View Full Version : Favorite Light/Mount with Magpul AFG?
I have never mounted a light or VFG before, but I have a new 6.8 12.5" Noveske and I would like to add these.
The new AFG looks like it will work well for me, but I am wondering what light/mount combo will work best with this. This will be mostly for indoors, so I don't think I need the light of the sun (however, I am most concerned about quality and function, so cost is really not a consideration for the set up).
Thanks in advance for your opinions/thoughts.
im going to be using a 4sevens quark aa tactical light in an olight 20mm offset mount. its a simple interface that will take normal AA 1.5v alkaline batteries or lithium ion rechargeables at 4.2 volts. with standard batterys they hit about 120lumens with the li-ons it hits near 240. has a low medium and high with a 15hz strobe function and a quick change between two programmable modes. havent got it mounted yet but when i do ill run it very hard just to make sure it will stay put.
4sevens makes good stuff from what I have read and been told. I own several NiteCore units and was considering using one of theirs. I may look into the 4sevens some more.
you can get the quarks for about 55. i like the single cell lights cause you dont have to worry about recoil smashing batterys together ( reduces the chance of flaming vent). i like the fact that the tacticalls can program two quick modes. just tighten the head for high loosen for strobe. only thing there lacking is a pressure switch. but i think ill mangae.
http://www.candlepowerforums.com/vb/showthread.php?t=233925
thats a good one of the lights themselfs
the tactical interface is very different and the big thing that draws me to this light. part of the kiss rule is if you have to many modes youll always be in the wrong one. with the tactical i could program both tight and loose high. or one to strobe and one to high but still be able to get to a lower mode for navigation purposes. it really is hard being a kiss preacher and a flashaholic.
http://www.4sevens.com/index.php?cPath=297_306
nutnless220
01-07-10, 16:26
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They underate there lumens alot. multiply by about 1.4 or 1.6 for actual output.
Just put my AFG on today, and put my TLR-1C4 on at 3 o'clock, to try. I figured I would need to add a cylinder body light with a tape switch, but this setup is actually kinda nice. Light, simple, no wires, and I can manipulate the switch pretty easy when on the AFG. I'm diggin' it so far!
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/jimbo45/100_2031.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/jimbo45/100_2028.jpg
are you using your index finger to activate it?
are you using your index finger to activate it?
I am using my middle finger. I do so, because my index on my left sustained an injury in the past, which resulted in nerve damage. I suppose the index would be just as easy for most folks.
okay. does it get in the way when your shooting lefty?
okay. does it get in the way when your shooting lefty?
Yeah, a little. Thats the only hangup. But, it is still doable, just not very comfortable. Shooting a long gun lefty, has always been uncomfortable for me, though, regardless of light location. :D
I spent some time today with the 12.5" barrel and I don't think the AFG will work well for me with a light. The SWS rail is only 9" I believe, and it just seems really short. I think I will end up going with a stubby VFG and and mount a light on the left (I hold the rail with my left hand).
I am used to shooting my JP CTR-02 with a rifle length VTAC and I grab it at the very end for 3 gun competition and wrap my hand around the end, just in front of the gas block.
However, the AFG would probably work well for my 16" bbl Noveske or even on my VTAC on the 18" JP.
The 12.5" is just too short. My hand ( I wear size 8.5 surgical gloves) wraps around the entire bottom, left, top and part of the right side of the rail. That really leaves no place for a light on the distal part of the rail.
I guess this really depends on how/where you like to grab the rail with your non-dominant hand.
seems like the general consensus is that the FAG needs to be mounted pretty far out to be comfortable and then you need that extra little bit infront of it for a light so that means longer rails will like the AFG better
UrbanRunner
01-31-10, 22:41
I have decided to give the Magpul AFG a try but would also like to keep a mounted light. For those of you using such a setup I'd like to hear your recommendations. Pictures would be much appreciated.
Belmont31R
01-31-10, 23:01
I use an X300 in a LaRue mount at 12 o'clock.
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/BM31R/photo-7.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/BM31R/photo-8.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/BM31R/photo-9.jpg
http://i274.photobucket.com/albums/jj245/BM31R/photo-10.jpg
CarlosDJackal
01-31-10, 23:11
A buddy of mine put his light at the 10 o'clock position. It's right at where his support-hand thumb is located.
I was using a tape switch and placed it on the 9 o'clock rail right where my thumb rested.
On my personal gun I have a Surefire SR07 switch on my top rail a few inches from the front, and the light mounted on the 3 o'clock. I activate the switch with my thumb. I like this setup.
On my work gun I have an Insight dual pressure switch mounted forward on the 9 o'clock rail due to the LA-5 mounted on the top rail. I activate the switch with my index finger. My light is mounted on the 3 o'clock rail.
http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/lbg375/MK18/MK18LeftSideFull.jpg
http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/lbg375/MK18/MK18LeftSideFront.jpg
http://i846.photobucket.com/albums/ab22/lbg375/MK18/MK18RightSideFront2.jpg
Belmont,
Just wondering why you would not mount it a little further so that you do not have to crank your thumb back to hit it. Running the AFG and the light more forward would put your tumb much closer and i figure more comfortable.
To each their own, just wondering if you had a rhyme or reason.:D:D
If you've got a long enough rail, putting the light at 11:00 and hitting with your thumb works pretty well. But you need to be able to have some rail left over in front of where you mount the AFG, and the AFG needs to be pretty far forward to take full advantage of the grip style it's geared toward. If you've got a short rail, I think mounting on the other side and using a tape switch you can hit with the thumb is a better method. There are a bunch of pics of my light setups in my post in the "AFG user feedback" thread.
Belmont31R
02-01-10, 01:46
Belmont,
Just wondering why you would not mount it a little further so that you do not have to crank your thumb back to hit it. Running the AFG and the light more forward would put your tumb much closer and i figure more comfortable.
To each their own, just wondering if you had a rhyme or reason.:D:D
The URX rail has a built in front BUIS, and the X300 is mounted as far forward as it will go while still allowing the BUIS to deploy up.
My left arm is only slightly bent with the AFG in its current position as pictured. I started out all the way out, and moved it back until it was comfortable.
Ridge_Runner_5
02-01-10, 09:02
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/AR-15/cb05c7e2.jpg
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b100/89Sunbird/AR-15/55806d9b.jpg
I runt he AFG all the way forward on a DD Omega 9.0, and use the VLTOR offset mount attached to the top of the rail to position the light at 2 o'clock on the rail. The tape switch is on top of the rail at 12 o'clock so when gripping the AFG I can reach it easily with my thumb.
I runt he AFG all the way forward on a DD Omega 9.0, and use the VLTOR offset mount attached to the top of the rail to position the light at 2 o'clock on the rail. The tape switch is on top of the rail at 12 o'clock so when gripping the AFG I can reach it easily with my thumb.
+1. I have my light at 3 o'clock with the pressure switch for the light at 12 o'clock. Very easy to get to while using the AFG.
Pat
I think having a light in the 12 o'clock position would be ideal. If I were to run an AFG on my carbines, I would mount my x300 12 o'clock, forward of the front sight. I could easily access the light from my either shoulder.
http://i210.photobucket.com/albums/bb77/novan3/DDLightmount.jpg
What length is your barrel and your rail? Do you have a FSB or a folding BUIS?
On my 6933 I run a Midwest Industries FSB picatinny rail for the light and the AFG as far forward on the DD Omega 7.0 as I can get it. This puts the light at 11:00 and the toggle can be hit from either hand gripping the rail.
I use an X300 in a LaRue mount at 12 o'clock.
Do you get alot of shadow cast over your target with that light setup? It seems like it is mounted pretty far back.
I do not use an AFG nor do I use a VFG. My technique is very convertable to use with an AFG with slight hand adjustment.
I mount my light at the 11o'clock position. When I am firing right handed my support side thumb is pretty much already in place to activate the light. When I am shooting lefty, I extend my support side thumb over the top of the tube to hit the light.
http://i848.photobucket.com/albums/ab49/karonispj/Picture119.jpg
PJ
I'm running a TLR-1 mounted directly in front of the AFG.
After resisting for awhile I now run it at 12o'clock with enough room to wrap my thumb over the top of the rail when not using the light...
http://farm5.static.flickr.com/4020/4325521776_c83e5c0187_o.jpg
Ridge_Runner_5
02-02-10, 20:37
I was thinking of running a similar setup, Cameron, but with the front sight farther forward.
Decided not to, and to make do with my Viking Tactics mount instead:)
Well I just tried my AFG on my gun and it will not work for me either. It looks like I will have it up for sale soon :D.
I had to remove my Viking Tactics light mount and 6P to mount the AFG. I'm not sure how I could use the light and mount set up I have. I'm not going to change it just to get the AFG to work.
Looks like I'm going to buy a stubby Tango Down to replace the full size one I've been using.
Well I just tried my AFG on my gun and it will not work for me either. It looks like I will have it up for sale soon :D.
I had to remove my Viking Tactics light mount and 6P to mount the AFG. I'm not sure how I could use the light and mount set up I have. I'm not going to change it just to get the AFG to work.
Looks like I'm going to buy a stubby Tango Down to replace the full size one I've been using.
I ended up getting a Tango down stubyy and the support and balance is great. However, it looks like I'll barely have enough rail space to mount a light at 9:00 since my VFG is almost all the way forward on the rail. If there is, I need to get a REALLY short light otherwise it will be right next to the AAC muzzle break (except when I run suppressed). I may need to look at mounting a grip switch at the end of the rail at 9:00 to activate with my thumb and move the light to the rail at 3:00.
I never really considered all these issues that would arise with a SBR and shorter rail. Don't get me wrong, I'm not complaining, just looking for a logical solution.
I've tried the AFG on my SCAR with a Surefire M600 and can't make it work without a pressure switch on the top rail. I think a SF X300 mounted at 12:00 on an AR is the only way to go (comfortably) with the AFG - just my opinion. Magpul needs to incorporate a pressure pad recess in the AFG.
I agree in that using a tube light with the AFG, requires a tape switch. I don't like tape switches or wires on my guns. Since trying out my TLR-1C4 from my pistol on my AR, I have found my new carbine light. Compared to the Pentagon X3 I was using, it is WAY lighter, shorter, just about as bright, and the LED makes only two CR123's last longer than three of them in the X3! Plus, the TLR's are cheap!
So, I tried it out with the AFG, and while its not a perfect marriage on a carbine length rail, it does work. I had to locate the light far enough forward, that only about half of the rail clamp is engaged on the rail. When I get a middy, this will no longer be an issue. A middy rail, would make this perfect, in my opinion.
This is relatively the same as the X300 could be used, if that is what you have.
I found that if you locate the light on the rail, in the right spot for and aft, then it is very natural and easy to manipulate the switch with your support hand middle digit. Turning it off is a bit more complex, because you have to get in behind the rocker. But, using it momentarily, by wedging your finger under the rocker is easy also (didn't take a pic of that, though).
Here are some pics, and while hand position shown is not 100% accurate, I did the best I could, taking the pics myself one handed. Just though this might give others, some ideas....
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/jimbo45/100_2131.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v163/jimbo45/100_2128.jpg
Thanks for the pics!
Unfortunately, the position of your left thumb is exactly where the opening is on the top rail for the switchblock on my Noveske upper. My guess is that it will get a little warm after a couple of shots. This is why I decided to go with a VFG to help keep all my fingers where they won't get cooked.
However, I do have a TLR-2 on a Glock. I'll mount at on my 9:00 rail and see if it will work for my thumb to activate. If this works out, then I'll be getting a TLR-1C4 and also save a lot of $$.
Just put the AFG on my carbine yesterday. It was a bit of work to get it on the bottom rail with the Troy battle rails on the sides. I agree that the grip texture could be improved for a better purchase. I like the way it positions my support hand.
The light is an Insight M6 mounted in a Midwest Industries MCTAR-01 attached to the front sight.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o267/SATRP/IMG_0134.jpg
Just put the AFG on my carbine yesterday. It was a bit of work to get it on the bottom rail with the Troy battle rails on the sides. I agree that the grip texture could be improved for a better purchase. I like the way it positions my support hand.
The light is an Insight M6 mounted in a Midwest Industries MCTAR-01 attached to the front sight.
http://i122.photobucket.com/albums/o267/SATRP/IMG_0134.jpg
How are you activating it? With your thumb, I assume, if you are a righty? I don't think I would like that....
Yes, I can reach the toggle switch with my thumb. I will have to use it this way for a while to determine if it works for me there or needs to be moved.
I've tried the AFG on my SCAR with a Surefire M600 and can't make it work without a pressure switch on the top rail. I think a SF X300 mounted at 12:00 on an AR is the only way to go (comfortably) with the AFG - just my opinion. Magpul needs to incorporate a pressure pad recess in the AFG.
I was thinking the same thing a 12' o'clock mount would work, I have a standard front sight so it will not work for my set up. I think the AFG would work well with a mid length or fifle length system. I keep thinking I'd be better off w/o a fore grip!
UrbanRunner
02-24-10, 15:45
I decided to stick with the Surefire G2 LED in a VLTOR offset mount:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/UrbanRunner/Firearms/MagpulAFGSurefireG2LED.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/UrbanRunner/Firearms/SurefireG2LEDVLTORmount.jpg
Surefire 660 on a MI front sight mount. With my normal grip on the AFG the light is right at my left thumb, and can still be reached from the reaction side by coming across the top of the handguard.
http://i712.photobucket.com/albums/ww123/vhinch/Bushmaster003.jpg
UrbanRunner
02-24-10, 21:54
I've settled on the Surefire G-2 LED in a VLTOR offset mount:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/UrbanRunner/Firearms/MagpulAFGSurefireG2LED.jpg
westcoastfrog
02-24-10, 22:30
i pretty much copied travis' rifle at SHOT and it's worked out well so far. S and S precision scout light mount at 2 o'clock, atpial top rear of rail with surefire double pressure pad at front 12 o'clock. the light/laser combo works really well so far. still trying to get used to the AFG but so far seems legit.
SF 6P in a DCC mount...
http://www.pbase.com/kwb377/image/122028343.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/kwb377/image/122028347.jpg
http://www.pbase.com/kwb377/image/122028345.jpg
I'm experimenting with the 12:00 position on my .22. I thought I could save some cash and go for the TLR3, but it's just as tall as my M3X. Now I just have to get an X300 for my .22. I think the best light for 1200 is the X300, it definitely sits lower.
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/edmateo50/P2240906.jpg
I picked up the X300 and it sits alot lower. The MBUS front sight definitelt clears it.
http://i834.photobucket.com/albums/zz267/edmateo50/P3090906-1.jpg
I decided to stick with the Surefire G2 LED in a VLTOR offset mount:
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/UrbanRunner/Firearms/MagpulAFGSurefireG2LED.jpg
http://i31.photobucket.com/albums/c395/UrbanRunner/Firearms/SurefireG2LEDVLTORmount.jpg
I have the same setup.
SF 6R in a DCC mount...
http://www.pbase.com/kwb377/image/122028345.jpg
tell me more about this mount.
ive switched my setup. jetbeam jetIII-M in offset mount at 11 oclock all the way forward with remote switch on top rail. nice thing about the jetbeam switch is it is identical to the one surefire uses and will take surefire switches. and it also has the clicky on the tailcap as well. multi mode light 2x brighter at 1/5 the cost. jetbeam all the way. pictures when i can.
I still have no idea how to post pictures so I will describe it. I have a TLR2 mounted at the 6 o'clock. I wanted to put it at 12 o'clock but the light was higher than the front sight. All I have to do is extend my left index finger and the light activates. No unintentional light activations have occurred in this position. I also run a 12 inch rail on a 16 inch barrel so there is little shadow cast of the barrel when the light is activated.
Count Chocula
02-25-10, 10:02
Others have mentioned the tape switch at 12 o'clock, just thought I would post a few pics for ya.
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s295/reaper8154/P1010631.jpg
http://i155.photobucket.com/albums/s295/reaper8154/P1010632.jpg
I've tweaked it a bit since the pics were taken. Moved the AFG forward a little, and cut the rail down so I could push the switch farther forward. I have to change my grip just a little bit when shooting support side, but it isn't too bad. TLR1 is bright enough for my needs without being too bright, if that makes sense.:cool:
tell me more about this mount.
It's a mount one the the LF guys is making, available here (I'm not associated with the company or seller)...
Dangercloseconsulting.com
I got this mount a week or so ago and it works like a champ...lightweight and simple. I was previously using a DD offset mount with the AFG, but it mounted the light too far out from the rail to reliably/comfortably get my thumb on the button.
okay. yeah that DD offset is way out there. i think im gonna run my switch similar to the one with the tlr-1 above but im gonna use scar panels instead.
The dangercloseconsulting.com mounts are great mounts and at a very reasonable price. Danger Close has mount for 1”, G series and The E series SureFires. They also have a prototype for the scout lights. They tuck the light into the rail. nice and tight.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/gener/27Feb2009015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/gener/27Feb2009013.jpg
The more I look at this the more I think I am going to run my guns w/o any for grip!:D
I favor the 12:00 position for my lights. Here are TLR1's on my 7.5" Diplomat 6.8 SPC and 10.5" XCR.
MadDog :p
http://img535.imageshack.us/img535/568/68diplomat001.jpg
http://img19.imageshack.us/img19/9310/xcrnow002.jpg
Anyone have any experience running an AFG and TLR-1 on a Troy TRX Extreme rail?
The dangercloseconsulting.com mounts are great mounts and at a very reasonable price. Danger Close has mount for 1”, G series and The E series SureFires. They also have a prototype for the scout lights. They tuck the light into the rail. nice and tight.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/gener/27Feb2009015.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v302/gener/27Feb2009013.jpg
I am also a big fan of the dangercloseconsulting light mounts. I've got a 1" model on order right now.
http://www.dangercloseconsulting.com/index.html
got my jetbeam in today. have to wait till im home for mounted picks
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/leeindy/guns/jetbeamJETIII-Mwolightoffsetmountan.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/leeindy/guns/jetbeamJETIII-Mwolightoffsetmoun-9.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/leeindy/guns/jetbeamJETIII-Mwolightoffsetmoun-8.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/leeindy/guns/jetbeamJETIII-Mwolightoffsetmoun-7.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/leeindy/guns/jetbeamJETIII-Mwolightoffsetmoun-6.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/leeindy/guns/jetbeamJETIII-Mwolightoffsetmoun-5.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/leeindy/guns/jetbeamJETIII-Mwolightoffsetmoun-4.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/leeindy/guns/jetbeamJETIII-Mwolightoffsetmoun-3.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/leeindy/guns/jetbeamJETIII-Mwolightoffsetmoun-2.jpg
http://i269.photobucket.com/albums/jj41/leeindy/guns/jetbeamJETIII-Mwolightoffsetmoun-1.jpg
Anyone have any experience running an AFG and TLR-1 on a Troy TRX Extreme rail?
Or even just an AFG on a TRX Extreme? Is the large mounting rail supplied with the TROY TTRX Extreme/Viking rails long enough to mount an AFG?
For running an AFG/light combo on a 7inch rail like the RAS, I found it better to mount the light on the FSP. I used to use a VTAC offset on the top rail, but it was still to far back.
Surefire in Vltor mount on MI FSP rail.
http://img245.imageshack.us/img245/2437/p1030040z.jpg
http://img213.imageshack.us/img213/3231/p1030038u.jpg
http://img89.imageshack.us/img89/5234/p1030039h.jpg
http://img18.imageshack.us/img18/2286/rearangleop.jpg
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