PDA

View Full Version : Guantanamo guard reunited with ex-inmates



perna
02-08-10, 05:31
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/magazine/8452937.stm



By Gavin Lee
BBC News

Why would a former Guantanamo Bay prison guard track down two of his former captives - two British men - and agree to fly to London to meet them?

"You look different without a cap."

"You look different without the jump suits."

With those words, an extraordinary reunion gets under way.

The last time Ruhal Ahmed met Brandon Neely, he was "behind bars, behind a cage and [Brandon] was on the other side".

Ruhal Ahmed, Brandon Neely and Shafiq Rasul
He would say, 'you ever listen to Eminem or Dr Dre' and... I thought how could it be somebody is here who's doing the same stuff that I do when I'm back home
Brandon Neely (above, centre)

Q&A: Closing Guantanamo

The location had been Camp X-Ray - the high-security detention camp run by the US in Guantanamo Bay. Mr Ahmed, originally from Tipton in the West Midlands, was among several hundred foreign terror suspects held at the centre.

Mr Neely was one of his guards.

The scene of this current exchange of pleasantries couldn't be more different from where they last met - a television studio in London. Also here is Shafiq Rasul, a fellow ex-Guantanamo prisoner, without whose Facebook page the reunion would never have happened.

The journey of reconciliation began almost a year ago in Huntsville, Texas. Mr Neely, 29, had left the US military in 2005 to become a police officer and was still struggling to come to terms with his time as a guard at Guantanamo.

He felt anger at a number of incidents of abuse he says he witnessed, and guilt over one in particular.

Highly controversial since it opened in 2002, Guantanamo prison was set up by President George Bush in the aftermath of the 9/11 attacks to house suspected "terrorists". But it has been heavily divisive and President Barack Obama has said it has "damaged [America's] national security interests and become a tremendous recruiting tool for al Qaeda".

Mr Neely recalls only the good publicity in the US media.

"The news would always try to make Guantanamo into this great place," he says, "like 'they [prisoners] were treated so great'. No it wasn't. You know here I was basically just putting innocent people in cages."

Hip-hop tastes

The prisoners arriving on planes, in goggles and jump suits, from Afghanistan were termed by then US defence secretary Donald Rumsfeld as the "worst of the worst". But after getting to know some of the English-speaking detainees, Mr Neely started to have doubts all of them were fanatical terrorists.

He recalls how when he and Mr Ahmed chatted through the bars at Guantanamo, they had a surprising amount in common.

GUANTANAMO PRISON HISTORY
Detainees at Camp X-ray
First inmates arrive at makeshift Camp X-Ray January 2002
Detainees refused rights of prisoners of war and right to a trial
Camp Delta, with more permanent facilities, opens April 2002
Some 700 prisoners eventually transferred to site
Many since been released or handed to national governments
By 2009, 215 men of various nationalities remain
President Obama concedes in 2009 his deadline for closing - January 2010 - will be missed

Inside Guantanamo Bay

"It was no different from me sitting at the bar with a friend of mine talking about women or music," says Mr Neely. "He would say, 'you ever listen to Eminem or Dr Dre' and he threw off a little rap and it was just funny. I thought how could it be somebody is here who's doing the same stuff that I do when I'm back home."

Mr Neely was 22 when he worked at the camp and left after six months to serve in Iraq. But after quitting the military his doubts about Guantanamo began to crystallise. This led to a spontaneous decision last year to reach out to his former prisoners.

"I was pretty new to Facebook and decided to type in their names to see if their profiles popped up and I came across Shafiq's Facebook page. I decided to send him a little e-mail," says Mr Neely.

Released in 2004, after being held for two years, Mr Rasul and Mr Ahmed and another friend from Tipton had been captured in Afghanistan on suspicion of links to the Taliban. The three said they were beaten by US troops although this was disputed by the US government at the time.

After all that, the Facebook communique was a shock to Mr Rasul.

Last-minute nerves

"At first I couldn't believe it. Getting a message from an ex-guard saying that what happened to us in Guantanamo was wrong was surprising more than anything."

To Mr Neely's astonishment he received a reply and the pair began an exchange of e-mails. It was at this point that the BBC asked if both sides would be prepared to meet in person.

They agreed.

slustan
02-08-10, 06:38
"Mr Neely recalls only the good publicity in the US media.

The news would always try to make Guantanamo into this great place," he says, "like 'they [prisoners] were treated so great'. No it wasn't. You know here I was basically just putting innocent people in cages."

I'm trying to figure out what channel this guy was watching when he saw the media trying to portray Guantanamo in a positive light? :confused:

5pins
02-08-10, 10:58
Did Mr. Neely ever wonder why the two British nationals were in Afghanistan? It’s not like A stan is a popular tourist spot. I guess they took a stroll from the five star hotel and ended up in the middle of a battle field.

ST911
02-08-10, 11:32
The media keeps making it sound like the camps on Gitmo are a creation of 9/11. While they were rebuilt, expanded, and improved for the WOT, and there was a mission change, there were US military detention ops there long before that.

KellyTTE
02-08-10, 11:36
Did Mr. Neely ever wonder why the two British nationals were in Afghanistan? It’s not like A stan is a popular tourist spot. I guess they took a stroll from the five star hotel and ended up in the middle of a battle field.

I can see it now:

I say old bean, that curry has left me with a terrible bit of indigestion. What say we take a little stroll to ease discomfort a bit? :rolleyes:

khc3
02-08-10, 14:34
Did Mr. Neely ever wonder why the two British nationals were in Afghanistan? It’s not like A stan is a popular tourist spot. I guess they took a stroll from the five star hotel and ended up in the middle of a battle field.

Oh, they explain all that:


But what were the pair doing in Afghanistan in 2001?

They explain that, being in their late teens and early twenties at the time, they had made a naive, spontaneous decision to travel for free with an aid convoy weeks before a friend's wedding, due to take place in Pakistan.

Mr Ahmed admits they had a secret agenda for entering Afghanistan, but it wasn't to join al-Qaeda.

"Aid work was like probably 5% of it. Our main reason was just to go and sightsee really and smoke some dope".

So, a dope smoking holiday in Afghanistan...who HASN'T dreamed of that?

Volucris
02-08-10, 14:53
Sad how high the number of innocent people are in U.S. secret prisons that will never get out. Neat story about them meeting back up. Were they compensated for being falsely imprisoned?


Also, Afghanistan has spectacular drugs. I've got some friends who'll visit the region JUST to buy quality hookahs and bring them back to the states.

dhrith
02-08-10, 14:59
Sad how high the number of innocent people are in U.S. secret prisons that will never get out. Neat story about them meeting back up. Were they compensated for being falsely imprisoned?


Also, Afghanistan has spectacular drugs. I've got some friends who'll visit the region JUST to buy quality hookahs and bring them back to the states.

Innocent?
Falsely?
Spectacular?


<--------TOS that way.

GermanSynergy
02-08-10, 17:15
Are you joking?


Sad how high the number of innocent people are in U.S. secret prisons that will never get out. Neat story about them meeting back up. Were they compensated for being falsely imprisoned?


Also, Afghanistan has spectacular drugs. I've got some friends who'll visit the region JUST to buy quality hookahs and bring them back to the states.

SeriousStudent
02-08-10, 17:24
Sad how high the number of innocent people are in U.S. secret prisons that will never get out. Neat story about them meeting back up. Were they compensated for being falsely imprisoned?

Probably more compensation than the thousands of innocent people murdered on 9/11 received.



Also, Afghanistan has spectacular drugs. I've got some friends who'll visit the region JUST to buy quality hookahs and bring them back to the states.

Res ipsa loquitur. I am not surprised.

bkb0000
02-08-10, 17:32
Sad how high the number of innocent people are in U.S. secret prisons that will never get out. Neat story about them meeting back up. Were they compensated for being falsely imprisoned?


Also, Afghanistan has spectacular drugs. I've got some friends who'll visit the region JUST to buy quality hookahs and bring them back to the states.

you're the biggest douche on this whole board.

do you seriously think our military wastes hundreds of man hours and thousands of dollars detaining and flying and feeding and guarding innocent men? ****ing obscene.

the only injustice is that these pieces of shit are being freed to continue plotting against Americans.

Volucris
02-08-10, 18:47
Are you joking?
No.

Probably more compensation than the thousands of innocent people murdered on 9/11 received.

If you were taken from your home country, put into a secret prison half way across the globe, tortured, abused, then told you were actually innocent and that you need to wait a couple years before you can go back home, would you really be happy and in love with America?

I HIGHLY doubt it. I don't think you've been following any sort of news if you think everyone in secret prisons is responsible for 9/11 and guilty of some terrorist act.

you're the biggest douche on this whole board.

do you seriously think our military wastes hundreds of man hours and thousands of dollars detaining and flying and feeding and guarding innocent men? ****ing obscene.

the only injustice is that these pieces of shit are being freed to continue plotting against Americans.
Yeah, they do.

Plotting against us Americans? Several officials have come out time after time to confess that many of the inmates in places like Guantanamo were innocent. Once again, if you were imprisoned and tortured by America then told "oops actually you were innocent all along" you really think you'd like this country at all? Terrorists only come out of Guantanamo because there's no way in hell you'd like America after being there even if you were innocent from the beginning.


I suggest you try reading up on Craig Murray's story. He tried to expose the horrible human right's violations being done to completely innocent "terrorism" suspects in Uzbekistan's secret prisons.

GermanSynergy
02-08-10, 18:50
Are you getting this from Al Jazeera English? :rolleyes:

John_Wayne777
02-08-10, 18:51
Sad how high the number of innocent people are in U.S. secret prisons that will never get out.

It's a far smaller number than the number of terrorist scumbags who have been released only to be found again on the battlefield trying to kill our troops.

Enough of this stupidity.