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Razorhunter
05-06-07, 16:33
Anyone got any pics of the new LWRC 7.62 rifle, which they have named the "SABR"?????
I have a HELL of a hard time reading the LWRC website. The text on their site absolutely sucks and is hard as hell to read.
I was just on their site a few days ago, and I would have thought they would have instantly changed their website, the second they saw how hard (impossible) it is to read the text.
Anyhow, I hope they plan on fixing it, and I guess it isn't AS important as working on rifles, however, I must get some info and read up on all their offerings, before I can make a purchase.
I'd love to see their 7.62 gas piston rifle, so I can decide on my next purchase..
Can anyone help? Anyone know if there is a way to get their website adjusted to where I can read the text? I mean, is it strictly on their end, OR is there something I could possibly do to adjust my font size or something, to make the website readable???
Thanks guys.
Any pics or info would be GREATLY appreciate on this rifle, such as bbl length, rail/forend type? (is it even possible to mount my own rail/forend, or is it an integral rail????), cost, AVAILABILITY, and also pics, pics, pics!!
So LW doesn't have pics up on their website? I wouldn't think anyone else would have them then...
Razorhunter
05-06-07, 17:17
I did not see anything regarding this 7.62 SABR on their website.
But then, their site is impossible to read, and there COULD have been some text info, with a link, but I doubt it.
I bet it's too new.
I figured there had to be SOMEONE who's got the low down on this rifle, and a pic. As with most of the latest and greatest products coming out these days, there is usually someone who's got a sneak peak and a pic or two on hand to post on the net, for all of us to see...
They posted some pics before prior to it being tested at Blackwater. The one pictured had a 20" bbl, 12" ARM-R rail. They also mentioned about an adjustable gas set-up or something to that effect.
Or better yet here's LWRC's discussion board with the pics: http://www.lwrifles.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=6&postdays=0&postorder=asc&start=45
I have a HELL of a hard time reading the LWRC website. The text on their site absolutely sucks and is hard as hell to read.
I was just on their site a few days ago, and I would have thought they would have instantly changed their website, the second they saw how hard (impossible) it is to read the text.
You have a hard time reading the text on the LW forum? :confused:
Isn't it just a black back ground with white text? Can't get much simpler or easier to read than that.
Since there are probably less than ten .308 LW rifles in the world I suggest you ask these questions on their forum. That would be the logical place to get any answers. I would bet good money none of us has ever seen one. Who knows it might just be another MRS.
Razorhunter
05-07-07, 06:32
I registered with their forum last night.
Have you been to their site lately? Doesn't really matter what color the text/background is, because the text is SO SMALL, you can't read it..
Check it out and tell me if it's just some type of adjustment on MY computer, or if it's their website. I sure as hell can read every other website I frequent...
I interpret their ugly website as an indicator they must make terrific rifles.
Most browsers have the ability to increase the font size. In Internet Explorer, use menu option View | Text Size | Largest. A quicker way is to hold down the Ctrl key and use your mouse wheel (works in lots of applications).
Play with the user options in the control panel. I found a combination that is compatible with my eyes.
ctrl+ will enlarge the text on any site. I use it on this one.
I shot the 7.62 about 3 weeks ago--shot great! The one they brought had a HEAVY match barrel which made the gun quite heavy. I will shooting it again this week along with the rest of their line-up.
Precision match barrels will be offered in 12- and 16-inch lengths with a carbine length piston gas system, as well as a 20-inch design served by a rifle length gas piston system. The bolt carrier is plated with nickel Teflon and a dry film lubricant plates the interior of the lower receiver.
I dont have a release date yet.
I shot the 7.62 about 3 weeks ago--shot great! The one they brought had a HEAVY match barrel which made the gun quite heavy. I will shooting it again this week along with the rest of their line-up.
Precision match barrels will be offered in 12- and 16-inch lengths with a carbine length piston gas system, as well as a 20-inch design served by a rifle length gas piston system. The bolt carrier is plated with nickel Teflon and a dry film lubricant plates the interior of the lower receiver.
I dont have a release date yet.
Are you their publicist?
While I eagerly await any new firearm - the LWRC vaporware just never seems to reach the big time as far as a production goes.
I wish the best for Jesse and Darren - but we need rifles before we can buy them...
From the LWRC Forum:
http://lwrifles.com/images/308/308side.jpg
Stephen, that's a DPMS based upper - is it a DPMS lower also?
Stephen, that's a DPMS based upper - is it a DPMS lower also?
All I know is that the lower takes SR25 mags. I'm not much of a 7.62 guy except in bolt guns.
Stephen
IIRC - it is a DPMS based platform.
as an aside I think POF is doing theirs off the same.
Here is a picture of the 12" SABR from an upcoming episode of 'Future Weapons.'
http://www.lwrifles.com/images/futureweapons/fw20.jpg
Comments by Jesse about this rifle:
"That is one of our 12.5" tech demonstrator/test mules of our 7.62 NATO S.A.B.R (Sniper-Assaulter-Battle Rifle) line. The production upper and lower will be slightly different from the pictured unit. The SABR line will feature our Short Stroke piston op system, a proprietary FF rail which maintains the same sight plane height as the upper receiver, UBR stock (when available), extended feed ramps and original AR10 pattern mags (i.e. SR25, DPMS). We are aiming at late summer early fall for its release. The 12.5" barrel makes for a fairly compact rifle. It is about 1.75" shorter than a 14.5" M4 with a CTR stock."
Razorhunter
05-30-07, 06:56
Does this mean that ALL the 7.62 LWRC rifles will not be available until then, or will the longer bbl 7.62 rifle be available ahead of this one????
Thanks.
Below are some photos of the LWRC SABR with side mounted charging handle. Traditional rear mounted handles will be available as well. The side mounted handle acts as a forward assist, while the models with rear mounted handles will have the traditional side mounted assist.
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR1.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR13.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR12.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR14.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR11.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR2.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR6.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR7.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR8.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR3.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR4.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR5.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR10.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR9.jpg
What most people don't realize is that this is NOT a DPMS based weapon as most of the upper and lower components are proprietary. This gun is built like a bolt gun from the breech face forward. The piston system is set up just so to the point that it doesn't negatively effect the harmonics of the barrel in any way. Combine that with a cold hammer forged barrel with a 30,000 to 35,000 round service life and an EXTREMELY hard, durable, and wear resistant interior and exterior coating, and I'd say you've got a winner. There's also a 3 position gas regulator available that will allow for suppressed and unsuppressed fire. The third mode is what I find most extraordinary. You can turn the regulator to the OFF setting and operate the weapon like a bolt gun. This was requested by a foreign military end user who didn't want anyone to see brass flying. Quite an innovative feature IMHO. Designed, engineered, and manufactured right here in the US. Last but not least, like the rest of LWRC's stuff, unless something's changed it should come with a lifetime warranty. There's plenty of info on these guns over on the LWRC forums.
Tspeis
Brass flying? Come on...does that show up on IR or something?
Brass flying? Come on...does that show up on IR or something?
It's actually a dead giveaway to a sniper position if the sun, moon or other light glints off the brass.
The human eye is extremely sensitive to movement, and light glinting off off brass is perceived fairly easily if looking in that general direction -- even in peripheral vision.
It's actually a dead giveaway to a sniper position if the sun, moon or other light glints off the brass.
The human eye is extremely sensitive to movement, and light glinting off off brass is perceived fairly easily if looking in that general direction -- even in peripheral vision.
Correct. Just to add to that, the human eye can see moving light three times faster than it can stationary/solid light. So I think it's pretty safe to assume that a .308 casing flying would probably grab your attention.
On another note, did I mention the SABR has over the beach mods? :D The more I read about this gun, the more impressed I am by what these guys are rolling off the assembly line!
Tspeis
It's actually a dead giveaway to a sniper position if the sun, moon or other light glints off the brass.
The human eye is extremely sensitive to movement, and light glinting off off brass is perceived fairly easily if looking in that general direction -- even in peripheral vision.
In addition, even "sterile" brass can be an indicator of who was there (at the shooter's poition).
kletzenklueffer
01-25-08, 05:16
I like the FAL charging handle. With the side charging, that's gonna keep a lot of gas out of the shooter face when suppressed. I've had two AR10T's suppressed. The first needed a Gasbuster to be comfortable. The second was o.k., but still put a bit of gas in your face through the CH area. I'd like to put one of these rifles through the paces at long range. My AR10's were lasers. I wonder how the gas piston design performs out past 500 yards.
While useful, I would hardly call a gas-shut off feature 'innovative' :rolleyes:
M14, FN-FAL, MAS 49/56 all have them as standard.......
Littlelebowski
02-01-08, 09:19
Please tell me LWRC didn't make those captions for those pics. "Sniper Assaulter?" Good lord....
Rmplstlskn
02-01-08, 09:48
http://www.lwrifles.com/sabrr/SABR1.jpg
I like it!!!!
I'd sell my SA58 FAL in a heartbeat if these prove to be reliable and robust...
But I think a COMPACT ACOG is the wrong choice (watch that eye with 7.62 recoil)... a TA-11 would be perfect.
Rmpl
Please tell me LWRC didn't make those captions for those pics. "Sniper Assaulter?" Good lord....
They did. However, Sniper Assaulter is part of what SABR stands for. Snipier Assaulter Battle Rifle. To make a long story short, it's basically a system with two uppers and one lower. One 12" upper and one "20 upper. The idea was for the operator to be able to deploy an assaulter carbine with the 20" upper in a pack on his back. When mission dictates, he can simply swap uppers and go from an assaulter role to a sniper role.
Tspeis
http://i78.photobucket.com/albums/j97/Toolbox-X/SHOT%20Show%202008/IMG_1355.jpg
http://www.lwrifles.com/images/futureweapons/bbl.jpg
Here's the barrel nut/rail mount setup with the 3 position gas regulator on a 20" SABR.
Tspeis
Some specs on the gun. Keep in mind these could change and there are still more specs to be released.
- Method of operation: Short stroke piston operated, 3 position gas regulator with on/off/suppressed settings
- Weight: 8.5lbs for the 12.5" model, 12.6lbs for the 20" model, 16" model TBA
- Receiver: Billet with a switch to forged receivers later in the year, side charging handle, standard rear charging handle optional
- Chamber: 7.62x51mm NATO
- Barrel: 12.5", 16.1", and 20" lengths, cold hammer forged, electropolished, honed and salt bath nitrocarburized inside and out, polygonal rifling, 1/10 twist, 1/11 twist optional
- Magazine: SR25/DPMS pattern mags
- Warranty: Limited Lifetime
- Price: To be announced
Few things on the gun. The barrel nut/rail mount is made of steel and locks and sets the same way a Savage barrel is mounted to the receiver. The 20" sniper barrel is a Remington 700P profile. All steel parts are nitrocarburized for OTB operation. Nitrocarburizing parts makes them longer wearing, more lubricious, and more corrosion resistant than hard chrome. The upper and lower receivers are proprietary with the lower allowing for just about any AR15 trigger group to drop in. Service life on the barrels is still in the air but my guess from what I've been told is somewhere in the area of 30,000 rounds. The SABR will have a full auto bolt carrier included and can be run the way it is on a standard USGI trigger group. LWRC says they could also incorporate their open bolt auto feature into the lower for end users who are interested. I'll post more details as they're released.
Tspeis
LWRC has been bought out by MATECH the rear sight company?
They have had some sort of merger with Matech, who has a ridiculously enormous production capacity. The (marginal) BUIS is about the smallest part of Matech's portfolio for the DOD. They supply a ton of random stuff such as armor, sights, vehicle parts, crap for fighter jets, etc.
I guess that has potential for churning out good guns faster. I'm just glad it's supposed to maintain it's accuracy if you fire it more than 4 times a minute. My Sr-25s shot groups open up like a hooker's legs at Mardi Gras when it gets the least bit warm.
LWRC has been bought out by MATECH the rear sight company?
As I understand it, the controlling interests of LWRC were purchased by Matech. As M4Guru mentioned, the USGI BUIS is a very, very small part of Matech's business and I agree with his assessment that the merger/partnership will greatly improve LWRCs ability to produce guns/uppers to their typical high standard in a timely manner as they go through this period of growth. Read more about them here http://www.matech.net/
Stephen
As I understand it, the controlling interests of LWRC were purchased by Matech. As M4Guru mentioned, the USGI BUIS is a very, very small part of Matech's business and I agree with his assessment that it will greatly improve LWRCs ability to produce guns/uppers to their typical high standard in a timely manner as they go through this period of growth. Read more about them here http://www.matech.net/
Stephen
Not to mention LWRC's production will be ISO 9001-2000 certified in the future because of this.
I guess that has potential for churning out good guns faster. I'm just glad it's supposed to maintain it's accuracy if you fire it more than 4 times a minute. My Sr-25s shot groups open up like a hooker's legs at Mardi Gras when it gets the least bit warm.
At one of their mil demos, they ran 700 rounds suppressed through the SABR and it still held sub-MOA. They said the gun could have continued for function for thousands of rounds but the snow, sleet, and crappy weather made them wrap things up early.
Tspeis
Not to mention LWRC's production will be ISO 9001-2000 certified in the future because of this.
At one of their mil demos, they ran 700 rounds suppressed through the SABR and it still held sub-MOA. They said the gun could have continued for function for thousands of rounds but the snow, sleet, and crappy weather made them wrap things up early.
Tspeis
Tspeis,
Sub-MOA at what distance? 100m? Would it be impossible for you to gather more intel as to other stats from this platform (i.e., 500-1000m distances, suppressed & unsuppressed groups at said distances, cold bore, etc.)??? Inquiring minds want to know...
can't wait to get my hands on a MDE SABR...
http://www.lwrci.com/Portals/0/Products/SABR/SaberAct2large.jpg
They are supposed to start shipping at the end of this month or the beginning of next month for those who ordered first. I can't wait to get my hands on one. I order 2 at the time of shot show.
They are supposed to start shipping at the end of this month or the beginning of next month for those who ordered first. I can't wait to get my hands on one. I order 2 at the time of shot show.
My dealer did also, but from what i am told they are now looking mid summer definitely. Did you get some better information then me, hopefully?
VooDoo6Actual
05-02-09, 07:39
I have heard prices for SABR are around $3,600.00 + / - any info or RUMINT ?
TIA
I have heard prices for SABR are around $3,600.00 + / - any info or RUMINT ?
TIA
Retail:
18" and 20" $3195
12.7" & 16"- $2875
My deposit is on a 12.7" with a 20" or 18" upper to come.
Retail:
18" and 20" $3195
12.7" & 16"- $2875
My deposit is on a 12.7" with a 20" or 18" upper to come.
Knesek and NW Tactical are both quoting under $3k for the 18" and 20" guns now.
VooDoo6Actual
05-02-09, 10:47
CHECK.
Thanks.
Knesek and NW Tactical are both quoting under $3k for the 18" and 20" guns now.
Good point. If I was not getting the 12.7 I would have gone through Matt and Marcy at Northwest, just because I have done business with them before. Good people.
So LW doesn't have pics up on their website? I wouldn't think anyone else would have them then...
LW has his own website, found here...http://www.leitner-wise.com/
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