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thunderinms
04-22-10, 07:37
I have a standard CH on my carbine now and I was wondering what you all are using? I am thinking of the BCM or a Badger Latch.
Thoughts?
G
ForTehNguyen
04-22-10, 07:39
two BCM Gunfighter Mod3, one Mod4
I run a BCM Mod 4. I just used it recently at a MD Carbine 1&2 class. Large enough to use efficiently, but didn't get hung up on me.
I have a standard CH on my carbine now and I was wondering what you all are using? I am thinking of the BCM or a Badger Latch.
Thoughts?
G
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/2010/01/13/bravo-company-gunfighter-charging-handle/
I wrote up the above to give a realistic view point of the BCM Charging Handle as viewed through the eyes of myself, and multiple other LE/ MIL and instructors. I can sum it up by saying a use the BCM GUNFIGHTER on my duty weapon.
http://militarytimes.com/blogs/gearscout/wp-content/blogs.dir/5/files/bcm-gunfighter/img_4498-800-mt.jpg
BCM Gunfighter Mod4 on all my go-to guns.
I currently use a BCM Mod4. I'd like to eventually try a Mod5.
Modded mod 4 gunfighter, for now. I intend to put together a few gunfighter/pri hybrid handles someday, for the ultimate charge handle, as a couple other members have built.
I was recently wondering about this myself so I like the timing of this thread. I am building a SAM-R/SPR type upper and note that the military uses the M84 on both. I wondered about people's opinions about the PRI gasbuster as far as a comparison to the BCM.
It might be somewhat of an apples and oranges comparison, with the PRI costing a bit more than the BCM and the gas diversion being somewhat situational (supressed weapons). I have shot rifle length and carbine length ARs and never noticed gas blow back (I do wear glasses though). I've never shot an auto AR, SBR, or supressed AR.
Any love for the M84 outside of use on supressed weapons? Any point in using one on a non-supressed rifle length gas system gun? Based upon your reviews the BCM seems like a no-brainer on a carbine, but I was wondering about BCM vs. PRI on a precision AR rig.
If you are building a carbine from the ground up it seems almost dumb not to put a BCM CH on for another $25 bucks or so over a standard CH.
Dom
BCM MOD 4 and MOD 5.
Grant,
Any feedback on the mod 5? Thanks !
Mod 5? Did they fix the bite issues?
ForTehNguyen
04-22-10, 10:53
Mod5 is just a Gunfighter without the oversized latches, small size
http://www.bravocompanyusa.com/v/vspfiles/photos/BCM%20GFH%20Mod%205%20556-2.jpg
BCM MOD 4 and LMT Enhanced Charging Handle
BCM Gunfighter Mod 4
Scoby
Mod 4 with the RTV mod. I'll probably put it on my game AR when I get a couple of Mod 5's.
Grant,
Any feedback on the mod 5? Thanks !
The MOD 5 version was done at the request of Larry Vickers.
C4
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MOD_5.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MOD_5A.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MOD_5B.jpg
Mod 5? Did they fix the bite issues?
There is nothing to "fix" as there are no biting issues.
C4
I am using BCM handles as well as the new PRI latch. All of them are very well made and much better than the original.
TriumphRat675
04-22-10, 14:37
There is nothing to "fix" as there are no biting issues.C4
My index finger disagrees with you...not really a bite but it did get pinched a few times during a class by my BCM Mod 4. I can't reliably reproduce the pinch, but it happened. Overall though I'm pleased with the product.
I am using BCM handles as well as the new PRI latch. All of them are very well made and much better than the original.
How do you like the new PRI latch compared to the BCM?
I don't have enough time with it to make any real decision. All of them are really good with a slight nod to BCM for their reconfiguration of the latch.
My index finger disagrees with you...not really a bite but it did get pinched a few times during a class by my BCM Mod 4. I can't reliably reproduce the pinch, but it happened. Overall though I'm pleased with the product.
How do you like the new PRI latch compared to the BCM?
There is nothing to "fix" as there are no biting issues.
C4
http://s4.postimage.org/fiHaA.jpg
Quiet-Matt
04-22-10, 15:45
I just modified a standard CH. Works great. https://www.m4carbine.net/showthread.php?t=50057
http://lh5.ggpht.com/_5kA3JwNkBxc/S6ZGohMsEjI/AAAAAAAAF0E/0Fd504W2pZw/s720/DSC00799.JPG
My index finger disagrees with you...not really a bite but it did get pinched a few times during a class by my BCM Mod 4. I can't reliably reproduce the pinch, but it happened. Overall though I'm pleased with the product.
I know some people have gotten pinched. Not enough to change the entire design though. Kind of like the Congress voting to have the Govt run healthcare when only about 20% of the populace wants it. According to Paul at BCM, he has received only a few e-mails complaining about pinching. So it is pretty much a none issue.
I recommendation is to always shoot with gloves on (as there are many sharp and hot things on an AR).
C4
http://s4.postimage.org/fiHaA.jpg
Ya know, I was thinking the same thing when about 10 people think there is an issue and everyone else doesn't.
Both Vickers and Hackathorn run BCM's CH. No pinching issues reported (FYI).
C4
PdxMotoxer
04-22-10, 16:41
Being that my S&W is more of a "plinker" than a mass zombie killing,
finely honed combat machine.
I'm running the stock OEM S&W M&P15 charging handle.
That being said i'm pure lefty so i'm (patiently?) waiting for The TROY IND. ambi charging handle to stop say "Coming Soon" and start shipping.
Also holding out for well a bunch of Troy Ind NEW Ambi products.
*I made this pic for another thread but it still works in this one.
http://i3.photobucket.com/albums/y99/PdxMotoXer/TroyAmbi.jpg
Then let those zombie ****ers come!! lol
Blankwaffe
04-22-10, 17:07
The MOD 5 version was done at the request of Larry Vickers.
C4
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MOD_5.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MOD_5A.jpg
http://www.gandrtactical.com/images/archive/BCM/MOD_5B.jpg
Now thats the ticket....exactly the size latch I wanted on the Gunfighter CH.Simply outstanding!
I mainly have Badger Tactical ( original ) on my magnified scoped ARs. Some have the PRI latch as well. I have gotten so use to grabbing the Badger ( using index finger, left hand tight against receiver ) that when I went to the Gunfighter Mod 3 it was pinching the crap out of my index finger every time
Overall the Gunfighter is a better CH than std with a Badger latch so I kept it on one of my guns. Once I got use to grabbing it at the end of the handle ( not in the crook by the reciver ) no more pinching
Its all what you get use to I guess
Mod 5? Did they fix the bite issues?
Well, as stated, it appears that the mod 5 is simply smaller in length, similar to a std latch. But, the face of the latch is taller than a std latch, due to the extra meat extending the bottom of the latch face.
But, for those "10" of us (sarcasm) that get pinched with mod 3 and 4's, this mod 5 appears to not be prone to pinching, since there is no gap at the top of the latch to close and pinch you, when operating the latch. To me, if not intentional by the design, the mod 5 does appear to aleviate the problem that "10" of us experienced.
I wonder why Larry requested this mod 5, if pinching wasn't an issue? The change in length of the latch doesn't seem as dramatic, as the reduction in the latch face height, compared to the mod 4....
Almost all of my rifles now run the BCM Gunfighter with a modified PRI Combat Latch. I have run hundreds of rounds through each of the Mod3's, Mod4's (still run a mod3 on an SPR) and the PRI latch conversion. For myself the PRI latch is hands down (not even close) a far better option. I don't think BCM will produce a latch on the Gunfighter in a similar configuration as the PRI when they can sell me a standard Gunfighter and a PRI latch to boot. ;)
I have had far too many requests from this and other sites to do this conversion for others. Sorry, I just don't have the time. :)
Well, as stated, it appears that the mod 5 is simply smaller in length, similar to a std latch. But, the face of the latch is taller than a std latch, due to the extra meat extending the bottom of the latch face.
But, for those "10" of us (sarcasm) that get pinched with mod 3 and 4's, this mod 5 appears to not be prone to pinching, since there is no gap at the top of the latch to close and pinch you, when operating the latch. To me, if not intentional by the design, the mod 5 does appear to aleviate the problem that "10" of us experienced.
I wonder why Larry requested this mod 5, if pinching wasn't an issue? The change in length of the latch doesn't seem as dramatic, as the reduction in the latch face height, compared to the mod 4....
Yes there are about 10 of you that have a problem.
Pinching was never a concern with Mr. Vickers. Why? Because, he wears gloves (clue).
The reason he requested the smaller latch was because the snag hazard when wearing a chest harness/plates.
Nice try though assuming it was because of pinching. ;)
C4
4 PRI gas busters on 4 AR's. I was always under the impression that they were the best CH's - then BCM (who obviously waited for me to shell out the cash for the PRI's) came out with their CH at a much cheaper price.
I have not had any issues with the PRI's so I am sticking with them for now.
4 PRI gas busters on 4 AR's. I was always under the impression that they were the best CH's - then BCM (who obviously waited for me to shell out the cash for the PRI's) came out with their CH at a much cheaper price.
I have not had any issues with the PRI's so I am sticking with them for now.
I have run PRI's for years. Broke one last year.
Switched all my personal guns to the BCM MOD 4 and 5.
C4
Yes there are about 10 of you that have a problem.
Pinching was never a concern with Mr. Vickers. Why? Because, he wears gloves (clue).
The reason he requested the smaller latch was because the snag hazard when wearing a chest harness/plates.
Nice try though assuming it was because of pinching. ;)
C4
Oh, make no mistake Grant, I assume nothing, and am real good with clues. That's just my nature. But you are way off....there are more than 10 of us that were pinched with gunfighters...more like 11 or 12. ;) Don't make me resurrect my thread, and Frogman's thread, and the other one! J/k, I have no desire to start that battle again. Besides, I don't have time, I need to get to the store, and buy some gloves. I keep forgetting to pick some up. :p
Its just that the slight difference in length between the mod 4 and 5, doesn't really convince me that a huge reduction in snagability (is that a word?) would be realized. Then again, my mod 4 is not sharp like a new one would be, and this mod 5 is a bit rounder at the edge, and radiuses (a mod I did on my mod 4, too) so it probably would snag a bit less, I suppose, though. I like that. I also remember when some members griped about the mod 3 and 4's being too sharp, and snag prone, and were quickly shot down by those that wore gloves, and "didn't have that problem". I guess Larry did, though, and when he speaks, folks listen.
All jest aside, I am glad this mod 5 came out. It should prove to be a better alternative for me, Larry, and at least a dozen others. Seriously, I will order one with my new BCM upper, that is due this summer.
Thank you for the great pics grant! :) Nice to see they are in stock too!
Oh, make no mistake Grant, I assume nothing, and am real good with clues. That's just my nature. But you are way off....there are more than 10 of us that were pinched with gunfighters...more like 11 or 12. ;) Don't make me resurrect my thread, and Frogman's thread, and the other one! J/k, I have no desire to start that battle again. Besides, I don't have time, I need to get to the store, and buy some gloves. I keep forgetting to pick some up. :p
Its just that the slight difference in length between the mod 4 and 5, doesn't really convince me that a huge reduction in snagability (is that a word?) would be realized. Then again, my mod 4 is not sharp like a new one would be, and this mod 5 is a bit rounder at the edge, and radiuses (a mod I did on my mod 4, too) so it probably would snag a bit less, I suppose, though. I like that. I also remember when some members griped about the mod 3 and 4's being too sharp, and snag prone, and were quickly shot down by those that wore gloves, and "didn't have that problem". I guess Larry did, though, and when he speaks, folks listen.
All jest aside, I am glad this mod 5 came out. It should prove to be a better alternative for me, Larry, and at least a dozen others. Seriously, I will order one with my new BCM upper, that is due this summer.
When you hold the 4 and 5 at the same time, the 5 is much smaller and the snag hazard is about as much as it is with a standard GI latch.
Long latches have always been more susceptible to snagging on kit and and unlocking the bolt. I have never heard Ken or LAV mention that they were sharp in anyway (nor do I believe that they are sharp).
If folks believe that the Mod 5 works best for them, then great (no matter the reason).
C4
Thank you for the great pics grant! :) Nice to see they are in stock too!
Took them just for you. ;)
C4
Twenty + yrs of M16s and ARs, I have never had an issue with the standard charging handle in any environment.
I only have one that isnt stock, I forget who's latch I bought and put on this charging handle.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/nf9648/Guns/DSC04563-1.jpg
RogerinTPA
04-22-10, 22:32
BCM Mod 4s on all my ARs.
I only have one that isnt stock, I forget who's latch I bought and put on this charging handle.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v669/nf9648/Guns/DSC04563-1.jpgThat is the PRI combat latch. My personal favorite and I dremel them all to fit the spec of the BCM latches and they work in the exact same manner as the original design of the Gunfighter which is meant to take all of the pressure off of the roll pin. Works like a charm I must say, good design job BCM! ;)
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/SSDSurf/Guns/IMG_3482.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/SSDSurf/Guns/IMG_34911.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/SSDSurf/Guns/IMG_3490.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/SSDSurf/Guns/IMG_34891.jpg
http://i225.photobucket.com/albums/dd60/SSDSurf/Guns/BCMPRI01.jpg
No pinching for the 10 of you guys either! :eek:
pacrimguru
04-23-10, 02:25
i'm running all BCM GF mod.4's.
http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk62/pacrimguru/Guns%20Group/f242d5bb.jpg
Twenty + yrs of M16s and ARs, I have never had an issue with the standard charging handle in any environment.
You are right. The standard GI CH works just fine (as it was originally intended to be used).
As new concepts in training evolve, how we use the CH has changed. No longer is a standard GI CH the best choice on a defensive weapon.
C4
two BCM Gunfighter Mod3, one Mod4
Same here..
Larger latch on the SHTF/Home defence carbine and smaller one waiting to go onto the SPR in the works. Will see which one I like more.
So far I love the Mod3 BCM Gunfighter a lot.
My index finger disagrees with you...not really a bite but it did get pinched a few times during a class by my BCM Mod 4. I can't reliably reproduce the pinch, but it happened. Overall though I'm pleased with the product.
How do you like the new PRI latch compared to the BCM?
Soooo, I came across this thread in an effort to ascertain which Mod X might be right for me....
ARE YOU SERIOUS!!? You got pinched by your charging handle in a class and that's an issue worth posting about? :suicide: Did it result in some type of major hemorrhaging or something dude?
I can only imagine what LAV would make of someone's charging handle 'owie' in one of his classes. Sounds like something you'd get a tube of vagisil for :)
I think if you are at the point where getting 'pinched' by a CH is a real concern maybe its time to take up a safer hobby....like checkers maybe?
ROFL.
AustinWolv
03-03-11, 07:23
BCM Mod4 on all mine.
variablebinary
03-03-11, 07:26
Stock Colt charging handle
Soooo, I came across this thread in an effort to ascertain which Mod X might be right for me....
ARE YOU SERIOUS!!? You got pinched by your charging handle in a class and that's an issue worth posting about? :suicide: Did it result in some type of major hemorrhaging or something dude?
I can only imagine what LAV would make of someone's charging handle 'owie' in one of his classes. Sounds like something you'd get a tube of vagisil for :)
I think if you are at the point where getting 'pinched' by a CH is a real concern maybe its time to take up a safer hobby....like checkers maybe?
ROFL.
You dredged up a year-old thread just to antagonize someone and troll for a fight? :confused:
arizonaranchman
03-03-11, 08:14
BCM #5 GF on my guns. I like the improved strength of the GF designed CH but don't need an oversized latch.
You dredged up a year-old thread just to antagonize someone and troll for a fight? :confused:
+1, exactly. JLM, there is no need to put someone down, and fantasize about what an instructor might think of someone else. What is it to you? Maybe you need a new hobby.:) Besides, Paul has made a change to the new production gunfighter latches, to address the pinching.
Sierrahotel83
03-03-11, 09:05
Gunfighter Mod 4
BCM model 4, only the best baby.
Soooo, I came across this thread in an effort to ascertain which Mod X might be right for me....
ARE YOU SERIOUS!!? You got pinched by your charging handle in a class and that's an issue worth posting about? :suicide: Did it result in some type of major hemorrhaging or something dude?
I can only imagine what LAV would make of someone's charging handle 'owie' in one of his classes. Sounds like something you'd get a tube of vagisil for :)
I think if you are at the point where getting 'pinched' by a CH is a real concern maybe its time to take up a safer hobby....like checkers maybe?
ROFL.
Are you having a bad day or something? Him posting about an issue he had with his charging handle is far more relevant to this board than the juvenile crap you've posted here. He also made none of the hyperbolic claims you've stated.
And to keep this necro-thread on topic a little, I use the BCM Gunfighter Mod 4. I had the chance to try out all three on friends' rifles, and the medium seems to be the best compromise (for me) of purchase and relative compactness.
I've been running a LMT Tactical Latch.
TriumphRat675
03-03-11, 09:27
Soooo, I came across this thread in an effort to ascertain which Mod X might be right for me....
ARE YOU SERIOUS!!? You got pinched by your charging handle in a class and that's an issue worth posting about? :suicide: Did it result in some type of major hemorrhaging or something dude?
I can only imagine what LAV would make of someone's charging handle 'owie' in one of his classes. Sounds like something you'd get a tube of vagisil for :)
I think if you are at the point where getting 'pinched' by a CH is a real concern maybe its time to take up a safer hobby....like checkers maybe?
ROFL.
The topic of my post was germane to previous posts. The "pinch" was a minor annoyance, not a tragic injury. The "overall I'm happy with the product" part of my post should have made that clear. Reading comprehension is your friend.
Back on topic, I put a Mod 5 on another AR and after using both, I think I prefer the Mod 4's slightly larger latch, in spite of my pinch-caused vaginitis.
christcorp
03-03-11, 10:58
Considering I use the charging handle about 1% of all shooting. (Chamber that 1st round); it's not that important to me. I save my money and use the stock charging handles that have come with my AR's. It's not like I'm using the charging handle every few rounds. But that's just me.
BCM Mod 3 on all my work guns
I use the standard charging handle without any issues :confused:
Perhaps I should give the BCM charging handles a try and see if I prefer them.
christcorp
03-03-11, 11:51
If someone was to list the advantages of getting an aftermarket Charging Handle compared to the original, i'd be really interested. I'm open to "improvements"; but at $45+/- for a part that is rarely used, I'd like to know the advantages. I'm a lefty; but I've lived in the "Right Handed" world for 50 years, and have been shooting AR15/M16 for the last 30 years. Charging the round using the stock charging handle is just 2nd nature to me. But I'd be interested in knowing any advantages to some other charging handles.
I'll tackle a couple of points, and you can take or leave them as you like.
First there is the issue of charging handle design. The legacy CH is designed to be used the way you see in the movies: rabbit ear your booger-picker and social fingers on either side, pull straight to the rear. With a more modern technique of pulling with only the left hand (for a right-handed shooter) there is lateral pressure being applied, along with less surface area for the hand to contact. This means in increase in friction, which means an increase in the amount of force required to retract the CH, along with a reduction in the area along which to apply that force. Add in wet conditions and the friction between hand and latch required to retract the charging handle is further reduced.
This added force, and lateral force, can also lead to fatigue in the metal and can cause failure at the tip (muzzle end) as well as bending (along the length) and failure at the T-end (stock end). These failures, at best, make operating the charging handle difficult and, at worst, can cause a complete lockup of the action.
In conjunction with this, the latch of the AR platform charging handle is not designed for this kind of use. With the sand cut in the back of the handle, the latch pivot point will shift from the roll pin to the body of the latch, putting shear stress on the roll pin. This can lead to the roll pin actually shearing in half and the latch becoming fully separated from the handle. While typically not a catastrophic failure it is certainly less than ideal to lose one's locking latch.
The BCM Gunfighter, alone IMHO, addresses all of these issues.
First, the increased latch size means more surface area upon which to exert the force. There are other solutions that address this issue but in turn create issues of their own, not the least of which is increasing the likelihood of #3 above. Longer lever = more force = more stress. The rear of the charging handle itself removes the sand cut on the BCM GF, and adds sand cuts to the latch while providing a bearing surface to stop rearward travel prior to the pin being placed in a shear condition. No shear force to pin = no sheared pin.
Second, the body of the charging handle appears to be more robust. I will try to take measurements to substantiate this claim and if it is not I will eat my words, but at the very least it is less flexible. This is evidenced by the reduced force required to pull the CH to the rear, in spite of an identical finish as the stock part which always bends at least slightly increasing friction and required force. Less bending also means less likelihood of breakage at the failure points mentioned above.
From my own experience I can relay that I have been in conditions where we went from shooting in the dry to shooting in the rain. I started out using a carbine with a PRI extended latch mounted in a stock Colt charging handle. Once the rain started I had trouble manipulating the charging handle. No amount of adding lube to the CH shaft was helping. I changed it out to a BCM GF, and the issue was GREATLY reduced if not eliminated entirely.
Finally, I'll point out that all shooting situations are different. In a training environment you may be clearing out the gun many times in the course of a day, thus requiring the manipulation of the charging handle. Malfunction clearance, typically considered a crisis condition, requires the manipulation of the charging handle, and more positive manipulation should be considered a good thing. Additionally, some instructors teach to run the CH on an emergency reload, and some even on a tac-load, again increasing the frequency, as well as potentially the urgency, of that manipulation.
If your application is bench firing to bolt-hold-open, insert fresh magazine, repeat, then no an aftermarket CH probably won't be of much use. If your question is "I'm a lefty and don't use the CH the same way righties do" then I'd say the question is a non-starter and akin to asking "those mud tires look great, but why would I want them on my Corvette?" ;)
walter34payton2002
03-03-11, 13:04
I'll add....I really like the BCM large latch CH. The large latch makes it so I won't slip or miss the latch due to MBUS backup iron right above it on the rail. The only downside is that when I have the sling tight and gun across body, the CH latch is so big it pokes into me a bit. No big deal and I am very happy with it.
christcorp
03-03-11, 13:14
Thanks for the info Rob. I do appreciate it. Something to mull over for sure. I am a lefty; and have always charged with my trigger hand (Left). Don't see my self switching to my non-shooting hand. Sort of like how they change the way we learn/teach CPR training. Every year there's a different way. Doesn't mean the "Old ways" won't work. Just that "They"; whoever the "THEY" are, think they have a better way. But the old way still works. For me, I'll continue charging with my left hand (My shooting hand).
I also don't see myself in a training environment. 21 years was enough training for me. I stick with practicing and having fun. But I do like the supposed sturdier build. While I may never have had an issues with OEM charging handles, I do like some things that are built simply better. So, for that reason alone, it might be worth looking into it.
I think you're correct. Being I'm not into competition and have no need for carbine/tactical classes, plus the fact that I'm a lefty, and will continue charging with my left hand; an OEM charging handle probably will remain fine. But I will definitely research the "Better quality build" of some of these after market charging handles. Especially the BCM. Thanks for the info.
Rob_S has got it down perfectly. I'm using a BCM Gunfighter Mod 5, which is the one with the smaller latch. I used to have a Badger Ordinance large tactical latch, but with the rifle slung across my chest with regular clothing, it dug into my chest hard. I sold it, and went back to the factory latch until I obtained the BCM.
It strikes me that if you're charging with your left (shooting, in your case) hand then you're actually charging in a way very similar to those of us without the curse. It's lefties that use their right hand and still bunny-ear or who have gone to an ambi handle that don't get much benefit from the GF other than the added rigidity.
Many of us who have spent a quantity of time around a variety of AR makes and models have seen all manner of CH failures. They're more common than most people think. One of the problems is few people really run their guns hard, so if you go somewhere like TOS you'll get hundreds of "Mine has never failed!" posts only to find out that they only have 200 rounds on the gun to begin with.
I'll try to dig up the picture I have of the Colt CH next to the DPMS version. It's... enlightening.
christcorp
03-03-11, 13:51
It strikes me that if you're charging with your left (shooting, in your case) hand then you're actually charging in a way very similar to those of us without the curse. It's lefties that use their right hand and still bunny-ear or who have gone to an ambi handle that don't get much benefit from the GF other than the added rigidity.
Many of us who have spent a quantity of time around a variety of AR makes and models have seen all manner of CH failures. They're more common than most people think. One of the problems is few people really run their guns hard, so if you go somewhere like TOS you'll get hundreds of "Mine has never failed!" posts only to find out that they only have 200 rounds on the gun to begin with.
I'll try to dig up the picture I have of the Colt CH next to the DPMS version. It's... enlightening.
Remember; a lefty may be using the left hand (Shooting), which is the same hand as a righty using their left (Non-shooting) hand; but for the lefty, the rifle is against their left shoulder and not their right shoulder. Basically, I'm charging exactly the same way as a righty would using their trigger hand. I just don't buy off on changing my charging hand to be my Non-Shooting hand. Just because some person decided that it was somehow better to keep your trigger hand/finger in place and use the opposite hand, doesn't mean I buy it. (I don't). Then again; I believe a person and their rifle are a personal relationship. There are very few finite right/wrong ways to hold/shoot the rifle. It it works a certain way for a person; and they are quick and accurate, then who is anyone else to say they are doing it incorrectly.
I charge with my shooting hand. I rabbit ear it. I use my middle finger to grip the charging handle release. But I am still interested in a new charging handle, if it's more sturdy; better material; easier to grip; etc... But I'll still use my shooting hand to charge the rifle.
I use a BCM Gunfighter MOD4 and I love it, its a must have for weapons manipulation.
DaBears_85
03-04-11, 00:00
I run the first-generation Badger Ordnance ambi-charging handle. Though I plan on acquiring the second-gen (http://www.triadtactical.com/Badger-Ambidestrous-Charging-Handle.html) for some personal T&E in the not too distant future.
Pay no attention to the un-staked castle nut, I'm working on it.
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad97/DaBears8586/6b143fa4.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad97/DaBears8586/ba6fb824.jpg
http://i925.photobucket.com/albums/ad97/DaBears8586/c9c36a10.jpg
Overall, I've been fairly impressed with the quality of the Badger Ordnance products that I've come across thus far (which are their scope rings and charging handles).
J
Mr. Goodtimes
03-04-11, 10:08
I bought a BCM/VLTOR Gunfighter with the medium latch and love it, I'll never use another charging handle again.
xbmxracerx
03-04-11, 12:15
Mod 4
http://i17.photobucket.com/albums/b66/emufreak1/IMG01549-20101011-2249.jpg
Thanks, rob, for that cogent reply.
I saw this thread, and wondered for not the first time "WHY use an aftermarket CH?". Now I know!
ColdDeadHands
03-04-11, 18:42
BCM Mod4
rescueswimmer
03-04-11, 19:20
With an optic I run a large BCM with an eotech or aimpoint I run a medium BCH
ztf HITMAN
03-04-11, 19:22
BCM GF MOD 4...Love it.
I pinched my finger on a door-knob today.
:fie:
yet another using the BCM GF Mod 4.
kubmiester
03-04-11, 19:53
And another using the BCM Gunfighter Mod5
BCM Gunfighter Mod 4. It made it much easier for me to charge my SPR with 3-9x optic. I ordered another GF4 with my 14.5 middy today.
Rattlehead
03-04-11, 20:19
A couple of PRI Gas busters..one has the 'Combat latch'.
I also use the BCM Mod 4 CH.
Whiskey_Bravo
03-04-11, 22:59
BCM Gunfighter Mod 4
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