AR 15 Questions about Attachments Please look!!!

[Stevieterry]

Ok im new to AR's and i was wondering if this would be a good fun for my first one.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_753/products_id/56365

Is it worth the price?

I just plan on shooting around with it. and kill small game. Maybe deer hunt with it if i could kill one with it.


But the real question is could i just put a bi-pod and a red dot scope on that straight out of the box? Or would i need to put other stuff on it to attach those.


Here are the items im looking at.

SCOPE
http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B002PF1EU8/ref=s9_simh_gw_p23_i4?pf_rd_m=ATVPDKIKX0DER&pf_rd_s=center-4&pf_rd_r=13DRJF6Y7B9G7HMKKDEZ&pf_rd_t=101&pf_rd_p=470939031&pf_rd_i=507846


Front Handle
http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Deluxe-Ergonomic-Foregrip-Black/dp/B0014ZY6Y6/ref=pd_bxgy_sg_img_b

Flash Light / Laser
http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Defender-Handheld-Tactical-Flashlight/dp/B001WJ5EMW/ref=pd_bxgy_sg_img_a

Bi-Pod
http://www.amazon.com/UTG-Combat-Profile-Adjustable-Rubberized/dp/B001WJ577O/ref=pd_bxgy_sg_img_c


Please let me know if those will fit.

I can get that whole package (Front Grip/ Flash Light / Bi-pod ) for 66 bucks if i buy them all..

Will they fit on that gun?


Thank you for who reply's

Stevie Terry, Eastern Kentucky.

[Bravo30]

I'm not even sure where to start. You can buy a much better rifle for around the same amount of money. As for the components you listed; clones are never a good idea for an serious rifle and those other things look like they would be better suited for airsoft. I would suggest that read much more on this site before you make any purchase.

[Stevieterry]

Well i looked at alot more rifles and the only reason i liked that one the most is because i like the look of it a lot better.

Do you have any suggestions for a rifle that i could get around that price that is better?

[ryan]

Wow a long range varmint rifle with a close range sight. I just built my BCM for 1200 with all the magpul goodies, thats not much more money considering the much, much higher quality. As previously stated read alot more on this site and find "the chart" b4 you buy. And be a model responsible gun owner for all our sakes and take a carbine class.

[Stevieterry]

Well i dont plan on shooting 1k yards or anything.
Mainly just go back on a strip job (old coal company hill) and shoot around with my friends at pop cans.

[Iraqgunz]

Stevie,

I am sure that you are aware that many of us at M4C are not wrapped up in the way something looks, but rather how it performs.

A rifle like the AR is first and foremost a fighting weapon. Whether it be for duty use or protection of your family. Everything else is secondary or an extra benefit.

I would personally stay away from this rifle. Look at a build job from Bravo Company USA, Daniel Defense or even the new S&W carbine. All of those will serve you well.

I also encourage you to stay away from that UTG chinese crap and save the money for good magazines and ammo.

[ryan]

Well i dont plan on shooting 1k yards or anything.
Mainly just go back on a strip job (old coal company hill) and shoot around with my friends at pop cans.

It will probly do what you want but its gone be a heavy bastard. IMO a lighter weight would be better, just take it slow, this site is full of info that will help also optics are not where you want to save money, leupold and burris make excellent optics and their lower end models wont bust your budget a whole lot more than the eotec clone and have awesome waranties

[5pins]

The first thing you need to figure out is what do you want the rifle for. That rifle you are looking at is a big heavy varmint/match rifle.

[Stevieterry]

I just have $1000

I need a good AR 15
Scope

Those 2 for sure ^

Would like a Bi-pod to. But i can wait for that i guess.

[Bravo30]

Here are a couple of threads to get you started. Only you can decide what rifle will be best for you. I just urge you to learn as much as you can before you buy so that you will be making an informed decision.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7376

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=4524

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=47379&highlight=noveske

[Stevieterry]

The first thing you need to figure out is what do you want the rifle for. That rifle you are looking at is a big heavy varmint/match rifle.



Just to shoot around back up on a hill behind my house with friends. Also will take it hunting for smaller animals, Would like to deer hunt with it also.

I wont be doing any competitions or anything like that.

[ryan]

Its hard to get both for that I would sugest a S&W M&P, Academy sports has them going around 899 last I looked and a Burris 4x20 Timberline is going around 180

[ryan]

Here are a couple of threads to get you started. Only you can decide what rifle will be best for you. I just urge you to learn as much as you can before you buy so that you will be making an informed decision.

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=6642

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=7376

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=4524

https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=47379&highlight=noveske

This man is lookin out for you + 1

[Outlander Systems]

Stevie: You should definitely prioritise.

1) Focus on getting a good rifle/carbine first.
2) If you've got enough left for a good scope, cool, if you don't wait until you do.

For $1000 you can get a rifle that doesn't suck. Screw all the bolt-on accessories until you've shot the thing or taken a class. Then you'll see what you want, and what you don't want.

[Stevieterry]

Stevie: You should definitely prioritise.

1) Focus on getting a good rifle/carbine first.
2) If you've got enough left for a good scope, cool, if you don't wait until you do.

For $1000 you can get a rifle that doesn't suck. Screw all the bolt-on accessories until you've shot the thing or taken a class. Then you'll see what you want, and what you don't want.



Could you suggest one?
Ive look at double star's and one of my friends tryed to sell me a DPMS for 900.
Like i said. Im very new to these and i dont want to end up getting ripped off.
Ill be making my purchase next week.

[ryan]

Could you suggest one?
Ive look at double star's and one of my friends tryed to sell me a DPMS for 900.
Like i said. Im very new to these and i dont want to end up getting ripped off.
Ill be making my purchase next week.

He is not being very nice to you sir use the search function to find the general consensus on DPMS around here

[Outlander Systems]

Buy this upper if you want a good smokewagon:
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=UPR-BCM&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3Dupper%26searchstart%3D0%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html

Then, order this lower, and have it shipped to your local dealer:
http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=LWR-BCM&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3Dlower%20not%20follower%26searchstart%3D9%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html

Grand total of: $952 if you go with the midlength and no frills.

You won't be getting ripped off, and you won't be getting junk.

Buy the other stuff later.

[Stevieterry]

Would i have to build that?
I was kinda looking for one that was already built. Cause i dont know the first part of building them.

Also on that upper. Would i have to buy the grip and stuff for it? like the barrel shroud part

[ryan]

Would i have to build that?
I was kinda looking for one that was already built. Cause i dont know the first part of building them.

Also on that upper. Would i have to buy the grip and stuff for it? like the barrel shroud part

You can have the plastic HG added for 20 bucks have grant throw a buttstock on all you have to do is push the take down pins in add a magpul mbus rear and your very well armed

[jvencius]

Also, I'd pass on anything from Tapco, CAA, UTG, or any of the airsoft companies for use on a real firearm--they're just not made to handle the stress a real gun can place on some accessory doodad.

[Outlander Systems]

The upper and lower join together in all of, literally, three seconds. You have to take them apart to do a cleaning, so you're not exactly getting a bucket of parts to assemble...

You're essentially buying the complete rifle in two sections, that you can assemble, without tools, in less time it takes for me to light a cigarette. Put 'em together, push the pins, and you're sporting a rifle of top quality for $50 less than your budget. If you call Grant at G&R Tactical, he can probably work something out that gets you where you need to go.

[fdxpilot]

Would i have to build that?
I was kinda looking for one that was already built. Cause i dont know the first part of building them.

Also on that upper. Would i have to buy the grip and stuff for it? like the barrel shroud part

When you buy an assembled upper and lower, there is no building. These are the basic assemblies you would have if you break the gun down for cleaning. Unless you never plan on cleaning it, you will do this all the time.

Ooops, should have read the second page.

[Thomas M-4]

Dont put all that junk on the rifle just concentrate on getting a good rifle first BCM ,LMT There are others just look at the chart.
After you get the rifle just shoot it as is for a while get acquainted with it find out your strengths and weaknesses with it then look into getting quality accessorizes for it you will be a lot better off doing that way than rushing blindly into it.

[djegators]

If you just want a cheap plinker, then I wouldn't spend more than the $600 it takes to get a CCMG Bargain Bin rifle. Probably better than the one you listed, and will serve your can shooting needs.

Later, after you have learned a lot more about the AR platform, you can sell it, get most of your money back, and invest in a top tier system.


Bargain Bin: http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/?cart=2229877&cat=161&

[Artiz]

If I could suggest one thing, that would be to spend the next few days on reading every bit of good information on this forum.
You will need three things, food, coffee, and aspyrin. Your head will stock a crapload of quality information quickly, and that might hurt quite a bit. ;)

[Stan9106]

You can have the plastic HG added for 20 bucks have grant throw a buttstock on all you have to do is push the take down pins in add a magpul mbus rear and your very well armed

I've got a used Magpus MBUS rear sight in black I'm not using that I'll make you a deal on. It's got a small scuff mark on it but it functions fine. PM me if you're interested.

[cagilber]

Bingo!

They've everything you need to go shoot out back and it's less than $1000

http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188139198.html

http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188139181.html

http://www.impactguns.com/store/604206072641.html

http://www.impactguns.com/store/092786120065%20.html

[Stevieterry]

Bingo!

They've everything you need to go shoot out back and it's less than $1000

http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188139198.html

http://www.impactguns.com/store/022188139181.html

http://www.impactguns.com/store/604206072641.html

http://www.impactguns.com/store/092786120065%20.html


I love you lol.
Thank you for sending me links. It helps alot. Cause i've been searching all day for the ones the other guys said but they were all really high over my budget.

I might get one of these.

[Stevieterry]

How about this one


http://www.impactguns.com/store/884451000433.html

[Safetyhit]

I love you lol.
Thank you for sending me links. It helps alot.

He wasn't the only person you might owe thanks to. Several went out of their way to help you here.

[ryan]

How about this one


http://www.impactguns.com/store/884451000433.html

Sometimes you just cant help, and have to know when to walk away.

[SoDak]

How about this one


http://www.impactguns.com/store/884451000433.html

That's going to be real heavy and it's more of a varmit gun. I'd take everyone's advice and look at either something from BCM or maybe a S&W M&P15.

[ryan]

That's going to be real heavy and it's more of a varmit gun. I'd take everyone's advice and look at either something from BCM or maybe a S&W M&P15.

Oh no thats an AWESOME rifle HE will LOVE it,

[Stevieterry]

I'll just keep looking around.
Im really just stuck on the look of the varmit guns though.

I'll post again once i figure out what im going to get...

Thank you everyone for your help.

[Stevieterry]

Smith & Wesson M&P15 MOE

I think ill go with that one. Just saw it was rifle of the year. So i guess it must be good to go with.

[Stevieterry]

Oh and it comes with a sight .... so i can use that till i get a scope...


Also will this .22 conversion kit fit that S&W gun?

http://cmmginc.secure-mall.com/shop/?cart=2230035&cat=81&PHPSESSID=8e51553f991c4d9e0366d218ca1bba51

[jvencius]

Read more, post less...

[C4IGrant]

I love you lol.
Thank you for sending me links. It helps alot. Cause i've been searching all day for the ones the other guys said but they were all really high over my budget.

I might get one of these.

The prices on the S&W M&P's are high. Make sure you check around for prices.


C4

[Outlander Systems]

While the S&W is a good gun, the best bang for the buck is going to be the BCM.

Don't listen to ANYONE trying to get you to buy a Bushmaster or DPMS. Run.

Dude, unless you're gonna make out with the thing, looks aren't worth shit.

If you plan on actually shooting it, in your budget, go with BCM, LMT, or S&W.

You're focusing too much on the cart instead of the horse. Get a good horse. If you've got a thousand bucks, don't skimp on the rifle to get a bunch of worthless junk to slap onto it.

Trust me.

[uwe1]

I think that we are just going to have to let him make his mistakes and learn from them. Many/most of us made the mistakes and paid for them (literally) and have come to the same conclusions that we are all trying to get this new guy to understand. Let him lug his varmint gun around during a class until he decides that it's too heavy. Until he does, he won't care what we say because right now he is in the "tacticool" phase of the black rifle disease.

[Stevieterry]

Well all the BCM's were over 1k.

The S&W though arent that bad of price's...

I think i might just get the S&W M&P15

[Stevieterry]

The prices on the S&W M&P's are high. Make sure you check around for prices.


C4



Found one on bud's for a little cheaper

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_763/products_id/58561

[Stevieterry]

I think that we are just going to have to let him make his mistakes and learn from them. Many/most of us made the mistakes and paid for them (literally) and have come to the same conclusions that we are all trying to get this new guy to understand. Let him lug his varmint gun around during a class until he decides that it's too heavy. Until he does, he won't care what we say because right now he is in the "tacticool" phase of the black rifle disease.




What class? I dont take any classes.
I just go back on my hill and shoot animals or just go shoot around with my friend's.

I live in the middle of eastern kentucky. Theres just mountains. Houses are miles apart, seriously.

[C4IGrant]

Well all the BCM's were over 1k.

The S&W though arent that bad of price's...

I think i might just get the S&W M&P15
Incorrect. BCM upper, lower, BCG and charging handle are about $934.

C4

[BWT]

Hell, I'd go with the Charles Daly, they've gotten great reviews.

After that I'd go after S&W, and I just wouldn't buy an DPMS.

Honestly, I have a friend who won an LRT SASS at the Silencer Shoot this year, it's barrel came loose and would rotate 10-15 degrees left or right after 300 rounds.

I mean... They've got QC issues. I won't recommend a company that it's a throw of the dice of what you're going to get, you spend too much money to accept that.

Plus, spending 900$, when you can get something like a BCM complete for 1100$, you're really doing yourself a disservice, honestly.

At this point you're already spending 900$, $200 is a drop in the bucket. That's the cost of certain people's favorite butt stock.

You end up with everything being military specification or better, and don't have to sweat the small stuff.

I bought a BCM Complete Lower Today. I'm parting the gun out, as I'm a college student, but I see it as false economy to buy stuff that you don't want and try to substitute or pass it off as what you really want, you know? I've learned with guns, if you really want something, don't compromise and buy something else, get what you want, as you'll always look at it in the view of "It's

It seems like a waste of money, add 19% more to the cost of the gun, and you've got a gun that will run for thousands of trouble free rounds.

By the way, I'd recommend buying from G&R, they were trouble free in the transaction I had. Very helpful.

[djegators]

Incorrect. BCM upper, lower, BCG and charging are about $934.

C4


Excellent point. A top tier AR for about the same price as the S&W.

[SoDak]

You might try Grant for an M&P15 MOE. However, I think you need to slow down and do some reading before buying anything. From your stated needs it sounds like a smith & wesson would be a decent choice, but please before your drop any cash on a rifle, just do some more research here.

[C4IGrant]

Well all the BCM's were over 1k.

The S&W though arent that bad of price's...

I think i might just get the S&W M&P15


Found one on bud's for a little cheaper

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_763/products_id/58561



Did you check out our website yet?


C4

[C4IGrant]

What class? I dont take any classes.
I just go back on my hill and shoot animals or just go shoot around with my friend's.

I live in the middle of eastern kentucky. Theres just mountains. Houses are miles apart, seriously.



Just as an FYI to you, this is a forum geared towards training and defensive shooting. Varmint AR's aren't all that popular on here.


C4

[Gramps]

Did you check out our website yet?


C4

DUDE, STOP AND CALL THIS GUY THAT IS POSTING TO YOU. HE IS "GRANT" THAT OWNS G&R TACTICAL AND BELIEVE ME HE KNOWS WHAT HE IS TALKING ABOUT. HE LIVES AND BREATHS THIS STUFF ON ALL LEVELS, EVEN YOUR'S. HIS PHONE NUMBERS AND WEB SITE ARE AT THE BOTTOM UNDER HIS SIG LINE IN EACH AND EVERY POST HE MAKES.

[BWT]

I also forgot to mention I'm going for a Mid-Length Carbine, not an Carbine.

Parted out for the model I'd like, it's about 1100$, also I'm not going with standard stuff... (Magpul CTR, MIAD, BCM Mod 4, and probably a Troy rear flip-up).

So yeah, it would be considerably cheaper, forgot to even think about that, I've had the design and prices mapped out for so long in my head, I didn't even consider that for a second...

My Mistake.

[Safetyhit]

Something seems amiss with the OP.

[SoDak]

Something seems amiss with the OP.

How so? I'm tired and things like that are over my head right now.

[Stevieterry]

Just as an FYI to you, this is a forum geared towards training and defensive shooting. Varmint AR's aren't all that popular on here.


C4

Does the S&W 15MOE on your page come with the 30rd clip?

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=81102X&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchstart%3D9%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html%26category%3DSMWE

[Gramps]

Does the S&W 15MOE on your page come with the 30rd clip?

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=81102X&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchstart%3D9%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html%26category%3DSMWE

First line under the gun:
This is a S&W 15MOE. Comes with the Magpul MOE Handguard, MOE Grip, MBUS, MOE Stock and one PMAG.
That is a magazine. Consider it the best on the market.

[C4IGrant]

Does the S&W 15MOE on your page come with the 30rd clip?

http://www.gandrtactical.com/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi?preadd=action&key=81102X&reference=/cgi-bin/commerce.cgi%3Fsearch%3Daction%26keywords%3D%26searchstart%3D9%26template%3DPDGCommTemplates/FullNav/SearchResult.html%26category%3DSMWE

Yes.

C4

[Stevieterry]

If i were to order the S&W 15MOE from you. How long would it take to ship. and should i get him to fax his licsence first or order the gun first then get him to send it?

[rljatl]

Have you considered a Ruger 10/22? I think it would be a better fit for your use. You can make it look like an AR.

[uwe1]

You think so...?;) I think someone should redirect him to TOS. They have a bunch of pictures of varmint rifles there.


Something seems amiss with the OP.

[uwe1]

Have you considered a Ruger 10/22? I think it would be a better fit for your use. You can make it look like an AR.

I think an SKS might look more hardcore if looks were a consideration.

[C4IGrant]

If i were to order the S&W 15MOE from you. How long would it take to ship. and should i get him to fax his licsence first or order the gun first then get him to send it?

Usually 1-2 days. It doesn't matter on the fax (before or after is fine).


C4

[Stevieterry]

Ok ill let ya know. Cause i really like the S&W one.

[6933]

Read the stickies and use the search function. If your mindset changes.....

You should save a little more $$$ and many more options open up. Don't be all hyped up to buy an AR and make a choice you may regret later. What you think you want it for now may not be what you want it for later; once your knowledge increases. Maybe not. Hope it all works out for you.

[boganz45]

Smith and Wesson ARs are worth a look given your price range. Keep in mind the ones here are lacking BUIS (the first front and rear, the second rear only). Also note that if you buy a S&W AR right now you can get 5 free PMAGs with their rebate coupon.

http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_763/products_id/53496
http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/product_info.php/cPath/36_763/products_id/55424

[two_ton_anchor]

Hey StevieTerry:
I own the S&W M&P. I have the "brown" one (I know "FDE", but let's keep it simple ;) ) Color doesn't matter, attachments don't matter, different grips, highspeed guards, lights, lasers, optics etc etc...it all adds up to alot of stuff you MAY not even need or WANT. I've shot my rifle as often as possible since buying it and anyone here can tell you they never get to shoot enough.
What I'm trying to say is that looks and style don't equate to what a rifle is supposed to do: provide a "positive ballistic impact on target". If you can't shoot the damn thing, if you can't hit what you MEAN to hit, if you can't call EVERY shot because of a lack of training, all the pretty colors and bipods in the world won't help you.
Training can be as simple as developing a training plan or goal (LOTS of info on this site to help you with that), going to the old strip mine with a few magazines AND ammo, and following your plan. Firing rounds at random crap does nothing but build bad habits which can negatively effect the way you shoot, what you hit, and take away from your enjoyment of the exercise.
Now, about the rifle. You will LOVE the S&W M&P. I bought mine a few days after it came out (only one in the gunstore!), I paid $1350.00 for it, and haven't looked back. You are getting a deal on a great rifle for less than a grand, bro.
Good luck with it, keep your head, and STUDY what these gentlemen (and some women I believe) have to say on these forums. It is GOLD.
Stay safe and keep your head down...
Anchor
For everyone else, I stripped off the MOE handguards and put on a midlength rail with an FSP cutout, added Magpul's AFG, and promptly fainted from sheer happiness. That thing LOCKS in place now (relatively speaking). :D:D

[Scoby]

Stevie,

I am sure that you are aware that many of us at M4C are not wrapped up in the way something looks, but rather how it performs.

A rifle like the AR is first and foremost a fighting weapon. Whether it be for duty use or protection of your family. Everything else is secondary or an extra benefit.

I would personally stay away from this rifle. Look at a build job from Bravo Company USA, Daniel Defense or even the new S&W carbine. All of those will serve you well.

I also encourage you to stay away from that UTG chinese crap and save the money for good magazines and ammo.

What he said.

Scoby

[Stevieterry]

Hey StevieTerry:
I own the S&W M&P. I have the "brown" one (I know "FDE", but let's keep it simple ;) ) Color doesn't matter, attachments don't matter, different grips, highspeed guards, lights, lasers, optics etc etc...it all adds up to alot of stuff you MAY not even need or WANT. I've shot my rifle as often as possible since buying it and anyone here can tell you they never get to shoot enough.
What I'm trying to say is that looks and style don't equate to what a rifle is supposed to do: provide a "positive ballistic impact on target". If you can't shoot the damn thing, if you can't hit what you MEAN to hit, if you can't call EVERY shot because of a lack of training, all the pretty colors and bipods in the world won't help you.
Training can be as simple as developing a training plan or goal (LOTS of info on this site to help you with that), going to the old strip mine with a few magazines AND ammo, and following your plan. Firing rounds at random crap does nothing but build bad habits which can negatively effect the way you shoot, what you hit, and take away from your enjoyment of the exercise.
Now, about the rifle. You will LOVE the S&W M&P. I bought mine a few days after it came out (only one in the gunstore!), I paid $1350.00 for it, and haven't looked back. You are getting a deal on a great rifle for less than a grand, bro.
Good luck with it, keep your head, and STUDY what these gentlemen (and some women I believe) have to say on these forums. It is GOLD.
Stay safe and keep your head down...
Anchor
For everyone else, I stripped off the MOE handguards and put on a midlength rail with an FSP cutout, added Magpul's AFG, and promptly fainted from sheer happiness. That thing LOCKS in place now (relatively speaking). :D:D



Yea hopefully once my money get's here i will know by then. But the M&P def. looks amazing and from all the review's ive read it shoot's like it to. Thanks man and Thank you everyone else for all these nice replys. :)