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For all the moron "conservatives" that stayed at home or voted for a democrat during the 2006 or 2008 elections to "teach the republicans a lesson", this is where we are at right now.
We are 3/4 on the way to socialized medicine and on a fiscal path we cannot sustain.
Amnesty for illegals is next. Then cap and trade, and then gun control.
Do you really think we would be at this point if McCain was president or the republicans still had control of atleast half of congress?
rifleman2000
03-23-10, 12:23
I voted McCain.
Having said that, he was terrible candidate and he would have continued the trend of being "moderate" and eroding the republican grassroots support of conservatives. This would have eventually set the stage for a future takeover by liberals.
Better have the confrontation now than later. It is historically inevitable. The constitutional challenge to this bill can break the democrats. And let's not be all doom and gloom. The liberals cannot openly usurp the constitution safely, something they will have to do evenutally to achieve their goals. They are working close to it, but it is still a live wire for them to touch.
Once they decide the consitution is obsolete, and actively try to remove it as our governing law, then we shall see.
I'm hoping enough sheeple wake up in 2010 to put Republican majorities in the House and Senate. Next, 2012 and get a Republican elected POTUS. At that point maybe they could repeal the healthcare reform measures( at least parts of it) and undue some of the damage.
Belmont31R
03-23-10, 13:23
McCain was a terrible candidate. Shares many of the same values as Obama including entitlement spending, amnesty, dealing with terrorists, etc.
I did vote for him but I still see him as an Obama lite.
I will not vote for Romney if he is the candidate in 2012. He instituted mandatory health care in MA as well as their AWB. He is another big government statist. If we are going to go left Id honesty rather do it quickly, and then have a real fight on our hands. Electing people like McCain just means instead of a quick stab to the heart we die of a thousand cuts. The sooner they crash and burn the country the sooner we can get things back on track.
In a way having the democrats in charge with a far left president is a blessing because now people can see what these people are really about, and what electing democrats gets the country. In as much as people are against this health care fiasco they are against amnesty, too, and its going to be a hot and heated summer. The country has never been so tuned in to what the government is doing, and most people are pissed. Even democrats are pissed. Not only are democrats alienating their own base but they are alienating moderate dems, independents, and the right is hugely pissed off.
Lets just hope republicans dont **** it up like they did last time, and get to work fixing our fiscal problems, dumb down this health care bill, and take some conservative values for once. If they don't....the game is just going to repeat itself over and over.
Belmont31R
03-23-10, 16:08
McCain's bill that would allow US citizens to be placed in custody indefinitely: http://www.govtrack.us/congress/billtext.xpd?bill=s111-3081
Yep....I can't imagine why people weren't throwing themselves at McCain...:rolleyes:
SEC. 5. DETENTION WITHOUT TRIAL OF UNPRIVILEGED ENEMY BELLIGERENTS.
An individual, including a citizen of the United States, determined to be an unprivileged enemy belligerent under section 3(c)(2) in a manner which satisfies Article 5 of the Geneva Convention Relative to the Treatment of Prisoners of War may be detained without criminal charges and without trial for the duration of hostilities against the United States or its coalition partners in which the individual has engaged, or which the individual has purposely and materially supported, consistent with the law of war and any authorization for the use of military force provided by Congress pertaining to such hostilities.
Man that pesky little ole piece of paper called the Constitution says something about this....or at least it used to....
Business_Casual
03-23-10, 16:31
OH, how many times I warned people about "Blue Dog" Democrats. I said it was marketing bullshit, but I was told how wrong I was about them. So how is Stupak today?
M_P
dmancornell
03-23-10, 16:32
No point voting if the choice is either a a RINO or Odumbo.
As far as I'm concerned small government was a lost cause as soon as entitlements and income taxes were established. Only state secessions and/or civil war will fix things now.
SPARTAN HOPLITE ARMS
03-23-10, 16:45
I'd be cautious about mention of subversive activities anywhere...I'm sure this administration and many others would love an excuse to let the dogs loose on states' rights/constructionists who actually believe in the Constitution. On a side note, the sad fact is that the social entitlements begun by the likes of FDR are impossible to repeal by normal means...Once people begin receiving that freebie govt check, they'll demand it continue in perpetuity much like a junkie/alcoholic would need some real strict intervention to end the addiction. It will take drastic action to end the bankrupting entitlements...Hopefully this health care bogus entitlement will be eliminated by Constitutional challenge but don't hold your breath.
Nathan_Bell
03-23-10, 17:00
I'd be cautious about mention of subversive activities anywhere...I'm sure this administration and many others would love an excuse to let the dogs loose on states' rights/constructionists who actually believe in the Constitution. On a side note, the sad fact is that the social entitlements begun by the likes of FDR are impossible to repeal by normal means...Once people begin receiving that freebie govt check, they'll demand it continue in perpetuity much like a junkie/alcoholic would need some real strict intervention to end the addiction. It will take drastic action to end the bankrupting entitlements...Hopefully this health care bogus entitlement will be eliminated by Constitutional challenge but don't hold your breath.
volohk a pretty good legal blog has a gent stating that it is less than 1% that challenges will stop it.
My registration did not go through for the last time. I filled it out at a stand in the mall and they mailed it in for me. I registered republican, so did a classmate. Neither of us got out cards. Some people should know why this happened right away.
HAMMERDROP
03-23-10, 17:49
This is now my daily email to my state Senator the ones I had been sending have been antiquated by the health care bill passing. If I disappear this will be the reason why. I have sent many many such emails to all my state reps but I have fixated on Leatherface.
I challenge anyone to do the same, if I had 2000 fellow Missourians doing the same everyday we could bury their emails. And reduce the odds I get singled out for a pair of concrete shoes ! :D
Senator McCaskill,
It seems the way of Washington these days is slithering all the way back to the state level. And I state with much glee that the Democrats arrogance, ignoring the voters demands IS going to cost many jobs in not only the Senate this November 2010 but on all levels of government and with much more glee, all Socialists and their Democratic peers will be voted OUT !
It makes me ashamed as a life long Missourian that you Senator, represent our state in the manner.
You had done so well until just recently ...you didn't listen to me.
The voters in Missouri may have to wait a couple more years for your term to come up but your overall effectiveness will be rendered impotent in November 2010.
But remember THE VOTERS of MISSOURI AWAIT THEIR CHANCE TO VOTE YOU OUT OF OFFICE.
Save your campaign funds call it severance pay.
Michael George
Dragon Slayer
03-23-10, 18:20
For all the moron "conservatives" that stayed at home or voted for a democrat during the 2006 or 2008 elections to "teach the republicans a lesson", this is where we are at right now.
We are 3/4 on the way to socialized medicine and on a fiscal path we cannot sustain.
Amnesty for illegals is next. Then cap and trade, and then gun control.
Do you really think we would be at this point if McCain was president or the republicans still had control of atleast half of congress?
To answer your question no we would not be in this position if McCain was president, on this issues and Iran would be very careful in the way it behaves, Israel would not be betrayed on the altar of appeasement of Islam.
It is not only the moron conservatives, it is the ultra moron libertarians that I call ( losertarians), third party voters, all or nothing constitutionalists, the ones that can not be bothered to get of their ass to vote because they are busy, the ones that thought they were proving they are not racists but voted in a racial line, there is a lot of blame to go around.:rolleyes::mad:
I'm hoping enough sheeple wake up in 2010 to put Republican majorities in the House and Senate. Next, 2012 and get a Republican elected POTUS. At that point maybe they could repeal the healthcare reform measures( at least parts of it) and undue some of the damage.
We can hope but I'm not holding my breath. I remember when the Reps got control after the Assault Weapons Ban bill passed........... and they didn't repeal any of that.
Dragon Slayer
03-23-10, 18:43
We can hope but I'm not holding my breath. I remember when the Reps got control after the Assault Weapons Ban bill passed........... and they didn't repeal any of that.
Because the ones that would repeal AWB were not as many as the ones that would not repeal, never less the AWB sunsetted under a Republican president and congress..;)
No point voting if the choice is either a a RINO or Odumbo.
As far as I'm concerned small government was a lost cause as soon as entitlements and income taxes were established. Only state secessions and/or civil war will fix things now.
Im with you on this one. The big gov has gone to far to let its powers just slipp away. The only way to bring things back to what they should have been is to hurt them where it counts. The wallet! As long as they keep getting their money they will now give a damn about you and I. But when we tell them to get lost and cut them off then they will start to realize who has the power.
We can hope but I'm not holding my breath. I remember when the Reps got control after the Assault Weapons Ban bill passed........... and they didn't repeal any of that.
Tim McViegh was a big piece of that puzzle . That dirtbag did more for the gun-grabbers and the Clintonistas than anybody else -- including Bill and Hilary.
I voted for Chuck Baldwin.
And no one better give me shit about throwing away a vote that could have helped the Republicans. If you added up ALL other votes, meaning all 3rd party and independent, including communist, green, etc, to McCain's votes, he still would have lost to Obama.
Amnesty for illegals would probably be worse than healthcare. At least it is POSSIBLE to reverse the health care bill.
Amnesty for illegals is next. Then cap and trade, and then gun control.
While I agree with much of what you wrote regarding people staying home, voting to punish the Republicans, etc., let's not pretend the things quoted are inevitable just yet. It took the Dems 1 year and 3 months to pass the health care bill. It is unlikely they are able to do much more damage at that pace before being thrown out of office this november, and I seriously doubt Obama can find the votes to get this kind of stuff through, particularly in the Senate where he will need 60 votes for cloture on new bills (no reconciliation loophole).
Guys - wife asks me what can we do - get educated #1, educated others #2.
(she is stuck on Beck now - say what you will about the sky is falling, but he is excellent in communicating with those who dont follow it)
Past that donate time/money/vote for the guy who did not vote for obama hellcare.
Repeal and withholding funds is our only hopy if a constitutional challenge fails.
Krauthammer on Hannity said that the cost of the health care bill will lead to discussion of a national sales tax by the end of the year. The ramifications something like that could have on firearms ownership are frightening.
SPARTAN HOPLITE ARMS
03-23-10, 21:15
Krauthammer on Hannity said that the cost of the health care bill will lead to discussion of a national sales tax by the end of the year. The ramifications something like that could have on firearms ownership are frightening.
Indeed. Firearms ownership is not the only item that will suffer. The entire economy will nosedive due to lack of consumer spending. Many European nations have done this to stay afloat after passing their social welfare healthcare. Don't be surprised if that's in store for us in the liberal master plan to take over every facet of our lives. Remember... Big brother Obama and the left wing know what's good for you.
To answer your question no we would not be in this position if McCain was president, on this issues and Iran would be very careful in the way it behaves, Israel would not be betrayed on the altar of appeasement of Islam.
It is not only the moron conservatives, it is the ultra moron libertarians that I call ( losertarians), third party voters, all or nothing constitutionalists, the ones that can not be bothered to get of their ass to vote because they are busy, the ones that thought they were proving they are not racists but voted in a racial line, there is a lot of blame to go around.:rolleyes::mad:
Those morons and their "voting on principle".:rolleyes:
Maybe if more people did we wouldn't need to "choose" between nanny state and big brother.
I use to think the same way(lesser of two evils).
I voted for McCain...Bush twice before that...
Not again.
If I'm going to waste my vote it'll be without the puke aftertaste from here on out.
I voted for Sara Palin and that old gray haired guy.
To the OP. nice post. I'm frustrated beyond words. The only positive thing I see is the wakeup call that the 545 "representatives" on capitol hill couldn't possibly care any less about the will of the people.
The only positive thing I see is the wakeup call that the 545 "representatives" on capitol hill couldn't possibly care any less about the will of the people.
Fuzzy math. Not a single Republican House Rep voted for the health care bill.
ForTehNguyen
03-24-10, 08:29
Fuzzy math. Not a single Republican House Rep voted for the health care bill.
34 Dems or so voted against it too
Really want to fix things?
Don't just Vote in the General election.
Vote in the Primary so the best candidate is going against the Democrats.
Get active in your local party so you can help candidates you believe in.
There is more to politics than just voting for a guy or gal in November.
decodeddiesel
03-24-10, 09:49
It is not only the moron conservatives, it is the ultra moron libertarians that I call ( losertarians), third party voters, all or nothing constitutionalists, the ones that can not be bothered to get of their ass to vote because they are busy, the ones that thought they were proving they are not racists but voted in a racial line, there is a lot of blame to go around.:rolleyes::mad:
Losertarians, what a hoot! Oh my! Your Sir, you are a clever one! Losertarians...did you, did you come up with that one all on your own? Because wow, that is some great stuff! Really, losertarians, I think you should go on the road with that one!
I guess believing in laissez-faire, self determination, the Bill of Rights, and liberty make me a loser as well.
Well at least I had the balls to put my ass on the line defending what I believe in and our way of life for two tours in Iraq, and 10 years in the Army.
decodeddiesel
03-24-10, 09:50
Those morons and their "voting on principle".:rolleyes:
Maybe if more people did we wouldn't need to "choose" between nanny state and big brother.
I use to think the same way(lesser of two evils).
I voted for McCain...Bush twice before that...
Not again.
If I'm going to waste my vote it'll be without the puke aftertaste from here on out.
Well said.
No more of this "lesser of two evils" shit. The way I see it we had 2 terms of big government Bush, followed by HUGE government Obama. Neither one of them gave a flying **** about the constitution or for that matter the People they were serving.
ForTehNguyen
03-24-10, 09:53
Well said.
No more of this "lesser of two evils" shit. The way I see it we had 2 terms of big government Bush, followed by HUGE government Obama. Neither one of them gave a flying **** about the constitution or for that matter the People they were serving.
evils of two lessers is more like it :D
Moose-Knuckle
03-24-10, 09:54
I voted for Ron Paul.
Not that our votes count for anything anyway...
Dragon Slayer
03-24-10, 10:03
Losertarians, what a hoot! Oh my! Your Sir, you are a clever one! Losertarians...did you, did you come up with that one all on your own? Because wow, that is some great stuff! Really, losertarians, I think you should go on the road with that one!
I guess believing in laissez-faire, self determination, the Bill of Rights, and liberty make me a loser as well.
Well at least I had the balls to put my ass on the line defending what I believe in and our way of life for two tours in Iraq, and 10 years in the Army.
I was putting my ass on the line fighting the same evil in two wars when you were in diapers and i did not expect anything back because of it, so here thank you for your service.
But serving your country is a sign of dedication and patriotism nothing else it does not make you anything else but a voter and if you vote for the wrong person and the really wrong one (Obama) gets elected because of it you and I lose big time.
But if you keep voting for the wrong person every time (Libertarian) and you lose every time then you are a Losertarian.;):(
BTW make no mistake about it we all believe in what you believe, the question is in which reality are you living?
I would not go so far as to throw insults at the Libertarians, that is just uncalled for and counter productive. I consider myself to be a small l libertarian in fact. However the Libertarian party is a part of the problem. I agree with voting our conscience. However by voting 3rd party you are pulling more votes away from the person who most closely matches your values and actually has a chance of winning.
And I am sorry to say this Libertarians have no chance of winning the big races. They don't appeal to enough of the populous. If you really want to fix things then get involved with your party. Make sure the people running for office are feasible candidates that can win. Now I don't feel that it made much difference in '08. We got our asses kicked bad, and rightfully so. However looking at this year and 2012, we have a chance to get good, if imperfect candidates into office. We can't afford to take an all or nothing approach. We will lose if we do.
It is probably the biggest lesson we need to learn from the other side. They know that if they push to much they can't win. So they do things in small increments. This is especially obvious in the Gun Control arena but prevalent other places as well. We on the other hand tend to believe in the all or nothing approach and are more likely to not for for a person because we disagree with them on 1 or 2 issues than to vote for them because we agree on 8 or 9 issues. It has cost us to many elections and can't continue if we want to save this county.
Scott Brown is the perfect example. He isn't exactly the best conservative in the world. But he is leap and bounds above his opponent last year. He is more likely to vote our way that she was and opens the door to other people winning that hold even more of our values.
By the way, the gentleman I work for, Todd Young is running as a Republican. But his values are probably more in line with a libertarian candidate and in fact he represents himself as a libertarian Republican. He could have run on the Lib ticket but he knew he would never be taken seriously. Hell he attacks our own party as much as he talk well of it. But he is doing what he can to really change things. You can take a stand and win. You just have to do it right.
decodeddiesel
03-24-10, 10:14
I was putting my ass on the line fighting the same evil in two wars when you were in diapers and i did not expect anything back because of it, so here thank you for your service.
But serving your country is a sign of dedication and patriotism nothing else it does not make you anything else but a voter and if you vote for the wrong person and the really wrong one (Obama) gets elected because of it you and I lose big time.
But if you keep voting for the wrong person every time (Libertarian) and you lose every time then you are a Losertarian.;):(
BTW make no mistake about it we all believe in what you believe, the question is in which reality are you living?
Oh no! Not the "when you were in diapers" comment. :rolleyes:
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Dragon Slayer
03-24-10, 10:16
I would not go so far as to throw insults at the Libertarians, that is just uncalled for and counter productive. I consider myself to be a small l libertarian in fact. However the Libertarian party is a part of the problem. I agree with voting our conscience. However by voting 3rd party you are pulling more votes away from the person who most closely matches your values and actually has a chance of winning.
And I am sorry to say this Libertarians have no chance of winning the big races. They don't appeal to enough of the populous. If you really want to fix things then get involved with your party. Make sure the people running for office are feasible candidates that can win. Now I don't feel that it made much difference in '08. We got our asses kicked bad, and rightfully so. However looking at this year and 2012, we have a chance to get good, if imperfect candidates into office. We can't afford to take an all or nothing approach. We will lose if we do.
It is probably the biggest lesson we need to learn from the other side. They know that if they push to much they can't win. So they do things in small increments. This is especially obvious in the Gun Control arena but prevalent other places as well. We on the other hand tend to believe in the all or nothing approach and are more likely to not for for a person because we disagree with them on 1 or 2 issues than to vote for them because we agree on 8 or 9 issues. It has cost us to many elections and can't continue if we want to save this county.
Scott Brown is the perfect example. He isn't exactly the best conservative in the world. But he is leap and bounds above his opponent last year. He is more likely to vote our way that she was and opens the door to other people winning that hold even more of our values.
I fully agree with your post and BTW calling a loser a loser is not meant to be an insult just a statement of the facts.
Dragon Slayer
03-24-10, 10:19
Oh no! Not the "when you were in diapers" comment. :rolleyes:
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