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So guys, which one would you buy? The Glock 19 or Glock 23? I already have a 21sf and have owned a 17 36 and 26. Glocks rock!
I am leaning toward the 19 for 3 reasons: ammo price, capacity, and the 33 rd mag.
What do you guys suggest?
Business_Casual
04-06-10, 18:01
I suggest that using the 33 round mag looks gay.
B_C
whiterabbit05
04-06-10, 18:12
Who cares? It's 33 rounds!!! LOL
The 19, by all means. IMO Glocks are best enjoyed in the original 9mm format. I know that some will want to burn me for heresy, but I think that the best-shooting .40 options are the P229 and the M&P40. The Glocks? Not so much.
EzGoingKev
04-06-10, 18:17
My vote would be 23 and then get the 9mm & .357 SIG conversion barrels so you have the most options.
You do need to pick up 9mm magazines along with the barrel.
Hands down 19. I think if you search pervious posts you'll see a lot of G19 love. Hopefully the Gen 4 .40 Glocks will be better. But as stated above there are better choices in .40 such a M&P.
The Glock 23 is not very highly regarded. On the other hand the Glock 19 has established itself a stellar reputation for it's durability and boring reliability.
Dos Cylindros
04-06-10, 18:46
I have both a G23 and a G19. Because my duty gun is a G22, my G23 is my EDC off duty gun. It has been flawless for more than 5,000 rounds and is easily the equal of my G19. The Glock 40 vs. Glock 9 debate is a little overblown in my experience. My G22 with X200 has also been flawless.
SWATcop556
04-06-10, 19:22
The 40 cal Glock problems are not overblown. In fact they are well documented.
I would go with the G19. If you want the 40 cal then get the M&P.
My vote would be 23 and then get the 9mm & .357 SIG conversion barrels so you have the most options.
You do need to pick up 9mm magazines along with the barrel.
My understanding is that to do this, it is better to get the 357 Sig version and then the .40 and 9mm conversion barrels. The 357 is the most powerful of the 3 calibers.
My understanding is that to do this, it is better to get the 357 Sig version and then the .40 and 9mm conversion barrels. The 357 is the most powerful of the 3 calibers.
The only thing you're accomplishing is diverting money that you should be spending on buying a spare G19, spare G19 mags, 9mm ammunition and quality training.
QuietShootr
04-06-10, 20:18
G19. No question.
G19. The 23 does not compare.
19 by far. You'll have more oem mag options.
EzGoingKev
04-06-10, 20:51
My understanding is that to do this, it is better to get the 357 Sig version and then the .40 and 9mm conversion barrels. The 357 is the most powerful of the 3 calibers.
When I spoke to someone at Glock they told me the newer pistols all use the same frames.
The only thing you're accomplishing is diverting money that you should be spending on buying a spare G19, spare G19 mags, 9mm ammunition and quality training.
You are making your pistol versatile if the SHTF.
9mm is available all over the place but should you run out, .40 is all over the place too. .357 SIG is just a barrel purchase from Glock that can be had for about $125. In fact the conversion barrel is about the same price too so it is not like we are talking about spending huge money.
I have carry a G19 daily (on and off duty) for the last 9 or 10 year. I carried a G23 in the past:
http://03designgroup.com/photo/why-glock-why-9mm/icon-why-glock-why-9mm.jpg
03designgroup | Why Glock, why 9mm? http://demigodllc.com/icon/extwh3.png (http://www.03designgroup.com/technotes/why-glock-why-9mm)
Glock + 9mm = :D
You can also insert the 33rnd mag and use it as a golf putter. I had a buddy insert a 33rounder in a G26, I swear it looked like a putter.:rolleyes:
I have both and can not remember the last time my 23 has seen the light of day. I don't believe in playing "transformers" with my Glocks as it relates to switching a 40 to a 9 or 357. In my opinion the 19 offers the best combo of potency, flexibility,durability, capacity, ect...
You get the point!
-drew
You are making your pistol versatile if the SHTF.
9mm is available all over the place but should you run out, .40 is all over the place too. .357 SIG is just a barrel purchase from Glock that can be had for about $125. In fact the conversion barrel is about the same price too so it is not like we are talking about spending huge money.
What exactly do you mean by SHTF? End of the world, zombies, natural disaster?
If you take the money you invested in extra barrels and different caliber magazines, I don't know if these are necessary, you could purchase quite a bit of spare ammunition to save up if the SHTF scenario were to come about. Personally I don't see myself needing multiple calibers on a Glock platform, my primary weapon in an extended bad living situation would be an AR.
I recommend the G19. I have and G19, G23, G22 Gen 4, and a G26. In Glocks, for me, the recoil of the .40 is very sharp (the Gen 4 helps reduce the recoil) so I shoot the 9mm Glocks much better. My pistol chart:
9mm: Glocks and M&P
.40: SIGS, H&K, and M&P
I like the Glocks a little better than the M&P for all the after market items and that I have about 15 Glock Armorers at work. I can set up a Glock exactly the way I want it. I carry a department issued/required SIG 229 .40 on duty but I carry a G19 off duty.
The best thing I can tell you is shoot both of them and see which one YOU like the best.
Have owned a 23 and several 19s. Still own the 19s.
Beat Trash
04-07-10, 02:44
Have owned a 23 and several 19s. Still own the 19s.
Same here. My Glock 19's will be the LAST to go...
give me a 19 every day of the week.
I have both and rarely shoot and carry my G23. The last time I carried it was when I went hiking in the mountains. I also have a 9mm conversion barrel and a 357 SIG barrel for it but found that I spend too much time dicking around with barrels, mags and ammo...time I could be using to practice hitting the target with my G19.
Now the G23 sits in the safe collecting dust.
Get a G19 and feed it lots of ammo.
get the 19 and some extra mags.
I really don't enjoy shooting the 23. Way too snappy.
FlyAndFight
04-07-10, 11:28
I agree with the consensus- Glock 19.
If you want a pistol in .40, I highly recommend the HK P2000. In my opinion, it's far and away the best shooter in that caliber.
TheSmiter1
04-07-10, 12:26
If you really want a Glock 23, maybe wait for the 4th Gen. For now, the Glock 19 is good to go. I don't see the point of .40, unless you get it free.
Glock 19, a pistol so nice I bought one thrice.
Cameron
I personally have no issues with 40 cal glock I own a few and carry them that being said I carry the 9's much more G19
Glock 19. I think its safe to say that the 19 gets alot of love on this board.
isnt the glock 19 the most carried gun world wide?
Im no subject matter expert, but I would have to say that it would be between the 19 and 17.
isnt the glock 19 the most carried gun world wide?
I think so.
C4
I'd recommend the current Gen3 G19-in either the regular or the RTF2 frame depending upon your taste/desire/climate.
I'd consider a Gen4 G23 (actually, I'll probably get a Gen4 G32 in .357 SIG with a spare .40 barrel when they become available). I think that the Gen4 modifications are optimized towards the .40 cartridge's characteristics, both in terms of platform performance and longevity. The 9mm Gen 3s are good to go as they are.
Other than for rather specialized needs (i.e., wilderness carry/increased penetration) I think that there are currently available 9mm cartridges which'll do pretty much anything required in a handgun defensive cartridge-for less money, less recoil, and in a smaller platform.
Best, Jon
KalashniKEV
04-08-10, 21:35
I'll throw in behind the G23 with 9mm conversion.
I like the G23 as a carry gun over the 19 for it's superior effects on target. The 9mm barrel I just picked up to give an added flexibility while traveling since 9mm is so much more common than .40. (I've even seen it for sale at the Gas Station in some places!)
I expected to have all kinds of problems due to the extractor geometry (per internet experts) but I'm actually coming up on 1K now failure free. To me it's "proven" and while I still run a lot of .40 and carry in that mode, it's nice to have the option.
Recently, I picked up a second threaded conversion from LWD and I'll see if the reliability is still there running suppressed...
I have both, and typically carry the G23, backed up by a G27. For me, the number one reason for this is that I'm required by agency policy to carry issued ammunition, and our issued ammo in 9mm is TERRIBLE stuff, commonly referred to by other LEOs as "less than lethal" ammunition. Truly miserable.
I would, however, still carry the G19, if, in my case, I didn't shoot the G23 just as well. My G23 actually shoots tighter than my "Austrian Proofed" G19. When it comes to recoil, I can tell the difference, but, my five-shot, five-yard, 5"-target groups show an aggregate time of .78-.79 seconds for five shots with the G19 with no "dropped" shots; and aggregates of .81-.82 for the G23 with no dropped shots. To me, this makes using the (in my agency's case) significantly more potent .40 S&W caliber a "no brainer."
If I could choose my own carry ammunition, I would carry the G19, without a doubt, because it IS easier to shoot - I don't have to be so conscious about "riding" the G19 as I do the G23 when I'm shooting fast. I also notice that, at the end of a long range day with my G19, I'm looking for more ammunition to keep shooting; at the end of an equivalent day with the G23, I'm looking for Motrin!
Regards,
Kevin
RogerinTPA
04-11-10, 15:24
9mm= G19 or M&P9/9c
In .40= M&P40
I have both, and typically carry the G23, backed up by a G27. For me, the number one reason for this is that I'm required by agency policy to carry issued ammunition, and our issued ammo in 9mm is TERRIBLE stuff, commonly referred to by other LEOs as "less than lethal" ammunition. Truly miserable.
I would, however, still carry the G19, if, in my case, I didn't shoot the G23 just as well. My G23 actually shoots tighter than my "Austrian Proofed" G19. When it comes to recoil, I can tell the difference, but, my five-shot, five-yard, 5"-target groups show an aggregate time of .78-.79 seconds for five shots with the G19 with no "dropped" shots; and aggregates of .81-.82 for the G23 with no dropped shots. To me, this makes using the (in my agency's case) significantly more potent .40 S&W caliber a "no brainer."
If I could choose my own carry ammunition, I would carry the G19, without a doubt, because it IS easier to shoot - I don't have to be so conscious about "riding" the G19 as I do the G23 when I'm shooting fast. I also notice that, at the end of a long range day with my G19, I'm looking for more ammunition to keep shooting; at the end of an equivalent day with the G23, I'm looking for Motrin!
Regards,
Kevin
That seems a little odd to me, having to carry issued ammo off duty. I'm not doubting you in any way, just seems odd that you can carry a totally different system in a different caliber but must use issued ammo in 9mm. I wonder if you carried a personal owned G19 if you could use ammo of your choice. Just curious.
That seems a little odd to me, having to carry issued ammo off duty. I'm not doubting you in any way, just seems odd that you can carry a totally different system in a different caliber but must use issued ammo in 9mm. I wonder if you carried a personal owned G19 if you could use ammo of your choice. Just curious.
I think Kevin just means the he can use either but has to use issued ammo and the the issued ammo in 40 cal is better than the load they are allowed to use in 9mm
I really don't enjoy shooting the 23. Way too snappy.
My thoughts exactly. My duty gun was a 19 until all were mandated to carry the 23. I found it markedly harder to shoot well.
I think Kevin just means the he can use either but has to use issued ammo and the the issued ammo in 40 cal is better than the load they are allowed to use in 9mm
Got it, I must have missed that. Thanks.
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