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SMGLee
01-22-09, 17:59
I will start with AAC....

AAC's booth was busy as usual, with some of the best looking guns on the rack, the AAC booth received a lot of attention every year along with vedry brisk business for Kevin and his gang.

I will start with the new SPR/M4 suppressor, a reflexive style suppressor with a 3rd generation QD mount which instead of one starter point on the acme thread, it has five. this allow for the supporessor to align to the POI on paper. You can literally mount the suppressor on any of the five starting point and watch your POI walk a full circle back to the origianl POI. very slick, very effectgive way to provide a perfect no zero lost with and without the can....and this can also work with different loads you might be using out of the same platform.

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You can clear see the different thread starting points on the 3 prone style flash hider

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The numbers are marked on the suppressor to coorspond to each individual starting point on the flash hider. once confirm which starter point is the perfect no zero lost mount, mark the number and you are good to go. you can also mark each individual number for the different types of ammo you might be shooting out of your platform.

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One of AAC's local dealer's well used M4-2000.

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Suppressing the piston driven LWRC

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Custom 1911 by Dave Erickson of Condition One mated to an AAC Evolution 45

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Another view of the Evo-45 on HK USP

SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:02
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AAC mounted to the FN Mk46.

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thread on style can for those that want the shortest possible platform with a min. shot requirement per mission. this gun was also featured in the first MagPul Dynamics DVD shot by one of the AAC personnel.

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Suppressing the 308 with the SCAR spec'ed can.

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HK MP7 suppressed, still a very compact package.

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The always welcome photo op...Dual HK 416 in 10.5 CQB and the 14.5 M4 format, suppressed by AAC's 416 cans.

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Comparing the HK416CQB vs. the old school but still a well loved MP5.

SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:05
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Integrated 9mm AR SMG, great platform for those that can no0t afford a MP5SD.

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Barret 6.8 suppressed.

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M240 suppressed

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SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:08
Armalite at SHOT!!

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SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:11
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Finally, a forward bolt assist.

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Newly developed carry handle and bi-pod for the AR50

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SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:13
I bring you the ARMS booth. the most interesting item at ARMS this year is an adjustable throw lever in order to make sure the ARMS product will fit all the various rail deminsion on the market and ensure ARMS' future for years to come.

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The ARMS next generation SIR with the flip up front sight gas block.

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The #58MOD can only work with the standard FSB, the new ARMS flip up front sight is not compatible with this version of the SIR MOD, a fix is in the works and should be surface by this year.

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The next generation ARMs throw lever with adjustable wheel to better fit any rail size difference.

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The new thrwo lever has a small lock tab that can be adjust by the knob at the end of the lever. and by loosening the knob/tab, the rail tension adjustment wheel could be accessed to dial the throw lever to better fit the rail system.

As far as how durable this system is compare to the competition, only time will tell. but the future ARMS throw lever rest on this new evolutionary development. all ARMS levers in the future will have this feature.

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ARMS' own single/two points sling

SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:17
Gemtech

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HK 416 with Gemtech's Halo can, attach to any 5.56 STANAG flash hider

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FN P90 PDW suppressed.

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Gemtech HVT on bolt and semi auto rifles...

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Integrated 9mm SMG...

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Integrated Ruger22 and the ever popular Walther P22.

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Multi-Mount suppressor...

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FN FiveseveN suppressed.

SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:18
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The only Army ever to beat the Troy Army is the Spartans, ARMS' Spartan rail system...

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Lower section rail can be removed via two push pins located at the front of the rail.

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Instead of pushing the pin to remove the lower section of the rail, you can push the same pins in the opposite direction to relief the top section rail. this method will help some of the piston system maker to better access their top loading piston and piston rods.

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Or you can add a dual LED lighting module to this top section opening. remote switch have different source to activate individual light or all of the light or any combo.

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The LED light module, can be used as a handheld or weapon mount

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approx. 150Lumens LED light source powered by two CR123 batteries, very much in line with the Surefire Scout light at half of the price.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2203.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2189.jpg)
Mate with a new generation ARMs throw lever ring.

SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:19
Last but not least, ARMS's innovative Ring of fire...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2199.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2199.jpg)
Light modules can be installed individually, each light module is 150 lumens, if you have all six light modules install, you have well over 900 lumens available....a lot of lights.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2200.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2200.jpg)
No battery life stats were available as this is a competely new prototype.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2198.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2198.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2201.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2201.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2207.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2207.jpg)
User can individually tailor the light mount to best suit the mission perimeter.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2208.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2208.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2209.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2209.jpg)
since it is only just a SLA rapid prototype model, the battery compartment doors on this particular unit are cinched by zip tie.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2210.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2210.jpg)
User can spec'ed top three lights as White light, two lower side lights as IR and bottom light as a low power LED nav light all source can be controlled via one switch and a control pad as you seen in the above post in this image below
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2196.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2211.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2211.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2212.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2212.jpg)

SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:20
Daniel Defense has a new offering in the form of a complete M4 rifle, this rifle had some great input by Larry Vickers and the end product shows in this fit, function and specification.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1548.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1548.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1549.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1549.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1555.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1555.jpg)
Enlarged mag well flare, a very nice touch to a fine rifle.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1550.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1550.jpg)
It is based on a new rail system developed espaically for this gun, the new Daniel Defense rail has a similar installation method as the Omega rail.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1551.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1551.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1552.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1552.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1553.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1553.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1556.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1556.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1558.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1558.jpg)
This rear sight has to be about one of the best thing to come about in awhile, it is very simple, extremely functional and superbely designed. two noteable standout in this arena is LMT and LaRue, the LMT is huge, with big knob that can snag, the LaRue is slim, light wieght and beautifully made, but there is not need for a QD on a standalone rear sight, so this DD rear sight is the best of LMT and LaRue.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1559.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1559.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1560.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1560.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1562.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1562.jpg)
with a robust A1 style rear sight knob.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1563.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1563.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1564.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1564.jpg)
in the final version even the dual peep will be like thge A1 sight with the same plane apartures. I really like this rear sight.....!

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1565.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1565.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1566.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1566.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1567.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1567.jpg)
The revised SOPMOD Block 2 RAS. this has to be my favorite rail system. It has the same rail feature as the KAC MRE(my original favorite), the excellent attachment system as the lite rail, awesome machine work inside and out and a detachable lower rail section for M203, or in my civilian case, maintain and clean the barrel..little pricy, but worth every penny.

It is sad when I want to build a gun around this rail system.....Get me a Centurion Arms hammer forged barrel and their upper, mate to this rail, have Monty put it all together....hmmmm! one reason I hate coming to SHOT, I get all sorts of ideas on how to spend my $$ for the rest of the year.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1572.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1572.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1573.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1573.jpg)
Mk18 rail.......NICE!!

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1571.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1571.jpg)

SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:21
Couple of left over Daniel Defense pictures

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1569.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1569.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1570.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1570.jpg)

SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:22
EOTEch had a very interesting sight on display this year...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1891.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1891.jpg)
As much as I hated the 511/551 N cell battery version, which I voice in publically, i do find the compactness of the sight a welcome feature.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1893.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1893.jpg)
This new sight eliminate two problems, the constant recoil of the forward mounted battery and also the short and unstable life span of a Alakaline N cell battery by placing a CR123 battery side ways in a 551 style body with a revised, more robust mounting thumb screw.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1894.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1894.jpg)
Short, compact, more reliable, and offer a 500hours of battery life....AWESOME.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1895.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1895.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1897.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1897.jpg)
Mate to this awesome new sight is the a much better designed 3x magnifier which no longer look like a pineapple...G23 is the next generation EOTech magnifier...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1896.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1891.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1899.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1891.jpg)
The new Magnifier retain the excellent Samson flip to side mount but mate the actual mounting system to the newcomer American Defense quick release mount.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1898.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1898.jpg)
Instead of having a complicated adjustment system on the mount like the last generation platform, the new magifier will have windage and elevation adjustment build within the magnifier. so all the adjustment are now internal instead of exposed to the elements....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1901.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1901.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1902.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1902.jpg)
Some might want to know since the magnifier does NOT has a reticle, why do you need adjustments? this is becuase everyone's eyes are aligned differently and also some rail system to optic mount do not line up perfectly straight, so in a perfect world, your magnifer does not have to have a adjustment, but in a world that we live in, this feature is a must, especially I had problem with POI shift with EOTech mate with Aimpont magnifier but once I was able to make the adjustment with the EOTech magnifer, the POI shift went away...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1925.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1925.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1926.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1926.jpg)
The new G23 3x Magnifier with EOTech 557 with build in BDC and side mount control buttons.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1942.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1942.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1940.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1940.jpg)
Another new developement is the new battery box for the AA 552/512system, the new battery box are in line with the new 553 and 555 series. a more compact and more fluid design.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1941.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1941.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1939.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1939.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1943.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1943.jpg)
The box will better accommdate the M4 style handguard, so the larger foot print will no longer be an issue with mounting other accessories.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1936.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1936.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1937.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1937.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1938.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1938.jpg)

SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:23
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1919.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1919.jpg)
EOtech's prototype Grenade launcher sight developed and funded specifically at the request of ARDEC. This will not and can not be a commerical item, but nontheless, a very cool system.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1912.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1912.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1913.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1913.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1914.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1914.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1911.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1911.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1906.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1906.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1311.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1311.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1920.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1920.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1922.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1922.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1927.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1927.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1928.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1928.jpg)
EOTech EOLAD2 SOCOM version.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1915.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1915.jpg)
EOTech 556, basically a 557 with CR123 batteries and standard reticle.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1916.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1916.jpg)
Interesting standalone rear sight, this sight by Joesph Kiser is not a folding rear sight, but a standalone. works much like a ghost ring and offer a unclutter view of the red dot reticle, but at the same time still offer a mechanical rear sight for those that perfer an co-witness with a constant iron sight in view.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1917.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1917.jpg)
Kiser Munition BUIS www.kisermunitions.com

SMGLee
01-22-09, 18:23
L3 bought Litton and placed it under EOTech banner....Here is some of their offerings.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2306.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2306.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2307.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2307.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2309.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2309.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2310.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2310.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2311.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2311.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2312.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2312.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2313.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2313.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2314.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2314.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2315.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2315.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2318.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2318.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2316.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2306.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2317.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2306.jpg)

Impact
01-22-09, 18:56
is that a new MK18 FDE rail ? I have one dated Feb 2008 and it looks slightly different. thanks. Great pics as usual.

Impact
01-22-09, 18:58
do the 7-08 use the same gen 2 308 mags ? how many rounds can you fit ? thanks.

SHIVAN
01-22-09, 19:10
ArmaLite has added forward assists to their AR-10's!!!!!!!!!

Mark71
01-22-09, 19:31
Thanks for the pics Lee! That complete rifle looks great.

M4arc
01-22-09, 20:11
AWESOME!

tiger seven
01-22-09, 20:15
Very nice!

They will sell a bazillion of those sights... including at least one to me. :)

Thanks for the pics.

Derek

rob_s
01-22-09, 23:04
Surprised you didn't get a pic of the 7.62x39 upper on a 5.56 marked lower.

BushmasterFanBoy
01-23-09, 10:32
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1645.jpg

Is this some type of new HK magazine?
I noticed the older one on the top left, but the magazine on the bottom right looks completely different.
Anyone know?

Boss Hogg
01-23-09, 10:58
Great pics. AAC had one of the nicer booths at SHOT and it was definitely busy.

However, they and Daniel Defense both had bold white lighting on the display wall that was very difficult to look at.

The Mil/LE section was also victim to heavy traffic and poor lighting, that made it somewhat claustrophobic.

SMGLee
01-23-09, 13:44
Surprised you didn't get a pic of the 7.62x39 upper on a 5.56 marked lower.

Geez...I missed that...sigh!

SMGLee
01-23-09, 13:52
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2222.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2222.jpg)
LMT MRP with rail mounted M203 by LMT

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2223.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2223.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2224.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2224.jpg)

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2226.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2226.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2227.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2227.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2228.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2228.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2229.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2229.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2237.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2237.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2238.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2238.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2239.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2239.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2240.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2240.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2241.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2241.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2242.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2242.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2243.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2243.jpg)

SMGLee
01-23-09, 13:58
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2230.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2230.jpg)
The long awaited LMT MRP 308.....the system is based on the same deminsion as the KAC SR25.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2231.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2231.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2233.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2233.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2234.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2234.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2235.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2235.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2236.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2236.jpg)
Ambi magazine release in similar fashion as the latest KAC SR16 series.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2244.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2230.jpg)
Prorotype 308 MRP will most likely see the light of day by end of this year..

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2245.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2245.jpg)
Delivery will start with complete guns and possibily uppers later on in the product life cycle.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2246.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2246.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2247.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2247.jpg)
works with KAC SR25 magazines or the latest Magpul 308 mags....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2248.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2248.jpg)
Seriously beefy barrel assembly....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2249.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2249.jpg)

rob_s
01-23-09, 14:15
Geez...I missed that...sigh!

Yeah, I did too. Saw a 7.62x39 and a 6.8, both on 5.56 marked lowers. Didn't think to take a pic for whatever reason.

SMGLee
01-23-09, 18:38
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Magpul is the only place you can find the ACR, unlike last year's SHOT, ACR was displayed at both Bushmaster, and Magpul, but due to some unfotrseened production delay, the ACR are mostly absent.

But....The very cool Massoud was in its third prototype revision. no longer build with hand made parts, this generation of Massoud is all CNC machined and almost in its final stage....Now Magpul should just put this pupy into production instead of selling the rights to another company...
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1473.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1473.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1481.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1481.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1478.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1478.jpg)
Mostly it is a beefed up ACR with some minor changes...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1482.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1482.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1479.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1479.jpg)
Finned barrel for better cooling and also instead of a QD barrel, a castle nut style barrel nut lock down the massive barrel assembly.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1487.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1487.jpg)
308 P-Mag with the feed lip cover clip to thge floor plate acting as a buffer for dropping the mag on deck. It is a nice touch to include a option to clip the cover to the magazine.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1488.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1488.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1489.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1489.jpg)
308 P-Mag is compatible with SR25 magazine, instead of paying 100 plus for an SR25 magazine from KAC, this will be cheaper, and just as reliable.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1480.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1480.jpg)
Massoud with a smile....going long range with this precision marksmen platform.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1681.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1681.jpg)

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1514.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1514.jpg)
This prototype extended rail system is a hand made unit, the welded seams will be cleaned up and much more refined in the final production version.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1512.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1512.jpg)

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1515.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1515.jpg)

SMGLee
01-23-09, 18:46
More Magpul Massoud pictures....I guess you realize I REAL like this rifle...

PLEASE DO NOT CALL MAGPUL on Massoud's release date, no date has been set nor any production plan in place....Thanks.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1683.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1683.jpg)
The man responsible for most of the Massoud's development...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1678.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1678.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1685.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1685.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1686.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1686.jpg)
More detail photo of the extended Massoud rail....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1691.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1691.jpg)

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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1705.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1705.jpg)
Barrel nut can be removed via a M4 stock wrench mate with a torque wrench.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1703.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1703.jpg)

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The non-reciprocating charging handle are somewhat FAL like in simplicity and function.

SMGLee
01-23-09, 18:55
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Carbon Fiber wrapped match barrel.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1707.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1707.jpg)
Barrel nut

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1708.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1708.jpg)
Close up of the piston

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Gas piston and piton rod

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1713.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1713.jpg)
Trunnion, barrel interface and how they are all screwed into the receiver.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1714.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1714.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1715.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1715.jpg)
The recoil spring travels down a channel through the top of the carrier

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1716.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1716.jpg)
At the top of the carrier, the recoil spring rod is pushed through and rotated to recess into a slot cut into the carrier.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1717.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1717.jpg)
blade on the recoil spring rod recessed into the slot cut in the carrier...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1719.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1719.jpg)
Posing with the Massoud....

Personal rifles that belongs to the Magpul Dynamics boyz...
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1722.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1722.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1504.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1504.jpg)
A very well though out sling made by the Magpul Dynamics Dynamic duo...notice the loop to adjust the sling, it is sew into the buckle itself, it is easier to adjust and access than the others on the market.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1500.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1500.jpg)
You can also lock it in to use it as a single point sling...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1503.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1503.jpg)
The clamp is also lockable via the rotating wheel on the clamp.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1506.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1506.jpg)
The sling travels on a new sling plate, the sling plate are design to allow the shooter to transition from Primary to support with ease. the quick pull tab will allow the shooter to quickly release the weapon in time of emergency.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1508.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1508.jpg)

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Bolt catch release in polymer form...soon a production verion could be ready for public release....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1726.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1726.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1728.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1728.jpg)
UBR style stock for the SAW/MK46

joffe
01-23-09, 19:00
Will the Masada/ACR also have the QD barrel nixed, or is this just a design choice for the heavier rifle?

SMGLee
01-23-09, 19:09
Will the Masada/ACR also have the QD barrel nixed, or is this just a design choice for the heavier rifle?

ACR will retain the QD feature for now.. the barrel nut design was solely done for the 308 gun..

SMGLee
01-23-09, 19:12
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1729.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1729.jpg)
E-mag for those pesky rifle with tight mag well or a mag well that is too long for the original P-Mag...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1484.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1484.jpg)

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URB in OD Green

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1493.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1493.jpg)
The new Magpul butt plate.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1492.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1492.jpg)
ACE Stock with the new removeable butt plate.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1535.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1535.jpg)
Trap door open

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The battery compartment plug open

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1538.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1538.jpg)
Battery compartment exposed.

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Egro grip rubber material MIAD grip, a more grippy and softer texture than your normal MIAD grip...it feels very good in hand.

SMGLee
01-23-09, 19:22
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http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1527.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1527.jpg)
Magpul's inexpensive but well design BUIS...very slick as how it locks in place. somewhere in the 120.00 per set of front and rear sight.. should be a great seller.

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One extra pic of the ACE stock....
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1541.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1541.jpg)

SMGLee
01-23-09, 19:37
with so much too see, I missed a lot of stuff...can you believe I missed LaRue? :eek:

SMGLee
01-23-09, 19:38
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The famous IAR entry...Altohough FN, Colt and HK won the down select, this is still a very viable solution for many other forces that require a light weight quick reaction suppressive fire platform...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1946.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1946.jpg)


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LWRC in a box

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1958.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1958.jpg)
M6A3

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M6A3 revised Bolt carrier group.

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PSD

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SMGLee
01-23-09, 19:51
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Side charging handle on the Sabre.

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The LWRC T1 mount with dual QD lever....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1961.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN1961.jpg)

SMGLee
01-23-09, 20:14
Remington had some very interesting chassis system on display at SHOt, but what is really interesting is a brand new action nothing like the origianl 700 series with a quick change barrel feature....unable to snap picture of it, but it was locked away in the back room.....

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SMGLee
01-23-09, 20:18
Surgeon at SHOT

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2391.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2391.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2394.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2394.jpg)


http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2392.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2392.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2395.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2395.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2393.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2393.jpg)

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Soulrack223
01-23-09, 21:10
Any indication when the MBUS and Duo Stock would be available? Thank you for posting all of these pics.

Impact
01-23-09, 21:12
good stuff

TehLlama
01-23-09, 22:40
My wallet is already cringing at the eventuality of an FDE hybrid rail. Stack that on the FDE MK18 rail... I'm getting: I'll be broke by summer.

rob_s
01-24-09, 08:20
I'm anxious to get one of those sights, and to see the retail price. If they can do those in the $60 range it would be fantastic.

bushmasterar15
01-24-09, 08:59
I would also like to try out the new sight.

BSHNT2015
01-24-09, 11:24
I hope they will offer this line ASAP, as always good pics.

irishhitman
01-24-09, 12:55
I hate to say it, but MAGPUL products give me wood! I have used the M-16 series weapons system in combat, training, and daily work for nearly 23 years. They have the most innovative items out there.

irishhitman
01-24-09, 13:02
Awesome pics. Love the silenced saw!!!!!!!

Iraqgunz
01-24-09, 13:12
A Ma deuce with a suppressor. That is fan****ingtatstic. Would love to shoot that thing.

Robb Jensen
01-24-09, 13:15
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN1645.jpg

Is this some type of new HK magazine?
I noticed the older one on the top left, but the magazine on the bottom right looks completely different.
Anyone know?

Looks like a FN FNC or SCAR-L mag to me.

Iraqgunz
01-24-09, 17:24
MAGPUL,

If you are listening. Please build up some Massoud rifles and get them in the hands of competent personnel for a real T&E. Please do not sell the rights off to another company. Try and enter into a real partnership or find a way to build them yourselves. Thank you and keep up the good work.

mvician
01-24-09, 19:23
Great pics of great products.......I can't wait. :D

imua
01-24-09, 19:25
Nice, I wonder when the sling, sling mount and sights will be avail. :confused:

imua
01-24-09, 19:27
I wonder when that is going to be avail.

one
01-25-09, 02:24
Do we have a projected release date when the single CR123 battery Eotech will be available?

And a round about price estimation for it?

Caeser25
01-25-09, 10:21
keep up the good work

Curry
01-25-09, 14:44
I really like that sling design. I hope we see it on the market soon.

96GTS
01-25-09, 16:34
Here's a vid showing some of those products in action...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y5nOt2pSySY&eurl=http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/showthread.php?t=145732&highlight=magpul+shot

Kchen986
01-25-09, 18:15
God that MRE color is sexy.

Moose-Knuckle
01-25-09, 21:01
Any details on their new VFG...I see the pics of it attached to the carbine? I haven't seen anything on the DD site either.

Moose-Knuckle
01-25-09, 21:20
MASSOUD....what a cock tease! :eek:

From those who can't attend SHOT many thanks SMGLee for the detailed pics! ;)

Sigmax
01-25-09, 21:35
That 12" Sabr is calling for a suppressor...between that and the PSD, and the A3 I am going to be one broke sob.

gunner757
01-25-09, 21:41
I think the PSD is definitely going on my plan to buy soon list!!

KUTF
01-26-09, 02:33
Did you talk to the Surgeon or Ashbury International Group guys about the ASW338LM-PSR built on the SABER-FORSST stock system?

I spoke with Ashbury in mid-2008 and they were not planning on offering the stock system in .308. Any change to that?

03humpalot
01-26-09, 07:03
I have been waiting for a realiable AR pattern 7.62 gas gun for a long ****ing time,
Not thrilled that the SABR is not compatible with Armalite or DPMS lowers but can live with it if this thing does indeed run. Imagine i will find out whenever they start shipping:cool:

GlockWRX
01-27-09, 00:42
I'm looking at the pics of the SABR. Is that mag release ambidextrous?

Also, does it look so....gold in real life?

SMGLee
01-27-09, 02:33
Yes it is ambi on the green 308 gun with the Micro T1.

Josh-L
01-27-09, 09:45
Did you talk to the Surgeon or Ashbury International Group guys about the ASW338LM-PSR built on the SABER-FORSST stock system?

I spoke with Ashbury in mid-2008 and they were not planning on offering the stock system in .308. Any change to that?


Last time I was in the shop (Surgeon), Preston had three of the stocks and I could have sworn one was in .308 and the other two were .338's. That could be wrong though cause I was in shock just looking at the stocks and I know the one he handed me to check out was a .338 but the other one in the rack looked smaller I thought.

GlockWRX
01-27-09, 12:51
Yes it is ambi on the green 308 gun with the Micro T1.

Do you know if that will make it into production?

300LW
01-27-09, 20:24
Do you know if that will make it into production?


Yes. The bolt catch will also be ambidextrous on production guns.

GlockWRX
01-27-09, 20:42
Awesome. As a lefty, the ambi bolt catch doesn't do me any good, but the ambi mag release is a nice touch. Can it also take a standard ambi safety?

300LW
01-27-09, 21:09
Sorry, I don't have the answer to that one. Try asking on the LWRC forum.

MarineSniper8541
01-28-09, 10:15
Why is LWRC still putting up the facade that they actually produce and sell FDE anodized recievers? Until they actually start selling the things, how about they stop advertising with them? Talk about bait and switch!

Kchen986
01-28-09, 10:30
I tried calling them to place an MRE/Coyote M6A2 order, but they told me they'd call me back.
Then I sent an email, and they told me they weren't taking orders.

Then I contacted a LWRC dealer for a MRE/Coyote M6A3, and they told me what I wanted wasn't released yet.

Kinda hard to buy something when everyone's not willing to sell it to you, lol.

MarineSniper8541
01-28-09, 10:51
That first pic is a HALO not a G5 on the 416.

300LW
01-28-09, 11:47
Can it also take a standard ambi safety?

Got an answer--Yes.

GlockWRX
01-28-09, 12:12
Got an answer--Yes.

Thanks for running that to ground for me. I appreciate it.

SMGLee
01-28-09, 19:41
Do we have a projected release date when the single CR123 battery Eotech will be available?

And a round about price estimation for it?

No release date as of the SHOT on the 511/CR123, the price should be pretty close to the 551/511 range.

the 511/551 model line will seize once this unit comes on line.

Sttrongbow
01-29-09, 08:51
No release date as of the SHOT on the 511/CR123, the price should be pretty close to the 551/511 range.

the 511/551 model line will seize once this unit comes on line.

Are they thinking this will solve the HWS's reliability problems? I prefer the HWS to the aimpoint, but the reliability is an issue.

I wish that version had the throw-levers and the side mounted controls. Maybe they'll have a version like that.

Impact
01-29-09, 11:59
cool stuff

SMGLee
01-29-09, 12:38
Are they thinking this will solve the HWS's reliability problems? I prefer the HWS to the aimpoint, but the reliability is an issue.

At least resolve all the problems and bad press they been getting in regards to the N cell battery powered 511/551 series. this is also why the 551/511 series will be discontinued.

the unit is called XPS

XPS2 non-NV compatible
XPS3 NV compatible

It will be offered in standard reticle, 1MOA or a two reticle ballistic reticle.

Should be out by March.



I wish that version had the throw-levers and the side mounted controls. Maybe they'll have a version like that.

possible

CarlosDJackal
01-29-09, 13:14
Gotta hand it to the MagPul guys. They can really come up with some interesting and innovative products. I just wish they are released in a more timely manner (although I understand why that is not always possible).

Cameron
01-29-09, 17:49
Magpul makes awesome gear and, by the look of them, awesome rifles too, but I just can't fathom why they would make a rifle with a pistol grip that you can't change or modify when they are famous for their changeable grips?!?!?!?

The choice of 2009-10 will be whether I buy a Masada and Massoud, or a SCAR Light and Heavy. :D

jsebens
01-29-09, 20:47
Why would you change the grip? It already comes with a Magpul one. :D

AirmanAtwood
01-29-09, 23:06
Magpul makes awesome gear and, by the look of them, awesome rifles too, but I just can't fathom why they would make a rifle with a pistol grip that you can't change or modify when they are famous for their changeable grips?!?!?!?

Because there are ppl like me who instead of paying 40 bucks for a MIAD and using the same sizes that a MOE is, we can pay 20 and be completely happy

torrpd
01-30-09, 01:34
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2230.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2230.jpg)
The long awaited LMT MRP 308.....the system is based on the same deminsion as the KAC SR25.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2231.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2231.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2233.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2233.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2234.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2234.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2235.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2235.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2236.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2236.jpg)
Ambi magazine release in similar fashion as the latest KAC SR16 series.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2244.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2230.jpg)
Prorotype 308 MRP will most likely see the light of day by end of this year..

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2245.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2245.jpg)
Delivery will start with complete guns and possibily uppers later on in the product life cycle.

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2246.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2246.jpg)

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2247.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2247.jpg)
works with KAC SR25 magazines or the latest Magpul 308 mags....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2248.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2248.jpg)
Seriously beefy barrel assembly....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2249.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2249.jpg)

Nice rifles

usmc2pd
01-30-09, 13:30
Excellent Pictures! I'm very curious about the SOPMOD Block 2 RAS. I have an Omega Rail on my 14.5" with perm. f/s and love it, but would like the extra real estate provided by the SOPMOD Block 2 RAS. Is it available for purchase anywhere? I don't see it on the DD website.

I've considered going with a AR15 Lite Rail 12.0 FSP for the same effect, but it looks like a one piece (if I'm not mistaken) and I'm not sure it would attach with the perm. f/s.

Thanks

Robb Jensen
01-30-09, 13:33
I'm anxious to get one of those sights, and to see the retail price. If they can do those in the $60 range it would be fantastic.

IIRC they said it would be $79 retail.

SMGLee
01-30-09, 14:23
Excellent Pictures! I'm very curious about the SOPMOD Block 2 RAS. I have an Omega Rail on my 14.5" with perm. f/s and love it, but would like the extra real estate provided by the SOPMOD Block 2 RAS. Is it available for purchase anywhere? I don't see it on the DD website.

I've considered going with a AR15 Lite Rail 12.0 FSP for the same effect, but it looks like a one piece (if I'm not mistaken) and I'm not sure it would attach with the perm. f/s.

Thanks

I have been looking for the same rail, I talked to Paul at Bravo Company and he would order a couple for me and whom ever may require one.

It will be pretty expensive..


I have a Colt M4 barrel with a Centurion upper waiting on this RAS2 rail.....:)

usmc2pd
01-30-09, 14:29
I have been looking for the same rail, I talked to Paul at Bravo Company and he would order a couple for me and whom ever may require one.

It will be pretty expensive..


I have a Colt M4 barrel with a Centurion upper waiting on this RAS2 rail.....:)

I guess I need to know what your definition of expensive is. Are we talking a car payment - like a used Chevy Aveo or Corvette?:D

SMGLee
01-30-09, 14:34
I guess I need to know what your definition of expensive is. Are we talking a car payment - like a used Chevy Aveo or Corvette?:D

Probably a good Caddy CTS payment...:D its supposed to be in the 400 dollars range...:eek:

SMGLee
01-30-09, 14:41
That first pic is a HALO not a G5 on the 416.

Yes, you are right! correction made.

usmc2pd
01-30-09, 16:17
Thanks for the info, I can probably swing something in the low $400. I love my Omega rail, so I'm sure it's worth every cent. I guess if I were to sell the Omega the hit the wallet wouldn't be too extreme.

Please let me know when these are available and ordering info.

Thanks again,

Bill

Moose-Knuckle
01-30-09, 17:27
Magpul makes awesome gear and, by the look of them, awesome rifles too, but I just can't fathom why they would make a rifle with a pistol grip that you can't change or modify when they are famous for their changeable grips?!?!?!?

I couldn't agree more...

The ADAPTIVE Combat Rifle is all about function and modularity. Kinda funny you can swap barrels, uppers, stocks, etc and not a pistol grip. The standard MOE size is a bit small for my meat hooks but the MIAD with the fattest backstrap fits me better...

DrDrake
01-30-09, 19:09
Thanks SMGLee.

Quick correction, We don't make the Duo stock, that is the ACS.

Also the price on the MBUS will be $100 for a set, $60 for the rear and $40 for the front.

SMGLee
01-30-09, 20:28
Thanks SMGLee.

Also the price on the MBUS will be $100 for a set, $60 for the rear and $40 for the front.

You will knock the BUIS market out of ball park with this pricing...EXCELLENT!!


Correction made on the stock....

Cameron
01-30-09, 21:16
I couldn't agree more...

The ADAPTIVE Combat Rifle is all about function and modularity. Kinda funny you can swap barrels, uppers, stocks, etc and not a pistol grip. The standard MOE size is a bit small for my meat hooks but the MIAD with the fattest backstrap fits me better...

Good to know I am not the only one!

Cameron

Abraxas
01-30-09, 21:22
I want an Massoud so dammed bad it is sad really. Great pics by the way

Abraxas
01-30-09, 21:27
MAGPUL,

If you are listening. Please build up some Massoud rifles and get them in the hands of competent personnel for a real T&E. Please do not sell the rights off to another company. Try and enter into a real partnership or find a way to build them yourselves. Thank you and keep up the good work.

I second this

Saginaw79
01-31-09, 00:02
I wanted a Masada SO bad too...I just dont think its gonna happen...:(


BTW the MOE Pistol Grip is good kit. I just got mine for a build and LOVE it, IMO the fit is better than a MIAD

FPembleton
01-31-09, 01:30
BTW the MOE Pistol Grip is good kit. I just got mine for a build and LOVE it, IMO the fit is better than a MIAD

How do you figure that it fits better than the MIAD? I have both and I thought it was pretty much like the MIAD with medium straps, just a single piece construction.

Spart
01-31-09, 03:00
I really like that sling design. I hope we see it on the market soon.

I like it as well, its a variation on the Urban E.RT. hybrid slings that I use on my long guns.

I like that end plate sling adapter even more....

recon
01-31-09, 23:57
Also the price on the MBUS will be $100 for a set, $60 for the rear and $40 for the front.


Now this I can afford! Thanks!

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcYsl1XrsNc&feature=related

El Mac
02-01-09, 08:36
I like it as well, its a variation on the Urban E.RT. hybrid slings that I use on my long guns.

I like that end plate sling adapter even more....

Anyone have any idea if the new end plate sling adapter will work with a UBR?

Robb Jensen
02-01-09, 08:45
Anyone have any idea if the new end plate sling adapter will work with a UBR?

It won't unless they make one that works with a rifle style stock.
The castle nut is what holds the Magpul sling plate on and the UBR doesn't use a castle nut.

El Mac
02-01-09, 09:17
It won't unless they make one that works with a rifle style stock.
The castle nut is what holds the Magpul sling plate on and the UBR doesn't use a castle nut.

That blows.

thedog
02-02-09, 01:15
I came, -I saw- nevermind. I came. And it was good.

D.

thedog
02-02-09, 02:02
Great pics and comments!! Awesome job. Thanks for sharing!!!

Jealous Dog ------> DOG!!

Magsz
02-02-09, 12:59
Going to have to second the OP.

Thanks for all of the pictures!

PPGMD
02-02-09, 17:38
Did L3 give any reason why the grenade launcher site won't be a commercial item? Because it's not like M203s are illegal to own.

SMGLee
02-02-09, 19:20
Did L3 give any reason why the grenade launcher site won't be a commercial item? Because it's not like M203s are illegal to own.

That project was funded by ARDEC, so the big green machine actually own the rights to that sight.

SMGLee
02-02-09, 19:22
My pleasure to be able to bring those pictures to you.

hopefully we can do that again in 2010...:)

baffle Stack
02-02-09, 23:33
Tactical forums would not be the same without your pictures.

THANK YOU!:)

Bolt_Overide
02-03-09, 08:13
gotta say thanks as well, I always look forward to your pic reports after shot when I dont get to go myself. I appreciate all the work you put in for the rest of us slobs.

UDT
02-03-09, 10:28
Thanks, for sharing and for the great pics.

Mac5.56
02-03-09, 22:24
Thanks SMGLee.

Quick correction, We don't make the Duo stock, that is the ACS.

Also the price on the MBUS will be $100 for a set, $60 for the rear and $40 for the front.

I've heard mention regarding the MBUS that the front site will melt if mounted on a gas block rail system.

I am a total newbie to the AR platform, and so please pardon my ignorance. I understand the gas block gets really hot, but I figured with that this would be taken into consideration when choosing the polymer for the front site.

I have been looking forward to purchasing the MBUS for some time, but will be mounting the front on a railed gas block, can it take the heat?

AirmanAtwood
02-03-09, 22:31
I've heard mention regarding the MBUS that the front site will melt if mounted on a gas block rail system.

I am a total newbie to the AR platform, and so please pardon my ignorance. I understand the gas block gets really hot, but I figured with that this would be taken into consideration when choosing the polymer for the front site.

I have been looking forward to purchasing the MBUS for some time, but will be mounting the front on a railed gas block, can it take the heat?

From what i'v seen the MBUS will not be able to be mounted to the gas block as it is designed to be mounted to the handguard. The front sight will not be high enough to be in line with the rear sight.

jsebens
02-03-09, 22:32
Anyone have any idea if the new end plate sling adapter will work with a UBR?

I've got a right-now solution for you, bud. Put a sling swivel cup on either side of the tube just behind the receiver (pre-production models already have this, production models will require either another cup or moving the one from the rear of the stock). Put 2 sling swivels in. Tie them together with 550 cord. Clip into the 550 cord. Enjoy.

Mac5.56
02-03-09, 22:40
From what i'v seen the MBUS will not be able to be mounted to the gas block as it is designed to be mounted to the handguard. The front sight will not be high enough to be in line with the rear sight.

Would I be able to by the rear sight and then mount a different front sight MidWest, or Troy perhaps? I realize these may be ignorant questions, but I haven't found a gun smith where I am that can answer any of them.

Thanks.

jmart
02-03-09, 23:27
YHM is coming out with a gas block-mounted riser that allows usage of rail-mounted front sights on their gas block riser base. But it kind of defeats the economics of the MBUIS to begin with since this riser block is $30-40 IIRC.

NeverForget
02-04-09, 01:24
Thanks for all the pictures and for sharing all the information. Your effort and time is greatly appreciated ;)

SuicideHz
02-07-09, 22:57
Lee- Can you post pictures of the destroyed SF can?

GlockWRX
02-08-09, 15:38
I keep hearing about the Gem-Tech Sandstorm, but haven't seen a description or pictures of it. SMGLee, did you see it by chance?

HAMMERDROP
02-08-09, 23:35
For all your pics as well, but this year I am not on TOS looking at them and thats very cool. :cool:

Michael

BTW what is that copper colored optic ...bottom photo A.R.M.S thread ...ring of fire was my fave

SMGLee
02-09-09, 13:20
Per your request.....This was not publically displayed at the AAC booth, it was only brought out at all the AAC vs. SF questions I pointed at AAC.


Well, this is supposed to be the SF can that AAC was able to cause failure by shooting it in continous full auto fire using 30 rounds magazines out of a HK416, the failure happen in the neighborhood of about 600 rounds...

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2058.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2059.jpg

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2062.jpg

FJB
02-09-09, 23:29
Those who have been to SHOT Show or NRA Convention may have met Aimpoint, Inc's lovely ProStaff lady Angela Jennings. She is not only beautiful, but intelligent. She is a shooter and knows Aimpoint sights. It is always fun to watch people come to the booth thinking she is just a typical "booth babe" only to walk away drooling after she engages them in conversation about Aimpoint sights and shooting.

Anyway, please do her a favor and help her win a free vacation.

She is contestant #1.

S/F

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Sttrongbow
02-11-09, 20:48
Looks like the new XPS sights are now available from quite a few vendors.

Edit: My mistake. Apparently they are not available until May.

RD62
02-11-09, 21:39
Other than greater compatability with M4 handguards do the new 512/552 battery boxes have any further benefit, and if so will they be available as an upgrade for existing 512/552 sights?


Thanks!


-RD62

Marcus L.
02-12-09, 13:47
I like the looks of that prototype with the single CR123 battery. I've always liked the holo display on EoTechs, and I used CR123 batteries for my duty light, and my rail lights. So, it only makes sense to keep everything standardized. Hopefully its ETA will be early-mid summer.

SMGLee
02-12-09, 14:03
I like the looks of that prototype with the single CR123 battery. I've always liked the holo display on EoTechs, and I used CR123 batteries for my duty light, and my rail lights. So, it only makes sense to keep everything standardized. Hopefully its ETA will be early-mid summer.

Estimated to be around mid March release.

Dave L.
02-13-09, 14:01
Did Magpul happen to mention what the hold up is with the ACR? Did bushmaster drop the ball? Seems odd that BM wouldn't have it at their booth.

Magsz
02-13-09, 14:27
Dave,

There is information here on these boards about what is going on but long story short BM said that they are making sure the rifle is up to snuff before it is going to be built.

They also said that if it was going to go in for the Military Trials they wanted to make sure its as good as it can be.

Ive commented on this in another thread and i will say it again.

Either way we win.

If the Army accepts the ACR as the next infantry combat rifle our troops get what is arguably a better rifle. (The testing should hopefully prove that)

If the Army does NOT accept this rifle as its next major small arm i would imagine bushmaster would have quite a few rifles on hand from testing and ramping up production to meet the Army's requirements. In that case, pending a ban we will probably see these rifles.

Until then, all we can do is wait.

Dave L.
02-13-09, 15:00
Thanks Magsz,

I try to keep up with the internet intel, I just wasn't sure if I had missed something. You would have thought BM would have had it at SHOT- maybe they just didn't want every question to be "when are we gonna get it".

Dave L.
02-14-09, 15:48
Did you happen to get the details on that ammo pouch connected to the stock on that AI?
Me need.

QuietShootr
02-14-09, 16:04
I keep hearing about the Gem-Tech Sandstorm, but haven't seen a description or pictures of it. SMGLee, did you see it by chance?

I saw and handled it but didn't get a pic. It's on my must-have list for 2009. Imagine an HVT, only it seems like a third of the weight. If they'd do a titanium HALO I'd be on that like an Ethiopian on a chicken.

gaijinsamurai
02-15-09, 20:20
Agreed...Thanks, SMGLee! You are THE MAN, both here (where I'm a noobee), and "the other site".

SMGLee
02-16-09, 18:40
BTW what is that copper colored optic ...bottom photo A.R.M.S thread ...ring of fire was my fave

Elcan Spectre DR...

khc3
02-20-09, 01:16
http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2248.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2248.jpg)
Seriously beefy barrel assembly....

http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/websize/DSCN2249.jpg (http://photos.imageevent.com/smglee/ss09/huge/DSCN2249.jpg)

Are those 18" and 16" barrels, or 16" and 12"?

mike240
02-21-09, 15:02
Does anyone have info on the "new" two dot A65 reticle that is offered in the XPS series sight (single CR123 batt)? I am thinking the second one is lower than center but curious what amount of moa drop this equates to. I cannot info other than what is on Eotech site but no photo.

Are there plans by ADM or LaRue to make a very short riser to bring this up to lower third cowitness?(I know there are sometimes some "insiders" here that know these things)

Thanks

nickdrak
02-22-09, 00:51
Are there plans by ADM or LaRue to make a very short riser to bring this up to lower third cowitness?(I know there are sometimes some "insiders" here that know these things)

Thanks

Not quite sure I understand what you are asking, but if you are asking what I think you are, LaRue has had their Eotech (LT-110) riser mount out for years, that will also work with the new XPS Eotech, as it appears to have the same mounting platform as the current 512/552 series Eotech.

mike240
02-22-09, 13:28
Yes, I have one but meant one that was short front to rear, no longer than the lenght of the sight itself. Have no need to add a 14 or other item to it or behind it other than a future Magpul MBUS

BigDozer66
02-23-09, 20:58
I see a couple things that I could use.;)
BigDozer66

KevinB
02-24-09, 12:54
If the Army does NOT accept this rifle as its next major small arm i would imagine bushmaster would have quite a few rifles on hand from testing and ramping up production to meet the Army's requirements. In that case, pending a ban we will probably see these rifles.


As much as I want see the new rifle - I dont see the above being likely, as those guns will be select fire and that really pesky 86 Machine gun ban throws that idea to the trash - unless they do a whole new lower for civilian sale - which will not work if there is a ban.

I would hold out for a civilian release whenever the bugs are out of the gun.

Magsz
02-24-09, 13:04
Kevin,

Correct me if im wrong but isnt the upper on this particular firearm the serialized part?

I may be TOTALLY off here i just could have sworn i remembered hearing that somewhere.

KevinB
02-24-09, 14:11
You may be right (admittedly I dont have much hands on with the Massada/ACR) - so that would make the upper the MG - I guess screwed either way on that issue.

Derek_Connor
02-24-09, 15:33
fwiw the upper is the firearm..

Magsz
02-24-09, 15:47
Kevin and Derek.

Quick question.

If the upper is the serialized part why would it be marked as a machine gun when the fire control group determines its ability to be select fire?

Sorry, i know this delves into the realm of NFA and im sure the answer is there but since this applies to the ACR i figured i would ask.

Bcm3087
03-15-09, 15:10
I don't post that often, but this is worth it...

THANK YOU!

Work would not let me go this year, so your pics are the next best thing to being there. Thanks for the valuable work you do to document the newest/greatest guns and gear!

-Bryan

snakedoctor
03-23-09, 08:52
hey SMGlee,

do you have anymore pictures of the 16" LMT Piston rifle that you can post?

EzGoingKev
03-23-09, 09:56
Is that some kind of additional magnifier installed on the Elcan?

SMGLee
03-23-09, 13:11
no, its the new 1.5-6x version.

BiggLee71
03-23-09, 21:33
lokks like back to the drawing board for sf.couldn't imagine being out,in an unfriendly place,far away and having that type of failure.

johnclark075
03-23-09, 22:32
Haha, planning on shooting 600 rounds continuously on full auto? :D

SuicideHz
03-24-09, 13:50
You will eventually learn things are not as they seem regarding that can and what you've been told or led to believe. I can tell you with 100% confidence that the person involved in the destruction of that can is a liar. He will regret the day he thought it would be funny to share this cut open can with the world.

Dave L.
03-25-09, 08:49
Sometimes people can be very unprofessional. No matter the details, the entire situation is childish.

SuicideHz
03-25-09, 08:53
Yeah, after one COMPLETE failure of a lawsuit (and it most certainly is ;) ) you would think they'd be careful about putting themselves at risk for another...

Littlelebowski
03-25-09, 10:21
For those of not in the know, can you guys post something regarding what the hell is going on here?

SuicideHz
03-25-09, 10:30
You will have to ask questions. I can't just throw everything I know out there blindly.

I also don't think the fellas who run this site want the "drama" even though this is quite a big deal and should have a very large impact on the industry when all is said and done.

Then again, this site promotes the spread of knowledge as long as you possess it first-hand and its not just something you read somewhere else on the internet. I guess if that policy still holds true, I'm golden.

Littlelebowski
03-25-09, 10:45
OK, gotcha. What actually happened to the can?

SHIVAN
03-25-09, 11:08
Tread very lightly here, and act like this is a professional discussion you'd have with the CEO/Owner/Chairman of the Board of your company.

Littlelebowski
03-25-09, 11:10
Tread very lightly here, and act like this is a professional discussion you'd have with the CEO/Owner/Chairman of the Board of your company.

Solid copy.

Dave L.
03-25-09, 11:33
So what was real cause of the can failure? Only 600 rounds, I thought they were supposed to last 60,000+.

I don't care about the who, when, why. I'm interested in the "how".

larry0071
03-25-09, 12:30
Tread very lightly here, and act like this is a professional discussion you'd have with the CEO/Owner/Chairman of the Board of your company.

I'm confused as to what the deal is with talking about a broken part? Shit breaks every day. I have a picture of an Anvil the me and my pal accidentally broke. You can't break an anvil... can you. We did!

So, whats the deal with the hush-hush on talking about a broken part? I'm missing something. There must be someone getting sued over this and that someone getting or doing the suing must be here?

Is it such a conspiracy that a part broke?

This is proof that anything can break! I performed a dry mag partical test using a Parker AC yoke and Magnaflux red powder.
http://i409.photobucket.com/albums/pp174/larry0071/Junk%20Repository/IMAGE_434.jpg

Littlelebowski
03-25-09, 12:35
I'm confused as to what the deal is with talking about a broken part? Shit breaks every day. I have a picture of an Anvil the me and my pal accidentally broke. You can't break an anvil... can you. We did!

So, whats the deal with the hush-hush on talking about a broken part? I'm missing something. There must be someone getting sued over this and that someone getting or doing the suing must be here?

Is it such a conspiracy that a part broke?

It's pretty obvious that there's drama going on here between two competing companies in a highly competitive market. Sit back and let the facts come in, this site is good about that.

Derek_Connor
03-25-09, 12:37
Please state, to the best of your knowledge, the following variables of the situation:


1.) Who tested the suppressor?

2.) When was this suppressor tested?

3.) What is his/her relationship to the industry?

4.) What firearm was this supppressor used on?

5.) What length barrel was this suppressor mounted on it?

6.) What ammo was used?

7.) Exactly how many rounds were fired?

8.) Exactly how many minutes were these rounds fired in?

9.) Was this firing session videotaped?

10.) If it wasn't, why not?

11.) Was the suppressor brand new out of the box when tested?

12.) Were there similar tests conducted on OTHER companies suppressors that same day this one was tested?

13.) Do we know what failed first (blast baffle, end cap, etc?)

14.) Who cut the can to show the internals?



I think if we knew these above, alot more light would be shed on the topic for everyone who is curious, including myself.

SHIVAN
03-25-09, 13:10
I'm confused as to what the deal is with talking about a broken part? Shit breaks every day. I have a picture of an Anvil the me and my pal accidentally broke. You can't break an anvil... can you. We did!

So, whats the deal with the hush-hush on talking about a broken part? I'm missing something. There must be someone getting sued over this and that someone getting or doing the suing must be here?

Is it such a conspiracy that a part broke?

This is proof that anything can break! I performed a dry mag partical test using a Parker AC yoke and Magnaflux red powder.

If you don't know, then you don't know. The people that the message was intended for will get the message, and if they don't, then they will be dealt with according to our rules, and the directive above.

ZDL
03-25-09, 17:43
You could tell drama was present at shot this year. It wasn't exclusive to these 2 companies though. CT and Lasermax had their own thing going from what I could glean. I stayed clear for my part.

Is it a design infringement issue or a libel issue between SF and AAC?

Cameron
03-25-09, 18:31
Stand back everybody the geeks and engineers at SF and AAC are throwing mechanical pencils at each other! :rolleyes:

sinister
03-25-09, 18:52
Tests like this make Baby Jesus cry.

Both the M16 and M4 are not rated for torture like that, let alone putting a can on the weapon (publicly documented and open-source):

http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA317929&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf

QuietShootr
03-25-09, 19:20
What kind of Jack-Assery is Going on Here, and Why?



Because someone badly needs a cunt-punch.

Littlelebowski
03-25-09, 19:28
Can we just get to the heart of the matter?

larry0071
03-25-09, 19:32
Really.... its like listening to my 13 year old on the phone arguing with some little girl. Waa waa... so someone rapid fired a hunk of steel into junk. It's not the end of the world, its another broken part in the world. Join the 4.8 trillion other broken things on the planet.... like the one broken thing we call Obama.

Derek_Connor
03-25-09, 20:06
Can we just get to the heart of the matter?

Agreed, some of us are genuinely interested in the facts. Not who needs a "cunt punch" or 4.8billion things that break..

SHIVAN
03-25-09, 20:08
The facts should certainly be presented. I encourage SuicideHz to post what he knows.

I also encourage everyone, even those not currently participating in this thread to act like adults, and not donkeys behind the security of a keyboard.

BTW, things like "Obama being broken" and "cunt-punching" should be left for other threads, and maybe even on other forums entirely. :D

SuicideHz
03-26-09, 01:22
Well most of this is common knowledge at this point. There are some things I've told other members in confidence that I won't be posting here just yet.

Some of this may be obvious to some but others don't know it obviously...

Surefire sued AAC

The impetus was an AAC placed in several periodicals as well as showing the pictures on every web forum they are part of including this one featuring a cutaway of a fresh can that they produce next to a cutaway of a SF can that had obviously been very abused.

They were supposedly trying to advertise their pretty welds but definitely made it a point to illustrate this with a fresh clean AAC can and a heavily abused SF can. The reason for this, well, it couldn't have been too innocent.

AAC showed a patented portion of the SF can in the ad and neglected to show the same exact part in their ad, possibly due in part to the fact that their part looked exactly like SF's patented part.

Some people say this was no big deal as AAC has never hid this part in the past, but the point is, they DID in the advertisement they were going to publish.

AAC took this can to the SHOT Show with them and allowed people to take pictures of it. People they knew would further spread the pictures around the internet. This time, it can't be argued they were trying to show the superiority of their welds.

I wanted to see these pictures myself so asked that they be shown here. I wanted to see if the can looked just like the one in the ad at various angles.

I thought it was peculiar that Silvers had his can cut open on a bias and the SF can cut open radial to the bore- making it appear that the AAC can's walls were thicker than they were. In SEVERAL correspondences between Robert Silvers and myself, he stated this wasn't the case, that there was no direction given to the person who did the cutting. I guess they just decided to cut the AAC can differently themselves. It's really no big deal though. I can believe what Robert Silvers told me in messages we exchanged on this site. It was just something I questioned and we discussed back and forth.

I really don't know exactly what SF is suing AAC for. I would imagine there are at least two separate reasons if not many more variations on each.

larry0071
03-26-09, 07:57
I really don't know exactly what SF is suing AAC for. I would imagine there are at least two separate reasons if not many more variations on each.

I deal with two companies that offer VERY similar, but yet SLIGHTLY different products. One is PureFlow Technologies (AirDog and Raptor Diesel Fuel Systems) and the other is his very own son.... Diesel Performance Products Inc. (FassRides.com) (FASS Fuel Systems and HPFP Fuel Pumps). They have sued each other (Father owns one, son owns the other!) 10 ways from Sunday! In reality, both make a fine system and have similar reliability....but each would love to see the other shut down and killed by the legal system. I assume these two companies an in a similar situation.... they despise each other and dream of painfull bloody death of the other. This is normal in American business, it is expected and it happens each day.

Another 10 year string of legal battles can be found with two other companies I deal with.... MPC and SteelShield. Again, normal corporate entities doing battle for whatever reasons they decide to do battle over.

I don't think these are unusual events or that big of a deal, it's just a part of doing business. You got to be tough to survive, and tougher yet if your dumb!

yakrat101
03-27-09, 14:05
It's nice to see different views of the can than the one in the ad.

ToddG
04-01-09, 16:48
Doesn't matter how you feel about the two products, one company actively pimping photos of another company's broken product -- especially without documented, verifiable details of how it broke -- is unprofessional in the extreme.

"Not on display at SHOT" is also a bunch of BS if they're letting well known industry photographers take all the pictures they want.

I have no idea who makes a better suppressor, Surefire or AAC. I certainly know which company has more integrity.

edited to add: And for the record, I have said that to my former CEO.

SuicideHz
04-01-09, 16:53
Actually, not only did they show it off, but they had an agreement with SF not to show it off and not run ads anymore or else they'd follow through with a suit. Well, they changed a word or two in the ad and published it, as well as showed the can to someone Robert admitted knowing would post his shot show pictures on the internet.

decodeddiesel
04-01-09, 17:01
I have no idea who makes a better suppressor, Surefire or AAC. I certainly know which company has more integrity.

This is what it all boils down to IMO.

Dave L.
04-09-09, 15:04
Any word on the XPS availability?

SMGLee
04-10-09, 16:12
Any word on the XPS availability?

should be near end of this month...

Dave L.
04-10-09, 16:33
should be near end of this month...

Sweet,
SWFA has started listing them for sale but I'm not in the mood to get my credit card number stolen (if you heard about that).

uspopo
04-11-09, 19:56
The XPS2 has peaked my interest but I don't think it will be replacing my Aimpoint T-1 anytime soon. My 516 maybe moving out for the XPS2....

rsilvers
04-11-09, 23:10
Now that Eotech is participating in the magnifier concept, why did they not put the XPS buttons on the side?

Is this a big deal or can you still use the buttons with a magnifier in place?

How does the XPS 0, 1, 2 differ? Their website says 'it is the number of buttons on the back' but I cannot find a photo of the back.

Dealer sites imply 0, 1, 2 is the reticle pattern and not the number of buttons.

I like how this is 1/4 lb lighter than the AA model and battery life is quoted as the same (at least when alkaline AA are used). Downside is less common batteries but as long as my flashlights need CR123 I am not sure I care much.

Boomer10
04-12-09, 14:02
How does the XPS 0, 1, 2 differ? Their website says 'it is the number of buttons on the back' but I cannot find a photo of the back.

Dealer sites imply 0, 1, 2 is the reticle pattern and not the number of buttons.


I got this from the EoTech site, "Three reticle options: 0- 65MOA circle with 1 MOA aiming dot, 1-single 1MOD aiming dot, 2-65MOA circle with two 1MOS aiming dots"

Your comment about the number of buttons on the back relates to the model number XPS2 or XPS3. Again, from the EoTech site "Available in Night Vision (XPS3) and non- Night Vision (XPS2) versions. The numbers reflect the number of the buttons on the back of the sight".

Basically there will be 6 versions available...

XPS2-0
XPS2-1
XPS2-2
XPS3-0
XPS3-1
XPS3-2

rsilvers
04-12-09, 19:13
Actually, not only did they show it off, but they had an agreement with SF not to show it off and not run ads anymore or else they'd follow through with a suit.

Did they not drop the suit.

bkb0000
04-12-09, 19:18
i'm still getting an aac can

rsilvers
04-12-09, 19:23
You will eventually learn things are not as they seem regarding that can and what you've been told or led to believe. I can tell you with 100% confidence that the person involved in the destruction of that can is a liar. He will regret the day he thought it would be funny to share this cut open can with the world.

First, it was not shot continuous full auto fire. It was 580 rounds semi auto then full auto, alternating mags. And then after 8 mags, a cool down period.

Second, what have you been led to believe that is not true? You don't give specific examples.

rsilvers
04-12-09, 19:27
Yeah, after one COMPLETE failure of a lawsuit (and it most certainly is ;) ) you would think they'd be careful about putting themselves at risk for another...

We did very well with the BE Meyers lawsuit.

rsilvers
04-12-09, 19:30
Tests like this make Baby Jesus cry.

Both the M16 and M4 are not rated for torture like that, let alone putting a can on the weapon (publicly documented and open-source):

http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA317929&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf


Again, this was not a continuous full auto test. It was the same test AAC cans are tested with.

Littlelebowski
04-12-09, 19:49
We did very well with the BE Meyers lawsuit.

I think it would behoove you NOT to comment on a lawsuit against your company when said lawsuit is taking place right now. Do not be surprised if your posts on forums come back to haunt your company. I know at least one SureFire employee on this site and he's keeping his mouth shut as he should.

rsilvers
04-12-09, 20:00
The BE Meyers lawsuit is over. They lost.

I get your point but I don't wish to have misinformation on the internet either and we have to decide what balance we want to strike.

Littlelebowski
04-12-09, 20:04
Then if you're speaking as "we," (AAC) I'd strongly advise very carefully choosing what you're going to say. Nothing negative, just the facts. Don't get into pissing matches, take the high road and let your products talk for you in the meantime.

No Bananas
04-12-09, 20:28
Again, this was not a continuous full auto test. It was the same test AAC cans are tested with.

Can you put up on you tube, here, silencertalk or whatever sight a continuous video of an AAC can going through this test? If not, why not? I'm not trying to be negative Nancy here, troublesome or start argument. As a consumer considering a can, I am interested.

Also, out of Curiosity, what was the BE Myers lawsuit over. I'm assuming it was a FH. If nobody can (or shouldn't) talk about this, then I respect that.

rsilvers
04-12-09, 22:54
They claimed the BLACKOUT violated their flash hider patent. Rather than ask us about this, they filed in federal court.

As I remember, they submitted 'evidence' in the form of photographs that claimed to show they had better flash reduction (they do not). The photographs were labeled one way, but we demanded the original digital photos and inspected the meta-data. Our investigation learned that they shot the BLACKOUT with more exposure and a different setting than they had labeled the photos. We showed them that between the altered photos and the fact that they were wrong about the patent, they had three days to drop it with prejudice. They withdrew their claim the next morning. They must have had bad advice from their lawyer or someone because they lost the ability to file again, and hence -- lost their patent protection from AAC.

rsilvers
04-12-09, 23:30
We have no video of an AAC can being tested that way. The first large-scale tests we were not allowed to video it. The tests after that we were just not set up to.

I do have this -- no outer-tube!

http://www.vimeo.com/3950617

Iraqgunz
04-13-09, 07:34
IIRC there was another issue concerning some photo(s) and allegations being thrown around about photo-shopping of a product, etc.... My question is what exactly caused this rivalry to become so nasty? Why does it seem that only one company appears to be banging the gong and not the other?

I am sure that I can speak for quite a few people when I say that the last thing anyone wants or needs is a lot of drama. I think people simply want the facts so that an intelligent and informed choice can be made when it comes selecting a product.

rsilvers
04-13-09, 08:51
I believe SureFire took notice after AAC started winning a few of the latest contracts.

rsilvers
04-13-09, 19:50
April 13, 2009

SureFire LLC denied Preliminary Injunction against AAC.


SureFire LLC had filed a lawsuit claiming false advertising, by way of the Lanham Act.

A United States District Judge denied their motion for a Preliminary Injunction. Here are some quotes:

Whether The Statements Were Deceptive – Per the above reasoning, the Court finds that SureFire has not shown a likelihood that it will succeed on this element of the claim. Because SureFire has not successfully demonstrated a likelihood that AAC's advertisement was deceptive, it is unnecessary to consider this element of the Lanham Act.

The Court again reiterates that SureFire has not made a strong showing that the advertisement contains false statements, the advertising misleads consumers, or that it will suffer injury as a result of the advertisement.

The Court finds that SureFire has not shown a robust likelihood of success...

Here is the full document:

http://www.silencertalk.com/docs/SF.PDF

Derek_Connor
04-13-09, 21:16
April 13, 2009

SureFire LLC denied Preliminary Injunction against AAC.


SureFire LLC had filed a lawsuit claiming false advertising, by way of the Lanham Act.

A United States District Judge denied their motion for a Preliminary Injunction. Here are some quotes:

Whether The Statements Were Deceptive – Per the above reasoning, the Court finds that SureFire has not shown a likelihood that it will succeed on this element of the claim. Because SureFire has not successfully demonstrated a likelihood that AAC's advertisement was deceptive, it is unnecessary to consider this element of the Lanham Act.

The Court again reiterates that SureFire has not made a strong showing that the advertisement contains false statements, the advertising misleads consumers, or that it will suffer injury as a result of the advertisement.

The Court finds that SureFire has not shown a robust likelihood of success...

Here is the full document:

http://www.silencertalk.com/docs/SF.PDF



*yawn* :rolleyes:

exactly what does this and pictures of some chick have to do with pictures of a SF failed can?

once again, your willingness to air your dirty laundry rehashes the "drama".

You defeated SF on their own injuction, congrats. Accept it like mature adults instead of flaunting it.

SHIVAN
04-13-09, 21:33
We have no video of an AAC can being tested that way. The first large-scale tests we were not allowed to video it. The tests after that we were just not set up to.

That's unfortunate. I would like to point out that it appears self-serving that many of of your main competitors' suppressors can get tested and filmed, by AAC staff or AAC interested parties, but never the AAC suppressors.

It's good propaganda, especially in the internet age, but it's very transparent.

rsilvers
04-13-09, 21:42
I see no specific pattern. There is also no video of us testing the SureFire can. And I would like to have and post a video of us testing the AAC can. The main determining factor is who did the test and if they are a photographer or not. The only time I was involved in that test of AAC cans was when photography was not allowed due to base restrictions.

SHIVAN
04-13-09, 22:16
Fair enough, you should make it a priority though as it looks like AAC is staying away from testing their cans, and yet I know I've seen them take similar or worse during a LAV class teamwork drill with several (10+) Masada mag-dumps...

Would be worthwhile to point back to X video when the question comes up.

ToddG
04-14-09, 01:45
April 13, 2009

SureFire LLC denied Preliminary Injunction against AAC.

A few points:

A preliminary injunction of the nature requested by Surefire, as pointed out by the court, is not issued lightly. A call for injunctive relief prior to the full airing of facts and arguments is much like punishing someone before finding him guilty. While such injunctions are common enough that we've all heard of them, the burden to get one is higher than the burden of winning the underlying case.
Much of the court's reasoning rested on the argument that the suppressor pictured in the advertisement couldn't be readily identified as a Surefire product.
Another major sticking point with the court was Surefire's inability to demonstrate that consumers had been convinced there was actually anything wrong with Surefire suppressors.
Now that Surefire knows where the weaknesses in its case are, it will be better able to prepare for the actual trial. That is, btw, one reason why plaintiffs try to get preliminary injunctive relief in the first place: so they know which issues the court expects them to address with more specificity and/or weightier evidence.


Some of what you quoted from the decision was taken way out of context, btw. You might want to check with your lawyer before you make further statements which are demonstrably misleading.

Of particular note, AAC is not arguing that its product is in any way better than Surefire's.

Here's a question for AAC: Are you still running the same ad? Because if you're not, then Surefire got the result the same result as if they'd won the injunction.

Hawk777th
04-14-09, 02:56
No they are running a much better ad now! Surefire needs to back off a lil competition in the markets a great thing to have it makes a better product! No need sueing each other. I think it was lame of surefire to sue if thier product is so much better prove it to us the consumer dont just make thier dumb videos with tacticool operator shooting 5 rounds through thier cans with lasers and more crap bolted on to guns than a gun porn mag. AAC has torture testing videos of thier cans on youboob.

Add can be found here!
http://andysapp.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/aac_french_fried_potato_ad.jpg

Keep it up AAC you guys make a product above the rest!

Iraqgunz
04-14-09, 03:13
Well I am fairly certain that if SureFire was your company and you felt like they were being wronged you would do the same. Would you not? I know that I would.


No they are running a much better ad now! Surefire needs to back off a lil competition in the markets a great thing to have it makes a better product! No need sueing each other. I think it was lame of surefire to sue if thier product is so much better prove it to us the consumer dont just make thier dumb videos with tacticool operator shooting 5 rounds through thier cans with lasers and more crap bolted on to guns than a gun porn mag. AAC has torture testing videos of thier cans on youboob.

Add can be found here!
http://andysapp.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/aac_french_fried_potato_ad.jpg

Keep it up AAC you guys make a product above the rest!

Littlelebowski
04-14-09, 06:46
A few points:

A preliminary injunction of the nature requested by Surefire, as pointed out by the court, is not issued lightly. A call for injunctive relief prior to the full airing of facts and arguments is much like punishing someone before finding him guilty. While such injunctions are common enough that we've all heard of them, the burden to get one is higher than the burden of winning the underlying case.
Much of the court's reasoning rested on the argument that the suppressor pictured in the advertisement couldn't be readily identified as a Surefire product.
Another major sticking point with the court was Surefire's inability to demonstrate that consumers had been convinced there was actually anything wrong with Surefire suppressors.
Now that Surefire knows where the weaknesses in its case are, it will be better able to prepare for the actual trial. That is, btw, one reason why plaintiffs try to get preliminary injunctive relief in the first place: so they know which issues the court expects them to address with more specificity and/or weightier evidence.


Some of what you quoted from the decision was taken way out of context, btw. You might want to check with your lawyer before you make further statements which are demonstrably misleading.

Of particular note, AAC is not arguing that its product is in any way better than Surefire's.

Here's a question for AAC: Are you still running the same ad? Because if you're not, then Surefire got the result the same result as if they'd won the injunction.

And someone with legal training speaks. Interesting analysis Todd, thanks.

czydj
04-14-09, 08:25
Fair enough, you should make it a priority though as it looks like AAC is staying away from testing their cans, and yet I know I've seen them take similar or worse during a LAV class teamwork drill with several (10+) Masada mag-dumps....

I'm not quite clear on what you're saying, could you please clarify? I not sure if you've seen a SF FA556 take the abuse or melt under the abuse...

SHIVAN
04-14-09, 08:31
I've seen an old AAC 416SD can take abuse on par with the "test" that seems to be killing other suppressors. Now to be truthful, a 556k can also ran the same LAV drill as above, but was done on semi-only.

All I'm saying is that the appearance from a reasonable person is that AAC is finding time to video and test other suppressors doing a VERY hard test of durability, yet they are unable to test and video their own suppressors doing it. Which appears self-serving, in the extreme.

czydj
04-14-09, 08:40
I've seen an old AAC 416SD can take abuse on par with the "test" that seems to be killing other suppressors. Now to be truthful, a 556k can also ran the same LAV drill as above, but was done on semi-only.

All I'm saying is that the appearance from a reasonable person is that AAC is finding time to video and test other suppressors doing a VERY hard test of durability, yet they are unable to test and video their own suppressors doing it. Which appears self-serving, in the extreme.


cool, thanks for the clarification...

rsilvers
04-14-09, 08:48
A few points:
Much of the court's reasoning rested on the argument that the suppressor pictured in the advertisement couldn't be readily identified as a Surefire product.

No. Page 6, line 16.

"The Court Finds that AAC's alleged statements were not literally false on their face [with or without knowing if it was SureFire] or by necessary implication [if it was known as SureFire]."

Page 7, line 15.

"However, SureFire fails to provide evidence that the advertisement's implicit messages are false."

This is independent of who the "competitive" suppressor is.

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8223/weldexamples.jpg

rsilvers
04-14-09, 08:50
All I'm saying is that the appearance from a reasonable person is that AAC is finding time to video and test other suppressors doing a VERY hard test of durability, yet they are unable to test and video their own suppressors doing it. Which appears self-serving, in the extreme.

Again, there is no video of the SureFire suppressor.

Littlelebowski
04-14-09, 09:06
Again, there is no video of the SureFire suppressor.

How about pics? How about pics/video of other brands?

decodeddiesel
04-14-09, 09:44
No they are running a much better ad now! Surefire needs to back off a lil competition in the markets a great thing to have it makes a better product! No need sueing each other. I think it was lame of surefire to sue if thier product is so much better prove it to us the consumer dont just make thier dumb videos with tacticool operator shooting 5 rounds through thier cans with lasers and more crap bolted on to guns than a gun porn mag. AAC has torture testing videos of thier cans on youboob.

Add can be found here!
http://andysapp.com/blog/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/aac_french_fried_potato_ad.jpg

Keep it up AAC you guys make a product above the rest!

:confused:

Was that English?

ToddG
04-14-09, 10:26
Much of the court's reasoning rested on the argument that the suppressor pictured in the advertisement couldn't be readily identified as a Surefire product.
No. Page 6, line 16.

"The Court Finds that AAC's alleged statements were not literally false on their face [with or without knowing if it was SureFire] or by necessary implication [if it was known as SureFire]."

That's a perfect example of you being misleading. The next two sentences of the court's decision reads, and I quote:

"As correctly stated by AAC, SureFire's assertion the the advertisement disparages SureFire's suppressors rests on the notion that the suppressor can be positively identified as SureFire's. However, because the advertisement makes no specific mention that the inferior suppressor is in fact a SureFire suppressor, the Court finds that the statements at issue are not literally false on their face." (emphasis in original)

So I say again, the crux of the decision was that SureFire failed to prove that the suppressor being shown was a SureFire suppressor.


Page 7, line 15.

"However, SureFire fails to provide evidence that the advertisement's implicit messages are false."

Again, taken out of context. What the court said is that SureFire didn't present evidence that spot welds are as good as or superior to circumferential welds. It passed absolutely no judgment suggesting that AAC's claim was true ... it simply said that SureFire hadn't presented evidence proving the claim was false. That is a huge difference.

Littlelebowski
04-14-09, 10:27
I still note the deafening silence from Surefire folks. Very smart on their part.

decodeddiesel
04-14-09, 10:33
I still note the deafening silence from Surefire folks. Very smart on their part.

Agreed. Being drawn into an internet pissing match is not something I see Surefire ever doing. Even is they are getting some schmutz flung their way, better to take the high road here.

rsilvers
04-14-09, 10:33
The quote says "SureFire fails to provide evidence that the advertisement's implicit messages are false"

..and you claim this is misleading because the real truth is that, as you say, "it simply said that SureFire hadn't presented evidence proving the claim was false. "

You nearly just repeated the quote. One would expect SureFire has to prove the claim is false in order to win. They are the ones who filed suit.

Ring
04-14-09, 10:44
Tests like this make Baby Jesus cry.

Both the M16 and M4 are not rated for torture like that, let alone putting a can on the weapon (publicly documented and open-source):

http://stinet.dtic.mil/cgi-bin/GetTRDoc?AD=ADA317929&Location=U2&doc=GetTRDoc.pdf


this is the test done by the .mil for the SCAR and the cans used on the SCAR, a gemtech that had this same test done to it compleaty fell apart

SHIVAN
04-14-09, 11:03
this is the test done by the .mil for the SCAR and the cans used on the SCAR, a gemtech that had this same test done to it compleaty fell apart

Yes, and we have no empirical/video proof that AAC's suppressors can withstand it either, do we?

So as it stands right now, all we really know is that one Gemtech can, and one Surefire can, tested by AAC personnel, have been defeated. Sample sizes of one only tell you about that ONE unit. When it is repeated, with variables reduced, or eliminated, then you can indicate a trend.

A single data point can not show a trend up or down, can it?

If AAC would like to put this issue to bed, they should post an unedited video doing this exact test with their products as well as a few more samples of the SF and Gemtech products.

ToddG
04-14-09, 11:05
One would expect SureFire has to prove the claim is false in order to win. They are the ones who filed suit.

Absolutely correct. As the plaintiff, SureFire must prove by a preponderance of the evidence ("more likely than not") that they were wronged via violation of Lanham. The burden of proof at the preliminary injunction phase is higher, which is why it's common to see preliminary injunctions fail in cases where the plaintiff is, in fact, later victorious at trial.

So again, my reading of the decision shows it hinged on two key issues: SureFire couldn't prove that the suppressor AAC used for comparison was, in fact, a SureFire suppressor.
SureFire did not present enough evidence that AAC's implicit suggestion that their welds are "worse" than AAC's welds was, in fact, false.

So the question is whether SureFire's attorneys can remedy those failings before trial. I don't know jack about suppressor technology, but from reading here and elsewhere it certainly sounds like a lot of people were able to identify the suppressor as a SureFire. The fact that AAC entered into negotiations with SureFire about the ad is certainly further dispositive.

As for the "which weld is better" part and whether comparing an unused AAC suppressor with a worn & used competitor's suppressor amounts to being misleading, again I lack the necessary understanding of the technology to say.

rob_s
04-14-09, 11:09
If AAC would like to put this issue to bed, they should post an unedited video doing this exact test with their products as well as a few more samples of the SF and Gemtech products.

Bingo.

Unlikely to ever happen, I imagine.

BushmasterFanBoy
04-14-09, 19:22
Bingo.

Unlikely to ever happen, I imagine.

Why not?
If the AAC product is superior, then they would have nothing to hide by conducting and video taping a series of tests.

Hawk777th
04-14-09, 20:24
:confused:

Was that English?

Lol sorry for the lack of punctuation I had just got of a 17hr day and was tired. That was pretty bad engrish. Guess my point was this lawsuit stuff is stupid both companies make a great product and most people are never gonna be able to break either. I own both companies products and both have had great service when I have had issues. My .02c

Ring
04-14-09, 20:34
Yes, and we have no empirical/video proof that AAC's suppressors can withstand it either, do we?

So as it stands right now, all we really know is that one Gemtech can, and one Surefire can, tested by AAC personnel, have been defeated. Sample sizes of one only tell you about that ONE unit. When it is repeated, with variables reduced, or eliminated, then you can indicate a trend.

A single data point can not show a trend up or down, can it?

If AAC would like to put this issue to bed, they should post an unedited video doing this exact test with their products as well as a few more samples of the SF and Gemtech products.


i agree, i would love to see that video as well, but if the .mil is the 1 that did the test, and the SCAR program went with the AAC, i would say that was is proof it passed

SHIVAN
04-14-09, 20:49
i agree, i would love to see that video as well, but if the .mil is the 1 that did the test, and the SCAR program went with the AAC, i would say that was is proof it passed

In some cases, tests are designed to give measurable failure. DoD and other government entities have been known to request destructive testing to show where, when and how repeatable a method of failure demonstrates itself.

I believe that the AAC SCAR testing is still covered under NDA.

Robert: Is that correct?

decodeddiesel
04-14-09, 21:25
Lol sorry for the lack of punctuation I had just got of a 17hr day and was tired. That was pretty bad engrish. Guess my point was this lawsuit stuff is stupid both companies make a great product and most people are never gonna be able to break either. I own both companies products and both have had great service when I have had issues. My .02c

Heh, ok. Very true.

rsilvers
04-15-09, 00:15
This is an endurance test, not a destructive test. The goal is to pass it.

scottryan
04-15-09, 12:18
As for the "which weld is better" part and whether comparing an unused AAC suppressor with a worn & used competitor's suppressor amounts to being misleading,


This type of advertising is used all the time in every industry.

jaco
04-16-09, 09:54
Has anyone been able to get one of these rear sights, I bought a Stag 3 and would like to add this sight. Also would like to know what you payed. Thanks

Dave L.
04-16-09, 11:49
Has anyone been able to get one of these rear sights, I bought a Stag 3 and would like to add this sight. Also would like to know what you payed. Thanks

They are not available yet alone. A few stores are ding back orders for them on websites but that's it. They seem to be in the $67-$73 range.

rsilvers
04-17-09, 20:21
http://www.iptrademarkattorney.com/2009/04/surefire-loses-preliminary-injunction-aac-advanced-armament-false-advertising.html

ToddG
04-17-09, 22:53
At least the attorneys understood that it all rested on SureFire's inability to convince the judge that the suppressor was identifiably one of theirs.


The court determined that the statements were not literally false on their face or by necessary implication because the suppressor cannot be positively identified as Surefire’s. As a result, the court also found that Surefire could not evidence actual injury because the non-comparative statements cause injury to all competitors and “none is more likely to suffer from the offending broadcasts than any other.” Thus, Surefire could not show a likelihood of success on the merits or significant hardship if the preliminary injunction was not granted.
(emphasis mine)

rsilvers
04-17-09, 23:55
The court determined that the statements were not literally false on their face or by necessary implication

"On their face" means "On their own"

Implication means "connected with."

So to rewrite this in plain English, it would translate as:

The court determined that the statements were not false. Also, even if they were literally false, they still would not be ruled as false for the purposes of this case because there was no connection to the plaintiff.

ToddG
04-18-09, 10:04
So to rewrite this in plain English, it would translate as:

The court determined that the statements were not false. Also, even if they were literally false, they still would not be ruled as false for the purposes of this case because there was no connection to the plaintiff.

You can "translate" it however you want. The decision clearly revolved around SureFire's inability to prove that the can was easily identifiable as one of their own. Even your lawyers say so in the press release.

I'm done. Spin it however you want.

QuietShootr
04-18-09, 10:31
I just bought two new cans this week...guess who DIDN'T make them?

Is somebody going to sue me now?

No Bananas
04-18-09, 11:47
I just bought two new cans this week...guess who DIDN'T make them?

General Motors?

rsilvers
04-18-09, 13:19
The decision clearly revolved around SureFire's inability to prove that the can was easily identifiable as one of their own. Even your lawyers say so in the press release.

I don't see where AAC lawyers say that in the press release:

http://www.darbylaw.com/news/xprNewsDetail.aspx?xpST=NewsDetail&news=62


Darby & Darby Wins Order Denying Preliminary Injunction in False Advertising Case
April 2009

Santa Ana, CA: A district court in Santa Ana, California denied a motion for preliminary injunction on Monday relating to allegations of false advertising concerning the sale of firearm sound suppressors (“silencers”) by Darby & Darby client Advanced Armament Corp. (“AAC”) of Norcross Georgia. Claims for false advertising were brought by SureFire, LLC of Fountain Springs, CA concerning an advertisement by AAC allegedly comparing the welds of its sound suppressors to SureFire’s. In February 2009, SureFire filed a motion for preliminary injunction seeking to halt further publication of that advertisement and claiming that the advertisement in question caused irreparable harm to its reputation. The Honorable David O. Carter, district court judge for the U.S. District Court, Central District of California denied SureFire’s motion, finding that SureFire failed to show that it was likely to prevail on the merits of its claims and that it also failed to adequately support its claims of irreparable harm. AAC was represented in this matter by Darby & Darby attorneys David Tellekson, Mark Walters, and Dianna Goldenson.

Dave L.
04-18-09, 15:18
Every time I visit this thread hoping to read something new and earth-shattering. I have lost all hope.

People still buy from Magpul and Tango down; I don't think either company lost any business over that pissing match. I doubt Surfire or AAC will lose any either.

SMGLee
04-20-09, 21:26
sorry, I did not concentrate on ammo....

AggiePhil
04-23-09, 15:32
EOTech continues to push back the release date for the XPS. Now they're saying that it should be out at the end of June. Tick tock, tick tock...

Dave L.
04-23-09, 15:59
EOTech continues to push back the release date for the XPS. Now they're saying that it should be out at the end of June. Tick tock, tick tock...

That usually means they found a problem :eek:

AggiePhil
04-23-09, 23:07
That usually means they found a problem :eek:
Nah, everything in the firearms industry comes out later than initially announced. It's just one of those things I suppose.

Dunedain
04-25-09, 00:51
I remember seeing a video where AAC tested a Gemtech G5 suppressor in an endurance test. The thing that disappointed me the most wasn't that the G5 failed the test, but that it apparently didn't have internal welds when the Gemtech rep said on camera that this suppressor had a "fully welded core". People don't like being lied to about features that a product is claimed to have when it in fact doesn't have those features.

Haven't seen any video of a Surefire test.

No Bananas
04-25-09, 01:07
I remember seeing a video where AAC tested a Gemtech G5 suppressor in an endurance test. The thing that disappointed me the most wasn't that the G5 failed the test, but that it apparently didn't have internal welds when the Gemtech rep said on camera that this suppressor had a "fully welded core". People don't like being lied to about features that a product is claimed to have when it in fact doesn't have those features.

Haven't seen any video of a Surefire test.

What dissapointed me most is that I could not find any video of ACC putting any of their cans to the same test on camera. :confused:

Here is an endurance test on a M4-1000. Please note that this was done by John Titsworth of www.silencerresearch.com and that he feels that NO silcencer can pass this test. It is pretty damn rough :eek:.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bjiDtrA3P8A

Dunedain
04-25-09, 03:36
It would definitely be interesting to see a video of AAC putting their suppressor model that competes on the same level as the G5 through the same test as the G5. :)

Cool test video. :) Is the M4-1000 considered to be the AAC equivalent model to the G5? If so, then I guess we just saw the same endurance test the G5 was subjected to and obviously the AAC silencer couldn't handle it, either. :)

One thing seems to be pretty clear, unless the silencer is built like a tank (and has the weight that goes with that), the amount of full auto and very rapid semi-auto assault rifle fire you can use is extremely limited without bad things happening. Kind of makes one think this makes them of limited use to special forces, where they might have to fire very heavily at any time while on a mission. You can't afford to have things break down on you like that in a serious fight. Better to just stick to a flash suppressor for the serious stuff. :)

Has Gemtech ever explained why the suppressor that AAC tested in that video was not built with a fully welded core as Gemtech said it was supposed to be?

rsilvers
04-25-09, 08:58
John has a different definition of 'passing then test' than I do, or the military who showed me the test does. I don't feel that he is free to redefine the test.

John only feels it passes if it is just about as quiet on the end, and still a nice suppressor you would want to own. I agree that once you do this test on a can, it will be not something you could sell as in good shape.

That being said, AAC cans have and do pass the test. I am not aware of any circumferential welded AAC can not passing and I have seen at least six plug-welded M4-2000s pass also.

rsilvers
04-25-09, 08:58
Has Gemtech ever explained why the suppressor that AAC tested in that video was not built with a fully welded core as Gemtech said it was supposed to be?

Yes, they said he mis-spoke because in the past some other Gemtech cans did have welds on the core.

Dunedain
04-25-09, 13:24
rsilvers: Ah, I see. What models of 5.56x45 silencers that AAC makes can pass this test without the silencer getting baffle strikes, spinning loose on the gun, etc.?

Are there AAC .308 models that can pass the same test on a 7.62x51 main battle rifle (only 20 rounds per mag, not 30)?

Does AAC make any extra heavy duty models, in either 5.56 or 7.62, that could pass this test and, after fully cooling down, still perform as new with no damage to the silencer (other than the silencer needing refinished on the outside to look new again)? If not, which of the AAC models comes the closest to this level?

rsilvers
04-25-09, 14:34
This is a test done on a 10 inch HK-416. Therefore, it would not be possible to test .308 models or the SPR/M4 with this test.