View Full Version : This is a friend of mine from the Marine Corps
dookie1481
04-25-10, 11:41
http://www.ocregister.com/articles/orban-243438-police-report.html
Not even sure what to say. He seemed like one of the nicest, most genuine people I ever met. He didn't seem like a person even capable of these things.
Jay
WEIRD.
thats about all i can say about it. was he ****in high or something? just being shit-faced drunk usually isn't enough to make someone go totally insane
dookie1481
04-25-10, 11:54
WEIRD.
thats about all i can say about it. was he ****in high or something? just being shit-faced drunk usually isn't enough to make someone go totally insane
I've had some drunken episodes in my life, but nothing like that. I think you are right, it seems like drugs may have been involved.
Jay
SW-Shooter
04-25-10, 11:55
Sorry, I wouldn't claim that douchebag as anything. They are worst than gang banging scum bag ghetto rapists. They had the communities trust, and they rape and torture someone for fun. They should be put down like dogs.
Wow I can’t believe it. They still carry service revolvers.
Sometimes people just snap for no reason. Was he in Iraq or A-stan? Maybe some PTS going on?
Wow I can’t believe it. They still carry service revolvers.
Sometimes people just snap for no reason. Was he in Iraq or A-stan? Maybe some PTS going on?
PTSD doesn't make you commit rape. Please, don't go there...
Robb Jensen
04-25-10, 12:12
I've had some drunken episodes in my life, but nothing like that. I think you are right, it seems like drugs may have been involved.
Jay
I agree mental illness or drugs.....so much for that 'victimless crime' bullcrap.
RogerinTPA
04-25-10, 12:19
I agree mental illness or drugs.....so much for that 'victimless crime' bullcrap.
Agreed. Mental illness (sociopath) and or drugs.
dookie1481
04-25-10, 12:21
I agree mental illness or drugs.....so much for that 'victimless crime' bullcrap.
Please take that to another thread.
Jay
VooDoo6Actual
04-25-10, 12:26
disgusting and NO excuse imo.
I am really sorry man. You gotta be feeling a little betrayed too.
On a side note, I always hate it when the media prints stuff like:
According to the account in the Daily Bulletin, Orban, a former Marine and Iraq War veteran, showed . . . It always feels like they are trying to make a statement or imply that service to the country is somehow the cause.
Wow, that's really messed up. Some people just go off their rocker. Like Chris Rock said, "What ever happened to just crazy?" Sorry it had to happen to your buddy.
Sadly I read about many cases similar to this every day through out the country. I am not trying to be offensive to anyone when I say this but I feel that illegal activities are on the rise within the ranks of the police, or maybe I just started reading too much. I think that many departments have been infiltrated by the bad guys and they are taking advantage of their position of authority. I do not mean to paint the vast majority of good cops, which most are, with the same brush but it is something I've noticed when conducting my "research" into shootings on a daily basis, I do not post these articles on M4C because I don't feel it serves any legitimate purpose.
This is gonna cause a shitstorm and is not my intention but... My opinion is that we also need to reevaluate our LEO hiring procedures when it comes to war veterans and ex-military personnel. The military and civilian law enforcement have two vastly different missions and the mentality of the one tends to get dragged over to the other.
Obviously there are thousands of great officers who are prior military and this does not reflect on them. However, current duty police officers who get called up with their reserve unit to go to Iraq or Afghanistan for a year to kick ass for our country come back to a job where they interact with the American public and there is some carry over. There are several notable cases recently where prior military LEOs have had PTSD incidents in the line of duty and outside of work and I think there should be a reassessment of one's eligibility for a career in the civilian police after serving in the military, especially a combat zone.
This isn't intended to be anti-veteran, I am one, or anti-police, it is merely an observation after doing lots of research and being a concerned citizen.
This is gonna cause a shitstorm and is not my intention but... My opinion is that we also need to reevaluate our LEO hiring procedures when it comes to war veterans and ex-military personnel. The military and civilian law enforcement have two vastly different missions and the mentality of the one tends to get dragged over to the other.
as a vet, i fully agree with this. military service is something we should be very proud of, but there are a multitude of reasons why soldiers and marines shouldn't be given so much preference in the hiring process.
This kind of thing happens far more than anyone realizes, and I'm no longer surprised by it.
A good, hard, honest look at him will almost certainly reveal of number of problems in his life. Subtle and obvious cues should have indicated problems were on the horizon. Good folks don't just snap.
I'll bet an alcohol problem is at or near the top of the list.
as a vet, i fully agree with this. military service is something we should be very proud of, but there are a multitude of reasons why soldiers and marines shouldn't be given so much preference in the hiring process.
Once upon a time I was looking into an LE career and actually assumed that not having a military background would work against me, but several departments and agencies said they preferred it in some cases. it's been a long time and I don't remember which ones though.
Based on what I've seen around where I work, I've come to the conclusion that military preference for civil service jobs exists for 2 equal reasons: As an important reward for your service to our country AND because while you were overseas fighting or training the other guy you are competing with for the job went to college and has had a few jobs and built an employment history, finished college or whatever. As far as police work goes, anyway, it is not because soldiers make better cops. Some can't make it through the police academy and field training in a ratio about equal to those who never served in the military.
PTSD does not turn someone into a ****ing criminal.
If veterans are so ****ing dangerous, why don't we just evaluate them as they come back and euthanize the ones that act weird? I mean, service in a combat zone has turned them into hardened killers, hasn't it?
I will bet you a dollar, that 20 years from now, when all the "dangerous vet" hysteria has simmered down, we will find out that the actual rate of former combat veteran misbehavior and mental problems is LESS than their non-combat veteran peers.
Just like every other conflict era in the modern era.
This hysteria about combat vets happened after the Civil War, WWI, WWII, and Viet Nam. And it has never actually been proven to have basis in fact.
PTSD does not turn someone into a ****ing criminal.
If veterans are so ****ing dangerous, why don't we just evaluate them as they come back and euthanize the ones that act weird? I mean, service in a combat zone has turned them into hardened killers, hasn't it?
I will bet you a dollar, that 20 years from now, when all the "dangerous vet" hysteria has simmered down, we will find out that the actual rate of former combat veteran misbehavior and mental problems is LESS than their non-combat veteran peers.
Just like every other conflict era in the modern era.
This hysteria about combat vets happened after the Civil War, WWI, WWII, and Viet Nam. And it has never actually been proven to have basis in fact.
Do you have any resources where we can learn more about this? Are there studies that show the misconception not to be true.
I'm inclined to agree with you. From what I can see based on my interaction with vets, combat or otherwise, they are a cross-section of the rest of society.
Do you have any resources where we can learn more about this? Are there studies that show the misconception not to be true.
I'm inclined to agree with you. From what I can see based on my interaction with vets, combat or otherwise, they are a cross-section of the rest of society.
I have nothing at hand, but I seem to remember the book "Stolen Valor" has a good bibliography on modern studies on this.
Post-WWII, the guy who did the "Up Front" cartoon series got interested in the "killer veteran" hysteria of their time, and did some good research. The name of this dude escapes me at this time.
Ditto irishluck
AND my own thoughts are
their are bad apples in every bunch !!!
sadly I feel in general civilization as we know it is slipping a bit ?
their is less care about others and more about one selves these days then ever before I feel
was chatting with my dad about his Korea experience and he said it made him sick how some of his fellow airforce officers would buy these girls for $40 or so a month and keep them in a house for sex when they had families back home !
kinda shows throughout history their has been bad people that dont care about others
its just now with so many people on the earth the odds are they will get into more positions that we should be able to trust
when the town had a sheriff and a few deputies things were easier than with thousands of people on a force and when they are trying to get people more will slip through the cracks
I feel the same about these judges who let child molesters off on easy or no sentencing ! I really really feel they are sickos to and dont feel like hurting their fellow pedophile friends
I say throw him in prison in gen pop and let the others know who he is and let him go that way he deserves it !!!!
this is also why sadly these days I do not trust to many people anymore and will never trust them with my children its just not worth it ?
bubabootie
04-25-10, 16:45
its never the ones you'd suspect.
I had a friend who came to iraq and got hurt (by an accident) and went home early. Then he got a job for the VA back home, and downloaded kiddie porn on his work computer. Yeah he's going to prison for 5 years. Never thought that'd happen.
dookie1481
04-25-10, 18:43
its never the ones you'd suspect.
I had a friend who came to iraq and got hurt (by an accident) and went home early. Then he got a job for the VA back home, and downloaded kiddie porn on his work computer. Yeah he's going to prison for 5 years. Never thought that'd happen.
Yeah I had another buddy in my unit who is doing time for making meth. He was an older guy, 35 or so (that's old for an infantryman), with a family and two kids. He apparently was running meth up in Idaho. Last guy I would have thought would do that.
Jay
Save the court cost, a bullet is cheaper. And I say let the victim do it if she's up to it..
Once upon a time I was looking into an LE career and actually assumed that not having a military background would work against me, but several departments and agencies said they preferred it in some cases. it's been a long time and I don't remember which ones though.
You'll find agencies that prefer applicants with military service, and agencies that want to avoid them. There are some that may ecven prefer or be averse to particular branches of service. I think most are somewhere in the middle, evaluating applicants on their individual merits.
This can be found in a number of professions, too.
I contemplate an applicant's military service in the same way as anything else they may have done. What they do, specifically? How well did they do it? Did they show skill/career progression? Did they distinguish themselves in some way? How does what they did, and how they did it, benefit the agency/community/mission?
In the end, I do still believe that when two applicants weigh out the same, the one that stepped up to serve should get the nod.
I may be a bit off track here so I will apologize in advance. My department along with MOST departments in my county are Civil Service. This means military preference. After you pass the written exam for police testing, you receive 10 points. If you pass the test and get awarded these points, you are then given what's called preference. This means that if you are within the top 3 candidates, they MUST hire the one with the military preference. For example, I tested for a department about 7 years ago and my friend, a Marine, took the test with me. After the written test, I scored number 3 out of about 50 applicants. He scored dead last. He was awarded points and it brought him to number 2. Along with being bumped to #2, he was also given preference and subsequently hired.
Another change in the police hiring process that I have seen in my short time as a police officer is that the physical agility requirements have really been changed. In order to be accepted into the police academy, you must now pass a rigorous agility test. This entry test is almost exactly the test that you had to pass to graduate the police academy when I was there. What this is doing is weeding out the bigger, more muscular but slower guys, like myself for thinner more wirey YOUNGER less matured kids. I was 175 pounds when I graduated the academy in 1998 and I am starting to see a lot of 130-150 pound really young rookies.
I guess what I am saying in a nutshell is that military or not, the frequency of police officers finding themselves in the papers for doing dumb sh$& is because the quality of mature officers is suffering.
A nice facade is the staple point of a good mafia operation, crappy restaurant, or tourist trap.
Grayling14
04-26-10, 03:36
There is such a thing as evil in the world.
It is due to the original sin.
CarlosDJackal
04-26-10, 12:40
After drinking all afternoon Saturday
This kinda explains it. Enough alcohol or any mind-altering substance can make people do things that are out of character.
Enough alcohol or any mind-altering substance can make people do things that are out of character.
out of character.... hah
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