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I've always had an 870 on the department but I got a want for a Coach gun. I found a Silverado. It's fairly light weight, quick handling, and intimidating as Hell. Anybody else have one?
http://www.hunt101.com/data/500/medium/Coach_005.JPG
HardHatMan
04-22-10, 14:15
Looks sweet man. I love the SxS setups. What's the barrel length?
woodandsteel
04-22-10, 16:35
Don't have one. But always wanted one.
Never knew which ones were the best to go with.
For a while, I wanted one with exposed hammers. Now, I am thinking that hammerless is the way to go.
What's it like to shoot? What kind of loads are you planning to carry?
It's a Stoeger satin nickel. It has 20" barrels. I'm using Hornaday 00 Buck reduced recoil. Still a handfull but managable considering the light weght. I researched a lot of dbl barrels before I bought this one. While there is an advantage to the exposed hammer models, mainly being able to leave it loaded without being cocked, I decided to go with the hammerless. Also, some don't have actual functioning hammers.
I went with the double trigger also. I just trust it more than the single.
Just something about a double barrel 12 guage that grabs your attention.
Does the safety reset each time you open & close it - or will it stay "off"????
TIA
Does the safety reset each time you open & close it - or will it stay "off"????
TIA
From the factory, the safety resets each time you break the chamber open. It's an easy fix. I Dremeled about 1/4" off of the actuator rod. Now the safety does not auto engage but still works when manually set, as it should be in the first place. Makes follow up reloading/firing quicker. In a stress situation, I'm sure my wife wouldn't think to take the safety off after loading. I doubt I would either.
Stoeger is making a "Tactical dbl barrel" now with single trigger and rails top and bottom. I debated it but decided to go with a more traditional look.
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php
Stoeger is making a "Tactical dbl barrel" now with single trigger and rails top and bottom. I debated it but decided to go with a more traditional look.
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php
I have that in 20g and the coach gun in blue with 2 triggers, I know they'll both go BANG! Twice when needed have about 500 rounds through each
That Stoeger Double Defense is nice. Now I want (need?) another shotgun. :)
Line Rider
05-05-10, 14:04
I saw one of the blued model at Dick's last month and fell in love with it. Boy do I want one.
Stoeger is making a "Tactical dbl barrel" now with single trigger and rails top and bottom. I debated it but decided to go with a more traditional look.
http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php
Saw one in a local sporting goods retailer. I couldn't figure out what it offered over a traditional pump, other than a "neato" factor. Stock was full LOP, too, much too long.
For me, I just wanted one. Always have.
It's very simple and easy to handle. My wife would have no trouble with it in an emergency. She would never spend enough time with an 870 to know it.
It's lighter, easier to manuever and shorter than my 870.
And nothing is more imtimidating than a double barrel 12 guage staring at you IMO
And the stock can be cut if you are so inclined with a but pad fixed to it.
I'm a fan of the Stoeger Coach Guns. Not as a primary shotgun, but in addition to. I've got an 18.5" 500 Persuader and 20" 590 as my primary shotguns... and an 1100CM. Despite having these other nice and capable shotguns, I'm still very happy to have the Coach gun because it fills a niche and is always nice to have it around and handy.
One thing I really like about the coach guns is how short and light weight they are, and how quickly and easily they can be shouldered and moved around. For size comparison, these are the shotgun models I use the most:
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Shotguns%20and%20RIfles/ThreeShotguns.jpg
For defense reliability, avoid Stoeger's single trigger models... they've been failing and causing unintended doubles. Avoid the problems by buying the tried and true double-trigger models!
Your best choice would be one of the Stoeger Coach Gun "Supreme" models which have recoil pads on the stocks and two triggers.
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Shotguns%20and%20RIfles/ThreeCoachGuns.jpg
Or go for a standard model and have a good recoil pad installed. These guns are great, but all need some minor modifications:
1) Slick action so it opens and closes easily
2) Polish the chambers so spent shells fly out with a rearward jerking motion
3) Have auto-on safety converted to manual
4) Have nice recoil pad installed to enhance your comfort while shooting
These are easy and inexpensive mods... especially if done by an experienced cowboy action gunsmith. These guns are heavily used in cowboy action shooting. That's where I learned about them and bought mine. It makes a SWEET traveling gun and a nice alternate gun in addition to your pump(s).
I keep several boomsticks loaded and handy around the house, just because ya never know when ya might need one! But when I travel, the Coach gun is the only one that goes because it's just small and easy enough to travel along effortlessly.
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Shotguns%20and%20RIfles/CoachGunRig.jpg
Takes down in 2.2 seconds: push lever in forearm and it comes off, push action lever and barrel drops down and you lift it off. Now you have three easy pieces, longest of which is only 20". Put in small suitcase, bag, backpack, etc. and off you go. NICE.
I used to take a pistol along when I traveled, now I take the coach gun AND the pistol. Nicer to have a 12 ga. double and a pistol vs. just a pistol only! ;-)
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Shotguns%20and%20RIfles/CoachGunTakenDown.jpg
Coach gun makes a nice launch pad for this with two quick trigger pulls:
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Shotguns%20and%20RIfles/IMG_3595.jpg
Two rounds of 12 gauge 00 Buck from a coach gun may be avert the need to employ the pistol.
For road trips, here's how the coach gun goes:
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Shotguns%20and%20RIfles/P1000606.jpg
http://i397.photobucket.com/albums/pp59/zmonki/Shotguns%20and%20RIfles/P1000604.jpg
Uncle Alvah
05-28-10, 11:08
I couldn't figure out what it offered over a traditional pump,
Can't short stroke a double. Thats a HUGE difference when dealing with less experienced, less trained individuals. Many folks armed with a pump would actually be better served with an auto.
I was under the impression that the offering of exposed hammers were simply to satisfy the rules for CAS events. I believe they require exposed hammer and no ejectors on their doubles, but not sure....
I didn't buy a Coach Gun per say, I just cut the barrels on an old Stevens I had to 19". Most of my guns live in the safe. The double lives by the bed.
I was under the impression that the offering of exposed hammers were simply to satisfy the rules for CAS events. I believe they require exposed hammer and no ejectors on their doubles, but not sure....
I didn't buy a Coach Gun per say, I just cut the barrels on an old Stevens I had to 19". Most of my guns live in the safe. The double lives by the bed.
CAS allows internal hammer coach guns but not ejectors. When I was involved with cowboy shooting, most of the coach guns I saw in use were Stoegers with internal hammers. Personally, I like having the internal hammers... the gun is less likely to catch on the hammers and you never have to think about cocking them.
Other advantages to coach guns over pumps is how short, light weight, and incredibly nimble they are. They just handle so sweet. Of course, every gun design has it's advantages and it's disadvantages over other designs... none are perfect in all respects.
Uncle Alvah... I'll bet that 19" Stevens double is a sweet gun. Any pics?
Will the gun fire without the forearm attached, i.e., if one was in a SERIOUS hurry to get the weapon functional - will it fire OK sans forearm? (I'd imagine it would disassemble if you broke it apart in that condition after firing - correct?)
TIA
jm
Uncle Alvah
05-28-10, 15:05
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03humpalot
05-28-10, 16:21
I went with the TTN copy of the Colt 1878...nothing fancy about her but she goes bang, throws decent patterns for a cylinder bore and is easy to carry around/manuever with. Usually rides in my pickup..i have a Vang 870,and a mossy M590A1 for social work.
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I Have a 870 Tactical and it was a little to heavy for my wife so I Picked up a Stoeger 12 GA 20 inch ,double triggers I love it is sits by the bed at Night.this is my first sxs and I love blasting Both barrels at once WOW:eek:
http://i62.photobucket.com/albums/h86/PFC-JB/024-1.jpg
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I don't have one yet, but I will have an A.H. Fox 12 guage that will be passed down to me by my grandfather. I'll probably not shoot it due to it being an important family heirloom.
I am, however, going to pick up a .410 SxS when I get the chance...just don't know when.
I bought one of the polished nickel supreme models a couple of weeks ago. I've since put several boxes of 6's and 7 1/2's to break it in and show a little wear pattern on the internals in anticipation of doing some mods to it. While I'm doing the mods, I will also probably change out the brass bead with a Fire-Fly or some other fiber-optic bead or maybe a tritium bead.
Since I've been shooting this one, now I've been thinking about getting a blued barrels / stainless receiver model if I ever decide to build a SBS. Shortening the barrels down to about 12" and removing about 3" off the stock and then add a 1" recoil pad, would make for a very handy house gun....
I have thought about one of these simply for how fast it breaks down, and the places you could then take it.
I love mine. Easy to operate, compact and lite weight. I disabled the auto safety. The safety works manually, but not automatically.
It shot point of aim. For some reason it's easier for me to shoot than the 870.
I shot some Ferochi reduced recoil buckshot loads. Easy to manage.
I always thought a 18" 20 gauge SXS or over/under, with a double action trigger system, would be the perfect home defense gun for folks that weren't gunslingers. Simple, manageable recoil, reasonable power, and it could sit loaded, ready to go, for years.
I know as a kid when I worked in a gun store, I would have loved something like that to sell to folks that came in looking for home protection, but had no interest in learning a lot about shooting.
I don't have one yet, but I will have an A.H. Fox 12 guage that will be passed down to me by my grandfather. I'll probably not shoot it due to it being an important family heirloom.
You should shoot it at least a little....maybe go hunting with it once. Grandpa would like that.
That gun was TR's favorite shotgun by the way.
Moose-Knuckle
10-16-10, 17:43
I would like to obtain a Stoeger Double Defense (http://www.stoegerindustries.com/firearms/stoeger_double_defense.php) for a truck gun. It would fit behind the seat nicely!
I always thought a 18" 20 gauge SXS or over/under, with a double action trigger system, would be the perfect home defense gun for folks that weren't gunslingers. Simple, manageable recoil, reasonable power, and it could sit loaded, ready to go, for years.
I know as a kid when I worked in a gun store, I would have loved something like that to sell to folks that came in looking for home protection, but had no interest in learning a lot about shooting.
Thought about that today while and after shooting a 12 gauge sxs today, and I don't know if I agree. For me, it was easier/faster to learn (with virtually no experience) a pump action shotgun. Also, I have anywhere from 5-8 shells (depending on model of pump shotgun) ready to rock vs. potentially fumbling the reload after two shots of the sxs. Big thing is to not shortstroke a pumpgun, but I've never had a problem with that myself.
My brother picked one up on sale (make?) that had the external hammers on it and a very antique look. First day on the ranch a big rattler is under the house striking at the dogs and so it was time to break in the coach gun. Brother is all ready, I get the dogs away and have to grab the rattler by the tail and sling him out from under the house at my brother who promptly tries to shoot him, click flinch, click flinch, this goes on for awhile he is trying to figure out if its broke or where the hidden safety is :confused:and the snake is pissed and the dogs are trying to help again and my brother can't get it to go off and I finally said, "maybe you got to cock those hammers;)" Funny to watch someone under a little stress not be able to operate an unfamiliar forearm they thought was so simple:p
Snake finally died laughing:eek:
Bolt_Overide
10-19-10, 00:49
coach guns are so damn cool, Ive got a double 10 at my old mans place, dont recall the brand, something italian.
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