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parishioner
01-05-10, 19:31
I agree with some of what he says, other parts......not so much.

The gun bit is in bold towards the bottom.

http://sportsillustrated.cnn.com/2010/basketball/nba/01/05/karl.malone.arenas/index.html?xid=FanHouse&icid=main|main|dl4|link7|http%3A%2F%2Fsportsillustrated.cnn.com%2F2010%2Fbasketball%2Fnba%2F01%2F05%2Fkarl.malone.arenas%2Findex.html%3Fxid%3DFanHouse


Former NBA star Karl Malone is an avid hunter who publicly declared his advocacy of the right to bear arms by becoming a spokesman for the National Rifle Association. SI.com asked Malone for his thoughts on the situation involving three-time All-Star Gilbert Arenas, who acknowledged Monday that he stored unloaded guns at the Verizon Center in Washington, D.C., and said he displayed them in front of Wizards teammate as "a misguided effort to play a joke."

The report that Arenas and teammate Javaris Crittenton had allegedly pulled guns on each other was one of the worst things I've ever seen come across the TV. All the years I played, I've never heard of anything like this alleged incident or of a player bringing guns into the locker room. Doing that in the locker room, with so much that can happen? It's one of those things you just don't do. I can't make any sense of that. You can't tell me one good thing that can happen with a gun in an arena, but I can tell you a thousand bad things.

If I'm a player on that team, of course, I'm saying to those guys, "What the hell are you doing?" Even if, as Arenas insists, he brought the guns to the arena because he wanted them away from his children at home, I wouldn't have bought that excuse. Buy a safe. Put them in there. End of story.

The NBA can't sweep something like that under the rug. To me, this is another example of a dark cloud that we can never seem to get over. When I say "we," I mean the NBA. I'm still an NBA player; I'm just retired. The amazing thing to me is, it seems just when the league has a little bit of positivity, then we have one big negative and it reflects on all the players. Now people think every NBA player is carrying firearms into the locker room. I guess the next thing is that instead of us walking around those metal detectors in arenas, we should start walking through them. So many kids are doing it the right way in the league, but you get linked with one guy making one mistake.

This is bigger than a guns-in-the-locker-room story, because supposedly the alleged altercation stemmed from a gambling debt. I used to play cards with teammates, and you're not just playing for the sake of it. You're playing for money, but I never won or lost to the point I was angry with my teammates and wanted to fight or pull a gun.

With regard to discipline, commissioner David Stern is the only one who can attempt to fix this, and he has to be the one to make the statement -- in the same way that Roger Goodell treats disciplinary situations with the NFL. I absolutely love the way Goodell handles things. I know people don't really like what Goodell has done in certain cases, but they respect him because he'll tell you why he did it. I don't want to seem like I'm bashing Stern, because I'm not, but that's what people want to see.

I don't want to see Arenas made an example of, but this is not just a minor situation, and if we say that, it's ridiculous. This is one of those times that the league needs to say, "We will not condone this." Guys need to be proud of being an NBA player. Being in the NBA is a great thing. The league owes us nothing. We owe what we have to the NBA. Take your job seriously, have a sense of urgency to get people back in the stands. People are waiting to see how the commissioner handles it. They don't want to hear from anyone but him.

I like Arenas, but his initial reaction to this, in which he downplayed the seriousness of having guns in the locker room, was all wrong. It's wrong to make light of a firearm. That's when mistakes are made. 'Fess up, and don't blow it off like it wasn't a mistake. Say, "I made a terrible mistake with a gun. I need to make it right." This is nothing to be laughing about.

Once again, gun owners get a bad rap. We're good people; we're not back in the Old West. I got my first gun when I was 8 years old -- an old .410 single shot. I've been around them all the time ever since, and I'm a member of the NRA. I love guns, and I respect guns. I have them in a secure place. When I was in Utah, I took all the necessary training with the gun and had my concealed-weapons permit, and I'll be the first to tell you I don't go anywhere in my vehicle without my weapon, but at no point has it ever occurred to me to take it inside anywhere, let alone an arena.

Unfortunately, we always hear bad things about guns. But guns don't kill people -- people kill people. I'm not saying that everybody should have guns, but I will tell you this: If you're willing to go through the training and proper procedure to have guns, then they're fine.

But if I were a gun dealer and somebody walked in and said, "I want this for protection," I don't know if I would sell it to that person, because that person's only thinking about another confrontation. The people who get threatened or cut off in their car and think about their guns are the people who don't need a gun. My grandfather, Leonard Jackson, once told me, "Karl, remember this, son: If you ever pull a gun, be prepared to fire that gun, because the person you pull that gun on has every right to pull a gun on you." He told me that when I was 6 and I didn't even have a gun yet.

The big picture is that guns won't protect you. If someone really wanted to get you, they would. If you still feel you need that protection, get yourself a bodyguard who knows the rules and knows the laws. How about you do all of that before you even consider having a gun? For you to say you need a gun for your protection? My goodness gracious, how are you living that you need that? I don't know where all these guys grew up, or who wants to do something to them, but be honest about why you want it. If you need a gun for that, that's for all the wrong reasons and something bad will come from it.

If I seem a little fired up, I am. It's a privilege to own a firearm and I take offense when people don't handle their business the right way.

wake.joe
01-05-10, 19:38
"It's a privilege to own a firearm.."

I thought it was a right?:confused:

glockshooter
01-05-10, 19:51
I think you are taking the previledge thing out of context. I think it was more meant it like " I am previledged to be a member of this board". I definately don't agree with his idea of not taking a gun out of the car thing or the statement of get a bodyguard if you want to be safe. While I think Karls heart is in the right place I think some of his ideals are odd

Matt

subzero
01-05-10, 19:53
Oh, so close. Sorry Karl.

parishioner
01-05-10, 20:10
While I think Karls heart is in the right place

I agree. He is definitely on our side. Some of his comments just leave you scratching your head. It seems as though he could be persuaded otherwise.

He just doesn't realize, the poor guy. ;)

SeriousStudent
01-05-10, 20:29
I would much rather see Karl Malone's pro-2A message, than have him standing next to Bloomberg on a podium somewhere.

Not perfect statement, gentlemen, but a welcome one.

freakshow10mm
01-05-10, 20:33
It's a privilege meaning for those that can afford them.

It's a right to own a firearm but it's a privilege to actually own one. He's been on record plenty about this.

Macx
01-05-10, 20:40
and I'll be the first to tell you I don't go anywhere in my vehicle without my weapon, but at no point has it ever occurred to me to take it inside anywhere, let alone an arena.
So let me get this straight. . . . He is a person that might be recognized
http://uagreeks.uark.edu/images/Karl_Malone.jpg
Seeing as google was kind enough to make finding a pic really easy. And he always has a weapon in his car, which he has to get out of sometimes. And he always leaves it in his car, which he is away from. And no enterprising young hood is going to think "hey, I bet Karl has a NICE gat! I'd like to have Karl's gat."

Okay. . . .I should read the rest of the article, that just jumped out pretty quick.

BSHNT2015
01-05-10, 20:41
Karl Malone spoke well and should be commended for that. I rather take what he had to say vs Rosie O'Donnell.

David Thomas
01-05-10, 20:53
And he always leaves it in his car, which he is away from. And no enterprising young hood is going to think "hey, I bet Karl has a NICE gat! I'd like to have Karl's gat."

Okay. . . .I should read the rest of the article, that just jumped out pretty quick.


Wasn't very well thought out. However, something tells me he is going to be okay.

Mjolnir
01-05-10, 21:00
Malone is from Louisiana and he has been an avid outdoorsman (i.e., hunter and shooter) since his days in college (I know); perhaps as a kid. It was one of the things that engendered him in Salt Lake City. I recall reading that many Black basketball players dreaded being drafted by The Jazz as many pro players are urban and their way of life contrasted with that of rural and rural-cultured White America. Not so Malone.

HK51Fan
01-05-10, 21:26
I like his overall premis, but the privilige part sits wrong with me, although he's proablably just repeating what he's been led to believe his whole life.....The Gov't has been trying to sell this for years and have most people believing it until the past 10yrs when the internet has really come into it's own. It's amazing how the informed masses can make a change. I bet the gov't of the world with the internet was never developed on the scale that it is today!

Without it...how many of us would really know that there are so many like thinking people out there? I was always a bit uncomfortable bringing up the issue becasue I thought I was part of a small minority, so I had people of like mind all around but didn't know it because nobody wanted to be the first to bring it up.

glocktogo
01-05-10, 22:26
The big picture is that guns won't protect you. If someone really wanted to get you, they would. If you still feel you need that protection, get yourself a bodyguard who knows the rules and knows the laws.

Sounds a little elitist to me. Overall it's a pro-gun message, but it sends some very wrong signals at the same time.

Heavy Metal
01-05-10, 23:04
I self-bodyguard. I am a Bodyguard of one!

I am a real sonofabitch to work for. A total prick for a boss. Just ask anyone who knows him..err..me!:D

10MMGary
01-06-10, 00:07
In regards to the "bodyguards" and the taking the gun everywhere I believe he was referring to his fellow NBA players. Seemed to me he was saying that if your in the Assoc. and you have these concerns you are doing something wrong in your life. Make the proper changes and take some of that $$$$$$ and pay for professional protection. I could be wrong but I want to believe he meant well.

FromMyColdDeadHand
01-06-10, 01:56
He shoots - rimming - and the shot is not good.

A-Bear680
01-06-10, 07:07
In regards to the "bodyguards" and the taking the gun everywhere I believe he was referring to his fellow NBA players. Seemed to me he was saying that if your in the Assoc. and you have these concerns you are doing something wrong in your life. Make the proper changes and take some of that $$$$$$ and pay for professional protection. I could be wrong but I want to believe he meant well.
Seems that way to me , too. There have been some very ugly incidents involving pro sport players and firearms recently.
Sounds like he really wanted to say that dumb asses shouldn't use guns in irresponsible and unethical ways. That makes him a good candidate for some gentle persuasion , not attacks.

woodandsteel
01-06-10, 11:11
I would much rather see Karl Malone's pro-2A message, than have him standing next to Bloomberg on a podium somewhere.

Not perfect statement, gentlemen, but a welcome one.

I agree. He could have said it a little better than he did. But, I still welcome him as a voice for our side.

Maybe he just feels priviledged living in a country where he has the right to keep and bear arms.

CarlosDJackal
01-06-10, 11:20
I think you guys are reading into his commentary too much. IMHO, Karl Malone's comments are directed more towards the other NBA players than it is to us (ie: the bodyguard comment). When taken in that context, I think he's pretty much on.

XKL
01-06-10, 11:32
As others have said, this should all be read in the context of an interview with Sports Illustrated about a fellow athelete pulling out a gun in the team locker room. Also it's not a prepared statement; it was a bit of a rambling answer, but still in the original context. Think of it this way, what if Oprah or Tom Cruise walked into a gun store and said "I want to buy a gun to protect myself." Certainly part of the rational response would be "uh, is this in lieu of personal security?"

On the other hand, I did find it interesting and surprising that he said he never takes his gun into a building. Frankly, I think that's only true in this context too. It's against NBA rules to take a gun into an arena or have a gun during public appearances. It's possible he's just saying that he followed that rule. Or he doesn't conceal carry because he's got body guards or isn't worried about stuff. That's ok too.

Also, I wouldn't read the "privilege" comment the wrong way. Every right is also a privilege. Owning a gun could be a God-given right, but around there world there are billions of people who had that right taken away. Idiots who do stupid things with guns give support to people who don't believe in that right, and will do what they can to limit (or eliminate) it. If you want to protect your rights, you remember that they are also privileges that could be lost. (For example, when/if Arenas gets convicted of a felony he'll lose his right to own a gun.)