. I carried the 26 in a compartment on my vest when on patrol. Dets generally never wear vests.
HK P30 (LEM) 9mm. SW 442 as a bug. We must provide our own duty weapons.
Issued Sig P220R with an issued TLR-1 slinging Ranger's in the 230gr flavor. BUG and off duty is my S&W 340.
Admin flat out refuses to switch to a polymer anything. As of a week or two ago when new sidearms were brought up I was told to send in a proposal, but the weapon had to be all steel, and in .45. That leaves pretty much the Sig, and 1911's for duty guns. I'd carry my TRP over my Sig all day, but we have some people who only tough their 220's to qualify, and I can't imagine them trying to clean or maintain a 1911. :sad:
I honestly would've flat out called B.S. if someone told me how much better I would shoot the TRP over my P220. I used to think the 220 was one of the guns I shot the best in .45, but it's scary how much better I shoot the 1911.
As they both carry the same amount of ammo, and I can't swap to polymer I'd like to swap over to 1911 personally if they would let individual Officer's to supply their own weapons. But that's a no no :nono:
My personal choice would be a G17 slinging 147 grain HST's if I could carry anything I wanted.
Alaskapopo
02-24-12, 01:59
Issued Sig P220R with an issued TLR-1 slinging Ranger's in the 230gr flavor. BUG and off duty is my S&W 340.
Admin flat out refuses to switch to a polymer anything. As of a week or two ago when new sidearms were brought up I was told to send in a proposal, but the weapon had to be all steel, and in .45. That leaves pretty much the Sig, and 1911's for duty guns. I'd carry my TRP over my Sig all day, but we have some people who only tough their 220's to qualify, and I can't imagine them trying to clean or maintain a 1911. :sad:
I honestly would've flat out called B.S. if someone told me how much better I would shoot the TRP over my P220. I used to think the 220 was one of the guns I shot the best in .45, but it's scary how much better I shoot the 1911.
As they both carry the same amount of ammo, and I can't swap to polymer I'd like to swap over to 1911 personally if they would let individual Officer's to supply their own weapons. But that's a no no :nono:
My personal choice would be a G17 slinging 147 grain HST's if I could carry anything I wanted.
That is what I carry and got the chief to issue our officers. Your a smart man.
Pat
I am issued a Gen 1 Glock 22 40 cal. some other officers carry 9 mm and the chief carries a hammerless airweight .357.
richdkim77
02-24-12, 05:34
I am issued a Kimber Pro Carry II. I've carried this gun for 10 years, so it's at the end of it's duty cycle. I've broken this gun so many times it's getting old. I can't wait until I transition back to a Glock 17 or 21... whichever they decide to issue.
We are issued S&W M&P .40s with Bushmaster ARs in the trunk.
I carry my personal G22 with X300& DG switch. Bug is a G27. I carry a personal BCM 16" middy with T1 and SF mini scout.
If I could carry anything I would switch to 9mm glocks, I just shoot the 9mm better and cheaper.
On duty, blued steel Colt Government model with a S&W 640 as a BUG. Off duty, Colt combat commander.
G17 with 147gr HST. All self provided.
Beretta PX4 Storm DA 9mm, :(
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