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Selwyn Duke is always good for a commentary:
http://selwynduke.typepad.com/selwyndukecom/2010/03/and-thats-all-he-has-to-say-about-that-tom-hanks-and-twisted-history.html
It's ok, Tom, I don't have to watch your series.
http://www.fox10tv.com/dpp/news/tom-hanks-controversial-war-comments
Tom Hanks controversial war comments
HBO miniseries "The Pacific” starts Sunday
Updated: Friday, 12 Mar 2010, 9:34 AM CST
Published : Thursday, 11 Mar 2010, 9:24 PM CST
Kip Raley
MOBILE, Ala. (WALA) - Tom Hanks is catching some flack after making some controversial comments to TIME magazine. Hanks was interviewed about the upcoming World War II miniseries "The Pacific”.
Hanks is on the cover of the magazine, which hits newsstands Friday. The article comes out just two days before the premiere of the HBO miniseries.
Hanks is an executive producer of the series. In his interview with TIME, Hanks said he wants Americans to understand the good and the bad of American history.
Hanks told the magazine, “Certainly, we wanted to honor U.S. bravery in 'The Pacific', but we also wanted to have people say, ‘We didn’t know our troops did that to Japanese people.’”
Hanks went on to say that he believes there are similarities between World War II and the wars in Iraq and Afghanistan.
“Back in World War II, we viewed the Japanese as ‘yellow, slant-eyed dogs’ that believed in different gods. They were out to kill us because our way of living was different. We, in turn, wanted to annihilate them because they were different. Does that sound familiar by any chance, to what’s going on today?” Hanks said.
When Hanks was asked about the miniseries earlier this week he said, “The war in the Pacific was a war of terror and racism, of suicide attacks. Both sides viewed the other side as being subhuman dogs from a civilization that didn’t recognize the advancement of human kind. Sound familiar? Sound like something that might be going on?”
The ten-part HBO miniseries starts Sunday. It highlights battles on Guadalcanal, Peleliu, Iwo Jima and Okinawa. Mobile natives Dr. Sid Phillips and the late Eugene Sledge are central characters in the series.
Huh, you mean like killing thousands of POW's? Or raping and slaughtering hundreds of thousands of Chinese in a captured city? Or genital mutilation? Or treating women worse than most people treat their dogs? Like bombing people because they believe only 90% of what you believe? Oh, sorry, Tom, I didn't mean to look at people like that as not recognizing the advancement of human kind.
Here's contact info:
http://famous-relationships.topsynergy.com/Tom_Hanks/Contact.asp
I haven't verified the contact info.
At least there's been a positive response:
http://www.atomicnerds.com/?p=3319
Alpha Sierra
03-15-10, 21:26
Another relativist libtard.
Forrest Gump was autobiographical.
GermanSynergy
03-15-10, 21:35
I shudder to think what would happen if we had to fight the Wehrmacht and the Imperial Japanese Army with our current "leadership". :rolleyes:
Would we see Democrats flying to Berlin to condemn American "imperialism", and praising Germany's health care system....
Not to in any way defend what he said, but my grandfather who served in the Pacific felt that way about Japanese people up till the day he died.
Not to in any way defend what he said, but my grandfather who served in the Pacific felt that way about Japanese people up till the day he died.
yeah...i have to concur with this...my grandfather was a Marine from 1938-1975...he too, um, felt very strongly about the Japanese
Not to in any way defend what he said, but my grandfather who served in the Pacific felt that way about Japanese people up till the day he died.
But, the point is, that is not the reason we went to war against the Japanese. They attacked us.
Would we see Democrats flying to Berlin to condemn American "imperialism", and praising Germany's health care system....
Actually, there were some significant Americans in the 1930s who did exactly that and urged Roosevelt to sign a neutrality agreement with Germany. Anyone remember Charles Lindbergh?
But, the point is, that is not the reason we went to war against the Japanese. They attacked us.
They attacked us because we provoked them to do so and gave them little alternative. We provoked them in an effort to disrupt and impair their ability to carry out brutal military aggression against other yellow people who couldn't defend themselves. The history of WWII did not start on December 7, 1941.
Hanks is a superficially thinking fool that mistakes dehumanizing one's enemy, in order to facilitate that enemy's destruction, with racism. If the US was "racist" against Asians, then how would Hanks explain the fact that we had other Asians as allies, for example the Chinese.
Hanks and the rest of the Hollywood retards need to understand that when one is in a killing war with an enemy, in a fight to the death, it is not conducive to one's survival, let alone victory, to view that enemy as a beautiful and luminous human being. Instead you see him as the dirty subhuman animal that he is, who will tear our head off, reach down the neck hole, and eat our heart raw.
War is kill or be killed, in the most graphic, lurid, crass, and uncivilized manner that one can think of, and if we should fight it thinking any differently, the enemy will be the one dancing on our carcass and rejoicing the killing of the infidel pig ape.
But, Hanks is a man, that, plays pretend. Kind of hard to take a man that makes a living playing as a child would, too seriously.
I don't know how wrong he is, most WW2 vets I've ever heard talk about it didn't think kindly of the Japanese people. And the Japanese didn't think kindly of us. Hell they where willing to kill their children from fear of the evil Americans. We did target and kill about 200,000 civilians (Don't see that happening ever again) so maybe they had some justification in that fear :D .
So I don't think we though to highly of them at the time. I'm pretty sure the same happens in every war, or else you wouldn't be at war.
It was a horrible war millions died and I'm sure all sides hated each other plenty.
rickrock305
03-16-10, 00:02
Hanks and the rest of the Hollywood retards need to understand that when one is in a killing war with an enemy, in a fight to the death, it is not conducive to one's survival, let alone victory, to view that enemy as a beautiful and luminous human being. Instead you see him as the dirty subhuman animal that he is, who will tear our head off, reach down the neck hole, and eat our heart raw.
i think thats all he was really saying.
rickrock305
03-16-10, 00:02
But, the point is, that is not the reason we went to war against the Japanese. They attacked us.
but he never said that was why we went to war.
the bit about racism...well there were Japanese internment camps here in the US.
Belmont31R
03-16-10, 00:09
Actually, there were some significant Americans in the 1930s who did exactly that and urged Roosevelt to sign a neutrality agreement with Germany. Anyone remember Charles Lindbergh?
I was going to say the same thing. We had (and still have) lots of communists and nazis in the US supporting our enemies, and wanting us out of the war. Communism wasn't really a dirty word and political position until the Cold War, and since that ended communism is becoming what it was in the 20's and 30's.... FDR was a huge socialist who was running rampant in the 30's instituting socialism in the US, and his failed policies were "bailed out" by WW2. Pretty much the entire 30's under FDR was a depression, and a couple recessions. The war on the Supreme Court, court packing, the new deal, Social Security Act, etc. A lot of the entitlement mentality comes from FDR's terms as president. But anyways there were huge open rallies around nazism (national socialists) and communism right in the streets. Read up on some old unions like the AFL-CIO.... a lot of these big unions came about from communist organizers trying to mass people together to push for "change". ACORN and SEIU are same thing different name and people.
In regards to Tom Hanks he is a typical liberal who will say and do anything to disparage people he doesn't like. Why "conservatives" toss money at these people is beyond me. I don't subscribe to HBO because its full of anti-America full on douche liberals. Check our Bill Maher on HBO. These are the types of people HBO employs. I wouldn't buy a cheese burger from a stand that had employees talking about how much America sucks and how we're all just racists for defending the country let alone pay them for entertainment.
The Pacific War was indeed tinged with racism on both sides, far more than the war in Europe. This has been widely acknowledged amongst historians for many years, it isn't some insult that Tom Hanks came up with.
xrayoneone
03-16-10, 00:33
The Pacific War was indeed tinged with racism on both sides, far more than the war in Europe. This has been widely acknowledged amongst historians for many years, it isn't some insult that Tom Hanks came up with.
You're right about that. The whole concentration camp thing had nothing to do with racism or bigotry.
Tom Hanks is an idiot. Anybody watch Greenzone? Makes you wish they failed when they saved Private Ryans dumbass.
Iraq Ninja
03-16-10, 00:39
Can you image our Government putting out these kinds of posters today?
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/d-day-invasion-20.jpg
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/89634312.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D0D2F28308762B3EC9444144B3937F18BE06965AB2CCCCB6C2
travistheone
03-16-10, 00:44
We shoulda used the big bomb earlier.
I thank the lord, everytime the atomic bomb comes up. I am alive today because of that bomb.
Both grand fathers served in WWII, one in the pacific, and one as a bombardier over germany and france.
A closed mouth gathers no foot. These celebs are movie stars, not political analysts or historians, so they should keep their opinion out of the public. No matter what they say, someone will be pissed.
dmancornell
03-16-10, 01:10
You're right about that. The whole concentration camp thing had nothing to do with racism or bigotry.
Tom Hanks is an idiot. Anybody watch Greenzone? Makes you wish they failed when they saved Private Ryans dumbass.
What kind of response is that? The concentration camps had nothing to do with the fighting war, they were creations of political terror.
There was plenty of racism going both ways in the Pacific war, and whoever instigated the conflict does not change historical fact. The racist rhetoric on both sides was encouraged by government propagandists for morale and financial reasons.
thopkins22
03-16-10, 01:15
Every single nation did horrible things during that war. The Germans, Americans, British, Japanese, Chinese, Russians, and so forth. We won so our terrible things are considered less terrible.:cool:
A couple of people mentioned the nuclear bombs, but let's not forget the firebombing...we too slaughtered hundreds of thousands of civilians and injured millions.
BTW...just because some actor says something doesn't make it worth listening to, nor does it automatically mean he thinks poorly of veterans nor those currently serving.
The article to me read like Hanks is trying to compare the Pacific theater of WWII to the war on terror today, mentioning suicide attacks. Modern jihadists are fanatics, as were the Imperial Japanese. The similarities really end there.
The part he said about racism however is true, and as a former serviceman, I don't think he is making a disparaging remark on them, or their service. He is simply acknowledging the line of thought of the time.
Our very own service was segregated, as was everything else in the country at home. Mind you, the War offered millions of jobs to women, and ethnic minorities, but that doesn't mean they were "accepted" as your average "white" Americans.
Like the Germans, the Japanese also thought they were the superior "race" in the East, and their cruelty to the people of the Asian nations they occupied is well known and documented.
It is true that there is a psychological tactic in dehumanizing the enemy with embellished physical/personality traits, slurs, and exaggerated caricatures in propaganda, but I would not doubt that these sentiments fell far from the mark even before the war started for Americans.
A racial type slur was derived for the enemy in all major subsequent wars (typing them would get me in trouble but think about Korea and Vietnam and you'll figure it out), and there is a term for the people in Afghanistan and Iraq today. In fairness, there was a term for the Germans too, and they were white. That term however doesn't resonate as strongly as terms for the Japanese for that reason in my opinion. Also, you can apply a lot more of the romanticism of WWII to the European campaign, whereas there was none at al in the Pacific.
I think we are all racist in some way, and that's fine, none of it bothers or offends me. There is however, "true racism", "friendly racism", and just being "situationally aware" given your environment, but I won't go into what I mean for the three to not hijack the thread.
QuickStrike
03-16-10, 04:10
Doesn't seem too out of hand to me? Not like it wasn't true. :rolleyes:
It is what it is.
Hate is some pretty important motivation, probably the only real emotion that is actually useful when you have to kill people.
Can you image our Government putting out these kinds of posters today?
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/d-day-invasion-20.jpg
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/89634312.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D0D2F28308762B3EC9444144B3937F18BE06965AB2CCCCB6C2
Hm. Replace "Jap" with "Muj" and I think it'd be spot on.
I don't think the Japanese encampment thing has anything to do with Tom's comments. He's talking about us wanting to wipe out a civilization because they are "different." Replace "different" with "brutal" and it would be a more accurate phrase.
The camps were out of fear of spies, not just as a reason to lock up someone who looked different.
geminidglocker
03-16-10, 09:20
I did'nt find his remarks insulting at all. When I signed up after 9-11, it was to avenge my country. My Grandfather, who fought in the Pacific, still hates the Japanese.
JBecker 72
03-16-10, 09:42
My Grandfather, who fought in the Pacific, still hates the Japanese.
yeah.
I know of a few guys who refused to purchase anything that was Japanese made or designed for a long time.
they basically caved once you didnt have much of a choice when everything electronic went to Asia.
they still wont touch a vehicle made outside of Detroit.
The term racism is being misused here. Racism is the belief that one race is inherently superior to another. I think most of you should be using "bigot" instead of racist.
Culture is something else altogether. Despite what they teach in school, some cultures ARE morally superior to others. I think culture is what most people notice and react to, NOT skin color.
Littlelebowski
03-16-10, 09:54
If he mentions both sides bigotry equally, I don't have a problem.
Hanks is a superficially thinking fool that mistakes dehumanizing one's enemy, in order to facilitate that enemy's destruction, with racism. If the US was "racist" against Asians, then how would Hanks explain the fact that we had other Asians as allies, for example the Chinese.
Hanks and the rest of the Hollywood retards need to understand that when one is in a killing war with an enemy, in a fight to the death, it is not conducive to one's survival, let alone victory, to view that enemy as a beautiful and luminous human being. Instead you see him as the dirty subhuman animal that he is, who will tear our head off, reach down the neck hole, and eat our heart raw.
War is kill or be killed, in the most graphic, lurid, crass, and uncivilized manner that one can think of, and if we should fight it thinking any differently, the enemy will be the one dancing on our carcass and rejoicing the killing of the infidel pig ape.
But, Hanks is a man, that, plays pretend. Kind of hard to take a man that makes a living playing as a child would, too seriously.
Phenomenally well said!
It amazes me how modern Westerners somehow believe that they can conduct war in a politically correct manner. That somehow you can kill on a mass scale without hate in a sterile antiseptic environment, and how a couple well placed smart bombs will substitute for boots on the ground. I have no doubt that the modern Western leadership (and I fear the people as well) would not have the resolve to do what was needed to win WWII.
I appreciate the efforts of Hanks in his work on Private Ryan and especially Band of Brothers, but one can not forget that no matter how noble his efforts here may seem, he is of that cast of people in Hollywood who's brains are infected with the mental illness of political correctness and moral equivalence and in the very pit of their hearts carry a deep hatred for the values this country was founded on. :(
The Pacific: Anatomy of a War ( HBO )
www.youtube.com/watch?v=dARSvPDoJag
Stanley Frankel ( 37th ID , Ohio NG ) discussing the end of the War in the Philippines:
www.frankel-y.com/tape017.htm
Belmont31R
03-16-10, 11:37
People are confusing racism with dehumanization which is a natural human reaction and coping mechanism to let your mind be at ease with what you are doing.
The war wasnt about them being asian, and us being mostly white. We cut off trade with them they needed because they were killing Chinese by the boat load. Read about the rape of manking if you want to know some of the crap they did in China. They comitted some of the most brutal acts of humanity the world has ever seen.
When we did go to war with them we dehumanized them. That means giving them dehumanizing names. You can't tell your troops you are going thousands of miles away to go kill people who pick daisies and drink wine over cheese sandwiches. We did the same thing to the Nazis. We called them krauts, jerries, etc.
But its not racist to give your enemy a name. The war was not because we're different races. We went to war because Japan retaliated against us for cutting off their oil they needed to keep killing Chinese, to keep raping little girls, and cutting fetuses out of pregnant women. The Japanese were SUBHUMAN in what they did in the 30's and 40's.
I did'nt find his remarks insulting at all. When I signed up after 9-11, it was to avenge my country. My Grandfather, who fought in the Pacific, still hates the Japanese.
You signed up after 9-11, to avenge their violence towards us. Then you see the way they treat women, etc in their culture, and it makes you despise them even more. You don't shoot them just because they are brown with a Turban on their heads, correct? I mean, aren't we fighting along side some Afghanis right now?
We don't fight them because we hate their culture. We fight them to protect ourselves and innocent people.
John_Wayne777
03-16-10, 12:00
Belmont is correct...
The Japanese were not loathed because they were little yellow people who prayed to a different god...they were loathed because they were loathsome. Whenever I've heard pacific vets refer to the Japanese the hatred they refer to was based concretely in some action...as in they lost a buddy to a Japanese soldier who pretended to surrender until he charged with a grenade, or because they executed prisoners in horrific ways, or because they saw the carnage Japanese soldiers left wherever they occupied.
The Chinese who managed to survive the horrors perpetrated by the Japanese beginning in 1937 loathe the Japanese to this day...not because of their ethnicity, but because of things like burying people alive or skewering small children with bayonets.
Hatred for the Japanese was rooted in their CONDUCT, not their racial identity or religious proclivities. To attribute it to anything else is, I maintain, a severe disservice to the men who fought in the pacific campaign. It is as much a disservice to them as it is to insist that we're currently occupied in the middle east because we don't like brown people who worship Allah.
We don't like people who try to blow us up...that they are brown and worship Allah is irrelevant except in that their worship happens to involve blowing us up or cutting off people's heads on video. Killing them is not an act of racism or Xenophobia...especially when we spend huge amounts of time and money trying to protect other brown people who worship Allah from the scumbags who are over there killing everybody.
People are confusing racism with dehumanization which is a natural human reaction and coping mechanism to let your mind be at ease with what you are doing.
After reading "They attacked us because we provoked them", I had the GD section of this board equal to ARFCOM. You comment has given me a bit of faith, though I think I had best stay in the weapon sections.
After reading "They attacked us because we provoked them", I had the GD section of this board equal to ARFCOM. You comment has given me a bit of faith, though I think I had best stay in the weapon sections.
If you're going to quote me, do me the courtesy of quoting me completely.
I didn't say that the provocation was without justification, but Japan did not simply come out of nowhere and attack Pearl that morning for no reason.
Eugene Sledge, one of the characters portrayed in The Pacific, mentioned extensively in Ken Burns The War, and author of With The Old Breed and China Marine was unapologetic about his feelings towards the Japanese.
"There is no 'mellowing' for me - that would be to forgive all the atrocities the Japanese committed against millions of Asians and thousands of Americans. To 'mellow' is to forget."
Sledge, Eugene (May, 2002). China Marine. University of Alabama Press. pp. 160.
I can understand his feelings. However when should those feelings end? Should we still hate the British for the war of 1812?
pilotguyo540
03-16-10, 18:48
Not to in any way defend what he said, but my grandfather who served in the Pacific felt that way about Japanese people up till the day he died.
My grandfather was a marine in the pacific and he hated the japanese as well. I suppose I would too if anyone tortured me that bad. The bamboo shafts in the penis thing would definately solidify hatred.
People tend to forget how ****ed up the japanese really were.
Imho, piss off gump
Belmont31R
03-16-10, 19:08
If you're going to quote me, do me the courtesy of quoting me completely.
I didn't say that the provocation was without justification, but Japan did not simply come out of nowhere and attack Pearl that morning for no reason.
They attacked us because they wanted us out of the picture, and we because we cut off the supplies they needed to continue their rape and murder of SW Asia.
They are looking to expand their empire, and saw us as a threat. That threat grew after we stopped sending them oil among other things. They saw us as building up our ability to counter their empire building, and Pearl Habor was the obvious target to end that threat. The goal was to take out our Pacific fleet, and leave us unable to do anything in that region.
In the 30's and 40's the Japanese were worse than barbarians. The things they did to the people they conquered were horrific, and it wasn't just isolated incidents. Its what they did. Their treatment of POW's included bayonet practice, beheading contests, vivisection, biological and chemical testing, etc. They committed mass rape of females in ages from INFANTS to the elderly. They forced families to commit incest, and then executed them afterward in grotesque ways. They mass murdered people by the tens of thousands everywhere they went. They killed the women they gang raped by sticking bamboo shoots into their abdomens through their vagainas. They were the worst of the worst. The Nazi's killed more because they were interested in efficiency in killing. The Japanese took pleasure in killing people in "imaginative" ways, science experiments, rape, etc.
Calling our war with them being about racism is shocking compared to what reality was under the Japanese. We fought along side many different Asian cultures fighting the Japanese. Racism? And then we're racists for fighting jihads? Using that argument you are forgiving the acts these people have committed against others. The whole world is not like the USA. I imagine if some of these elitists in Hollywood had to travel to places, and put their life on the line for more than the photo op charity event, where people would cut their head off if given the chance, where rape of little kids is normal, they might not have the simplistic and overtly stupid beliefs they hold.
GermanSynergy
03-16-10, 19:40
This is getting nuttier by the day...... What's next? Apologizing to the Germans for firebombing Hamburg & Dresden?
Cagemonkey
03-16-10, 20:58
During WWII America practiced segregation in some parts of the country and many of our population was racist. Thats just a fact. It shouldn't diminish the heroism of our WWII veterans. At that time, some form of racism, was more the norm. What's interesting is that the Japanese were even more racist. Look at the atrocities they committed on fellow asiatics like the Chinese, Koreans and also Okinawans. Never mind the treatment of Allied POW's who were predominantly white. Their atrocities went beyond killing and murder. They performed sadistic acts of cruelty, mutilation, rape and torture. For the Japanese, this behavior was condoned and in many cases promoted. Look at the Rape of Nanking. We American's weren't perfect, but had enough of a moral compass not to cross certain lines.
To this day, the Koreans still hate and distrust the Japanese. Last year I was in Seoul. They were having a massive student protest - against the Japanese. They are still demanding that Japan pay reparations for WWII.
Bottom line, all of this complaining of racism is just so much New Age introspective faggotry. I have had the honor of talking to quite a few WWII vets. Want to know what the national mood was like on December 7th 1941? Take how you felt on 9/11 and multiply it by 1000. It took men of enormous strength to do what need to be done to win WWII. Ever talk to a Marine flamethrower man? If it were not for men like this Tom Hanks would be sucking buttermilk through his ass.
Hanks and the rest of the apologists, appeasers, and shiftless thumbsuckers in Hollywood are only free to bad mouth veterans because 'we' have been doing what 'they' will not.
Sic semper tyrannis...
During WWII America practiced segregation in some parts of the country and many of our population was racist. Thats just a fact. It shouldn't diminish the heroism of our WWII veterans. At that time, some form of racism, was more the norm. What's interesting is that the Japanese were even more racist. Look at the atrocities they committed on fellow asiatics like the Chinese, Koreans and also Okinawans. Never mind the treatment of Allied POW's who were predominantly white. Their atrocities went beyond killing and murder. They performed sadistic acts of cruelty, mutilation, rape and torture. For the Japanese, this behavior was condoned and in many cases promoted. Look at the Rape of Nanking. We American's weren't perfect, but had enough of a moral compass not to cross certain lines.
This ^
Actually, segregation was the norm across the nation at that time. I'm Black and my recently deceased grandfather would tell me what it was like back then. I don't think many can fathom what he went through as did both of my parents and my older siblings. America was bitterly racist and like everything it is evolving. It takes time and I'm okay with that as it MUST take time.
And, yes, there were atrocities on ALL sides. Yes, American GIs did their fare share, too. And if you believe "they weren't capable" look at some of the still photos of lynched individuals down South then reconsider "what some were capable of".
However, it does NOT diminish the acheivements of the individual soldier. To think otherwise defies words. Courage is courage. Period. It applies to OUR soldiers as well as our "enemies". We've been fortunate (not lucky) to have greater natural resources, phenomenal national character and better training than our "enemies" thus far. And with God's assistance may it ever remain that way.
God Bless America
lawusmc0844
03-16-10, 23:09
I am 1st gen Chinese-American. Of course I was not alive during those days but my grandparents were, and just reading and learning about the Jap's brutality makes me despise them, just as much as I despise the towel-head extremists of today. In fact I see very little difference between them. I get sick and feel raging hatred when I read about their atrocities against my grandparent's generation. They deserved every little bit of revenge we gave them and way more. I tell everyone that you don't judge by RACE or SKIN COLOR, but by ACTIONS, IDEOLOGY. :mad:
I give Tom Hanks thumbs up for his work on the Band Of Brothers and The Pacific but sadly he seems to be just as misguided as the rest of the Hollywood sheep...
interesting debate
Bottom line, all of this complaining of racism is just so much New Age introspective faggotry. I have had the honor of talking to quite a few WWII vets. Want to know what the national mood was like on December 7th 1941? Take how you felt on 9/11 and multiply it by 1000. It took men of enormous strength to do what need to be done to win WWII. Ever talk to a Marine flamethrower man? If it were not for men like this Tom Hanks would be sucking buttermilk through his ass.
Hanks and the rest of the apologists, appeasers, and shiftless thumbsuckers in Hollywood are only free to bad mouth veterans because 'we' have been doing what 'they' will not.
this definitely resonates with me
one more thought along this line of thinking:
doesn't it strike you a bit revolting to have the likes of Hanks passing such harsh judgement on the American fighting men that had to fight in the absolute hell of a theater that was the South Pacific, against an enemy that used Chinese and Korean babies for bayonet practice?
it strikes me as self serving and self congratulatory narcissistic ego stroking on Hanks' part ("oh I'm so enlightened and morally superior to see the "true" motivation of our soldiers in their fight against the Japanese, they were just simple racists by God!) to see himself as such a high intellect and holder of the moral compass so as to pass such judgement and to dismiss and call into question the motivation of our fighting men in the Pacific, or anywhere else for that matter...ultimately I see it as self serving and superficial historical revisionism.
where there racist Americans? yeah, just as there were racist Japanese (and I'd argue the Japanese were more racist, based on the cruelty they showed)
did we dehumanize the enemy so that we may motivate ourselves to more easily kill him? sure, and again, and like others more eloquently described, it was a necessary psychological defense mechanism
did we fight WWII, especially the Japanese, because we were racists? now that's just plain idiotic, of course not
sorry that was a bit rambling (I'm watching Chelsea vs Inter Milan Champion's League!)
Bingo.
Loathsome conduct produces anger.
Belmont is correct...
The Japanese were not loathed because they were little yellow people who prayed to a different god...they were loathed because they were loathsome. Whenever I've heard pacific vets refer to the Japanese the hatred they refer to was based concretely in some action...as in they lost a buddy to a Japanese soldier who pretended to surrender until he charged with a grenade, or because they executed prisoners in horrific ways, or because they saw the carnage Japanese soldiers left wherever they occupied.
The Chinese who managed to survive the horrors perpetrated by the Japanese beginning in 1937 loathe the Japanese to this day...not because of their ethnicity, but because of things like burying people alive or skewering small children with bayonets.
Hatred for the Japanese was rooted in their CONDUCT, not their racial identity or religious proclivities. To attribute it to anything else is, I maintain, a severe disservice to the men who fought in the pacific campaign. It is as much a disservice to them as it is to insist that we're currently occupied in the middle east because we don't like brown people who worship Allah.
We don't like people who try to blow us up...that they are brown and worship Allah is irrelevant except in that their worship happens to involve blowing us up or cutting off people's heads on video. Killing them is not an act of racism or Xenophobia...especially when we spend huge amounts of time and money trying to protect other brown people who worship Allah from the scumbags who are over there killing everybody.
Anger's not he same as hate . Rage and disgust don't always need to have racial overtones.
Here's some info concerning the summary actions taken by the American unit that liberated Dachau concentration camp. The headline could have been worded in a more neutral way.
Warning : Not for kids eyes.
www.humanitas-international.org/archive/dachau-liberation/index.html
The US Army report concerning the incident was declassified in 1991.
Most of the article sticks to the documented facts. One of the active participants was quoted in a interview , years later:
"It was wrong , " Lee said recently , "But you had to have been there."
Belmont is correct...
The Japanese were not loathed because they were little yellow people who prayed to a different god...they were loathed because they were loathsome. Whenever I've heard pacific vets refer to the Japanese the hatred they refer to was based concretely in some action...as in they lost a buddy to a Japanese soldier who pretended to surrender until he charged with a grenade, or because they executed prisoners in horrific ways, or because they saw the carnage Japanese soldiers left wherever they occupied.
The Chinese who managed to survive the horrors perpetrated by the Japanese beginning in 1937 loathe the Japanese to this day...not because of their ethnicity, but because of things like burying people alive or skewering small children with bayonets.
Hatred for the Japanese was rooted in their CONDUCT, not their racial identity or religious proclivities. To attribute it to anything else is, I maintain, a severe disservice to the men who fought in the pacific campaign. It is as much a disservice to them as it is to insist that we're currently occupied in the middle east because we don't like brown people who worship Allah.
We don't like people who try to blow us up...that they are brown and worship Allah is irrelevant except in that their worship happens to involve blowing us up or cutting off people's heads on video. Killing them is not an act of racism or Xenophobia...especially when we spend huge amounts of time and money trying to protect other brown people who worship Allah from the scumbags who are over there killing everybody.
It's a good thing we built them the most advanced steel mills in the world after we nuked them. OH, MI, and PA economies have never recovered from that. But they deserved it... right?
Many of you are still misusing the word "racism."
Were we "racists" because we fought the hated (at the time) Germans? We called them Krauts. When another country attacks you, isn't it prudent to monitor the activities of people from the attacking country? If the danger is so great, it might even make sense to segregate them from the rest of the population.
Racism is the belief that one race is inherently SUPERIOR to another. I still say that much of what is considered racist yesterday and today, is in fact, dislike of another CULTURE. Not all cultures are morally equivalent. Some things SHOULD be disliked and discouraged by society.
Is it racist for me to dislike it when someone from another race plays his Rap music way too loud at the gas pump next to me? No, it is common courtesy to keep your music low and to a polite level that does not intrude into others space. These are common courtesy and cultural differences, not racist.
Is it OK for Muslims to stone women because they had an affair? Is it OK for Muslims to keep women from attending school past a certain grade? Is it OK for men to forcibly make women wear a black burka? Is it racist for us to disapprove of those cultural and religious differences such as these that differ from our own culture and religious practices?
Actually, there were some significant Americans in the 1930s who did exactly that and urged Roosevelt to sign a neutrality agreement with Germany. Anyone remember Charles Lindbergh?
Teddy and Johns' father actually openly admired Hitler.
I'll be happy to boycott Tom Hank's films henceforth.
organdonor
03-20-10, 16:38
He's right. You guys are hilarious and if you're arguing that there wasn't racism involved regarding either side you must be joking. Also, I don't get why people feel the need to rally against anyone who dares to speak a negative word against our servicemen; as if they're devoid of any negative characteristics. I might understand if they were all volunteers but they aren't. They're being paid to do a job like everyone else and many join for just that reason... they have nowhere else to go in life.
well My 2 cents My Grandfather Hated the "Japs" More than he Hated Blacks, Back then and He was in the KKK ,Not something I am Proud of and I have no use for them(dumbass Rednecks) .
But when I was training At FT KNOX a Lot of racial slurs where used for Haji .so whats the Big Deal .I hate the Towel heads ,A few of My Buddies have been killed Buy them.
Give me a chance with the Big Red Button and I would Make a parking lot Out of the Middle east.and as far a Tom Hanks go WHO THE HELL CARES .
Most Of what Us soldiers Fight for are so Dickheads Like him are able to Puke forth what every they want .we defend the right of every American to say and do what they want.So I just let it roll of My Back and Drive On RANT OFF :D Have a nice day
organdonor
03-20-10, 18:11
well My 2 cents My Grandfather Hated the "Japs" More than he Hated Blacks, Back then and He was in the KKK ,Not something I am Proud of and I have no use for them(dumbass Rednecks) .
But when I was training At FT KNOX a Lot of racial slurs where used for Haji .so whats the Big Deal .I hate the Towel heads ,A few of My Buddies have been killed Buy them.
Give me a chance with the Big Red Button and I would Make a parking lot Out of the Middle east.and as far a Tom Hanks go WHO THE HELL CARES .
Most Of what Us soldiers Fight for are so Dickheads Like him are able to Puke forth what every they want .we defend the right of every American to say and do what they want.So I just let it roll of My Back and Drive On RANT OFF :D Have a nice day
America and its soldiers can do no wrong :rolleyes: and rofl @ you calling the kkk ignorant rednecks only, a few sentences later, to claim that you'd nuke an entire race if you could.
yeah.
I know of a few guys who refused to purchase anything that was Japanese made or designed for a long time.
they basically caved once you didnt have much of a choice when everything electronic went to Asia.
they still wont touch a vehicle made outside of Detroit.
I live in southern Indiana near a HUGE toyota plant, and when toyota moved in quite a while back the local VFW turned their demilitarized tank around to face toward the plant:p I guess old feelings die hard eh? They made a stink of it but ultimately they got to keep it that way, its still a sign of old grudges I suppose. But realistically think about it, if you were in their shoes and you fought these people to the death, no matter how long ago it was, it'd be awfully damn hard to forgive em. I can't speak from experience but thats just my 2 cents
America and its soldiers can do no wrong :rolleyes: and rofl @ you calling the kkk ignorant rednecks only, a few sentences later, to claim that you'd nuke an entire race if you could.
An entire race eh? Well, when most of a race is consolidated in one region and they want you dead, its a kill or be killed game. Get over it.
organdonor
03-20-10, 21:10
An entire race eh? Well, when most of a race is consolidated in one region and they want you dead, its a kill or be killed game. Get over it.Link to your data showing that the majority of them want us dead? I'll be waiting.
America and its soldiers can do no wrong :rolleyes: and rofl ...
Where are all the rodents coming from? Did someone leave the back door open again?
Just one example of any military that has done more to establish freedom over the entire history of the planet would validate your concept, care to provide one?
organdonor
03-20-10, 21:27
Where are all the rodents coming from? Did someone leave the back door open again?
Just one example of any military that has done more to establish freedom over the entire history of the planet would validate your concept, care to provide one?You seem confused. What concept would I be trying to prove? I'm not arguing that there's a military out there better than ours. I hope no one's left the back door open... senile people like yourself tend to walk out of them and get lost.
I've had the opportunity to spend some time with Hollywood types over the past twenty-five plus years. I think you all are giving way to much credence to what Tom Hanks is reputed to have said. It wouldn't be the first time someone, anyone, has been misquoted or quoted out of context.
The vast majority of Hollywood types are not all that articulate outside their scripts, nor are they all that well educated. Very few have attended college, many are H.S. dropouts. A degree in theatre arts doesn't involve a lot of bookwork if you know what I mean. An actor needs to be able to do or say what he is told; not much else.
I think it better to judge Hanks on what he has done for veterans than from a few words in an interview and he has done quite a lot both personally and professionally as a director and as a producer to honor them.
You seem confused. What concept would I be trying to prove? I'm not arguing that there's a military out there better than ours. I hope no one's left the back door open... senile people like yourself tend to walk out of them and get lost.
It always seems to make those lacking of wit or substance appeased to ask if the others that corner them are confused. Such an old, used up tactic.
Anyway buddy, you chose to chime in on a thread that has spotlighted several disparaging comments about our military, none of which are deserved. Then you include comments that clearly implicate the wrong-doing of our troops as well, followed-up by juvenile words and gestures.
Your ridiculous statements and stance speak for themselves. I am only commenting on the obvious.
organdonor
03-20-10, 22:40
It always seems to make those lacking of wit or substance appeased to ask if the others that corner them are confused. Such an old, used up tactic.
Anyway buddy, you chose to chime in on a thread that has spotlighted several disparaging comments about our military, none of which are deserved. Then you include comments that clearly implicate the wrong-doing of our troops as well, followed-up by juvenile words and gestures.
Your ridiculous statements and stance speak for themselves. I am only commenting on the obvious.So is changing the subject. Which is exactly what you did. I haven't posted one cross word regarding our troops. What's ridiculous, even ludicrous, is the fact that some here are suggesting that racism never reared it's ugly head during WWII and they jump at the chance to boycott Hanks who dare claim that any person or persons enlisted in our military could ever be prejudiced(as though racism has never existed in America). I won't be spitting on any soldiers any time soon but I don't view most of them as heroes. They sign up for a job and get paid to do it; and I believe most of them do it in a perfunctory manner. No different than anyone else.
There is a difference between racism and hating your enemy. If fighting the green people from mars, I would hate them till they stopped trying to kill me, not because I have some preconceived notions about them or their race.
Also, words in use, although to the ignorant outsider might seem racist, often have no such feelings attached them. Some of you pussies are entirely too sensitive. Tuck your string in and move on.
Amen. Maybe we need to distribute some distilled water and a douche to some of these people to get the sand out of their vag:rolleyes:
organdonor
03-21-10, 00:40
Amen. Maybe we need to distribute some distilled water and a douche to some of these people to get the sand out of their vag:rolleyes:I find your replies hilarious as the majority of this thread is a bunch of other guys crying about a celebrity making a pretty unbiased comment regarding WWII.
America and its soldiers can do no wrong :rolleyes: and rofl @ you calling the kkk ignorant rednecks only, a few sentences later, to claim that you'd nuke an entire race if you could.
I guess you Missed the part I wrote about My Brothers in arms I trained with Dying because of the Scum You seem to stand up for .Yeah I would make a parking lot out of it and if you are implying I am a Dumbass redneck for that comment you Don't Know me so Don't try and Judge Me .
I take it you were never in the Military so your Thoughts really Mean Nothing to me , you Don't understand the way Soldiers think about each other and the things you will do to save your fellow Soldier.To bring the troops Back I would Do ANYTHING to that shit hole of the world including turning it into a Glow in the dark Play ground. You can disagree with what I say but personal attacks :rolleyes: Have a great Night and its not racism with me it is just pure HATE
I find your replies hilarious as the majority of this thread is a bunch of other guys crying about a celebrity making a pretty unbiased comment regarding WWII.
Exactly. I dont give a rats ass about Tom Hanks, or most any hollywood celeb that makes controversial statements or has his or her statement twisted to be controversial. Thats all hollywood is, controversy. I havent once commented on Hanks or his statement so **** off. Ive only commented on the apparent "Racism" some of our troops have against there enemy:rolleyes:
America and its soldiers can do no wrong :rolleyes: and rofl @ you calling the kkk ignorant rednecks only, a few sentences later, to claim that you'd nuke an entire race if you could.
The Japanese are not "an entire race", they are an entire culture. Yes an Asian culture, but culture is not synonymous with race.
Xenophobia and hatred of the Japanese during WWII, however indecorous (and necessary I would argue, as it was a time of war when we needed to kill the enemy, not extol his virtues), was not "racism".
After the war was won, Japan, divested of its death cult fascism and militaristic emperor worship, became an extremely important ally and trade partner, and there has been a great cultural exchange between Japan and the U.S. since the end of WWII, and a celebration of many very desirable and commendable characteristics of Japanese culture.
This should prove that the ill will against Japan and the Japanese culture during WWII was attached to their status as our enemy to the death, during that time.
There is a difference between racism and hating your enemy. If fighting the green people from mars, I would hate them till they stopped trying to kill me, not because I have some preconceived notions about them or their race.
Also, words in use, although to the ignorant outsider might seem racist, often have no such feelings attached them. Some of you pussies are entirely too sensitive. Tuck your string in and move on.
well said
organdonor
03-21-10, 01:22
well saidBeing a racist might seem racist to the casual observer too.
The Japanese are not "an entire race", they are an entire culture. Yes an Asian culture, but culture is not synonymous with race.
Xenophobia and hatred of the Japanese during WWII, however indecorous (and necessary I would argue, as it was a time of war when we needed to kill the enemy, not extol his virtues), was not "racism".
After the war was won, Japan, divested of its death cult fascism and militaristic emperor worship, became an extremely important ally and trade partner, and there has been a great cultural exchange between Japan and the U.S. since the end of WWII, and a celebration of many very desirable and commendable characteristics of Japanese culture.
This should prove that the ill will against Japan and the Japanese culture during WWII was attached to their status as our enemy to the death, during that time.
No doubt, look at how many japanese cars and electronics we consume and rely on. Not to mention there high quality steel and machinery (metal working etc)
Id say if we had such a hatred of them as a "RACE":rolleyes: we wouldnt have "kissed and made up" after we nuked them.
Well said too
organdonor
03-21-10, 01:24
No doubt, look at how many japanese cars and electronics we consume and rely on. Not to mention there high quality steel and machinery (metal working etc)
Id say if we had such a hatred of them as a "RACE":rolleyes: we wouldnt have "kissed and made up" after we nuked them.
Well said tooWe never hated black people either... because... they have rights and stuff now.
organdonor, ruffle someone else's feathers my friend, maybe you could team up with rickrock, Im surprised he hasn't chimed in yet. Im out.
Being a racist might seem racist to the casual observer too.
so if I hate a group of people =it is racism
If I am racist against a group of people-it is Hate
UGGHHHH It is like fighting with my tree hugging sister !!!!!!!!!!!:rolleyes:.
Have a good one Organdonor we will agree to disagree..Now where did I hide that red Button:D
We never hated black people either... because... they have rights and stuff now.
You are using a completely wrong analogy, therefore what you are saying is completely irrelevant.
Black, Caucasian, Asian = race
Nigerian, South African, Liberian, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc. = nationalities/cultures, not races
Iraq Ninja
03-21-10, 02:52
You are using a completely wrong analogy, therefore what you are saying is completely irrelevant.
Black, Caucasian, Asian = race
Well, even our current concept of race is not true on the genetic level. We are all just Homo sapiens sapiens. That is why I prefer not to use the term Race at all, except when describing animals taxonomically, but then again my degree is in Biology...
Anyhow, I just watched the show and didn't see any problems with it.
Black, Caucasian, Asian = race
I am interested in why you say "Asian" is a race. Why is it not divided further? Chinese are much different physically than Japanese, and both are much different than Thai, for example. It is not just cultural differences. The different people are much different physically.
This is not really the same with caucasian. A white can be from a English culture (UK, Australia, NZ, ZA, etc), a German culture (Germany, Switzerland, Austria), a Mediterranean or Iberian culture (Italy, Greece, etc or Spain, Portugal) or the stand by themselves French culture. Yet they are all caucasian.
Just wondering how you decided this.
I don't mean to start trouble here and I apologize for the thread drift but I do have a question for you guys.
How do you feel about non-muslims from Iraq and Afghanistan ? I understand we are the same skin color and look the same as them. The Afghanistan my parents grew up in looks and sounds nothing like what it has become in the last few decades. That part of the world is long dead and nothing left for them.
I still feel uneasy when others ask me of my descent.
Edit: I see you deleted your question, however it was not necessary. If you are a good man who respects others you have nothing to fear here in this forum. We have a variety of folks and it is a compliment that adds to the insights offered.
Well, even our current concept of race is not true on the genetic level. We are all just Homo sapiens sapiens. That is why I prefer not to use the term Race at all, except when describing animals taxonomically, but then again my degree is in Biology...
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Very good point. And I agree, discussing "race" is irrelevant. What matters is not one's race, but one's values, ideas, philosophy, etc.
I was just trying to delineate between "race" and culture/nationality. A caucasian can be brought up completely Japanese, or vice versa, as an obvious example.
organdonor
03-21-10, 15:18
You are using a completely wrong analogy, therefore what you are saying is completely irrelevant.
Black, Caucasian, Asian = race
Nigerian, South African, Liberian, Japanese, Korean, Vietnamese, etc. = nationalities/cultures, not racesI'm not going to argue semantics. My main point is that the Hanks quote posted is pretty unbiased(and accurate) IMO and I can't believe people are crying over it. Those are my two cents and I'm done with the thread.
I am interested in why you say "Asian" is a race. Why is it not divided further? Chinese are much different physically than Japanese, and both are much different than Thai, for example. It is not just cultural differences. The different people are much different physically.
This is not really the same with caucasian. A white can be from a English culture (UK, Australia, NZ, ZA, etc), a German culture (Germany, Switzerland, Austria), a Mediterranean or Iberian culture (Italy, Greece, etc or Spain, Portugal) or the stand by themselves French culture. Yet they are all caucasian.
Just wondering how you decided this.
I am not a geneticist/biologist (Iraq Ninja jump in please if necessary) so I may put my foot in my mouth, but here it goes.
I called it a race based on the traditional historical categorization of the races as being either: Caucasoid, Negroid, and Mongoloid, or in more modern language, Caucasian, Black, Asian/Oriental.
But as Iraq Ninja pointed out, genetically speaking even these categorizations of race aren't accurate or very useful. Homo Sapiens are genetically Homo Sapiens, whether black, white or oriental (now a days a politically charged term, but traditionally there was the West, or occident, and the East, or orient).
Anyway there are pretty distinct and obvious differences in observable physical characteristics (phenotypic differences) based on the variability of genetics. This is why all Homo Sapiens don't all look the same. And even within a given race there are differences, which is why whites, asians, and blacks don't all look the same.
But, some "races" have more genetic and phenotypic variability then others. Phenotypically, for example, this is why there are red haired, blond haired, brown haired, black haired, light skinned, darker skinned, blue eyed, brown eyed Caucasians, but Asians from the race historically called Mongolic only have black hair and black eyes (Chinese, Thai, Japanese, Korean, etc.).
Anyway, again, I agree with Iraq Ninja, we are all Homo Sapiens, and I see any phenotypic differences between people, or between what have been traditionally called the 3 basic races in the same light as I view hair, skin, or eye color, in other words, as having no consequence whatsoever.
The topic is not without its complications but I think that the original point remains, that there is a difference between what we traditionally consider race, and nationality or culture. And I am arguing that that distinction is a big one to make because it underlines the fact that what matters is not the "race" but the ideals, values, and philosophy that a specific culture holds, not its race. Furthermore, criticizing the practices and precepts of a particular culture, especially if that culture traditionally belongs to a different "race", should not be automatically be decried as "racism".
http://newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/07/06/tom-hanks-new-welcome-back-veterans-ad-0
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/worldnews/article-1257488/Tom-Hanks-comforts-overcome-war-veteran-heroism-inspired-TV-series-The-Pacific.html
http://blogs.knoxnews.com/fredbrown/2009/06/tom_hanks_with_wwii_veterans_o.html
http://movies.about.com/cs/hankstom/a/tomhanks020504.htm
usnews.com/blogs/washington-whispers/2009/10/26/tom-hanks-to-give-veterans-a-uso-style-tribute.html
parishioner
03-21-10, 17:16
They were out to kill us because our way of living was different. We, in turn, wanted to annihilate them because they were different. Does that sound familiar by any chance, to what’s going on today?”
Tom says we, in turn, wanted to annihilate Japan because they were "different". If the definition of "different" entails Japan decimating our Pacific fleet and killing 2300 servicemen and civilians, then he is spot on.
Tom says we, in turn, wanted to annihilate Japan because they were "different". If the definition of "different" entails Japan decimating our Pacific fleet and killing 2300 servicemen and civilians, then he is spot on.
Exactly and thank you for bringing the convrsation back on topic. I've blabbed too much on this already so I'll zip it after this, but your point is exactly the gist of it all.
Hanks made a comment that was just silly, naive, historically ignorant and devoid of any understanding of context. I think he must have only been trying to score points with the libs or trying to justify making a series that may be seen by some as glorifying war, cause he can't be as daft so as to think that the only reason we fought the Japanese was cause they were "different", I mean really Hanks?
But maybe he's right, US soldiers should have been in awe at the luminous and beautiful Japanese culture during one of their Banzai charges instead of thinking "I'm gonna kill those dirty Japs". At least that way they would have held Hank's idea of the moral high ground as they got rolled and met their maker.
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organdonor
03-21-10, 22:41
Tom says we, in turn, wanted to annihilate Japan because they were "different". If the definition of "different" entails Japan decimating our Pacific fleet and killing 2300 servicemen and civilians, then he is spot on.
And do you believe that Japan attacked us unprovoked and only because we were "different"? If so, I think you might need a history lesson.
parishioner
03-21-10, 23:05
And do you believe that Japan attacked us unprovoked and only because we were "different"? If so, I think you might need a history lesson.
I think you need to make like a tree.
Ok, I see now. Japan about to invade the oil-rich dutch indies to further expand their economic and territorial empire subsequently forcing us to place an iron and oil embargo on Japan is justifiable grounds for an attack on our pacific fleet. Gotcha.
The Japanese knew that taking what is now Indonesia would mean war with the U.S. They were sick of being dependent on foreign oil hence part of their reasoning for trying to take over all of southeast Asia. They also believe the Yamato race was superior and had a sacred mission to rid Asia of the white westerner.
I guess thats the advantage of having the National World War II Museum 20 minutes from your house.
And do you believe that Japan attacked us unprovoked and only because we were "different"? If so, I think you might need a history lesson.
Provoked? Not in a real sense. Maybe in a modern day PC excuse sense. Japan was fighting in China (which Japan started) and America was quite pacifist and put an embargo on Japan. Japan had the free choice to choose what to do and how to respond to international pressure. Japan chose unwisely. Japan was ruled at the time by a heavily militarized caste and felt that they were superiors to others. To a certain extent, this is still true. Japanese look down on Koreans and Chinese and other Asians. It is less overt, but still true. (My wife is Japanese Korean -- Korean ancestors who moved to Japan a few generations ago so she was born and raised there, and was raised Japanese, only spoke Japanese at home, and considers herself Japanese unlike other Japanese Koreans who speak Korean at home, go to special Korean schools, etc. -- and she told me a lot about discrimination and how the Japanese look down on the Korean and Chinese heritage people who live there and how it is harder to get certain jobs, etc. It influenced her decision to come to the US back in the 90s and she is now a US citizen. Her sister married a Japanese guy (turned out to be a jerk and they are now divorced) and he told her to not tell any of his relations at the reception etc that she was actually Japanese Korean)
It is not the same thing as tying a dog up in the yard and throwing things at it and spraying its eyes with Vinegar water and then being surprised when the dog jumps on your and bites you when you let it go. That is a provocation.
organdonor
03-21-10, 23:18
I think you need to make like a tree.
Ok, I see now. Japan about to invade the oil-rich dutch indies to further expand their economic and territorial empire subsequently forcing us to place an iron and oil embargo on Japan is justifiable grounds for an attack on our pacific fleet. Gotcha.
The Japanese knew that taking what is now Indonesia would mean war with the U.S. They were sick of being dependent on foreign oil hence part of their reasoning for trying to take over all of southeast Asia. They also believe the Yamato race was superior and had a sacred mission to rid Asia of the white westerner.
I guess thats the advantage of having the National World War II Museum 20 minutes from your house.Well I'll be a monkey's Uncle if that's not why we're in Iraq.
oriental (now a days a politically charged term, but traditionally there was the West, or occident, and the East, or orient).
Actually this is only a politically charged term to western (predominantly white) liberal college professors and their wannabes. My Yale graduate sister and her Yale graduate husband professor (both are PhDs) had to clue me in to it as I had not heard of it before them telling me.
My wife is Asian (Japanese Korean, now a US citizen). We shop at asian stores, etc. The one we like best is "The Oriental Store" or something every similar with the word "Oriental" in it.
The company that actually owns and runs the Disney Land complex in Tokyo is called The Oriental Land Company (or something very similar to it)
A Chinese language newspaper in Hong Kong is called the Oriental Daily News.
I hear the word "Oriental" all the time from Asians and no one cares. Only the stuck up liberal white intelligentsia care about the word.
Asians from the race historically called Mongolic only have black hair and black eyes (Chinese, Thai, Japanese, Korean, etc.).
Actually black hair and brown eyes.
Well I'll be a monkey's Uncle if that's not why we're in Iraq.
Then you must be a monkey's uncle. The evidence is overwhelmingly against the notion that we went to Iraq for oil.
We have not appropriated one drop as far as is known, nor have we forced them to sign exclusive contracts or in any way ensured our oil supply through the maneuver.
We have poured more money in to Iraq than any oil we could get out and the Iraq war also caused oil prices to sky rocket for a while which only harmed our economy.
Well I'll be a monkey's Uncle if that's not why we're in Iraq.
Needs text in body of message.
Well I'll be a monkey's Uncle if that's not why we're in Iraq.
Weren't the Japanese occupying Iraq also?
I'm confused, are you supporting George Bush's war of terror against Saddam Hussein, a man of peace, grace and nobility?
parishioner
03-21-10, 23:43
Well I'll be a monkey's Uncle if that's not why we're in Iraq.
My professors tell me that when dealing with someone with a disturbed sensory perception (delusions of grandeur) not to challenge but to accept and support the clients feelings underlying the delusion. So Ill try out my therapeutic response:
"I know you are feeling frustrated and it must be hard on you that nobody ever listens to your brilliant view points on past and current world affairs, but its ok, the staff is here to help."
How was that?
My professors tell me that when dealing with someone with a disturbed sensory perception (delusions of grandeur) not to challenge but to accept and support the clients feelings underlying the delusion. So Ill try out my therapeutic response:
"I know you are feeling frustrated and it must be hard on you that nobody ever listens to your brilliant view points on past and current world affairs, but its ok, the staff is here to help."
How was that?
How uplifting, Im feeling better all ready:D Please do go on about how you agree that bush is a tyrant out for oil too, I need more positive reinforcement:p
Tom says we, in turn, wanted to annihilate Japan because they were "different". If the definition of "different" entails Japan decimating our Pacific fleet and killing 2300 servicemen and civilians, then he is spot on.
For the record, I agree with this. I acknowledged that we lived in a segregated society based on race in my first post, but I completely disagree that that is the reason we went to war with Japan. Hanks is a buffoon if that is his reasoning for our actions.
That MAD scan is hilarious and true.
John_Wayne777
03-22-10, 07:19
Well I'll be a monkey's Uncle if that's not why we're in Iraq.
Congratulations on making one of the stupidest posts I've ever read on this website.
I have a splendid idea:
If you value your ability to participate on this site you should refrain from in any way equating the Japanese in World War II with ongoing efforts by our forces in Iraq or anywhere else. The many members of our site who are active participants in those fights now, or who shed blood and lost brothers in those fights, deserve FAR better than to be maligned by some jackass on this forum.
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These deserve a re-post. Brilliant stuff.
And as ridiculously funny as they are, we actually have someone here...taking active (or is it pro-longed?) part in this discussion...who essentially reads the right column as fact.
If it wasn't so insulting and abhorrently disrespectful, it would at least be even funnier than the comics themselves.
organdonor
03-22-10, 10:53
Congratulations on making one of the stupidest posts I've ever read on this website.
I have a splendid idea:
If you value your ability to participate on this site you should refrain from in any way equating the Japanese in World War II with ongoing efforts by our forces in Iraq or anywhere else. The many members of our site who are active participants in those fights now, or who shed blood and lost brothers in those fights, deserve FAR better than to be maligned by some jackass on this forum. Man... that one sure got you angry. We're there and no WOMD have ever been found. What do you suppose the reason is? To finish the job that GB I started and then backed out of leaving the Kurds to take the full force of Saddam's retribution(I'd actually like to believe this...)? Only time will tell but I am fairy certain that we've secretly gained something from this invasion(oil being the cherry on top). It won't be today and it won't be tomorrow and if you think that our plan is to roll up in there and start sucking up all of their oil then I fear you underestimate just how cunning the guys in charge are.
Also, if you can point me in the direction of a single cross word I've said against our troops, I'll apologize for it. You wont find one because I haven't... and I won't. I have nothing against our troops... they get paid to fight where they're told.
organdonor
03-22-10, 11:00
These deserve a re-post. Brilliant stuff.
And as ridiculously funny as they are, we actually have someone here...taking active (or is it pro-longed?) part in this discussion...who essentially reads the right column as fact.
If it wasn't so insulting and abhorrently disrespectful, it would at least be even funnier than the comics themselves.Please show me where I've been disrespectful toward our troops. I think we have another confused one here...
John_Wayne777
03-22-10, 11:02
Man... that one sure got you angry.
Maligning the service of our armed forces generally does.
Also, if you can point me in the direction of a single cross word I've said against our troops, I'll apologize for it. You wont find one because I haven't... and I won't. I have nothing against our troops... they get paid to fight where they're told.
You put our involvement in Iraq on the same plane as the Japanese aggression that led to our involvement in World War II.
Anybody who knows the history of the Japanese empire...and the way Japanese troops behaved in pursuit of that empire...would be horrified that you put them anywhere near the same plane as our troops and our mission.
So knock it off.
Also, I don't get why people feel the need to rally against anyone who dares to speak a negative word against our servicemen; as if they're devoid of any negative characteristics. I might understand if they were all volunteers but they aren't. They're being paid to do a job like everyone else and many join for just that reason... they have nowhere else to go in life.
Is this the example you were looking for? Want to see another?
organdonor
03-22-10, 11:07
Maligning the service of our armed forces generally does.
You put our involvement in Iraq on the same plane as the Japanese aggression that led to our involvement in World War II.
Anybody who knows the history of the Japanese empire...and the way Japanese troops behaved in pursuit of that empire...would be horrified that you put them anywhere near the same plane as our troops and our mission.
So knock it off.I can tell you're one of those guys who got angry when Ron Paul suggested that our foreign policy might have been a contributing factor to the attacks in 2001.
Anyway, I'm done here. This is why I refuse to talk politics with people anymore; everyone ends up getting angry.
Anyway, I'm done here. This is why I refuse to talk politics with people anymore; everyone ends up getting angry.
Making inflammatory, factually baseless statements will do it every time.
Goodbye.
John_Wayne777
03-22-10, 12:12
Is this the example you were looking for? Want to see another?
I hadn't seen that quote. Your post gave me cause to review the rest of his posts in the thread, a couple of which were unacceptable.
Unfortunately mods and staffers don't see everything that is written. If you see some jackass who posts stuff like that by all means shoot one of the mods or staffers a PM and ask them to take a look at it.
For anyone else who feels the need to insist that our troops are going "nowhere" in life, I strongly suggest that you read what is posted in the tacked thread in this forum regarding discussions related to law enforcement and the military:
https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=39293
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Threads or posts that bash law enforcement and/or the military...or that even get close to bashing...WILL NOT BE TOLERATED on M4Carbine.net.
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Thank you.
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CarlosDJackal
03-22-10, 14:11
...I might understand if they were all volunteers but they aren't. They're being paid to do a job like everyone else and many join for just that reason... they have nowhere else to go in life.
This has got to be THE MOST IGNORANT post I have ever seen outside of TOS!! Unless the Draft was re-instituted right under our own noses, anyone who is currently wearing a military uniform VOLUNTEERED to do so (just like me).
I'm not even going to address the "nowhere else to go in life" comment. What a schmuck!! :rolleyes:
Last night's episode was certainly more proof that it will be nothing more than a bunch of leftist anti-American propaganda.
parishioner
03-22-10, 14:21
Last night's episode was certainly more proof that it will be nothing more than a bunch of leftist anti-American propaganda.
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO. Don't tell me this. What did you notice? I plan on watching it later tonight.
Well I'll be a monkey's Uncle if that's not why we're in Iraq.
http://i243.photobucket.com/albums/ff93/stratocaster81/WTF%20Expando/WTFexpandoGIF.gif
So.... are we in A-stan for the poppy? Should I be expecting my poppy seed bagels to go down in price now?
We have oil in the US. I thought you conspiracy theorists said the reason we won't drill here is because the NWO needs us to be dependent on foreign oil to create their one world govnerment? So how would us robbing Iraq of their oil fit into that scheme? And how much oil did we get from Iraq? How much?
Oh..... I guess he won't be answering.
But, the point is, that is not the reason we went to war against the Japanese. They attacked us.
Hanks never says that we "went to war" to serve a racist (or imperialist, or other -ist) goal. The only statement he makes regarding the US is "[b]oth sides viewed the other side as being subhuman dogs from a civilization that didn’t recognize the advancement of human kind."
This is somewhat factually correct, as borne out in propaganda of the era.
Whether that was just standard war propaganda ("Germans drink baby blood" circa World War I, etc.) or a deeper impulse ("Jews drink baby blood" circa any time in the last 1500 years) is a more difficult question to answer.
Anti-Japanese sentiment was certainly thriving in the US prior to the war, and blossomed at the outset of the war (concentration camps). My grandfather was in the Pacific and didn't hold onto any ill feeling as far as I know, but my grandmother grew up in the Bay Area and apparently held on to some anti-Asian feeling until she died.
Is part 2 online anywhere?
Actually this is only a politically charged term to western (predominantly white) liberal college professors and their wannabes. My Yale graduate sister and her Yale graduate husband professor (both are PhDs) had to clue me in to it as I had not heard of it before them telling me.
My wife is Asian (Japanese Korean, now a US citizen). We shop at asian stores, etc. The one we like best is "The Oriental Store" or something every similar with the word "Oriental" in it.
The company that actually owns and runs the Disney Land complex in Tokyo is called The Oriental Land Company (or something very similar to it)
A Chinese language newspaper in Hong Kong is called the Oriental Daily News.
I hear the word "Oriental" all the time from Asians and no one cares. Only the stuck up liberal white intelligentsia care about the word.
Actually black hair and brown eyes.
Thanks for the correction.
And I'm glad to hear that people from the Orient don't mind the word Oriental. I always thought that "the Orient" was more specific when describing, well, the Orient, than the more general term "Asia" that describes the whole continent, and denoted something exotic and interesting. Leave it to the PC police to ruin a perfectly good word.
And do you believe that Japan attacked us unprovoked and only because we were "different"? If so, I think you might need a history lesson.
I see, the Japanese attacked us because we provoked them, just as the jihadis attacked us because we provoked them also. Ok so the conclusion is that it is always America's fault. Check, I got it. :rolleyes:
Thanks for the correction.
And I'm glad to hear that people from the Orient don't mind the word Oriental. I always thought that "the Orient" was more specific when describing, well, the Orient, than the more general term "Asia" that describes the whole continent, and denoted something exotic and interesting. Leave it to the PC police to ruin a perfectly good word.
This reminds me of the myth that Mexicans prefer to be called "Hispanics." They do not. That would be similar to calling a white person from America, a "Caucasian", instead of an American. Mexicans are very proud of their country and proud to be called Mexican. Also, they prefer to be called Mexican to differentiate themselves from some other Hispanic countries that most Mexicans do not think much of.
In case you're wondering, I have asked Mexicans what they want to be called and this is what they tell me.
Can you image our Government putting out these kinds of posters today?
http://static.howstuffworks.com/gif/d-day-invasion-20.jpg
http://cache4.asset-cache.net/xc/89634312.jpg?v=1&c=NewsMaker&k=2&d=77BFBA49EF878921CC759DF4EBAC47D0D2F28308762B3EC9444144B3937F18BE06965AB2CCCCB6C2
I don't think the rest of the world realize the true shitstorm that the European/American people are capable of bringing one we reach a certain point!! As the population expands and resources become more and more scarce we're seeing a definite polarization of like peoples across the globe and I don't see it getting any better.
While America at that time was isolationist and loathe to get involved in any foreign war, it was also xenophobic, and much more racial. Japanese and Chinese Americans had been subject to racial stereotypes, ugly discrimination and yellow peril laws beginning long before WWII or the Japanese atrocities commited in China and elsewhere. That's a historical fact.
Once war did break out, American propaganda at least in the early stages exploited and fanned that bigotry to the maximum, as we also did to Germans and German Americans in WWI. In fairness, the Japanese militarist structure and probably large numbers of their civilian population were every bit as bigoted towards the rest of world; and their military was exceptionally brutal to the peoples they conquered and to POW's, which fueled attitudes into all out hatred. Contrasting that, many American soldiers were shocked and heartsick by the sight of Japanese women and children who were starving or who threw themselve off cliffs.
Though the immediate trigger was Pearl Harbor, understanding the full context of our involvement in the war necessarily includes this historical background.
No immigrant group prospered quicker or more regularly than the Japanese here. Their old world work ethic was absolutely balls-out kick-ass. Getting sucker punched at Pearl Harbor and the Philippines really drove the country nuts, it must have been like Amish flying airplanes into skyscrapers. We liked Japan so much that when they essentially told us the oil sanctions over their brutality in china meant war, we still didn't believe they were going to actually start a shooting war with us.
No immigrant group prospered quicker or more regularly than the Japanese here. Their old world work ethic was absolutely balls-out kick-ass. Getting sucker punched at Pearl Harbor and the Philippines really drove the country nuts, it must have been like Amish flying airplanes into skyscrapers. We liked Japan so much that when they essentially told us the oil sanctions over their brutality in china meant war, we still didn't believe they were going to actually start a shooting war with us.
Umm, the Japanese Imperial Military were not exactly the Amish. While we had good diplomatic relations through the 1920's, by the 1930's that deteriorated rapidly and by 1938 or so everyone knew war was coming though some tried to live in denial. That's why the fleet was moved to Pearl Harbor. Within the Navy some objected because they felt the move would unnecessarily expose the fleet to Japanese naval strength. Though most probably assumed battleship engagements, Billy Mitchell thought the threat was a Japanese attack on Pearl and predicted this in his well known report. On the west coast, picketers blocked scrap iron going to Japan and longshoremen refused to load freighters. One of the arguments was that the Japanese were preparing to send the iron back to us. The only surprise to the public was the way the war started, not the war itself.
Moose-Knuckle
03-24-10, 11:40
I haven't read this thread in it's entirety...
With that said, **** Tom Hanks!
Tommy! I've already seen about a dozen great movies about the Pacific theater in WW II. How about some equally produced epics about the incredible professionalism and heroism of the current Long War fought by the 100% volunteer Greatest Generation against the most savage and barbaric bastards to breath outside of orks?
http://selwynduke.typepad.com/selwyndukecom/2010/03/and-thats-all-he-has-to-say-about-that-tom-hanks-and-twisted-history.html
Tommy! I've already seen about a dozen great movies about the Pacific theater in WW II. How about some equally produced epics about the incredible professionalism and heroism of the current Long War fought by the 100% volunteer Greatest Generation against the most savage and barbaric bastards to breath outside of orks?
Here's a start :
www.michaelyon-online.com
Might want to check out books by Bing West as well. Starting with 'The Strongest Tribe".
Both guys offer plenty of antidote for stupid extremist bullshit.
Here's a start :
www.michaelyon-online.com
Might want to check out books by Bing West as well. Starting with 'The Strongest Tribe".
Both guys offer plenty of antidote for stupid extremist bullshit.
That is such an amazing site.
thopkins22
03-26-10, 14:55
Bing West's book is fantastic. The left and the right could both learn a lot from it. Pretty much the definitive read on the war in Iraq both good and bad.
yeah...i have to concur with this...my grandfather was a Marine from 1938-1975...he too, um, felt very strongly about the Japanese
I won't judge - I have no idea how I'd feel about people that tried to kill me. If I went through what our soldiers and sailors in WW2 went through, I may not be able to "forgive and forget" either.
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