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for anyone interested
http://www.centurionarms.com/
Mine should be here very soon. They are also shown in the latest Small Arms Review. They have been adjusted in height to work with flat top AR rails unlike the HK originals for the 416 which I have that are calibrated for the additional height of the 416's gas piston. I love diopter sights. I'll post some pics soon.
Thanks much to Centurian Arms for my 416 type iron sights that arrived today. Even saw a mini review in the new issue of Small Arms Review. The sights are outstanding and very well made.
While not everyone's cup of tea, I love HK diopter sights. Nice touch for me was the use of an open notch for the 100m rear. HK uses both notched and peep depending on the weapon system. My HK416 factory rear uses a peep for comparison sake.
They are shown on my primary carbine for pics sake but are intended for a new upper in the works. I will have to fiddle with optics as these sit much higher obviously than any folding BUIS. Great job and thanks again to the Centurian Arms guys.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/conndcj/centarms1.jpg
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The sights look great, But phillips head cross bolts????:confused:
The sights look great, But phillips head cross bolts????:confused:
They will work fine. Even the mighty HK originals are the same way. Loctite is your friend.:D
Hey just looking at the pics is the clamp portion on upside down??
I'm gonna say owning an HK sight tool that it comes with a phillips head driver and maybe thats the reason??
Hey just looking at the pics is the clamp portion on upside down??
I'm gonna say owning an HK sight tool that it comes with a phillips head driver and maybe thats the reason??
Hey Grinch, good eyes dude. Never "gunsmith" tired. Its really close and works fine but you are right.:eek:
They will work fine. Even the mighty HK originals are the same way. Loctite is your friend.:D
I hear ya, but a phillips head can be your worst enemy when trying to loosen a crossbolt that is secured on by Loctite. Im sure the phillips head bolt can be replaced with a hex or torx head bolt without too much trouble. I like the diopter rear sight, but I need to be able to remove and replace it to take complete advantage of my MRP's multi configuration capability. I would like to be able to remove my Tripower and rear BUIS easily (I like using a fixed BUIS) and mount a variable scope such as a 1-4x Nightforce or Shortdot. This diopter sight with a LaRue QD lever would be sweeet! Mark, ya listening???
Some more pics, a few through an Aimpoint. These are really nice sights.
http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b243/conndcj/centarms6.jpg
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It's looking like I'm going to have to pick some of these up for the Lightfighter Arrgh-15 lower I have sitting around. I've been waiting to build it up but these are giving me some motivation.
Is their any difference between these and the actual HK sights other than height?
Is their any difference between these and the actual HK sights other than height?
Very minor differences.
-100m setting on HK is a peep, on the CA it is a notch
-yellow markings HK, white CA
Same-
-Attach method
-Both take tritium insert front blade
-Both use HK sight adjustment tool
-quality materials and construction
I like them. I thought the fact that they are higher to match the front AR15 sight would be a bad thing, but they look right. I guess they'd give the same cheekweld as on a 416 because the rail height is greater on the 416. So, it would all even out.
Nice!
Price?
Rmplstlskn
07-17-06, 09:51
Phillips head & locktite = BAD
Almost every bolt on AR accessories are HEX... They need to standardize and go HEX.
Otherwise, they look great! How is the sight picture on a CARBINE length? Like it?
Rmpl
No, they need a large TORX. ;)
Phillips head & locktite = BAD
Almost every bolt on AR accessories are HEX... They need to standardize and go HEX.
Otherwise, they look great! How is the sight picture on a CARBINE length? Like it?
Rmpl
Again, not a big fan of phillips either but that is what HK uses because their sight adjustment tool has a phillips tip. And you need that tool to adjust these sights. Well, not need, but it makes it easy. Many iron sights are installed with slot heads like Troy and KAC.
Sight picture is awesome on the carbine. I'm going to try a LT BUIS with the 416 front to see how that works.
They are $235 shipped for the set. If you have to have the HK originals, they are $300 and are available elsewhere.
Hoplophile
07-17-06, 16:46
Again, not a big fan of phillips either but that is what HK uses because their sight adjustment tool has a phillips tip. And you need that tool to adjust these sights. Well, not need, but it makes it easy. Many iron sights are installed with slot heads like Troy and KAC.
Slot head isn't as good as Allen or Torx but it's better than Phillips. A poor fitting flathead screwdriver can ugly up the slot but a poor fitting Phillips will leave you with a cone shaped hole that is good for nothing except a center for the drill bit when you drill it out.
Again, not a big fan of phillips either but that is what HK uses because their sight adjustment tool has a phillips tip. And you need that tool to adjust these sights. Well, not need, but it makes it easy. Many iron sights are installed with slot heads like Troy and KAC.
Sight picture is awesome on the carbine. I'm going to try a LT BUIS with the 416 front to see how that works.
They are $235 shipped for the set. If you have to have the HK originals, they are $300 and are available elsewhere.
Got a link to where the real HK sights can be found by chance?
Cohiba, can you send me the same link?
:D
Cohiba, can you send me the same link?
:D
For you...of course not, not now, not ever.:p PM sent:D
Sorry to bring this thread back up, but what are the pros/cons between the HK style sights and normal AR peep sights?
variablebinary
08-09-06, 15:36
I would prefer fully shrouded personally, but I like the rear set alot. I suspect something like that will end up on my 556 when it arrives :D
Sorry to bring this thread back up, but what are the pros/cons between the HK style sights and normal AR peep sights?
HK-type sights Pros:
-The front sight post is ALWAYS centered in the ring, since all adjustments (windage and elevation) are done at the rear... That way when your eye naturally wants to make the circular front sight hood concentric with the circular rear aperture, your POA and POI have a good chance of coinciding
-Tritium front sight replacements are available (Trijicon and XS)
-Sights can not be bumped out of zero
-Sights have built-in elevation settings: 100, 200, 300, and 400 meters
HK-type sights Cons:
-Fine adjustment (zeroing) of the sights require special tools or a suitable replacement and craftiness
-All fasteners/adjustment screws are Phillips-head
I'm sure there are others, but those are all I can think of at the moment. I have a set that I'm running on an SBR, and I'm very happy with them so far (only have about 500 rounds on them however).
Hope this helps,
Clint
Thanks for the info. :cool:
variablebinary
08-09-06, 16:55
HK-type sights Pros:
-The front sight post is ALWAYS centered in the ring, since all adjustments (windage and elevation) are done at the rear... That way when your eye naturally wants to make the circular front sight hood concentric with the circular rear aperture, your POA and POI have a good chance of coinciding
-Tritium front sight replacements are available (Trijicon and XS)
-Sights can not be bumped out of zero
-Sights have built-in elevation settings: 100, 200, 300, and 400 meters
HK-type sights Cons:
-Fine adjustment (zeroing) of the sights require special tools or a suitable replacement and craftiness
-All fasteners/adjustment screws are Phillips-head
I'm sure there are others, but those are all I can think of at the moment. I have a set that I'm running on an SBR, and I'm very happy with them so far (only have about 500 rounds on them however).
Hope this helps,
Clint
I love being able to spot industry pros on this site. Where is my SCAR :p
Does anyone have a phone number for GRINCH????????? I'm having a bit of trouble with my order and need to talk with him. Please if any moderators or members here have his phone number, please give me an IM!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Bulldog1967
08-11-06, 13:02
So what pitch thread are the adjustment screws if one was wanting to substitue them with hex-head screws?
Also, what riser is reccommended for cowitnessing with an Eotech?
Thanks looks great
Shark--- got ya covered.
Bull dog-- these are the same height as standard AR sight so I'm not sure what riser would be needed but it would be the same one as all other AR sights.
Thanks
Grinch
Very interesting. I may just have to get a set!
Thanks Grinch, I appreciate it.
Good job bringing to market a piece of gear that should have been here a long time ago. Now if someone can convince you to make a front sight of the same design that takes a standard AR15 sight post. That way we can get the same sight picture with standard AR rear sights and not worry about not being able to adjust elevation!:D :D
LIL-COMMANDO
09-04-06, 16:41
They look great!!!! Because there on your Colt.. Do they sell the rear only if I am using the original A2 sights on the front? Will they cowitness with an aimpoint or Eotech without getn in the way?? I have a GG&G flip up sight but yours look very nice just wondering it it will work for me if I only want the rear.
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Hey grinch I trying to see if you still have any of the front sights in stock I need one bad.
SwatDawg15
05-11-09, 00:20
Subscribed,
Hey grinch I trying to see if you still have any of the front sights in stock I need one bad.
You do realize this thread is almost 3 years old?
Yes, but if he didn't unsubscribe he'll still get a notice via email.
If he has email notification on...
Hey it's a shot in the dark but I might as well try. I've tried two different emails, PM's and still no contact with him. I understand he's active so just I hope his alright.
I've got the HK style flip up rear from Brownells also very nice.
The_War_Wagon
05-11-09, 21:29
Since my OTHER black rifle is a PTR91, standardizing sights might be a good thing! :D
Stretz Tactical Inc
05-12-09, 07:19
I was thinking of getting a rear sight only. My eye cant always see the entire ring of the standard (large appeture) rear sight, it just disappears altogether or partially. I was thinking if I buy a CA rear sight, I could find one of the peaps that normally is set for given distances and use it for my 100 yard zero. Any thoughts?
Sorry to bring this thread back up, but what are the pros/cons between the HK style sights and normal AR peep sights?
I realy do like the concept of these sights, however I found one problematic issue when considering them.
I could not find/verify the availability of a Tritium front sight post for them. We know that most gunfights occure during hours of darkness, so a gun without night sights is just a range queen. I know we all have our red dots etc, but we still have iron's because we accept the optics may fail, so our irons must be night capable too.
I stuck with the Troy sights on my Noveske because I can and did put a Trijicon Tritium front sight post in mine.
Just my 2cent..
SinnFéinM1911
05-12-09, 19:40
for anyone interested
http://www.centurionarms.com/
I thought i knew a guy that was gonna send me a set .... BUT he left Niland a day early... :confused:
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