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I was thinking the other day, while being an active user, that it would suck big time to no longer have a supply of toliet paper:eek:
It got me thinkning, maybe I should begin a small stockpile of TP.
Of course I would miss TV, as I'm a big race fan (I like Mythbusters too), but it got me wondering. What else would you miss, pacticluarly some small things that may be easy to over look?
Contact lens solution. I am very much non-functional without my contacts (I can get by with glasses, but wouldn't want to for very long). Lasik tops my lists of SHTF preps....
Razorhunter
02-14-10, 12:00
TP? Well we've all got a few sacrificial T-shirts for that purpose. That would be the least of your worries I assure you.
As for Mythbusters, we've all seen every episode umpteen billion times as well.
Things like a bed, HVAC, good food, clean clothing, daily showers, etc, etc would be most missed.
TP? Well we've all got a few sacrificial T-shirts for that purpose. That would be the least of your worries I assure you.
Things like a bed, HVAC, good food, clean clothing, daily showers, etc, etc would be most missed.
Roger that on the t-shirts. Unless we get displaced we're not too badly set on the rest. We have also prepared, somewhat, with a focus toward having to displace. Hope it never happens, that would be the worst case and the hardest to deal with.
PA PATRIOT
02-14-10, 16:55
Electricity
Its the core to most of are comforts.
Thats why a secondary source such as solar, hydro or wind base generators is so important as they continue to produce long after the fossil fuels availability runs out. I have the solar and the wind based generation system in place but I have been working on a hydro based generation system which utilizes a fast moving stream which exits a broken rock face on my property. The volume of water seems consistent through out the warm seasons so once I adapt a reducing vein which contains a impeller to turn a shaft of a generator at least I can recharge my battery bank when solar is inhibited by poor weather or the wind dies out. I'M still researching the best way to transmit the power of the hydro systems generation back to my battery bank but I'M sure it won't be that complicated.
Being able to get books whenever I want. No more training with TigerSwan.
Copenhagen, I would go on a frantic pissy spree without it.
Clean, fresh potable water, food and electricity.
travistheone
02-14-10, 19:44
Chewing tobacco and internet porn. End of thread.
Outlander Systems
02-14-10, 19:46
Tap water, cigarettes, electricity, and ice cream.
I don't know what it is about spending time in the woods, but I always want ice cream.
Chewing tobacco and internet porn. End of thread.
If you didn't chew tobacco you might not need internet porn :D
I can't really say but it has to do with razors and/or waxing.
nutnless220
02-14-10, 21:04
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misanthropist
02-15-10, 00:14
I can't really say but it has to do with razors and/or waxing.
Mine is related...in the event of a prolonged collapse and general social disorder, I assume that for safety most women would want to reduce any factors which made them a more appealing target for sickos.
But from the perspective of someone only halfway-sicko, it would be tragic to survive a collapse at great cost...only to discover that I now live in a world where women would always wear overalls and sweat pants.
Your point about Toilet Paper is well taken. I am sitting on well over 100 rolls of it.:D
MSP "Sarge"
02-15-10, 20:07
ICE! I need ice in my iced tea!
Evil Colt 6920
02-15-10, 20:18
I would miss M4Carbine.net the most:)
Icedaddy56
02-15-10, 20:36
Single malt scotch, M4c, and coffee
Evil Colt 6920
02-15-10, 20:51
Your point about Toilet Paper is well taken. I am sitting on well over 100 rolls of it.:D
Whose lawn are you planning to decorate:D
Xbox Live and Modern Warfare 2
I think I would miss luxury the most. Right now I can drive around, talk to people on my phone, surf the internet, fly places, watch TV, use AC, drink water when I want and not worry about wasting it, etc. I have most of my electricity taken care of, am working on my food storage, am always working on my weapons, etc but if things really fell apart we would have to work a lot harder for everything and therefore have a lot less time to do enjoyable things. I am not a trust fund baby or anything so its not like I dont have to work right now but the way life is and the way it could be is light years apart.
All that being said life can still be good seeing as how humans seemed to get by fine before electricity or most of the other luxuries we take for granted these days.
Running water, electricity, trash collection, and modern medicine.
security of being safe most of the time
the idea of my kids get sick I can run them into the docs
electricity of course
communicating with friends who do not live near me
so many things I take for granted everyday
now I can say I spent 6 months living off the land out of a tent and they were some of the best times in my life but I was single no kids !
I never worried about current events and news !
I never missed TV I spent so much time hunting fishing and living
being from the islands the hot and cold was never a problem living in some places on the mainland that could be really serious though
I did not miss worrying about paying bills :) no electricity to pay no phone to pay etc.. was nice worry free in some senses
RAM Engineer
03-16-10, 16:43
Antibiotics
^^^This...and newspaper comic strips.
Nathan_Bell
03-16-10, 18:49
security of being safe most of the time
the idea of my kids get sick I can run them into the docs
electricity of course
communicating with friends who do not live near me
so many things I take for granted everyday
now I can say I spent 6 months living off the land out of a tent and they were some of the best times in my life but I was single no kids !
I never worried about current events and news !
I never missed TV I spent so much time hunting fishing and living
being from the islands the hot and cold was never a problem living in some places on the mainland that could be really serious though
I did not miss worrying about paying bills :) no electricity to pay no phone to pay etc.. was nice worry free in some senses
Yup, there is an incredible list of things that we would all miss, but the biggest should be the security of those we love.
and a few others
Coffee
Hot showers
TP
Good booze
Meat that I dont have to shoot, skin, butcher.
Drugs (antibiotics, cold medicine cough medicine)
Tea
Mobility
Fresh(ish) fruit year round.
Lemons
Oranges
beer
internet
coca cola
Weed killer
heat at the control of a dial.
AC
fabric softener
Nate- Fabric softener? Fabric softener?:D
Hot showers.
COPENHAGEN! I am seriously addicted!
Fresh washed clothes and fabric softener, yes... fabric softener is a joy in life!
My Windows Mobile Verizon cel phone. My Imagio is so much a part of my life it is scary.
On tap clean and drinkable water.
Toilet paper would prove to be missed by everyone.
I guess heat and AC.
Automobiles, once fuel was used up we would all be locatonally challanged. Imagine needing to get 30 miles away for supplies with no mechanized transportation!
Many things, too many to list!
RogerinTPA
03-16-10, 21:28
Flushing toilet.
geminidglocker
03-16-10, 21:40
Definitely the electricity. That, and not being able to find my Dogs favorite food.:(
Flushing toilet.
what the heck is that ?? never heard of it ?? you mean their is something more than the white 5 gallon bucket !
OK the buckets not white anymore :)
when I lived in Honduras I got used to NO toilets !!!!
when their was toilets they just had a pipe connected to it and it went out the front of the house into the water !!! NICE dont want to swim in front !!!!
also some euro tourists used to see it fit to throw away the butt wipe rather than flushing it so in the tropical heat their would be a small garbage can in the corner over-run with brown striped toilet paper
yeah I would miss my toilet also :) kinda scary to say that :)
Nathan_Bell
03-17-10, 12:40
Nate- Fabric softener? Fabric softener?:D
Hey, I like comfy sheets when I sleep :p
Long Term Collapse or Short Term Collapse with chance of social recovery?
I'll go Long Term:
My fiance's insulin (type 1 Diabetic) after about the 6 month stock pile we have runs out after about a year of stretching it thin (and that is considering that the supply doesn't heat up).
So, as you may guess the second thing I would miss the most is the biggest thing I would miss, and it would happen once we ran out...
(if there are any other people out there in a similar situation, PM me and lets talk about ways you have taken this into consideration).
Third would be my family. I live 150 miles from my mother, my father is over seas, and my two sisters are spread out.
Basically after about two years it's going to be a lonely apocalypse...:(
Beer.
After Wilma (which ran right over the top of us, I went outside in the eye) which was very late in the season the weather was still gorgeous. I sat on the lawn and drank beer all day and enjoyed the free vacation. I never stressed a day until the beer started to run out.
We sh** in 5 gal. buckets while living on St. Maarten after Lenny for about 2wks. Same in NOLA after Katrina but for about a month. Had plenty of bleach around. Buried some and burnt some. It was not that big of a deal.
FlyAndFight
03-17-10, 16:14
Medicines would top my list.
Electricity would be next.
pilotguyo540
03-17-10, 17:53
If you didn't chew tobacco you might not need internet porn :D
Non factor, really.
+1 on the copenhagen snuff!
Internet porn would probably not be necessary since I won't be traveling with out the wife :-)
Long Term Collapse or Short Term Collapse with chance of social recovery?
I'll go Long Term:
My fiance's insulin (type 1 Diabetic) after about the 6 month stock pile we have runs out after about a year of stretching it thin (and that is considering that the supply doesn't heat up).
So, as you may guess the second thing I would miss the most is the biggest thing I would miss, and it would happen once we ran out...
(if there are any other people out there in a similar situation, PM me and lets talk about ways you have taken this into consideration).
Third would be my family. I live 150 miles from my mother, my father is over seas, and my two sisters are spread out.
Basically after about two years it's going to be a lonely apocalypse...:(
I started another thread here about the book "One Second After", may I suggest that to you. It deals with a lot of what you just described, it may give you some ideas, maybe not. I think you will find it interesting.
Nathan_Bell
03-18-10, 08:25
I started another thread here about the book "One Second After", may I suggest that to you. It deals with a lot of what you just described, it may give you some ideas, maybe not. I think you will find it interesting.
Or go for the old standby. "Lucifer's Hammer" Sci-fic, but hits all the right notes.
Eddiesketti
03-18-10, 08:48
Not having to watch your back 24/7.
A hot shower with soap
I think there are a lot more things i would like in a collapse or emergency.
my world would get real rough as an epileptic and no modern medicine. i hate to admit it, but id probably be one of the jerks who hits the pharmacy and "loots" what i need right off the getgo to make sure i have time to establish as much stability in my kids' life before i ran out of meds.
Nathan_Bell
03-18-10, 09:30
my world would get real rough as an epileptic and no modern medicine. i hate to admit it, but id probably be one of the jerks who hits the pharmacy and "loots" what i need right off the getgo to make sure i have time to establish as much stability in my kids' life before i ran out of meds.
I have family members who REQUIRE meds to live and it pisses me off that the DR cannot write 'scripts to give more than a 30 day buffer. These are non-narcotic, non-psychotropic heart meds.
I have family members who REQUIRE meds to live and it pisses me off that the DR cannot write 'scripts to give more than a 30 day buffer. These are non-narcotic, non-psychotropic heart meds.
that really puts you in a bad spot..i can relate. nothing i take has any "street useage" as far as i know, yet i have to see a neurologist monthly to do blood work and get a prescript called in. its just a little way they can continue to reap the benefits of my piss poor insurance.
I mean this in a constructive, philosophical manner, not bashing at all:
What if someone said to himself, "That guy has the medicine my ____ needs, so I'm going to take it from him." And then he proceeded to take someone's medicine. Maybe he has ten well organized friends and he is unable to be stopped. Does this make him in the right? This is along the same lines as you having food, the next guy doesn't, his family is starving to death, so in his mind he feels he is justified to take your food. Same goes for medicine. Someone else will need the same medicine so by looting the pharmacy, you have probably killed someone else.
I have given this subject much thought. Still not sure how I would proceed. It's a tough subject.
Maybe we should start a thread on this.
I started another thread here about the book "One Second After", may I suggest that to you. It deals with a lot of what you just described, it may give you some ideas, maybe not. I think you will find it interesting.
Thank you, I will look it up!
I have family members who REQUIRE meds to live and it pisses me off that the DR cannot write 'scripts to give more than a 30 day buffer. These are non-narcotic, non-psychotropic heart meds.
It's criminal is what it is. This insurance/health care debate hits home with me and makes me pretty angry for reasons just like you describe above.
I would have no issue at all with looting a pharmacy in the opening stages of a complete collapse. Stealing from Pharmy companies, and insurance companies doesn't really rub me wrong in any way shape or form.
I think it is critical in disaster planning to realize where your medical supplies are, and I wonder (maybe someone can fill me in on this), if cities and towns have figured out ways to secure and distribute medical supplies during an emergency?
Edit:
This post was moved to this discussion https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?p=604703&posted=1#post604703 as 6933 suggested starting a new subject regarding these issues.
Your point about Toilet Paper is well taken. I am sitting on well over 100 rolls of it.:D
If I had 1 round of ammo for every sheet of TP I got squirreled away......... I'd be in good shape on ammo.
I have family members who REQUIRE meds to live and it pisses me off that the DR cannot write 'scripts to give more than a 30 day buffer. These are non-narcotic, non-psychotropic heart meds.
some docs will do it for expeditions and such
I think their might be a way ? I dont have names but when I went to Honduras to live I got a few things ahead of time for emergency and then picked up what I needed when I was down there
try searching for expedition doctors this way you can usually get the meds you need when you plan on doing a long expedition so planning on a 6 month expedition might get him the meds he would need for that 6 month trip :)
some docs will do it for expeditions and such
I think their might be a way ? I dont have names but when I went to Honduras to live I got a few things ahead of time for emergency and then picked up what I needed when I was down there
try searching for expedition doctors this way you can usually get the meds you need when you plan on doing a long expedition so planning on a 6 month expedition might get him the meds he would need for that 6 month trip :)
Interesting information. Thank you.
ColdDeadHands
03-22-10, 06:26
m4carbine.net:D
though [knock on wood] I do not use much medecation other than the occasional Advil and I don't go to the doctor much, I think modern medecine would be something I would miss quite a bit.
if society goes down the sh*tter, it would be a lot easier to get sick than it is now.
i have a deal worked out with a friend of mine who is a pharmacist but owns no weapons, if the SHTF, he takes all he can, and comes to my house. medecine for protection lol. we think its a good deal.
After reading One Second After last week, I have to say, I am getting more and more paranoid...
How about what I wouldn't miss? I'm fairly certain liberals would have a higher probability of not making it. I wouldn't miss them.
Nathan,
Most likely the physician can and will write for it but insurance will not cover it. What the physician will NOT do or should not do is write a RX for a higher number of pills for a 30 day period of time in order to stick some away. It would have to be a separate prescription. If the physician will not do this for non-scheduled meds then you should consider looking for a new physician. I would simply try to explain to the physician that you are trying to make sure that you have enough medicine on hand in case something happens such as an ice storm, flooding, hurricane, etc. Keywords to use: maintain compliance-- I would like an extra month of meds to maintain compliance should something happen that prevents me from getting them from the pharmacy like a flood, earthquake, etc (whatever is relevant to your area).
Nathan_Bell
03-23-10, 16:51
Nathan,
Most likely the physician can and will write for it but insurance will not cover it. What the physician will NOT do or should not do is write a RX for a higher number of pills for a 30 day period of time in order to stick some away. It would have to be a separate prescription. If the physician will not do this for non-scheduled meds then you should consider looking for a new physician. I would simply try to explain to the physician that you are trying to make sure that you have enough medicine on hand in case something happens such as an ice storm, flooding, hurricane, etc. Keywords to use: maintain compliance-- I would like an extra month of meds to maintain compliance should something happen that prevents me from getting them from the pharmacy like a flood, earthquake, etc (whatever is relevant to your area).
Will check and see if that approach was tried.
How about what I wouldn't miss? I'm fairly certain liberals would have a higher probability of not making it. I wouldn't miss them.best response so far...i nearly choked on my pepsi:D
NavyDavy55
03-23-10, 17:29
hope.............
I can't really say but it has to do with razors and/or waxing.
AGREED
How about what I wouldn't miss? I'm fairly certain liberals would have a higher probability of not making it. I wouldn't miss them.
+1 on that!
As far as what I would miss....
1. Convenience as we know it. Everything will have to planned out and done manually. That would suck.
In a positive light, Darwinism would in full swing and play a full role on thinning the herd again. I see that as a possible good thing.
Eddiesketti
04-04-10, 22:09
If this was an extended collapse or emergency i would not want to smell like a steamy pile. We will all be hanging out 1880's style with guns and stench from a month on us. By that point we might not even care anymore.
i got to thinking about this one yesterday due to my families tradition....recreational shooting. every year after dinner we all break out assorted firearms from handguns, 10/22s and later some centerfire rifles for a little competition amongst the "big-kids":p. that would definitely become a thing of the past for many reasons
Electricity
Potable, running water
Modern Dentistry...I have a crown and if it ever came loose, it would be a sh_t sammich.
Let's hope we never face full scale collapse of society.
trunkmonkey
04-12-10, 09:45
internet porn
TP is not to be missed. It ranks right under Ammo on the FOOD/Ammo/TP lists.
I would have serious PC withdrawals. There have been days I haven't got online but Tuesdays is World of Warcraft down time... and it is the same the lights go out and I want a drink of water real bad.
jklaughrey
04-24-10, 23:02
Availability of antiseptics and my stock portfolio. Damn 13 years to retirement at 50.
The thinning of the herd would be a good thing. Hopefully those that live off of the gov't teat would go first.
Flight-ER-Doc
04-25-10, 10:02
I hope that I'm pretty well prepared on food, power, ammo, TP, meds (my wife is a pharmacist which helps), fuel, etc.
The one thing that I'd really miss (not that I can't live without) is the internet. Just because it's got so much good information on it. I wouldn't miss the BS on it though.
One thing I've got planned is to download all of Wikipedia....I've got to build a suitable storage machine for it when I get time - but the entire DB is only 20gb or so. That'd be handy. I'd miss Google too.
As far as getting more than a 30 day script, the issue isn't with the physician - it's the insurance company paying for it. I will write scripts for 90 day supplies of most anything except schedule drugs, and I try and pick drugs that are on the $10 list at WalMart (if the available drugs will do for the patient). Oh, and refills x6. I'll also write scripts for 'world travelers' as long as they've got half a story - and aren't asking for controlled drugs. Sorry, no vicodin, oxycontin, morphine or fentanyl lollypops (and I've been asked, many times).
Basic creature comforts; the ability to run to the store on a moments notice to grab something you are out of. Much less of a problem with proper planning, but its inevitable to happen on an occasion or two.
electricity, toilet paper, running hot water... pretty much everything! :p
Glock17JHP
05-04-10, 13:23
My job and the paycheck it produces...
My job and the paycheck it produces...
Dont you mean the things that your paycheck buys;)
Six Feet Under
05-05-10, 19:20
Toilet paper and air conditioning are tied for #1... showers, machine-laundered clothes/sheets, ice, cold drinks, indoor plumbing.
And another big one... QUALITY MEDICAL CARE.
ROCKET20_GINSU
05-06-10, 03:31
The pill :D
Glock17JHP
05-06-10, 13:03
Dont you mean the things that your paycheck buys;)
Yes... actually you are correct...
Glock17JHP
05-11-10, 22:45
Get married... then be satisfied with 'her'... :D
Water.
If you don't have it, you start missing it in under three hours. Within a day of going without, it's your primary (and potentially only) focus.
Flight-ER-Doc
05-19-10, 08:09
Water.
If you don't have it, you start missing it in under three hours. Within a day of going without, it's your primary (and potentially only) focus.
If you don't have a plan for water.....you should get one.
leopard hound
05-23-10, 09:20
sour cream. i ****ing LOVE sour cream.....
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