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Hard to believe, but there it was. Right on the homepage no less:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34714389/ns/us_news-life//
Record numbers now licensed to pack heat
Firearms deaths fall as millions obtain permits to carry concealed guns
By Mike Stuckey
Senior news editor
msnbc.com
updated 8:43 a.m. ET, Wed., March. 24, 2010
Mike Stuckey
Senior news editor
Waving a chromed semiautomatic pistol, the robber pushed into the building in the bustling Five Points neighborhood of Columbia, S.C., just before 11 p.m. on April 11, 2009. “Gimme what you got!” he yelled, his gun hand trembling.
Attorney Jim Corley was one of four people in the room, the lounge area of a 12-step recovery group’s meeting hall. “He said, ‘Give me your wallet,’” Corley recalled. “So I reached around to my back pocket and gave him what was there.”
Unfortunately for the gunman, later identified as Kayson Helms, 18, of Edison, N.J., that was Corley’s tiny Kel-Tec .32, hidden in a wallet holster and loaded with a half-dozen hollow points. Corley fired once into the robber’s abdomen. The young man turned. Corley fired twice more, hitting him in the neck and again in the torso. Helms ran into the night and collapsed to die on a railroad embankment 100 feet away.
Reports filed by officers who arrived at the scene a short time later called it an “exceptionally clear” case of justifiable homicide. Following South Carolina’s “Castle Doctrine,” which allows the use of deadly force in self-defense, police did not arrest Corley. They did not interrogate him. Corley was offered the opportunity to make a voluntary statement, which he did.
Helms’ friends and relatives were left to mourn, barred by the same Castle Doctrine from filing a civil lawsuit.
Jim Corley became an unintentional spokesman for a burgeoning movement of millions of Americans who secretly and legally pack pistols in waistbands, under jackets, strapped to ankles, stashed in purses or — like Corley — tucked in hip pockets.......
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The article is 3 pages, see link for the rest. The graph is very telling.
rifleman2000
03-24-10, 15:34
.32 caliber handgun kills robber? Who wudda thunk it?! :D
Good to hear though, esp on MSNBC.
I was thinking the same thing. It just shows how caliber, shot placement, and target all interact unpredictably.
TIME TRAVEL POST!
citizensoldier16
03-24-10, 15:34
.32 caliber handgun kills robber? Who wudda thunk it?! :D
Good to hear though, esp on MSNBC.
rifleman2000
03-24-10, 15:35
I wonder what this means. Either:
1. Isolated case of semi-good journalism.
2. Gradual pendulum of media swinging toward the right as the duplicity of liberalism becomes more exposed. (least likely)
3. MSNBC is going under and needs money/ratings bad!
NMBigfoot02
03-24-10, 15:46
Hard to believe, but there it was. Right on the homepage no less:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34714389/ns/us_news-life//
Record numbers now licensed to pack heat
Firearms deaths fall as millions obtain permits to carry concealed guns
By Mike Stuckey
Senior news editor
msnbc.com
updated 8:43 a.m. ET, Wed., March. 24, 2010
Mike Stuckey
Senior news editor
Waving a chromed semiautomatic pistol, the robber pushed into the building in the bustling Five Points neighborhood of Columbia, S.C., just before 11 p.m. on April 11, 2009. “Gimme what you got!” he yelled, his gun hand trembling.
Attorney Jim Corley was one of four people in the room, the lounge area of a 12-step recovery group’s meeting hall. “He said, ‘Give me your wallet,’” Corley recalled. “So I reached around to my back pocket and gave him what was there.”
Unfortunately for the gunman, later identified as Kayson Helms, 18, of Edison, N.J., that was Corley’s tiny Kel-Tec .32, hidden in a wallet holster and loaded with a half-dozen hollow points. Corley fired once into the robber’s abdomen. The young man turned. Corley fired twice more, hitting him in the neck and again in the torso. Helms ran into the night and collapsed to die on a railroad embankment 100 feet away.
Reports filed by officers who arrived at the scene a short time later called it an “exceptionally clear” case of justifiable homicide. Following South Carolina’s “Castle Doctrine,” which allows the use of deadly force in self-defense, police did not arrest Corley. They did not interrogate him. Corley was offered the opportunity to make a voluntary statement, which he did.
Helms’ friends and relatives were left to mourn, barred by the same Castle Doctrine from filing a civil lawsuit.
Jim Corley became an unintentional spokesman for a burgeoning movement of millions of Americans who secretly and legally pack pistols in waistbands, under jackets, strapped to ankles, stashed in purses or — like Corley — tucked in hip pockets.......
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The article is 3 pages, see link for the rest. The graph is very telling.
Probably off topic, but aren't wallet holsters considered NFA? If so, I'd definitely not want that tidbit to make it into the news if I were the victim.
Best part is that the robber is from Eddison NJ...
What a dumb a$$... had he commited the crime in NJ, he would be alive today since NJ will not give out CCW permits. lol But no, the retard went 600 miles south to commit a crime and die.
Since we can't defend ourselves here in NJ, I would love to see more of NJ's violent criminals meet their maker at the hands of free citizens in other states.
Awesome!
Jay Cunningham
03-24-10, 16:10
I keep one in my purse too.
Probably off topic, but aren't wallet holsters considered NFA? If so, I'd definitely not want that tidbit to make it into the news if I were the victim.
Only if they are designed such that the gun can still be fired while in the holster and they disguise the fact that it's a gun. Otherwise, any pocket holster would be considered an AOW.
Probably a poor choice of words by the writer. I would guess it was just a pocket holster, and it sounds like he actually drew the gun out and then fired it.
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Reports filed by officers who arrived at the scene a short time later called it an “exceptionally clear” case of justifiable homicide. Following South Carolina’s “Castle Doctrine,” which allows the use of deadly force in self-defense, police did not arrest Corley. They did not interrogate him. Corley was offered the opportunity to make a voluntary statement, which he did.
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great article ........... except for this
self defense <> justifiable homicide.
liberals (badged or otherwise) just don't like accepting self defense
What a dumb a$$... had he commited the crime in NJ, he would be alive today since NJ will not give out CCW permits. lol But no, the retard went 600 miles south to commit a crime and die.
As one of your fellow residents I can really appreciate the humor in this.
Superb display of wit, my friend. :D
great article ........... except for this
self defense <> justifiable homicide.
liberals (badged or otherwise) just don't like accepting self defense
Via Dictionary dot com
hom·i·cide
/ˈhɒməˌsaɪd, ˈhoʊmə-/ Show Spelled[hom-uh-sahyd, hoh-muh-] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the killing of one human being by another.
2.
a person who kills another; murderer.
The law uses the first definition, you're using the more popular second definition. Justifiable homicide is self defense.
I had to check my calender when I saw the thread title to make sure April 1st didn't sneak up on me.
Via Dictionary dot com
hom·i·cide
/ˈhɒməˌsaɪd, ˈhoʊmə-/ Show Spelled[hom-uh-sahyd, hoh-muh-] Show IPA
–noun
1.
the killing of one human being by another.
2.
a person who kills another; murderer.
The law uses the first definition, you're using the more popular second definition. Justifiable homicide is self defense.
http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en%7Cen&hl=en&q=homicide
homicide /h'ɒmɪsaɪd/
Synonyms:
noun: murder, murderer, killer, assassination, assassin, killing, manslaughter
homicides plural
Homicide is the illegal killing of a person. N-VAR US
The police arrived at the scene of the homicide.
the accurate translation for Exodus 20:13 is 'thou shall not murder' vs the more popular 'thou shall not kill'
VooDoo6Actual
03-24-10, 18:40
OUTSTANDING !
http://www.google.com/dictionary?aq=f&langpair=en%7Cen&hl=en&q=homicide
homicide /h'ɒmɪsaɪd/
Synonyms:
noun: murder, murderer, killer, assassination, assassin, killing, manslaughter
homicides plural
Homicide is the illegal killing of a person. N-VAR US
The police arrived at the scene of the homicide.
the accurate translation for Exodus 20:13 is 'thou shall not murder' vs the more popular 'thou shall not kill'
Please don't start this here. Utterly pointless overall.
Bolt_Overide
03-24-10, 18:47
Are we sure this isn't the work of a hacker copy and pasting from some other news source?
There is a link to a poll on page 3.
Please don't start this here. Utterly pointless overall.
In that case, pm sent to danpass.
Great news! The poll is here http://world-news.newsvine.com/_question/2010/03/23/4036468-how-safe-do-you-feel-knowing-there-are-people-around-legally-carrying-concealed-guns and simply asks "How safe do you feel knowing there are people around legally carrying concealed guns?"
Former CBS news anchor Dan Rather had a 1 hour special covering the "castle doctrine", it was an interesting to watch.
Seems like a reasonably well balanced article. But how could they write and edit it with n mention of John Lott, who has done the most exhaustive studies on legal concealed carry. They quote a public health guy from Harvard. Take a wild guess where his bias will be?
QuietShootr
03-24-10, 20:21
Hard to believe, but there it was. Right on the homepage no less:
http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/34714389/ns/us_news-life//
Record numbers now licensed to pack heat
Firearms deaths fall as millions obtain permits to carry concealed guns
By Mike Stuckey
Senior news editor
msnbc.com
updated 8:43 a.m. ET, Wed., March. 24, 2010
snip
Helms’ friends and relatives were left to mourn, barred by the same Castle Doctrine from filing a civil lawsuit.
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Anyone who attempts to file a lawsuit against someone for killing their criminal ****tard relative should be euthanized on general principles.
Best part is that the robber is from Eddison NJ...
What a dumb a$$... had he commited the crime in NJ, he would be alive today since NJ will not give out CCW permits. lol But no, the retard went 600 miles south to commit a crime and die.
Since we can't defend ourselves here in NJ, I would love to see more of NJ's violent criminals meet their maker at the hands of free citizens in other states.
Awesome!
Truth. Stay safe across that bridge.
haha poll is 78.4% to 18.1, the anti gun people are so entertaining and it is clear they either did not read the article or just read "gun" and flip out.
Anyone who attempts to file a lawsuit against someone for killing their criminal ****tard relative should be euthanized on general principles.
No doubt about it. Nothing worse than hearing some loud mouthed, expletive frothing moron on the news yapping about how their POS relative was such an unfortunate victim.
FromMyColdDeadHand
03-25-10, 09:46
We all read that report and think it is great news. An anti could read it as being on their side:
1. Hollow-point bullets, he must have been planning on killing someone
2. One shot in the front, two in the back. He was trying to flee and was gunned down.
3. A human being was killed and the police didn't even ask questions!
4. Economic justice was breached as the family cannot sue the homicide of their bread-earner, and I'm sure honors student.
5. The Homicider shot the young man, even though his gun was trembling. The assailant was as afraid as his prey.
6. "burgeoning movement" doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement.
An anti could read the same report and see it as a call to action.
rifleman2000
03-25-10, 09:56
We all read that report and think it is great news. An anti could read it as being on their side:
1. Hollow-point bullets, he must have been planning on killing someone
2. One shot in the front, two in the back. He was trying to flee and was gunned down.
3. A human being was killed and the police didn't even ask questions!
4. Economic justice was breached as the family cannot sue the homicide of their bread-earner, and I'm sure honors student.
5. The Homicider shot the young man, even though his gun was trembling. The assailant was as afraid as his prey.
6. "burgeoning movement" doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement.
An anti could read the same report and see it as a call to action.
It is fairly obvious that the writer of the report was more or less objective. If a reader CHOSE to stretch and interpret the article that way, then nothing can stop them. The point is that the article is fairly well balanced, but as some of the poll comments show the rabid anti-gunners still fail to compute anything except guns are bad.
It is fairly obvious that the writer of the report was more or less objective.
Absolutely. That, and the fact that the writer Mike Stuckey is a "Senior News Editor", are the real causes for celebration here. FINALLY, someone in the media who will simply report the facts. Not "my facts", not "your facts", just objective facts. There are such things as facts, they are damn stubborn, and PRAISE GOD, occasionally they get through to the light of day, despite all our human conniving, politicizing, etc.
My opinion? We should all blitz MSNBC with polite emails, sincerely thanking them and specifically the writer Mike Stuckey. NOT because they wrote a story whose "slant" we agree with, but because they published the objective facts. Too often we complain about the unfairness and the fact that the media often refuses to cover anything that doesn't fit its socialistic worldview. And that's true. But, when they do something right, we ought to let them know so that (hopefully) they'll keep doing it.
rifleman2000
03-25-10, 10:52
My opinion? We should all blitz MSNBC with polite emails, sincerely thanking them and specifically the writer Mike Stuckey. NOT because they wrote a story whose "slant" we agree with, but because they published the objective facts.
This is an excellent idea.
RogerinTPA
03-25-10, 10:52
excellent story ending! Another log on the fire.:cool:
Too often we complain about the unfairness and the fact that the media often refuses to cover anything that doesn't fit its socialistic worldview. And that's true. But, when they do something right, we ought to let them know so that (hopefully) they'll keep doing it.
An excellent idea. I will follow your lead.
The same author wrote two more articles on concealed carry:
Utah, Florida help non-residents pack guns (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35819673/ns/us_news-life/)
22 minutes for a concealed-weapon permit (http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/35839541/ns/us_news-life/)
Despite my best journalistic efforts at impartiality, I was amazed at how easy it was to obtain the license and nonplussed about the lack of a training requirement.
But I know for a fact that when I applied for my Washington State Concealed Pistol License, I had never fired a revolver or semiautomatic handgun of any caliber. Not once. In fact, I had never even held a loaded pistol in my hands.
I don't find either article to be particularly favorable towards gun rights.
Magic_Salad0892
03-25-10, 15:43
He is right though.
It's not a page against concealed carry. It's being non-biased. Admit it.
It's really easy to get a CCW.
The reason that most of the time they don't end up in the wrong hands is because most people who apply know what their getting into.
They know if they're capable of taking the shot, and that their intentions are good.
I wouldn't really call the article pro-gun rights at all, it just made us look like less than the assholes they usually portray us to be. Here is where the article went downhill:
Helms’ friends and relatives were left to mourn, barred by the same Castle Doctrine from filing a civil lawsuit.
Here is where the article went downhill:...
That wording wasn't great, but I'd say it was mostly overshadowed by the rest of the article. Especially the headline stating how gun deaths are down as permits are up.
Shadow1198
03-28-10, 12:16
.32 caliber handgun kills robber? Who wudda thunk it?! :D
Good to hear though, esp on MSNBC.
No see, the bullet didn't kill him, it was the laughter of being shot by such a puny caliber. ;)
We all read that report and think it is great news. An anti could read it as being on their side:
1. Hollow-point bullets, he must have been planning on killing someone
2. One shot in the front, two in the back. He was trying to flee and was gunned down.
3. A human being was killed and the police didn't even ask questions!
4. Economic justice was breached as the family cannot sue the homicide of their bread-earner, and I'm sure honors student.
5. The Homicider shot the young man, even though his gun was trembling. The assailant was as afraid as his prey.
6. "burgeoning movement" doesn't sound like a ringing endorsement.
An anti could read the same report and see it as a call to action.
true, though the bottom line is that the robber initiated the armed confrontation. when you pull again on a group of innocent people you're really lost all legal protection to not get shot. Obviously i'm preaching to the choir here, but i think most people with the ability to think clearly can and do see it that way.
I think MSNBC did a fairly good job about just giving objective facts, however I can see how FAR FAR lefties would interpret incorrectly and say that shooting the robber was not needed and the situation could have been avoided.
I think what the citizen did was justifiable since the robber was pointing a gun at him and threatening him.
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